Do Elway and Fox disagree on the QB Situation?
For a long time now I have tried to stay out of the QB debate going on amongst fans of the Denver Broncos. I am, by nature, non-confrontational when it comes to these things, and the arguments can get very heated and nasty. I tend to trust that the professionals getting paid to make these decisions know far more than I do. I haven’t seen enough of the players in practice or games to truly get a sense of their talents, and even if I had, I’m not knowledgeable enough to form an informed opinion anyway.
With that in mind, I rely on what others say to develop my opinions. John Elway is certainly one who should know about playing quarterback in the NFL. John Fox gets paid plenty to know about coaching football, including quarterbacks. In reading what Elway had to say yesterday about the quarterback situation I found myself thinking that he’s starting to soften a little bit on Orton being the starter. He started saying that they evaluate everyone game-to-game and week-to-week. Before he would be stauncher in saying Orton is the starting QB. John Fox today continued in his assertions the Orton is the starting quarterback. He stated it repeatedly during his press conference. Fox continues to sound annoyed (understandably) when questions were asked about Tim Tebow. As John Bena ascertained in his story earlier today, Fox sounds as if he has very little intention of giving Tebow a shot at the QB job (barring injury).
I wonder if there isn’t some disagreement developing within the Broncos organization on who should be starting. It was pondered by some during the preseason, after they failed to trade Orton to the Dolphins, if they might try again at the trade deadline. Orton certainly hasn’t helped his value in the first four games, but could some other team still be interested? Could management be hoping for this possibility from the beginning? Start Orton for five weeks and hope some other team comes knocking?
Another possibility for Elway’s softening could be related to fan pressure. Management will always say that their decisions are not influenced by fan reaction, but at some point don’t they have to listen? The fans are the ones who by the tickets, merchandise, and concessions. Ultimately that is who pays the bills for the team. Football is a business, and it may be getting to the point where starting Tebow is the better business move, even if it makes the team worse. It would generate more excitement with fans, and business would see at least a temporary upswing. Add to that the incentive of Tebow being a first round pick. At some point they need to give him a chance to see what they have. Regardless of which regime drafted him, the money has been spent.
Fox has shown strong indications that he plans to stick with Orton unless something forces his hand. Either Orton has to get injured, traded, or Elway issues an ultimatum. Play Tim Tebow or else.
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OH MY GOD HOW STUPID, no just kidding :)
i actually agree 100 with you, there has to be something cooking in mile high, they just cant be passive, this situation is delicate
by gabriel suarez moreno on Oct 4, 2011 12:03 PM MDT reply actions
“Tebow is a better business move, even if it makes the team worse.”
Not sure what to say to that. Fans will go to the games when they start winning, even after they cut ties with Tebow and draft a new QB.
I mean this year
not necessarily for future years. If the team is losing either way, Tebow generates more buzz to keep fans coming. Of course winning is preferable.
There is a world of difference between an Orton loss and a Tebow loss
Orton comes off as apathetic. Oh well, spilled milk. I get paid either way and my stats don’t look that bad this week because of all the garbage time at the end.
Tebow doesn’t like to lose, period. He’ll fight to the end no matter how impossible coming back starts to seem. He gives his all and lets you know he did everything he could to prevent that outcome. You can walk away from a Tebow loss with your head held high… It’s almost like getting in a fight with someone much stronger than you. At a certain point, it’s impossible that you’ll win, so the most you can do is keep getting up and staring them in the eye to let them know they can’t break your spirit.
Losses happen, it’s just a fact of the game, and no matter who is under center it’s starting to look like we’ll have our fair share of them this year. At least if it’s Tebow, we can keep our self respect in the same way the Bengals left this year. They gave that game against us their all, and they were proud of themselves and came away with things to build on. Sitting through a third year with Orton, I now know we’ll never experience anything like that with him.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 4, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
You nailed it Royal Fan..well said!
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
in the NFL a loss is a loss.....
Only Tebow fans see some silver lining when he loses 2 out of 3 starts…. .333 pct sucks… No matter who the QB is
by Damon322 on Oct 4, 2011 3:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Only Tebow haters don't realize he can still learn from his mistakes
You realize Orton losses all the time no?
Winning isn't everything
I’ve enjoyed many years of Broncos football, yet we’ve only won the Super Bowl twice. Were those two seasons better? Sure, but I still really enjoyed watching the Broncos even in years like 1990 when Elway led us to a 5 and 11 record (.3125). With a quarterback like Elway, you always had hope for the next game and the next season, and I have a feeling the same could be true of Tebow. Do I know this for a fact? Of course not, just a gut feeling. What I do know is that I’m becoming more and more sure I’ll never feel this way about Orton with every game I have to suffer through him starting.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 4, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey!!! you nailed the season I was thinking of
With all the previous hype about the billboard thing, do you remember the fan who lived on a billboard that season until the Broncos won? He was on the news almost every week and finally, I think we beat San Diego and we was able to come down. Does anyone else remember that?
Tell me Damon what kind of lining do you see from Orton's last 16 starts?
isn’t he something along the lines of 4-13?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
i see a average QB on a bad team....
I still see no reason to play an inferior player while we rebuild…if tebow cant run Coach Fox’s offense he needs to warm the bench until he can….
Thats funny cause right now I see a bad QB on an average team
Defense is average, run game is average, OL is average. Where does that leave Orton? Oh yeah, leading the NFL in turnovers, which were the biggest factor in 2 of the losses this year
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
by Calikula on Oct 5, 2011 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 6, 2011 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Only got one thing to say to that
Some other quarterback went 3-13 last year in the other games. 0.23 sucks more than 0.33… No matter who the QB is
i guess that wasnt Tebow smiling and joking after the Raider loss....
Save the hyperbole… All NFL players are competitive and they understand losing happens… Even Tim…
I think that Fox is stubborn as hell
and is the reason Tim hasn’t gotten the start yet despite it making all logical sense at this point. Elway is a 1st year exec and doesn’t want to step on the coaches shoes by telling him what he has to do. Hopefully Elway balls up after this week and tells Fox to wake up.
Fox is pro-orton, Elway is pro-tebow
And Xanders is pro-illegitimate son of tebow and orton who would be surrogated by Quinn.
Record since the start of last year:
Kyle Orton: 4-13
John Fox: 3-16
Forgive me if I'm less than patient building a franchise around these guys.
by Kgrone on Oct 4, 2011 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's good stuff Kgrone !!
Now we know…
"I won't cry over spilt milk" - KO on "The Beatdown" :"It's just one of those deals" - KO on "The Drop" : "That was one of the best wins that I've been a part of" KO on "a week 2 win over the Bengals". " It was just bad luck" KO on "The game ending tipped Int at Tennessee"
I actually think Elway is the one on the fence.
X should have some investment in Tebow since he was part of the team that drafted him.
And I think Elway would rather have a more protypical QB. Tebow is like going for it on 4th down when conventional wisdom says kick. There is little upside for Elway to risk going with Tebow—if he fails, then everyone says told you so and Elway takes a hit as a GM (or fails with TT). If he succeeds, great—but now Elway’s success is tied to Josh McDaniels. Much better to get his own guy and live up or down with that.
Tebow deserves going to a team that will embrace him (our fans have but any fan base will embrace the guy) and put resources behind making him successful.
Remember this:
Elway is also a very shrewd businessman. Tebow get a LOT more money if he plays 55% of the snaps or more this season. I think you may very well see the FO hold out on switching QBs until after game 8 just so this clause doesn’t come into effect.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
I don't buy this as reason enough, it's a cheap move if so that's unacceptable given we have the cap to do it this year and it won't affect our cap next season.
You could put Tim in after the bye and play him until game 13, if he’s shown it’s his team for the future, pay the damn kid the contract you signed him to, if not, bench him in for the final few games and either bring back in Orton or give Quinn a shot, and then draft a Qb in the 1st, since we’d have a top 5 pick if this scenario played out.
I really hope they're not holding him our for the sake of saving some bucks
If so, then our FO is incredibly cheap and stupid
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby








































