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NFL Week 5: What The 'Wise Guys' Think Of Chargers And Broncos

The San Diego Chargers and Denver Broncos renew acquaintances on Sunday in a game that many see as a must-win for the Broncos.  Why it is a must win depends on who you ask.  For those that choose to look at the NFL week-to-week, the Broncos would be at 2-3, one game behind the Chargers for first place in the AFC West with a W.  For others, with Denver heading into their BYE next week, a win is a must simply to calm the rattled nerves of the fan base.

There has been a growing sentiment that the Chargers could be ripe for the picking.  Denver is a desperate team, playing in front of desperate fans.  The Chargers, while 3-1, haven't been great in playing a schedule that has consisted on wins against the Chiefs, Dolphins and Vikings.  To me, however, a line that has gone from Denver +6 all the way to Denver +3.5 is surprising to me, even if the Broncos are the fashionable upset pick this week.

Perhaps after winning a Super Bowl, it seems Philip Rivers likes nothing more than to crush the Broncos.  Rivers has played major minutes in 11 games against the Broncos since 2005, and the Chargers are 8-3 in those games.  The average score?  33 - 19.  If you look at the three wins for the Broncos, all could have a footnote beside the box score:

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  • In his first game against the Broncos, Rivers came into the game for the injured Drew Brees.  The Broncos won easily - 23-7 - in the final game of the 2005 season.
  • In 2008, the Chargers were beating the Broncos until a Jay Cutler fumble(A play that looked similar to Kyle Orton's drop against the Raiders) was incorrectly ruled an incomplete pass by Ed Hochuli.  The Broncos scored a touchdown, then converted the 2-point conversion for a 39-38 win.
  • In 2009, the Broncos beat the Chargers on Monday Night Football thanks to Eddie Royal's 2 returns touchdowns - one punt return and one kick-off return.

The other 8 games, however, have not been kind to the Broncos.  San Diego has scored piled up the points, scoring 367 in those 11 games.  The Chargers have had games of 52, 48, 41, 38, 35, 35, 33, and 32 against the Broncos, with games at SA Field in bold.  Conversely, the Broncos have 30 or more just twice over the span.  Frankly, it hasn't been close.

Rivers, himself, in those 11 games has been huge, throwing for over 3600 yards, 18 TDs and just 6 INTs.

So why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon? 

I asked the guys over at PreGame.com to give me their thoughts.  Pregame.com is the largest sports betting news site compliant with U.S. law, and have been featured by ESPN, USA Today, Wall Street Journal, and hundreds of other national outlets. Pregame.com has agreed to provide Mile High Report with exclusive insider analysis of how Las Vegas is looking at this week's Broncos game.  Needless to say, they think the Chargers are the 'Wise' move.

Vegas Runner (Follow on twitter: @VegasRunner)
With the Broncos having covered only ONCE in their last-10 meetings against the Chargers and coming in off a blow-out loss to the Packers, it was obvious the odds-makers would look to protect the books by sending out an inflated price for bettors wanting to back San Diego. There is no doubt the betting public/recreational bettors will be heavy on the Chargers and as a later game this match-up should attract the most lop-sided betting action on the entire NFL board come Sunday. But before that happens, books have received plenty of sharp money from multiple betting syndicates on the Broncos. This move from sharps is based on the inflated opening price coupled with a home dog in a divisional game and more importantly due to injury concerns for the Chargers. With Gates listed as out and both Jackson and Floyd not 100% if they play, the passing game should be limited. San Diego is only ranked 18th in rushing while the Broncos defensive has had more success against the run than the pass, ranking 14th in the league. Finally, even with all that sharp money being wagered throughout the week, the bookmakers will hope the wiseguys are on the right side. Because when it comes to the NFL, public money will almost always outweigh the sharp money.

Marco D'Angelo (Follow on twitter: @MarcoInVegas)
The Broncos return home after back to back road games but don't expect anything to change now that they are at home. The Broncos have had two glaring problems this season. When they are on offense they continue to turn the ball over. They now have 11 turnovers through 4 games. But the biggest problem of all is a pass defense that has been getting torched as they have given up 1000 yards thru the air in the last 3 games. Problem is 2 of those teams were Cincinnati with a rookie QB and Tennessee with a new QB still getting comfortable with his new team and a new offense. Last week Green Bay QB Rodgers put up 49 points against Denver. Phillip Rivers should have a Big Day on Sunday against this defense. San Diego wins this by 10.

Joe Gavazzi (Visit homepage: www.JoeGavazzi.com)
This line has dropped 2 ½ points since an opening number of -6. We gladly step in with the San Diego team that is on an 8-2 SU, ATS series run vs. their division rivals. There is no question the San Diego offense misses the versatility of Darren Sproles. The fact that Antonio Gates will miss another week is also not a positive. But the Chargers stat profile is again among the best in the league. They are out-gaining teams 416-298. Eventually, that translates into a better record than 1-3 Against the Spread. And, Philip Rivers is a far greater preference than Denver starter Kyle Orton. We use this figure more in baseball, but it is applicable in the NFL as well. It speaks to a signal callers leadership abilities. The concept is TRGS, a team's record in a game started by a pitcher or quarterback. In the case of Kyle Orton, that number is 4-17 Straight Up, 6-15 Against the Spread most recently. This is a Denver team whose talent level has not been significantly upgraded from the 4-12 Straight Up, 5-11 Against the Spread record of 2011. Eventually, respected first year head coach John Fox turns it around with a focus on an improved run game and defense. For now, they are allowing 28 points per game on 378 yards. Coming off a pair of road losses, including by a count of 49-23 last week vs. Green Bay a game in which they allowed 507 yards to the Packers, does not build confidence in this rebuilding team. Chargers, despite injuries, get a comfortable victory on Sunday.

RJ Bell (Follow on twitter: @RJinVegas)
Sometimes the lessons of the past change but we are not listening. For as long as I can remember convention has been that Denver is a strong home team. The numbers no longer back that up. At its most basic, a point spread is an expectation of the game. If you win Against the Spread, you've exceeded expectation. If you lose, you've fallen short. In the last 38 games at home, the Broncos have only covered 11. Far short of expectation. If you would have bet Denver the last 10 times vs. San Diego, you would have cashed only once. I'm not a big fan of the Chargers' questionable intangibles, but I'm less of a fan of backing the Broncos in this spot.

While we can take what is said with a certain grain of salt, remember - there are plenty of tall buildings being built in Las Vegas - that money comes from somewhere...

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My personal opinion is that the broncos are in trouble on sunday.

Even though the chargers have been less than world beaters against lesser foes. Denver is still not in their caliber yet. I don’t see a complete blow out but it won’t be that close either.

Courage is not the absence of fear. It is acting in spite of it.

by nw3030 on Oct 7, 2011 10:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Could be.

Forget about Tebow, fanboys. Our secondary is the biggest weakness on the team right now. A rookie second rounder like Andy Dalton (who is clearly going to be very, very good) had a field day with them despite the Bengals’ eventual loss.

Aaron Rodgers showed what an ELITE QB can do to us, barely breaking a sweat as he made the game look like a 7 on 7 training camp drill.

Phillip Rivers is merely a GREAT quarterback, but believe me that should be more than enough if we can’t mount a serious pass rush and knock him off his rhythm.

I think we can beat the Chargers, even with the personnel we will have on the field. But the Broncos are going to have to play far more disciplined than they have so far this year, and raise their game to a level I’m not sure they’re ready for yet.

Win or lose, Sunday will probably be an ugly game for Denver.

Play Tim Tebow immediately. That way, our defensive backs will improve.

by TheMastermind on Oct 7, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with the more disciplined part

but remember, Rivers has been almost as turnover-prone as Orton, this might be our week to get multiple interceptions. If we can get a pick six, I say we can win! Our offense can move the ball on the Chargers, even Miami’s paltry offense could.

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

remeber scheme and injuries also have a lot to do with performance

Against Cincy and TEN, I guaruntee Denver was scheming against run more than pass… when the opposing rusher is CJ or Benson and the QB Hass/Dalton, that is the smart move… make the passing offense beat you. TEN was able to, Cincy was not. We also were missing Doom and Bailey for both those games, who are probably the 2 biggest pieces in our pass defense. Both should be back on sunday.

Rodgers and GB are amazing… they can put 35 up against very good defenses, much less our mediocre one. Even dinged up at RB, they still have a more balanced offense than most teams. Scheme essentially becomes meaningless, because their talent depth means there will always be a mismatch, particularly in the receiving corp vs. our medicore-poor Champ-less DB corp.

SD, with a mediocre running game and injured receiving corp isn’t in the same league. I will be shocked if SD put up 30 points on us unless given short-fields due to turnovers or ST. Our offense is also very capable of putting up 20+ on a mediocre SD defense, so this game is eminently winnable. Doesn’t mean we will win, and the offense could also put up another 14point stinker… but this is more a coin flip than a sure thing eitherway.

by cjfarls on Oct 7, 2011 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

That's for sure

San Diego has had 3 of 4 home games and their victims are a combined 1-11, I believe, including two winless teams, the Vikes and Dolphins. When they went on the road, New England pummeled them

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

This game should tell us a lot.

The Chargers three wins this year come against teams with a combined record of 1-11 (Quite the cure for their typically dismal start). None of them have been blowouts. If the Chargers come into Mile High and beat us this early in the season, we’ll know that we currently deserve to be lumped together with the rest of the bottom feeders that the Chargers have lucked into playing early. We’ll have no excuses for this one, and at best our season will be on life support. If we can pull out the W, there might be hope for our season after all, since we’ll be facing those same three bottom feeders ourselves later in the season. For me, this is the point where we either turn it around and fight for the AFC West title, or we throw in the towel and start building for next year (cough bench Orton cough). And while I do hope we knock the Chargers on their butt and we should enjoy every second of every win we get this year; even if we do so this week, we have to remember that they’re not a top team right now. So while it would keep our season alive, we shouldn’t let it get to our heads too much. But still, it will be just enough to take a few steps back from the ledge that so many of us have been teetering on for the first quarter of the season.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 10:40 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Oh well

at least it will shut Chargers fans up about being an elite team, those tools deserve to rebuild and go nowhere

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

agree

the teeth gnashing here on MHR to me has been totally overblown. People seem to have a very hard time seperating descriptive occurences/events from prescriptive data.

We went 1-2 in essentially 3 coinflips against 3 mediocre/poor teams, while injured and with 2 uncharacteristically bad QB performances. If our QB had peformed to his career average level, we are 3-0 in those games. But he put up 2 sub-70 QBR games… tough to win if that happens, and especially if the running game isn’t helping at all (like vs. OAK).

Then we got blown out by the best team int he NFL… we’re not in their league… but we knew that pre-game, so why does all of sudden that fact post-game matter so much?

The other side of that is that descriptive events, in aggregate, eventually become prescriptive data. Did the QB underperform because he “been figured out”… distinctly possible. If that is the case, the career average stats will continue to plummet like they have over his past ~6 games, and we’ll know its time to move on.

This is a good week to figure that out, because it is a week that essentially can be seen as “typical” (we play the team 2X per year, and they are likely neither great nor horrible).

by cjfarls on Oct 7, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

note that

this also doesn’t mean whether this game is a W-L will tell us anything here.

W-L could be horribly non-prescriptive (either way) if we win or lose because of non-predictive events like ST returns, etc.

But our performance overall, win or lose, could/should hopefully tell us how we stack up with the rest of the league this year.

by cjfarls on Oct 7, 2011 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is also fair

I am an analyst/statistician by trade, but give me a win and I’m happy at work Monday, heck all week!

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree on all three

2x clearsighted cj.
1x this engineer will sure be happy with you, Bradfather, if we can W.

"Aggression, discipline, accountability, effort" Brian Dawkins 9/29/2009
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing." Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Oct 7, 2011 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's fine with me!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

This chemist will also be happy all week

Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.

by DE_BroncoFan on Oct 7, 2011 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree

It’s not as simple as a win or a loss, but watching how we play should definitely still put the rest of the season into context.

None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal

by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Oct 7, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent commentary in this whole string

but particularly by cjfaris. I would green it. SD is vulnerable. Let’s see if the Broncos can take advantage. Fewer turnovers and penalties by the Broncos should do it.

If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.

by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 7, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Walterfootball.com has us as a 3 unit play with +4 (which is the current spread)

Walt’s been making me lots of money these last few years, but has sucked badly this year.

I’m going to trust him once again and go with the Broncos. One has to trust that this years bad streak has to come to an end.

I’m not drinking koolaid here – but I think the Denver players come out fighting and I believe they will keep it close to at least cover at +4

What would Blackie Lawless do?

by British Bronco on Oct 7, 2011 10:43 AM MDT reply actions  

Looking at that picture of Rivers, he must be an inspiration...

….. for anyone who has ever been teased about “throwing like a girl”.

Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."

by margabelle on Oct 7, 2011 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

he sure whines like a little girl

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Only game I'll see in person this year.

Bringing the wife. My predictions:
- Orton shines.
- Timmy gets a rushing TD.
- Champ gets an INT.
- Von Doom have 2.5 sacks.
- Broncos win 27-24.

"Aggression, discipline, accountability, effort" Brian Dawkins 9/29/2009
"Life is a daring adventure or nothing." Helen Keller
"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Oct 7, 2011 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

works for me!

I’d rather have a blowout, close games drive me nuts, albeit they are exciting!

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Oct 7, 2011 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

PI, let's hope your wife is a good luck charm

and all your predictions come true or even better. If they do, take her out to dinner and let her drive home because you will be too drunk to do so.

If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.

by OrangeandBluesBros on Oct 7, 2011 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Perhaps after winning a Super Bowl, it seems Philip Rivers likes nothing more than to crush the Broncos.

The sentence sounds like Philip already won the Super Bowl. Perhaps he has been hanging around with “The lord of no rings” too much.

Victor Frankl:

What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.

Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.

by wyoeng on Oct 7, 2011 11:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Chemist

Maybe the chemist could come up with some good performance enhancers for the Broncos.

by Baghdad on Oct 7, 2011 12:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree with you absolutely, Zap.

Number one has to be making teams worry about playing in Denver.

If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by Trinidad Jack on Oct 7, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

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