Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 10/31/11
by Tim Lynch on Oct 31, 2011 8:01 AM MDT
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Field level highlights and broadcast audio from the team's 45-10 loss to Detroit.
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"Can you believe ’15’?" one Detroit Lions defender asked after his team’s 45-10 immolation of Tebow and the Denver Broncos. "Come on – that’s embarrassing. I mean, it’s a joke. We knew all week that if we brought any kind of defensive pressure, he couldn’t do anything. In the second half it got boring out there. We were like, ‘Come on – that’s your quarterback? Seriously?’ "
NFL.com news: Broncos' Fox leaves Tebow's status as starting QB in doubt
As much as this might pain you, it sure sounds like Broncos coach John Fox could be giving some serious consideration to pulling the plug on Tebow Time. In the wake of the Broncos' 45-10 home loss to the Lions on Sunday, Fox hardly gave quarterback Tim Tebow a ringing endorsement when asked who would start next week against the Raiders.
Detroit Lions dominate Denver Broncos 45-10 as QB Tim Tebow struggles - The Denver Post
Maybe, its not the worst thing that Tim Tebow endured such a humiliating afternoon. Even if the Broncos quarterback and national celebrity has been genuinely humble through the glorification he never sought, and strong amid the criticism he stiff-arms, there were signs TebowMania was spreading perilously out of control. For all the fun and yucks associated with the "Tebowing" prayer pose last week, wasnt there some concern the tribute was also tempting fate?
Lions' "force Tebow to pass" strategy works perfectly - The Denver Post
It just may be a sign of the times for the Broncos, but they kept the Detroit Lions best defensive player from showing up on the highlight reels, yet saw their offensive playbook turned into confetti by the Lions defense.
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The Lions’ defensive game plan Sunday was simple, yet devastatingly effective: to force quarterback Tim Tebow to win the game with his left arm rather than his legs.
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Head Coach John Fox talks about Denver's loss to Detroit.
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Tim Tebow wasn't on one knee in prayer this time. He was on the ground in misery. The Detroit Lions (6-2) sacked Tebow seven times and turned his two turnovers into touchdowns as they snapped a two-game skid with a 45-10 victory over the Denver Broncos.
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Tim Tebow starting under center in Denver, the improving defensive unit of the Eagles, or the 49ers moving to a 6-1 record; what was a "trick or treat" on Sunday?
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Matthew Stafford and the Lions were too much for Tim Tebow and the Broncos in a 45-10 Lions win.
Lions vs. Broncos - Recap - October 30, 2011 - NFL - Football - SI.com
Tim Tebow wasn't on one knee in prayer this time. He was on the ground in misery. The Detroit Lions (6-2) sacked Tebow seven times and turned his two turnovers into touchdowns as they snapped a two-game skid with a 45-10 victory over the Denver Broncos.
Broncos' abysmal performance exposes holes in team - The Denver Post
Many of the most staunch of the Broncos season-ticket holders, the orange-and-blue die-hards, remained in their seats until the final minute of Sundays 45-10 loss to the Lions, their arms folded and their faces scowling.
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The Broncos' 45-10 loss Sunday to Detroit was costly in terms of injuries. Two Denver starters left the game and didn't return: safety Quinton Carter (concussion) and offensive tackle Orlando Franklin (groin).
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Tim Tebows last move as he headed off from the Broncos locker room was to toss his playbook for Sundays game at a large trunk.
Krieger: Lions dominate Broncos by making Tebow "be a quarterback" - The Denver Post
Maybe Josh McDaniels got the last laugh after all, leaving the Broncos with an awesomely popular quarterback who cant throw the ball with the consistency required in the NFL.
Kiszla: Broncos need new meaning for Tim Tebowing - The Denver Post
So maybe we need a new definition for Tebowing. Its a prayer for mercy. Please, in the name of heaven, bring us somebody who can actually play quarterback.
Lions' defense sacks Tebow seven times - The Denver Post
Sure, the Detroit Lions threw everything they had Sunday at the Broncos Tim Tebow except a 12-man defense, not that they needed any extra players to overwhelm the second-year quarterback.
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After a score on their opening drive, the Broncos had no answer for the Lions en route to a Week 8 loss.
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Brian Dawkins on the loss; the team talks where to go from here; teammates and opponents respect Tim Tebow; success via the ground game.
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The Broncos found it difficult to move the ball in the team's 45-10 loss to Detroit.
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"People are probably going to be more patient with him (Tebow) than any other quarterback but everybody in this locker room knows you’ve got to win games," cornerback Champ Bailey said.
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With Halloween approaching, it was somehow appropriate that the ghosts of recent Broncos seasons continue to haunt — and taunt — the Broncos.
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It hasn’t taken long to notice that people have more to say after bad losses than thrilling wins. The reaction on Twitter the last two Sundays is evidence of that.
Lions linebacker meant no disrespect by Tebowing | National Football Post
Stephen Tulloch was one of at least two Detroit Lions players to give "Tebowing" a try on Sunday when their team routed the Denver Broncos 45-10 at Invesco Field.
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It is not John Elway’s fault the Tim Tebow experiment is failing, but it will be on his hands if he doesn’t find a solution. It is clear the Denver Broncos' quarterback of the future is not on the current roster. It must be Elway's primary job to start making plans to fix the problem in Denver.
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Some kind of catastrophic breakdown in coverage led to this first quarter touchdown by Detroit Lions wide receiver Titus Young(notes). The closest people to Young wearing Denver Broncos orange are fans. So Young decided to join them.
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Denver Post columnists Woody Paige and Mark Kiszla with post-game commentary on Tim Tebow and the Broncos’ disastrous encounter with the Detroit Lions, a 45-10 shellacking.
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"Did you see how bad Tim Tebow was for three-and-a-half quarters? He's terrible! He just got lucky in the end because he was playing the Dolphins. He'll never be good in the NFL!" I'm just generating a random Tim Tebow hate comment that Cris Carter, Keyshawn Johnson and Merril Hoge can use the next time they're on the air.
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San Diego (4-2) at Kansas City (3-3), 8:30 p.m. EDT. The Chiefs look for their fourth straight win as they face the AFC West rival Chargers with a chance to tie for the division lead.
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How to fix: The Offensive Line - Mile High Report
The Denver Broncos have plenty of need spots on both sides of the ball and the one that concerns me more is our offensive line. This unit looked crappy last season and had an awful season opener this year against the Raiders, but I was confident that it would be better and improve game-by-game.
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Many of us deserve props for sitting through what was another embarassing blowout at home. For those of you that were with me--bravo! Well it happened...Tim Tebow played a horrific game highlighted by both a fumble and a pick for TD's the other way.
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I've been in denial since that fateful day that had Tebow as a Bronco via 1st round 25th pick (at the expense of three draft picks being traded away). So allow me to express what my expectations are when I look at the quarterback position.
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As easy it may be to blame Tebow, his mistakes were not the biggest reason we lost today. Take a look at the scoreboard. This Defense just played its worst game hands down. Came out unprepared.
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Rough week for you guys
49ers fans can legitimately sympathize. The worst part is going through the emotional ups and downs. First you went down as everyone realized that Kyle Orton has Donovan McNabb syndrome: nobody plays hard for them. Then, Tebow brings new blood and everyone gets pumped after a brilliant come from behind victory. Then, the hammer falls as an elite team (the Lions) comes into your own house and takes out their own frustrations on a struggling young team.
The best thing about sports is that the worse it gets the better it will be when the tide turns. Roll with the punches and pray that Jon Fox’s run here is short lived so your team can infuse some new blood and culture into a stale franchise like the 49ers fans have seen with Jim Harbaugh.
Until then, you all have a fantastic forum here at the MHR to vent your frustrations, console one another and hope for the brighter days that are sure to come.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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by Jesse Reed on Oct 31, 2011 8:09 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
The problem is Tebowmaniacs both pro and anti coming out of the woodwork with complete irrationality.
I’d just like to evaluate Tebow for the rest of the season without having to listen to either side of the Tebowmania. Perhaps Tebowing might help me find answers…
by Tim Lynch on Oct 31, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said Tim
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Oct 31, 2011 8:44 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Praying might, I'm not sure what Tebowing will get you...............oh wait it's the same thing.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 31, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, Tebow is a controversial person
simply for his uncompromising beliefs. He will always be treated differently by the media. The expectations will always be for immediate brilliance or utter failure. They won’t allow for him to go through the normal ups and downs of a young quarterback. It sure doesn’t help that he is surrounded by sub-par talent and is getting chased half the time. No pocket for him.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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Thanks man
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
For some reason
I’m not particularly interested in reading any of the “Tracks” today.
Curious, eh?
Thanks nonetheless, Tim. These must be the mornings that it completely sucks to compile this list. I don’t envy you.
Tim Tebow has started 4 games. Why must everyone judge him as though he's a 10-year vet?
Yes. I did not enjoy the 42 clippings today. lol
The Bill Williamson article was particularly lacking in substance, but it gives those who never wanted to give Tebow a chance something to point to as the shining beacon of light.
Williamson hasn’t written anything decent* in his entire career.
*yes, I chose that word on purpose – he uses it approximately 1.5 times per sentence.
I've noticed I have a penchant for the word: However.
I’m trying to ween myself off of it, however it hasn’t been easy. ;-)
I like what you are saying here, however
it is difficult to stop using the word however.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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Not a Tebow Fan or a Broncos Fan...But i just read Silver's article on Tebow
and i felt compelled to comment here. He calls calls Tebow embarrassing and points to the lions saying Tebow isn’t an NFL QB. Yet it’s Tebow’s 5th start. Yes he played like shit, but so do a lot of other young players and they don’t get hounded like Tebow. How come i don’t see and articles calling Blaine Gabbert’s 45.7% completion rate as a starter embarrassing? or no one bother to point our his astounding 33% 2 int day in Texas? Double standards are great aren’t they?
You’re right, but that’s also only half the story. Blaine Gabbert didn’t write an autobiography at 23 years old. His jersey wasn’t one of the top selling in the NFL. He didn’t win a Heisman trophy or a national championship. He’s also not playing for one of the more popular and significant NFL franchises.
It’s fair to say he isn’t getting the same treatment, but we can’t act as if they’re at all equal in terms of mind share and interest. OF course Tim Tebow is going to get more national articles written about him than any QB of the Jaguars, let alone Blaine Gabbert.
Tebow would get a lot of coverage wherever he was… but I’m sure we’d hear more about Gabbert’s season if he were in Denver or any other franchise that people care about.
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"Tebow would get a lot of coverage wherever he was"
Thats what irritates a lot of NFL players. He hasnt earned the respect on the field so why should he get so much press time? Press time = $$ in the NFL and Tebow hasnt done anything to account for the amount of national attention he gets.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 31, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
He has never sought out the spotlight, rather the spotlight has been shoved upon him.
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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There is a difference between looking like a rookie and looking like someone who doesn’t belong on the football field
by The Licensed Pessimist on Oct 31, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you talking about DT, Orlando Franklin, Royal or Dawkins?
I was there!
by McGeorge on Oct 31, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sam Bradford after 5 starts was immensely better than Tebow is right now.
Andy Dalton after 5 starts has been better than Tebow.
Cam Newton after 5 starts is immensely better than Tebow.
You should accept the truth when you hear it.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Bradford looks like crap now after 5 starts. Even Stafford was crap in his rookie year. So was SAnchez who posted a 8 QBR vs Buffalo in his rookie year…yes a 8. So what is your point besides that some QBs can succeed in the NFL faster than other in 5 starts. Look i ain’t a broncos fan but i just think the microscope Tebow is under is stupid since he gets dissected for every mistake more than any young QB i’ve ever seen.
by lololol on Oct 31, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have people forgotten how effective those defenses were against Orton?
What team in the last 16+ bronco games has not dared the quarterback to beat them? The stack the box and high QB pressure defenses worked against Orton and he had a better running game then Tebow (MaGahee). Tebow did not play well, no doubt about it. Neither did just about anyone else which is usually the case when you get blown out.
For the record, high pressure defenses also work well against other quarterbacks. Exactly why do you think Buddy invented the 56 defense? To crush the quarterbacks who were flourishing in the west coast offenses. The bears defense made even Montana and other great quarterbacks look bad. What about the Giants version of the pressure defense, using Tayor? It looked pretty good against Elway in the super bowl. How many good quarterbacks has Blitzburgs defense made look bad?
The truth is to beat a pressure defense you need it all; a good offensive line, a good running game, good receivers and, yes, a good quarterback. How many of those pieces do the broncos have?
Who expects all those thing in the middle of a rebuild?
Who would’ve thought the Broncos would look even worse as a team on offense with Tebow at QB. Now that Tebow is the starter all of the sudden the rest of the team completely sucks…………….well welcome to reality Tebow fans.
The Broncos are a young team the o-line has the makings to be good in the future, you guys use to have a pretty good WR core, I guess Orton made them look better than they were. Anyways the team is young and rebuilding, so this is what you’ll be dealing with until they come together and more key pieces are added. Whether Tebow is the answer or not, ugly football is what you’ll be dealing with. I know because I’ve dealt with it for year as a Chiefs fan. It not easy building a team that’s equal on both sides of the ball or finding a Franchise QB. Sometimes as a fan you have to take what the team is offering and sometimes it ain’t fun or pretty to watch but it’s part of the process.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 31, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
That O-line yesterday does not have the makings to be good in the future and neither does that WR core if Royal and DT both suck.
Orton didn’t do anything for this team and Tebow hasn’t either. We’re got a pretty bad squad right now and it probably starts with the fact we’ve had a a crappy GM for three years.
I was there!
Tebow and Co need to fix those 3 and outs. That is pretty much all Denver should focus on this week with offense.
Would love to see some shorter routes, misdirection and a reverse.
Of course, I’ve been hoping Mike McCoy was a good OC since 2009 and I keep getting disappointed.
I was there!
When I look at this Bronco team, I can list just a handful of guys I see being Broncos in 2013 (two years)
Cornerstone players
Clady
Elvis
Von Miller (unless we trade up for Luck – then it’s goodbye Von)
Decker (ditto)
Likely to be Broncos
Ayers
Bailey
Unlikely to be Broncos in two years
Moreno
Royal
Bruton
Ball
McGahee
Marcus Thomas
Vickerson
Mays
DJ Williams
Fells
Larsen
Mike McCoy
Guys like Orton, Goodman & Dawkins are goners regardless.
That leaves us with the question marks:
Tebow
Franklin
DT
Irving
Bunkley
Moore
Walton
Carter
Vaughn
C Harris
J Thomas
Beadles
Squid
V Green
If most of question mark players continue to play awful like they did yesterday, that makes it very hard to be a fan because then our future is very bleak. We need a lot of young players to step up their games or this will be a very dark period for Denver and it will last for a long time. Those question mark players hold the key to our future and they lost that key yesterday.
I was there!
Good call
I disagree on these four though. I think they are more likely than not here next year..
Bruton
Ball
McGahee
Marcus Thomas
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 31, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
Missed that
Yea, I guess Ball looks good up against Moreno. I dig that Moreno trained so hard in Cross Fit this off season, but its looks like loosing bulk was a mistake. He cant move anyone.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 31, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
tebow articles keep barking up the same tree about how stupid broncos fans are and how they should’ve been more careful about wishing for tebow. what they keep conveniently leaving out is that orton sucked. this whole ‘tebow thing’ isn’t just a bunch of tebow lust gone crazy—it’s at least as much about a QB who was ineffective for two years here.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
by oxmouth on Oct 31, 2011 8:31 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You have to admit
that it is both. There is the ‘Orton sucks’ crowd, but there is also the very loud ‘Tebow is the next Elway’ crowd.
by AttwaterForHOF on Oct 31, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
there’s about 3 of those people. personally, i’ve never met anyone who is sincere in saying tebow is the next elway. i’ve seen people compare rookie games and learning curves with elway but i can’t recall anyone actually saying tebow is the next elway. i’ll trust you that those people exist, but if they do the number is ridiculously exaggerated. unfortunately, the media gets a better story by not including the crucial part of the tebow phenomena: kyle orton was grossly ineffective.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
There's a fairly large contigent...
of commentors who sincerely think (thought) Tebow was all this team needed. As Tim Lynch said, this is a bad team. When Orton was QB, he was the least of our worries and I still fully support Orton’s benching. Tebow needs to play out the season so we can see if he can get better. He MUST get better.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Oct 31, 2011 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Why we can't give into the pressure and draft a quarterback
1). We won’t get Luck. We are one win ahead of Miami and we have the tie breaker. We are two games ahead of the colts and one ahead of the rams.
2). We can’t afford to trade for Luck. It would take this years #1, next years #1 and a second rounder in one of the next three years to get the #1 pick. There are too many areas of need to waste that many good high picks
3). Even if we got a franchise quarterback, we would get him killed or beaten down. I don’t care how good Luck is, if a guy is in his face in less than 2 seconds after the ball is snapped he is screwed. We might as well let Tebow and other guys get beat up until we fix our offense problems. Otherwise we risk physical or mental injury to a franchise quarterback.
4). We have to face reality. McD took a team with serious flaws, but some play makers and got rid of all the play makers and added very little in return while simultaneously wasting a lot of high picks. People can hate Cutler all they want but no GM would trade Cutler for all our quarterbacks or all our quarterbacks and a #1 pick. Marshal was flawed but is a beast and will a real quarterback would be putting up huge numbers. Hillis should have been one back in a two back running scheme for Denver. Schefler, as we saw, should have been a nice down the field TE threat. Getting rid of all the talent would not have been bad if he would have replaced it. But, sadly, that did not happen. It would have been nice if his picks would have worked out. Bottom line, we are a muti-year building project. We need picks and we need to make those picks count.
While QB is a sexy pick, we need to build so we won’t get a franchise QB killed.
Finally what the coaches MUST do.
It is time to have a team meeting and remind the players of one very important point. Each of them is a brand. Each time they step onto that field, they bank tape of their play. Tape that will be watched to see if they return to the broncos or tape to get a job if they leave the broncos. This is the one great thing about the NFL as opposed to MLB or the NBA, you can cut players.
Hit the players where it motivates, in their wallets and personal self interest. Then you break down into position groups and have the position groups give each part of the team a simple and straight forward message. To the receivers, you tell them, no matter how bad Tebow or whoever playing quarterback looks, catch the damn ball. No pouting when you are open and it is a bad throw, make each good throw count. To the line, I don’t care how bad the QB looks, you better bust your ass blocking. To the running backs, show us something or your gone next year. I won’t belabor the points, as I am sure everyone can fill in the blanks.
Bottom line, the coaches have to get on the players and MAKE THEM accountable for their play regardless of who is playing quarterback and regardless of what they hear from the press.
“The Broncos’ 45-10 loss Sunday to Detroit was costly in terms of injuries. Two Denver starters left the game and didn’t return: safety Quinton Carter (concussion) and offensive tackle Orlando Franklin (groin).”
Ummm… Don’t those two have to play well for their loss to be costly?
I was there!
The truth McGeorge!
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Oct 31, 2011 9:00 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
I didn’t catch most of the game yesterday as I just got back from a work trip and had too many chores to do. But I am SOOOO sick of people calling for Tebow’s head already. It’s hist 5th start!
I have a question. What if we draft Luck and he has a bad 5th start? Are we going to be calling for his head too? Or what if he turns out to be the next Ryan Leaf, will we still be hero’s for drafting him?
Grant it, an ass kicking like what we got yesterday isn’t fun. But neither is blowing up the roster every year and starting fresh!
by RebelChris on Oct 31, 2011 8:57 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd your post, RC!
I agree with you a thousand fold and if I could, I’d have rec’d your post a thousand times more. Totally two thumbs and two big toes WAY UP!
Fans and Coaches all need to be patient here. The play calling was sickening. Someone needs to step on somebody’s toes over at Dove Valley, because I refuse to believe that everyone in the building would agree that the plays that were called in the first three quarters of yesterday’s game were tailored to Tebow’s strength.
I hope somebody there wakes up soon.
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 44 years
Panthers fan here
I commented a few weeks ago on a post about Tebow and felt like contributing my two cents here. Admittedly, I’m not a big Tebow fan. My biggest concern with his progression as an NFL quarterback before this season was John Fox. He simply doesn’t like what the offense would have to look like with Tebow as his quarterback. He likes a more conservative offense and from my experience here in Carolina I have seen how he at times refuses to have the offense work to the strengths of the players. He is a great head coach, but he fits the player to the system and doesn’t run the offense the other way around.
For Tebow to succeed, he needs a coach that believes in him and absolutely gives him a chance to succeed by playing to his strengths. It just won’t happen with Fox at the helm for two reasons:
1. I have never seen Fox work the offense around what his players do well, he has built the offense around what he likes to do. In Carolina, that means absolutely refusing to get a pass catching tight end to free up coverage that is on Steve Smith. In Denver it means forcing Tebow to run the offense like Kyle Orton is still the quarterback. I don’t love Tebow as an NFL QB, but I also don’t think he is being given a fair shot to succeed.
2. Fox doesn’t like Tebow, not as a person, but as a quarterback he isn’t the kind of QB that Fox is comfortable with having run the offense. Simply put, what Tebow brings to the table for the offense isn’t what Fox wants to do.
I really like John Fox as a head coach, but I saw him here in Carolina for quite a few years running the same offense with the same problems that never got resolved. The Panthers needed a quality pass catching TE for 6 years and it never happened because Fox doesn’t want a TE that is a major part of the offense. I don’t believe Tebow will ever be a starting NFL QB, but he is has no shot of proving me wrong with what is being expected of him.
Last thought…I can’t believe how many in the media are leaping off the Tebow bandwagon. How embarrassing. They jump off the bandwagon after a bad loss and all of a sudden those who believed in Tebow no longer do. It’s just silly.
Thanks for listening/reading. Good luck this year and I know Fox will turn the team around, but I can also (unfortunately) predict the incredibly conservative offense will be a major source of headaches for you as fans.
Fox didn't pick Tebow, he was stuck with him.
No slogans. Just win!!!
Well yes
I guess that was my point using only sentence.
Chiefs fan opinion.
First off, I still think Tebow can get better. I mean one bad game and he’s on the hot seat? Did you see what the Lions did to the Chiefs? Cassel is still starting QB after that thumping. Second, I don’t know that John Fox is an improvement over McDumiels for you guys. Did he do anything in Carolina? No. Did he mentor Jake Delome and Matt Moore well? No. Tebow does need to improve, but it’s hard to when your o line looks like a swinging door. Frankly, I don’t think Tebow is in an ideal situation in Denver. He doesn’t seem to have the support of your FO and they apparently insist that he be a pocket passer.
I don't think he does have the support of the front office.
I don’t think Elway wants him and I don’t think Fox does either. I do however expect more from Tebow after what he did in college and a year in the league. Usually you can tell by watching a guy play especially a rookie if he has it or not, and I don’t think Tebow will ever be able to play the type of football Fox wants. At this point I think Tebow has a better chance at being the lead character in the movie about Tebow than be a Franchise QB.
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by CPT.Caveman on Oct 31, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I admit I was wrong.
When I said last week that if we played the game we brought to Miami against a good team we’d lose by 50.
I was wrong. It was 35. My bad. But wow, what an ‘exciting loss’.
Even Woody Paige wasn’t thirsty today.
Don’t drink that Kool Aid too fast Woody…there’s a LONG drought ahead.
We’re a bad team with a bad QB, and no other option but Brady Quinn. But, this is what the people wanted, because they’re all coaches now.
I guess the upside is another awesome draft pick. Might I suggest a quarterback?
Tim Tebow built my hot rod. And it runs 46 percent of the time.
by TheMastermind on Oct 31, 2011 9:12 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
At this rate
Luck is out of the question, but you might get Barkely or Clemson’s QB (Forgot his name)
by ROFLCOPTER16 on Oct 31, 2011 9:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Bad team play all around :(
Tim also had a very poor game. But…
This is what learning on the field looks like. Those of us who were realistic in expectations, expected there would be ugly times. This was one of them. Teams don’t get to practice at full speed very often, so it’s almost mandatory to play in live games to fix what’s broken. They obviously believe the best way to help Tim progress is to force him into plays that are his primary weaknesses.
I agree with John Lynch’s assessment that McCoy was not setting the offense up to succeed. The plays called late in the game need to be the plays called early in the game. I’m just not sure that Fox and McCoy really want that style of offense. If they haven’t figured that simple concept out by now, they probably won’t.
Shamelessly copied my text from another thread :O
Patience is needed and again the jury is still out.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
Anybody catch Elway on Vic & Gary?
“Did you see improvement from Tebow?”
Elway’s answer: “No.”
Here's the link
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=96&c=740&f=253421
History is a collection of lies, agreed upon -- Napoleon Bonaparte
by Schwerepunkt on Oct 31, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Was he as overmatched and vulnerable as a Michael Silver simile?
Jason
The Hanging Curve
With enough practice,
Tebow can play like he did on the first drive.
There are a lot of rats jumping ship right now, scared senseless at the thought that they might be wrong about supporting Tebow against the all knowing echo chamber.
It was his fifth start, which by itself would be tough to overcome a decent lions team. Then you throw in all the other garbage he has to overcome(sans best rb and wr, playing with rookie blind side…)..this rush to judgement is silly.
I predict elway giving up the farm and tebow to miami for luck. He will probably get what he deserves.
by TheMascotArmy on Oct 31, 2011 10:09 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Miami might want the farm
But we would have to throw in a second to get them to take Tebow
Keep your eye on the prize -
The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.
Why would anyone want Tebow?
What team is so desperate for a QB that they are willing to take Tebow rather than waiting for the QB class coming up? Tebow is a project, always has been. Only a solid team with an established veteran QB would entertain taking him and not for any second round pick either.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Oct 31, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
No.....
We would have to give Miami at least our second round pick just to get them to take Tebow off of our hands.
Keep your eye on the prize -
The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.
He doesn’t make enough money and we already paid him. We probably would have had to trade a 3rd round pick to someone to take Orton off our hands with his stupid salary.
Miami gets Orton and Denver’s 3rd round pick in 2012 for Miami’s 7th round pick in 2016.
I was there!
can't trade anyone this year
And next year Orton has no contract so he walks for free
Keep your eye on the prize -
The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.
That first drive was the scripted drive...
Can’t script the entire game. Tebow needs to dig deep, down to his toes, and find improvement before the season is done because I guarantee Denver will take a QB next season.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Oct 31, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Something smells fishy in this mucky desire to find fault in Tebow...
There is no way, no how that this is the same Time Tebow who averaged 25 points a game in the final three games of the season last year! Whether the coaches are trying to make Tebow play under their rules of the game or trying to make Tebow a better quarterback, something is very very wrong with the strategy. OC Mike McCoy was here last year during that time and he knows what makes Tebow click. I have a feeling Elway/Fox have stuck him with the evil deed of trying fix his mechanics and make him do things he can’t or won’t do. Tebow is Tebow and if you want him to be successful then you play to his strengths not his weaknesses. So far the experiment of Tebow is a total failure and I don’t see it getting any better with whta they are doing.
I have thus feeling that EFX do not want tebow at all
I think they have already decided that tebow is not the future, they will let him ride out this year and draft a qb in a heavy qb draft hell they might draft two or bring in a FA, whatever tebow does the rest of this year good or bad, I feel like he doesnot have support he needs, and McCoy sucks like really sucks, I feel confident that this team will get better, but I also think there is going to be a lot of changes in the offseason, i am mostly sure we will be looking at a completely different team, so much speculation, just want to know their freaking plan
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