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Some Clarification is in Order: Roster Trouble In Denver

We all know about some the of the issues facing Denver right now: the quarterback situation, a struggling secondary, questions about the run game, and others. But one issue that I've found seems to be something that is forgotten, the Broncos are a team about to lose a massive chunk of it's roster.

"What!?" You may ask, "teams lose players every year" and while that is true, I don't think fans realize the coming collapse, roster edition. So let's take a look at the Broncos roster, how it will be affected over the next two years, and what areas are of immediate concern. Let's jump.

Star-divide

One thing fans rarely pay attention to is the long term, especially when it comes to contracts and team depth, so that is why I wanted to bring this to the focus today. So when it comes to long term planning, coaches and GM's look at roster depth and contracts and when they end to plan who to draft and who to pick up in free agency. We are going to sit down and put our general manager hats on and look at the Broncos roster. Let's start with the 2011 Broncos roster:


2011 Roster:

* Names in Bold are in their last contract year *

OFFENSE

QB

RB

FB

WR1

WR2

TE

Kyle Orton

Willis McGahee

Spencer Larsen

Brandon Lloyd

Eric Decker

Daniel Fells

Brady Quinn

Knowshon Moreno


Matt Willis

Eddie Royal

Julius Thomas

Tim Tebow

Lance Ball


Demaryius Thomas

Quan Cosby

Virgil Green






Dante Rosario







66% Roster Lost

33% Lost

100% Lost

50% Lost

25% Lost

Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

Starter Lost

1 Starter Lost

Starter Lost







LT

LG

C

RG

RT

K

Ryan Clady

Zane Beadles

J.D. Walton

Chris Kuper

Orlando Franklin

Matt Prater

Chris Clark

Russ Hochstein

Manny Ramirez


Tony Hills




Lonnie Paxton










50% Lost

50% Lost

0% Lost

0% Lost

0% Lost

100% Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

Starter Lost







DEFENSE

DE

DT

MLB

WLB

SLB


Elvis Dumervil

Brodrick Bunkley

Joe Mays

D.J. Williams

Von Miller


Robert Ayers

Kevin Vickerson

Nate Irving

Wesley Woodyard

Mario Haggan


Jason Hunter

Marcus Thomas





Derrick Harvey

Ryan McBean






Mitch Unrein











50% Lost

60% Lost

50% Lost

50% Lost

50% Lost



Starter Lost

Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost








CB

FS

SS

P



Champ Bailey

Rahim Moore

Brian Dawkins

Britton Colquitt



Andre' Goodman

David Bruton

Quinton Carter




Cassius Vaughn






Jonathan Wilhite






Chris Harris












0% Lost

50% Lost

0% Lost

100% Lost



No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost



 

Notes:

  • We lose 8 starters:
    - Kyle Orton
    - Spencer Larseon
    - Brandon Lloyd
    - Daniel Fells
    - Matt Prater
    - Brodrick Bunkley
    - Joe Mays
    - Britton Colquitt
  • We lose 12 backups/rotational players:
    - Brady Quinn
    - Lance Ball
    - Matt Willis
    - Eddie Royal
    - Chris Clark
    - Russ Hochstein
    - Jason Hunter
    - Derrick Harvey
    - Marcus Thomas
    - Ryan McBean
    - Wesley Woodyard
    - Mario Haggan
  • We lose 100% of our starting special teams guys in Prater and Colquitt.
  • We lose 50% of all out linebackers.
  • We lose 56% of all our defensive lineman.
  • We lose 50% of all our wide receivers.
  • Our secondary and offensive line remain in good conditions, losing no starters.
  • Going into the 2012 draft and FA, there is an immediate need, just in terms of roster spots, for these positions:
    - linebacker
    - defensive tackle
    - defensive end
    - wide receiver
    - quarterback
    - fullback
    - kicker
    - punter

2012 Roster:

* Names in Bold are in their last contract year *
* - signify a roster spot that lost a player *

OFFENSE

QB

RB

FB

WR1

WR2

TE

-

Willis McGahee

-

-

Eric Decker

-

-

Knowshon Moreno


-

-

Julius Thomas

Tim Tebow

-


Demaryius Thomas

Quan Cosby

Virgil Green






Dante Rosario







0% Roster Lost

0% Lost


0% Lost

0% Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost


No Stater Lost

No Starter Lost







LT

LG

C

RG

RT

K

Ryan Clady

Zane Beadles

J.D. Walton

Chris Kuper

Orlando Franklin

-

-

-

Manny Ramirez


Tony Hills




Lonnie Paxton










100% Lost

50% Lost

0% Lost

0% Lost

50% Lost


Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost








DEFENSE

DE

DT

MLB

WLB

SLB


Elvis Dumervil

Ty Warren

-

D.J. Williams

Von Miller


Robert Ayers

Kevin Vickerson

Nate Irving

-

-


-

-





-

-






Mitch Unrein











0% Lost

66% Lost

0% Lost

0% Lost

0% Lost


No Starter Lost

2 Starters Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost








CB

FS

SS

P



Champ Bailey

Rahim Moore

Brian Dawkins

-



Andre' Goodman

David Bruton

Quinton Carter




Cassius Vaughn






Jonathan Wilhite






Chris Harris












20% Lost

50% Lost

0% Lost




No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost

No Starter Lost




 

Notes:

  • We lose 3 starters:
    - Ryan Clady
    - Kevin Vickerson
    - Ty Warren (who returns from IR after this season)
  • We lose 3 backups/rotational players:
    - Tony Hills
    - Cassius Vaughn
    - David Bruton
  • At this point we are thin on the offensive line, losing a starter and a backup this season. We also have no starting left tackle.
  • We lose 2 of our remaining 3 defensive tackles.
  • Secondary and running back are about the only positions that remain somewhat solid, but at this point, both Goodman, Dawkins and Champ will be near the end of their careers.
  • Going into the 2013 draft and FA, there is an immediate need, just in terms of roster spots, for these positions:
    - linebacker
    - defensive tackle
    - defensive end
    - wide receiver
    - quarterback
    - kicker
    - punter
    - offensive lineman (both tackles and guards)
    - fullback

2013 Roster:

* Now I won't include who will be leaving in 2013, just the state of the roster *

Offense:

Quarterback:
- Tim Tebow
- 66% lost

Running Back:
- Knowshon Moreno
- Willis McGahee
- 33% lost

Fullback:
- None
- 100% lost

Wide Receiver:
- Eric Decker
- Demaryius Thomas
- Quan Crosby

Tight End:
- Julius Thomas
- Virgil Green
- Dante Rosario
- 25% lost

Offensive Tackle:
-Orlando Franklin
- 75% lost

Offensive Guard:
- Zane Beadles
- Chris Kuper
- 33% lost

Center:
- J.D. Walton
- Manny Ramerez
- Lonnie Paxton
- 0% lost

Kicker:
- None
- 100% lost

Defense:

Defensive End:
- Elvis Dumervil
- Rober Ayers
- 50% lost

Defensive Tackle:
- Mitch Urein
- 80% lost

Linebacker:
- Von Miller
- Nate Irving
- D.J. Williams
- 50% lost

Cornerback:
- Champ Bailey
- Andre Goodman
- Jonathan Wilhite
- Chris Harris
- 20% lost

Safety:
- Brian Dawkins
- Quinton Carter
- Rahim Moore
- 25% lost

Punter:
- None
- 100% lost

Notes:

  • Over two off seasons we lose 11 starters and 15 backups/rotational players for a total of 26 players, or about half the roster.
  • We are 4th in total roster loss in the next two years.
  • We lose 50% or more of these roster spots:
    - quarterback
    - fullback
    - wide receiver
    - offensive tackle
    - kicker
    - defensive end
    - defensive tackle
    - linebacker
    - punter
  • Over these two years we lose most of our Pro Bowl talent.

Review:

So let's just conclude this quickly, while the Broncos quarterback situation is on the forefront of everyone's minds, the Broncos actually have much bigger problems on the horizon, and unless EFX are very active this up coming off season, we could be in for some major struggles. Add in the aging of key players like Brian Dawkins, DJ Williams, Champ Bailey, Andre Goodman, and Willis McGahee the Broncos may cut ties with any of these players before their contracts are up.

My suggestions for the Broncos FO this off season would include this:

- Draft at least one defensive tackle very high
- Draft a corner very high
- Draft a mid round quarterback
- Resign Brandon Lloyd and Eddie Royal
- Resign Matt Prater and Britton Colquitt
- Resign Jason Hunter and Brodrick Bunkley (or find replacements in FA or the draft)
- Resign Wesley Woodyard and Mario Haggan (or find replacements in FA or the draft)

All I know is that I'm scared right now, not because of who will play QB next week, but because we are going to go through one of the biggest upheavals in the NFL this off season the the off season of 2013. Let's hear some of your suggestions on what the Broncos should do this off season.

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Resign Spencer Larsen too!

it just makes me feel better having a Mormon on the team #oneofmyown

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:07 PM MDT reply actions  

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by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Oops

sorry

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m really not into that photo. I think the artist has some “issues”

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2011 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree. kinda weird, When I imangine Jesus carrying someone

I see his hand stretched out over them making them float.

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Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes Christ

does have to do the Heimlich maneuver, he will for Felipe Rivers after he CHOKES Sunday :)

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

this is a good point.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Zac....

you are a character.

by tunesmith on Oct 7, 2011 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Julianne Hough?

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Omg...to be "touched by an ANGEL"!!!!!

Thats me in the corner, that’s me in the spotlight, “losing my religion”…..Yeeeeesssssss!

"we don't plan to fail, we fail to plan"
" character is who you are, reputation is what they say about you"
"always have character, don't be one"

by Hogblog on Oct 8, 2011 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dude!

That looks like Jesus is carrying Sam Beckett! From Quantum Leap, you know?

I can just hear him squelching out… “Al?… Ziggy…?”
LoL

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 7, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or he's saying the proverbial

“Oh boy”

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 7, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scott Bakula is pretty much a badass.

And that was a great show. The best episode by far was when he leapt back into himself as a teenager and sang Imagine for his sister.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Classic

Another classic one like that was when he teaches Buddy Holly a Buddy Holly song (hi there, hey there, ho there Donna… or maybe it wasn’t such a long song name ;)
Also the series was one of the most disappointing conclusions of a show ever.

I think cliffhangers are the aftermath of lazy writing. We watch this stuff because it intrigues us. Whatever it is, is someone else’s idea that intrigues us. That someone should show the respect and appreciation and follow through on it and don’t be so concerned whether the viewers like it or not. It’s over anyway – end it the way the writer felt it should have ended (not counting a cliffhanger, LoL). But at least, with a cliffhanger, we can all just make it end exactly like WE want it to individually. But it defies the point of creating something if you don’t finish it, in my opinion. Kind of invalidates the glory of the rest of it.

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 7, 2011 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bakula is a cool dude

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Resign Spencer Larsen or Re-Sign Spencer Larsen :)

I love the the Stormin Mormon

Von Miller doesn't sleep, he waits

by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 8, 2011 7:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great to have this info, thanks. But am I wrong in thinking Broncos have a ton of cap room left?

I feel like they can extend whichever guys they prioritize. Or many of them at least. Obviously there will be still some changeover next season, considering draft picks coming in and so forth.

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by underdog on Oct 7, 2011 2:08 PM MDT reply actions  

I think that

they made the headline ominous so people would read it!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

MSM tactic?

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

I would never stoop so low (just kidding Max), there is good information here!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

its only reads and comments. ha ha

but seriously. A lot of quality guys on the way out. better sign a couple. like Woody and Prater.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Woodyard and Prater

I love Royal, but if he’s not feasible, I’ll get a new avatar, probably of Zac Man lifting the Lombardi trophy with Coach Fox!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

or of Brando in the Godfather

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would be appropriate!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

We do have a lot of room left

But guys like Clady and Lloyd are going to require big contracts.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clady will get his. Lloyd I'm not so sure. Bay Bay may flip on the switch

and with Decker showing what he can do, Lloyd might not get top dollar.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah agreed, I don't see Lloyd hitting paydirt in Denver if the Broncos target other pressing needs

like, yeah, Clady, and some of the other guys. I mean I’d like to keep him, but some of it depends on the health of guys like DT and Royal. If they continue to look injury prone maybe they’ll bite the bullet and pay up for Lloyd.

Definitely some decisions will have to be made.
I mean, I’d like to keep both Prater and Colquitt, good kickers do not grow on trees (nor do you want to ridiculously overpay for them either).

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by underdog on Oct 7, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

The issue I have is if DT never becomes a decent receiver and we just let Royal and Lloyd go, we could be screwed.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

We could be

but can’t a great signal-caller also make average wideouts look splendid? I remember that happening with Ricky Nattiel, Mark Jackson and Vance Johnson here in Denver. I don’t want to lose Royal but que sara sara

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will it really be that hard to keep Royal?

His production has really been down for a couple years now and I can’t imagine too many teams making a big move to get him. Surly they won’t offer him so much more than we can afford to where his loyalty to Denver jeopardized… Of course, I’m obviously biased when it comes to Eddie lol.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

As am I my friend!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's true

But those guys are two or three in the league at a time, and we don’t have on, so I’d like to hold onto as many WR’s as possible.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

what if royal never becomes a decent receiver?

okay, that’s harsh, but he’s a #3 on his best day right now. i don’t think he’s even there but that’s up for debate. i wouldn’t fight over him in a free agent battle. there’s been more “great hands” catches from decker already than royal’s had in his career (frankly, decker shows more on field speed too, imo). good guy, like to keep him, but only at a solid character guy price.

by oxmouth on Oct 7, 2011 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

He's built for the slot

Last season he was 2nd in the NFL for yards after the catch, behind only Wes Welker. Now he’s no where near that level, but in the slot, he does fine, last season was solid for a #3 guy, and with Decker and Lloyd attracting most of the defenses attention, Royal could really succeed in the slot.

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by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

he’s a solid slot guy and we could use him. but even then, is he a top slot guy in the NFL? i just don’t see a lot of teams drooling over him. i’m all for keeping him—primarily for depth—but at the first sniff of a bidding war i’d step down and look elsewhere. probably to some inexpensive youth.

by oxmouth on Oct 7, 2011 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he were to be resigned

It wouldn’t be for an expensive contract, which would be the nice thing.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 8, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

right. at this point i don’t even think most teams remember who he is (wee bit exaggeration), which would give us a solid character guy at a bargain price. i’d take that.

by oxmouth on Oct 8, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

We’ll resign Clady a year from now. No biggie.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Broncos do have a TON of cap room

Second or third most out of any NFL team currently I believe.

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by IanHenson on Oct 7, 2011 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

No there is no doubt. Kyle Orton WONT get top dollar here.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that Tim Tebow should be the starting quarterback for the Denver Broncos. ~ Abe Lincoln

Friends are like potatoes. If you eat them, they die. ~ Aristotle

by Zac Man on Oct 7, 2011 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Thank God!

Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.

by Boiler etc on Oct 8, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't be scared

Most of those guys are Josh McDaniels guys, and most of the guys don’t have the talent to be a part of a championship caliber team. McDaniels tore this organization apart, it’s going to take time to put it back together. The sooner we get rid of some of these guys the better.

by heffery on Oct 7, 2011 2:11 PM MDT reply actions  

McJedi didn’t tear our organization apart. He just took a fading team and made it worse.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree partly

He only made some, and I mean some bad personnel decisions. Which is excusable for a rookie head coach. Excuse me, should be excusable for a rookie HC, but I understand the bias and dislike of him, trust me.
But he also made some great moves. And some potentially great moves too. The good all seems to be forgotten.

But just off the top of my head
Tebow
DT
Ayers (esp. now that he’s being utilized properly)
Re-signing Champ
Promoting Wink (otherwise We may have not gotten rid of him, LoL)
I don’t know, I think Our defensive scheme is what hurt Us the most in McDaniels’ tenure. I just disagree that McDaniels’ made Us worse. It wasn’t just McD, it was a combination of things, and my main point is he didn’t only do harm, he did some good too. Alright, alright, I’m just doing the opposite of you and only trying to focus on the positives (or potential positives) and most only focus on the negatives surrounding him. LoLoTi

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 7, 2011 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wink was a horrid move

So was hillis for quinn, 3 draft picks for Tebow, DT can be argued was a bad pick, giving a first to get a 2nd rounder for phonz, Moreno, etc, etc…

"It's all over fat man!"
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-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

That was the point about Wink though

If it weren’t for McD placing him as the D coordinator, We probably wouldn’t have Mr. Allen right now. ( ;

I agree on Hillis for Quinn, wholeheartedly.

The picks traded for Tebow, you obviously weren’t paying attention. No offense, seriously, but you weren’t. McDaniels and staff pulled some close to genius trades, and in the end, We actually moved up in position on the draft board for two of the trades and I’m pretty sure actually gained an extra pick overall… There was a post right after that draft that laid it all out, and We came out way ahead. But yeah, he did have some horrid moves, no one can disagree with that.

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 9, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

No actually, that was bad. I wanted them to take Tebow with the 22nd pick, and not draft a WR with a bum foot in the 1st round. Thats not hindsight, I hated the move then, and 4 injuries later, hate the move even more. I hope DT makes me eat crow, but Im not too optimistic about his speed especially after an achilles rupture

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by Calikula on Oct 9, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Talks fell apart with Mcd and Champ. He was resigned under EFX. Hence the entire we might loose Champ saga before the lockout.
Wink? worts defense in the legue.
DT unproven
Tebow unproven.

I think Decker was about the only bright spot form the Mcd era

by KarlMecklenburg77 on Oct 7, 2011 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like the Joe Mays deal

Gaff was a good pick up too. Walton and Beadles are just ok at this point, not great, but not bad either. Ayers is also just ok. Other than that, everything else was bad

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

You're right, I don't know how I forgot

exactly when Champ was re-signed.

I thought the 6 – 0 start was quite the bright spot as well. Also Dumervil being league leading sack artist in ‘09…. I don’t know, it’s my opinion, but I think there were a lot of bright spots, but I understand for most, the losing tends to clear the memory of said bright spots.

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 9, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree Pearl Jam. McJedi wasn’t only terrible and Shanny left him with what was a terrible terrible defense.

I think almost all of us are glad McJedi was fired sooner vs later, but he takes too much heat when Shanny really did leave a defense and ST and coaching staff in complete disarray.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 8, 2011 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I knew I could count on you McGeorge

to not miss the point, in that scramble of verbs, nouns and adjectives. Heh heh.

That was the main point there, that the McDaniels era could have left Us worse-off, and that Shanny left him a butt-load of problems (not to mention he was handed too much power, which was far from his own fault, well, unless he was like “I promise, Mr. Bowlen, I can handle it” then it becomes partially his fault for instilling false hopes in Mr. Bowlen and Ellis… But it’s still their fault for giving it to him).

Believe it or not, everything in life can get worse, but you do run into things time to time, that just couldn’t get any better. If you’ve ever been in love, you’ve likely experienced both. By the way, I thought of this ‘slogan’ as it were, myself. I’ve never seen it written that way before, the short version is

Everything can get worse, but some things just can’t get any better.

A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Oct 9, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good article,

unfortunately when viewing your 2011 Roster table, it is very difficult to discern the Bold names in orange from the non-bold names. I had to look at your 2012 Roster table to understand who was not contracted beyond this season.

by cohiker on Oct 7, 2011 2:18 PM MDT reply actions  

Yea because it created hyperlinks of nearly all the names, you have no idea which ones are bold and which arent.

is there a way to disable the auto-linking?

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by Teboner on Oct 7, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Puts the QB situation in perspective doesnt it?

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by Teboner on Oct 7, 2011 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Resign Mario Haggan?

well, perhaps if he becomes as clutch as Mario Elie was in the NBA back in the day!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 2:29 PM MDT reply actions  

The QB situation is dire.

If Orton isn’t the long term guy and I have to imagine he isn’t, and Tebow isn’t in Fox’s plan, which by all indications he’s not, then QB will be another pick we’ll have to draft high, displacing another area of need.

Maybe we’ll know more after the game with the Chargers, but by all indications from Fox, Orton is the starter for the season. He’s not showing any real indication that Tebow is anywhere in his long term plans. If that’s the case, expect to lose Orton at seasons end (my worst nightmare is he signs him back to a long term contract) and possibly trade Tebow. Quinn will probably test the market and may end up back as a Bronco for a slightly better than backup, but no where near starter, pay.

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by go4broncos on Oct 7, 2011 2:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Orton

The grapevine has consitently said that KO wants a long-term contract. And that makes sense. He’s earned one. Remember, only one team can win the Luck sweepsteaks and if Denver won’t give him a long term deal someone will. I bet the Fins regret not giving him what he wanted, now.

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by Tuttifrutti on Oct 7, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree.

IMO, Orton has done nothing to warrant a long-term contract. He’s on the same level as Garrard who also is looking for a long-term deal, and we saw how quickly Miami was to offer him one. Both of these quarterbacks are just stop-gap solutions and better than average second-stringers. I have a feeling both will be disappointed when they play the free market.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree, but only to a point.

Orton has been in the league long enough for most people to realize he’s not going to be a Tom Brady or Payton Manning. He is better than every backup in the league and better than quite a few starters, but still probably isn’t good enough to help a team win a superbowl. Problem is, those types of QB’s are few and far between in this league and everybody knows that. Since the number of QB’s at that elite level are limited, what do you do? You take the next best thing you can find and hope for the best, either by putting together a superstar cast around that QB, or by having a Defense that can win it all for you, ala the Ravens and the Bucs earlier in the ‘00 decade (which also happens to be just as hard to find). Orton will play somewhere, but he’ll always be “competing” for the starting spot, and as soon as he gets beat out, he’ll go somewhere else because no one wants to pay their backup QB what he’ll demand, that and he wants to be a starter wherever he goes and probably won’t accept anything less.

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by go4broncos on Oct 7, 2011 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we're on the same page with Orton

I’m not saying he wont’ be able to find any starting job, but where he goes, they’ll have a younger developing quarterback behind him that they’re hoping will become the next Aaron Rodgers. Is it possible that he’ll find success with someone? Sure, if he has the superstar cast surrounding him. But even in that situation, the team will be looking past him and hoping to bring in a young gun to complete their team. The bottom line is, he’s most likely going to have to give up on being anyone’s long-term solution and just continue to take the stopgap role he’s maintained his whole career.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

He is Steve DeBerg

or a less talented version of Dave Krieg

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Orton fanboys have really fallen off now

Rocko and Hoop have been silenced by Orton’s play

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

YEAAAHHHHHH!!!

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by Teleman on Oct 7, 2011 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lil John anyone?

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

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by Zac Man on Oct 8, 2011 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK!!!!!!

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by Calikula on Oct 8, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

alrighty then.

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by Zac Man on Oct 9, 2011 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can I defend DeBerg then? Best play-action QB ever.

 Far better than Orton!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 7, 2011 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Never saw him in action so I'll take your word for it

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

preach it, wb.

dude was snake bit, too, being shadowed by future HOFers everywhere he ended up. he also had a solid pre-hasselhoff thing brewing for the eighties ladies, and that’s points there.

by oxmouth on Oct 8, 2011 12:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dave Kreig Is A Good Analogy

Good Guy With Some Talent, But Not A Worldbeater

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by Alaskan on Oct 8, 2011 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Think they signed Prater already

Right before his DUI (perhaps celebrating a bit too much). So think we’re good there.

by shasta77 on Oct 7, 2011 2:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Great Job Max

I’m bookmarking this article for use later in the year. I think there could be a lot of significant roster changes on this team going into 2012-2013, which if you believe all the McDaniel’s drove this team into the gutter and gutted it of talent thinking, could be a great thing.

I like some of our young talent. I can’t sing Decker’s praises enough. Once he signs a bigger contract with the Broncos I’m definitely gonna get his jersey. Obviously with Von, Franklin, Moore, Doom, and Champ we’ve got some EFX guys who we know will be sticking around. Four games in I think we made some decent headway with our latest draft.

I would like to see us resign Willis, Hunter, Haggan and Thomas but I wouldn’t be too broken up if they moved on. I still think Willis shows great stuff on the football field and I’m disappointed he hasn’t seen more playing time.

The QB situation is a glaring hole and one you have to think those guys are looking closely at. Not having a starter after this season, and watching our current starter self-destruct doesn’t spell good things for us. Mock drafts are going to be crazy.

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by BroncoPH on Oct 7, 2011 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t find this bad at all. Pretty simple really.

Resign these guys
- Spencer Larson
- Brandon Lloyd
- Daniel Fells
- Matt Prater
- Brodrick Bunkley
- Britton Colquitt
- Wesley Woodyard

Two kickers, depth players in Fells and Larsen, one star in Lloyd and two solid starters in Bunkley and Woodyard. It won’t even be all the much salary cap room

Let all the rest test UFA including Royal, Willis and Thomas.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2011 2:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Bay Bay

is still a mystery to me, I noted that all three of your rejects are wideouts, while they are good and you need a few that are solid, their ego at times drives you mad.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thomas is Marcus Thomas (DT).

Sorry for my laziness in not included the M.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 7, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh it can happen

that’s something we copy editors are paid to do, and not everyone is cognizant of grammar or punctuality, it’s all good!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

or spelking.

Life's too short for bad tone!

by Teleman on Oct 7, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

spelling is ovurrayted

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

or punctuation

Most people are “cognizant” of punctuality, even if they’re late,

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by longshot356 on Oct 8, 2011 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

That sounds about right

Lloyd worries me a bit though. I have a niggling feeling he might want a pay packet the size of his ego.

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by BlobTheMagnificent on Oct 8, 2011 2:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

anyway you guys can give us back dawkins?

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by greenismean on Oct 7, 2011 3:30 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't think he's healthy :(

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

i mean, if you want him lol

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by Teboner on Oct 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

lol i do anything to get dawk back, btw you guys need tebow to start, elway is being a hater. who cares if he has a funny throwing motion, a guy like tebow you let him go out and play…im a huge eagles fan but tebow is someone i believe in

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by greenismean on Oct 7, 2011 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

How goes it on BGN?

I’ve not been this week but I fear mutinies are looming if the Bills win Sunday

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

there already going nuts, there at each others throats

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by greenismean on Oct 8, 2011 6:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kind of like we are.

Losing sucks

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by Calikula on Oct 8, 2011 7:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

We'll give you Dawk back for Justin Babin ;)

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

looks like that has changed :)

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by Teboner on Oct 9, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

please... take dawk

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by Teboner on Oct 9, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not an issue...

We were 4-12 last year… and on pace for the same record this year. I’m pretty sure we can either resign these guys because nobody else will want them… or sign someone that is as good or better. This is a great thing actually. Its not like we are married to players that stink for 3-4 years with huge contracts that are guaranteed. Guys like Mays, Harvey, etc are lucky they are in the position they are in right now. I’m sure they’d gladly resign for reasonable money.

by Triz06 on Oct 7, 2011 3:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Are we on pace for 4-12?

what if we beat the Chargers, which we have a really good shot at doing, believe it or not. We have games against Miami, Minnesota and two with KC, so that’s four wins right there.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

The issue with having a whole new roster

In two years is that you will constantly be in flux. The great teams each decade have continuity, I’d like to get that.

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by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we will

let us exercise a modicum of faith in EFX, it’s only been four games

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah but....

once you solidify the key positions… you will always have flux. Look at the ravens, steelers, pats, etc… They have a few core guys on oline… a few play makers on offense… couple studs on defense… a better than average QB and they plug and play the rest of the way.

by Triz06 on Oct 10, 2011 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I certainly think Larsen should be resigned. Utility players like him are exteremly rare. The thing that impresses me the most about him is that no matter what he is called on to do he does it well on either side of the ball.

Royal I’m not so sure about. He had a good rookie year and then has faded. I don’t see how he fits into Fox’s system.

Overall, I agree that Denver has a lot of needs.

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by Tuttifrutti on Oct 7, 2011 3:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Spencer Larsen

our shared religion aside, is one of my favorite all-time Broncos right there. When I was in Tucson, I heard nothing but good things about him from everyone and he is indispensable.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mcgeorge is spot on as usual. No worries.

by always broncs on Oct 7, 2011 5:18 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

We can resign most of these players if we want

These being the most important:

Ryan Clady ~ Brodrick Bunkely ~ Matt Prater ~ Britton Colquitt ~ Joe Mays ~ Brandon Lloyd ~ Wesley Woodyard ~ Derrick Harvey ~ Marcus Thomas (if he can show us something this year) ~ Matt Willis ~ Chris Clark ~ Cassius Vaughn ~ David Bruton. I’m torn on Spencer Larsen…. if I see more that I like, then I’d put him in this category.

Out of those 10 players, only 2 will be expensive (Clady ~ Lloyd ~ possibly Bunkley). The rest will be affordable. At all costs we should keep our young kickers intact. Other than these guys, I wouldn’t worry too bad about the rest.

Hunter – definitely replacable
Haggan – hasn’t really had an impact on the new D.
Royal – can’t stay healthy
Orton – need I explain
Quinn – see Orton
Hochstein – obvious
McBean – replacable
Fells – need to see more from him, two rooks are hot on his tail.
Ball – meh

Even though I know many of these guys stand a chance to progress, we can, and WILL, do better. You have to remember, that’s two drafts and free agent periods we have to replace some of these guys. Main thing though…. Clady MUST be resigned. Prater and Colquitt too!!!

John Fox knows more about football than you, having said that, Kyle Orton still sucks!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Oct 7, 2011 5:27 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Id sign Larsen back before I'd sign Vaughn, Clark, Willis, or Bruton

He’s showing good blocking skills and GREAT hands, like that low ball he picked off the ground from Orton

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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Especially with how terrible Vaughn has been this season, and Willis can barely crack the lineup when we are down two receivers, that says something.

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by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 11:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Vaughn certainly is showing why he went undrafted. I wonder how he would do in PR/KR? He returned that kickoff last year

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by Calikula on Oct 8, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Much ado about nothing

Every team goes through this every year. Including the Broncos.

Much our our team is built around FA and that isn’t going to change. I see nothing alarming at all. Dont most teams retool about 30-45% of ttheir roster every year?

I would like some past history to back this up or comparison to other teams.

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by Scrappy Bill on Oct 7, 2011 5:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually this turnover in the next two years

Is 4th highest in the NFL, the only teams higher are teams that really suck or are really old.

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by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

This should all but kill any hopes people have of trading up for Luck.

We can’t afford to not have picks in next years draft, and it’d take a few to move up.

by gobroncos47 on Oct 7, 2011 6:31 PM MDT reply actions  

True

If anything, if we’d somehow find ourselves in the position to draft first (which at this point I think is highly unlikely), we’d have to at least consider trading back for the huge bounty of picks we could get for that position.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 6:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

To paraphrase Nyjer Morgan

Bleep Andrew Luck!

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

No Way

I don’t think we’ll get the shot. But If we do, we’d be crazy not to pull the trigger.

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by Alaskan on Oct 8, 2011 8:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

QB I'd draft

Kellen Moore of Boise State.

He looks like a Drew Brees clone whenever I see him play. Highly accurate with his throws, can scramble and extend the play, can throw the deep ball. Only knocks on him are the same ones Brees had. Height. We could likely get him as a 2nd rounder, maybe even a third.

If Robert Griifin of Baylor comes out he’d be worth a second round pick too, imo.

by stevendbt on Oct 7, 2011 7:37 PM MDT reply actions  

I like Moore as a player

But he needs a great line, give the kid time he can shred anyone, at this point I don’t think we have the line to help him succeed.

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by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I disagree

His line a Boise isn’t that great. Small compared to most.

But the major point I want to make is is that there are more QB’s than Luck out there and a lot of them will fall into the second round where they will be good value, assuming of course that EFX decides Tebow is not their guy. Personally, I would like to see Tebow starting after the bye just to find out what we have in him. We know what we have in Orton, and Quinn would be starting if he was better than Orton, so why not give Tebow his shot? We need info on him and he needs game experience. Sitting him is a waste. Orton will not be resigned. We learned that when thy tried to trade him to Miami. Quinn look good at times but I’d hardly consider him starting material. He has career back-up written all over him.

At some point (probably after we have 6 losses or 7, Tebow should be playing, especially since he’s the only QB on the roster that is signed for the next two years.

I don’t hate Orton, but he isn’t the answer for the future of this team. After last year and four games this year that much should be obvious.

by stevendbt on Oct 7, 2011 8:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ryan Lindley of San Diego State

could be good as well

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Griffin III is darn impressive

Whenever a guy can have more touchdowns than incompletions during a season it’s an impressive stat. I’ve watched him in a couple games and he’s got a magic touch when it comes to laying the ball just where it needs to be.

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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I;d take him over Landry any day

Hell he looks better than most of the guys that got drafted in the first round this year with the exception of Newton.

by stevendbt on Oct 7, 2011 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing wrong with this picture

50% of contracts expiring over 2 years? Look, median contract is 4 years. Some stars (and old high picks) get longer contracts, but there are a lot of 3 years and less. We are no worse than average.

Now, some of the players will be easily resigned without much drama and for reasonable money. Some need to be replaced (McBean) or are very replaceable. We need to take care of QB position, pay Clady and decide what to do with Lloyd – that’s it. There’s no saying what EFX will do at QB. Clady is extended – he is too valuable. Lloyd – I think we try to extend him, because we don’t have a replacement on the roster. Decker is too raw. Bey Bey – has not shown that he can play yet and I have serious doubts about him. Just a suspicion that he may be happy to nurse his injuries for the duration of his contract, cashing in on his college efforts, and call it a career.

by si_ice on Oct 7, 2011 7:40 PM MDT reply actions  

What do you base that suspicion of Demaryius on?

Every thing about him coming out of college pointed to him being a hard working kid with a strong work ethic and good attitude. The way he’s rehabbed so quickly off such a bad injury only supports that notion. If you don’t think he gets healthy that’s one thing, but don’t say the kid will cash in when you have nothing to base it on, and probably are rooting against him because he was a McD pick or something ridiculous. I’m not saying he’ll be good, but you’re way off base with that comment.

by gobroncos47 on Oct 7, 2011 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't dount Thomas' work ethic

I do have suspicions as to whether he can stay healthy. Some guys are just jinxed. Also with the injuries he’s missed a lot of reps in practice and game. He played in a run heavy offense in college, so despite his talent he’s still very raw re: the NFL game. Maybe use him on go routes and as an red zone target but I doubt he is ready to be used as an every down receiver even when he gets healthy. And so far that’s been a big if.

by stevendbt on Oct 7, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

We are actually worse than average

We are 4th in the league in expected turnover in the next two years. Believe me if this amount of starter loss was normal I wouldn’t be worried about. This doesn’t even include trades and cuts, similar to what Fox and McD did when they came in, it could change even more than expected.

I do agree about DT, I don’t think he’ll ever really live up to being a starter, heck I didn’t like us drafting him, didn’t like him when I watched him play, and after seeing Decker, I think he’s got the potential to be a much better player, heck I think he’s the better player now.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Decker has much better stats than DT

so at this point it isn’t just opinion, its fact

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-Tom Jackson
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by Calikula on Oct 7, 2011 9:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

yawn

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams

by Whidbey Bronco on Oct 7, 2011 10:45 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Much less yawning if Orton is sitting on his coach vs starting as QB of the Broncos. So I agree with you.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 9, 2011 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Apprecitate all

the time and effort you put into your chart maxwellsdemon but common sense tells everyone that if Elway has us contending for the Super Bowl in 3 or 4 years most of the guys on the current roster will have been replaced. I predict that less than 12 players from the current roster will be around in 3 or 4 years because overall this is a terrible roster. Even our best players like Baily have become injury prone and miss a lot of games every season and even though I am a big fan of Baily’s I wish Elway would trade him for a high draft pick. Other than Eric Decker and Von Miller there are very few young talented players that Elway will keep long term so naturally this roster is going to be overhauled so Elway can build a championship roster but he has a looooooooooooong way to go yet and I am sure he knows it. But I think Elway will get the job done-we just have to give him time to replace the current roster with a lot better talent and he got off to a good start with the 2011 draft. It is a must that he has good or even great drafts in the next few years also and then fill in a few more holes in free agency. I also have a feeling Elway is going to make at least one blockbuster trade in the next year or so involving Baily or somebody on the current roster who has value for draft picks to help the rebuilding process.

by broncorob on Oct 7, 2011 10:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess Rahim Moore

doesn’t count as an impact young player, eh? Wesley Woodyard and Joe Mays are players, I’m sorry they’re not sexy names, they just play really well.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree that most of these guys will be gone in 2-4 years

But what worries me is the fact that Fox is going to have to teach a large number of players each season, and something great teams do is try to find continuity, as little turn over as possible. Now most of our roster isn’t great, but the point remains, if we keep turning over our roster at this rate, we could be in trouble.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

As long as we resign most of our starters

I think we should be ok resigning large amounts of depth guys.

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 8, 2011 7:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

trouble?

it is the intent and desire of efx to turn over 50% of this roster, and that gives us a chance in the future. can’t wait

taste my blintzkrieg!

the 3-man rush is an admission of lunacy, cowardice, and defeat-please stop.

by davecheffy on Oct 7, 2011 10:44 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm With You

Have to assume that efx has identified a handful of core players it wants to keep and everybody else goes if the Broncos are planning a return to respectability.

I can see Russia from my house.

by Alaskan on Oct 8, 2011 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

if D-Thomas plays well down the stretch

i could see Lloyd else where. The guy is going to want to test the market, while he has one. He’s not very young at all, so someone will over-pay him. I’d be happy with Decker and Bey Bey(if he shows potential)

Larsen, Prater, Woodyard, Bunkley and Mays all should be reasonable.

by Scotty Payne on Oct 7, 2011 10:46 PM MDT reply actions  

So far D-Thomas is mostly hype.

Rather have had Dez Bryant. Hopefully Thomas fulfills his promise, but until that happens….

by TakeFive on Oct 7, 2011 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

While I wouldn't complain about DT breaking out

Being stuck with an unproven, and injury prone, DT and Decker and Willis next season scares me.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 7, 2011 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

That scenario would most likely have us resign Royal, and possibly Lloyd if its at the right price

If Lloyd is demanding too much, were likely to draft another WR early next year. Which sucks, because we really need another CB, MLB, and DT, in that order. Its surprising that our D Line hasn’t been our weakness this year (sans the Raider game) our secondary has been getting torched. Do you think we should take a CB or DT first Max? Or BPA?

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Oct 8, 2011 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'd take a DT in the 1st

Because you usually can get good CB prospects in the 2nd, though it would come down to where we were in the draft and how deep each position was, if we were a top 10 pick, I’d rather trade down to get a late 1st rounder and some mid round picks. I do agree though, I don’t want to spend a pick at WR considering we have good chemistry and talent right now, rather just resign them, unless Lloyd wants us to break the bank.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 8, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

What position do the Broncos NOT need help at

Other than maybe safety and left tackle? The receivers are good but everybody has good receivers, they’re nothing special. No Fitzjerald’s.

Another good draft is needed.

by TakeFive on Oct 7, 2011 10:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Accidently hit the

send button but SunValleyNug you did a good job of summing up in one sentence what I posted above. The current roster is so bad that the Broncos need help almost at every position. And newbradfather I agree that Moore is a long term keeper also, I just didn’t take the time to list all the current players I think have a long term future with the Broncos even though it wouldn’t take me long to do the list sadly.

by broncorob on Oct 7, 2011 11:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Hate it when that happens.

by TakeFive on Oct 7, 2011 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

what about Von Miller, Elvis, Woodyard, Bailey, Moore, Bunkley, the young TEs.. We have more long term pieces than you mention.

We still need another TWO good drafts, but we have some above average talent on our roster.

Kyle Orton makes $8.8MM in 2011 to lead the league in INTs on a 1-3 team with the 22nd ranked scoring offense, 24th in yards per game? In his contract year! Staying such a course isn't rebuilding, it's just lunacy.

by McGeorge on Oct 9, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re-sign:

Woodyard
Lloyd
Colquitt
Prater
Mays
Royal
Willis
M. Thomas
Larsen
Fells
in that order.

by ThorpeBroncosfan on Oct 7, 2011 11:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Draft at least one defensive tackle very high

Now where have I heard that before? Oh yes every year since 2000

by mikebirty on Oct 8, 2011 2:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I like your plan Max

Will EFX go down as the 3 wise men or the 3 stooges?

by Baghdad on Oct 8, 2011 4:56 AM MDT reply actions  

We'll find out

Hoping for 3 wise men.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Oct 8, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Spelling

Is the spelling of resign Spencer Larsen the same as I resigned from my job?

by Baghdad on Oct 8, 2011 5:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Actually

if you resign from your job, it is spelled just like that, resign, if you re-sign, add the hyphen.

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by the new Bradfather on Oct 8, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

THANK YOU!

that bugs the crap out of me. i’m never sure if a guy’s gone or coming back when i read MHR. there’s a SOLID difference (i.e. he’s here still or he’s no longer here at all). i actually had a fanshot ready to go on just that subject. luckily i canned the stupid thing before posting it and getting flamed.

by oxmouth on Oct 8, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh crap

Whatever will we do with Ross Hochstein after this year. Maybe Stanley Daniels will be available?

Thanks for the info. I don’t see roster trouble here. Just normal turnover on an NFL roster. Actually having expring contracts can be a good thing because you have flexibility to bring in new talent. EFX Willing….

Von Miller doesn't sleep, he waits

by RockyMountainThunder on Oct 8, 2011 7:45 AM MDT reply actions  

Same here.

Keep Clady, Prater, Colquitt, Larsen, and Lloyd if you can. The rest will not be hard to replace.

As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"

by MrFNSunshine on Oct 8, 2011 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re-sign

Thanks it was bugging me

by Baghdad on Oct 8, 2011 12:24 PM MDT reply actions  

i kept think what does resign mean

" give up their position"?
then i was like ‘oh’

by Sergio AppleSeed on Oct 8, 2011 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Again, we are low on talent, so many players need to be replaced

Let’s talk about above average, not even elite. Do we have top-15 QB? No. Running back? Hell no. Wide receiver? Hell no. Tight End? Not even close, we don’t have a top-32 TE. So we are severely lacking in all skills positions on offense. We have an elite LT, who played inconsistently lately, but we can write it off as a lingering effects of injury for now. Kuper is great guard. The rest of the line is below average, but young and with potential.

Champ will retire sooner rather than later. Who else in defensive backfield is good? No other CB is above average. Safeties are no better than average. We have some quality at pass rush with Doom and Miller, but the rest of LB corps and DT are bad to average.

In the end, it is just too little top talent on the team to accomplish anything. I love our players and I’m attached to them. Like most of Broncos fans, I overrate our own. But the truth is, too many of them either need replacement or are nothing special and as such are very replaceable.

When a team is so bad in terms of talent, roster turnover is necessary to raise the talent level to where the team can compete.

by si_ice on Oct 8, 2011 6:03 PM MDT reply actions  

top 15 WR? hell no?
top 32 TE?

by Sergio AppleSeed on Oct 8, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think our defense is mid-ranked overall

total turnover does not foster player development imo

by Sergio AppleSeed on Oct 8, 2011 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Keep Larsen, otherwise I will have to change my signature line.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Oct 8, 2011 6:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Dont think it will be too hard to re-----sign these guys

maybe M thomas if he plays well
lloyd if he wants a bunch of molla
hopefully not bunkley

by Sergio AppleSeed on Oct 8, 2011 7:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Drafting BPA looks like a good strategy. I hate reaching for need.

I have to find a positive aspect of our high rate of turnover, so not having to bypass better players for a present position of need can be a silver lining.

I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.

by Arctic Bronco on Oct 9, 2011 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

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