Logic

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 1:09 AM MDT

This is not an Anti-Tebow post. This is not a Pro-Tebow post. This is not a Tebow post. This is a post that asks a few questions about you as a fan and your expectations. I want to know what you expect of your team...

Do you have patience?

Denver has been a team who has competed in the post season fairly regularly prior to 2006. As fans we are spoiled because we want the post season. That however wasn't enough after a while, we wanted Super Bowls and that demand I personally believe helped in the decision to draft Cutler. How many AFC Championships could Jake Plummer get us to before that would be unacceptable? We always want more as people and as fans. Not to be political but that is part of the reason we are in the mess we are in as Americans. We want more, more more. As Bronco fans we have done the same thing. We want more, more ,more. That's alright but lets think about some things here:

We have been devoid of talent for a while.

We have had a few guys who have had talent but we had a roster that was almost completely devoid of talent outside of maybe 6 players since 2005. Our roster has been in complete shambles. Lots of prospects, lots of potential but we have never had a team that could field 22 players of SOLID talent. The Green Bay Packers are starting to do this. Not superstars at every position but solid players who know their role and do it. The Packers built through the draft, Made use of every pick finding guys who fit the scheme. It wasn't a one year thing it was over the course of many years. Which brings me to my next point.

We have to be ready for some bad seasons.

My brother is a packers fan. He is also a level-headed individual who knows what it means to cheer for a team that can not win more than 6 games. They then used those picks to address each and every position on the team. They brought in some free agents, but guys who could assist the team in teaching young players their role on a team. Did they hit gold every time? NO but they went back and rebuilt each time finding guys of value where they could. All this is good but you have to be ready to watch your team get 3-6 wins.

You have to give your young players time.

Ok, a little about Tim Tebow. I don't know if he can succeed in the NFL. He has some work to do and I think he will put the effort in to fix what he is asked to. The thing is, as a coaching staff and a team you have to be willing to invest the time and effort into a guy like Tebow to make it work. We have used the, player A sat behind player B and look how he turned out in multiple fashions. Tebow doesn't need excuses, he needs opportunity. He needs opportunity to learn, fix and practice good solid fundamentals. The question becomes does Denver feel like they want to invest the time? I don't know and we wont know until Tebow is cut, traded or we draft a QB high. I will say this though and this is my only stance on Tebow now,

"If we do not invest any time in Tebow, it shows me that this staff from Bowlen down, does not want to invest time into players and develop them. We want 'NFL ready' players and we are destined to dwell in 7 or less wins like the Lions did for so long."

Matt Millen was a decent player, Horrible Front Office guy. I hope that in five years we aren't saying the same about John Elway. I want to see some investment made in players by our staff or we look to go the way of the Bengals, Raiders, Lions, and Bills of so many seasons.

So the Questions to ask yourself are:

Do You Have Patience?

Do You Accept Denver's Lack of Depth/ Talent?

Are You Prepared to Root Through Losing Seasons?

Are You Willing to Invest Time into Young Players?

Answer in the comments and as always-

GO BRONCOS!

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i'd rather have Plummer now than anyone we have currently

patience?

yes. impatience got us where we are today.

accept the lack of talent?

yes and no. i accept that we will not be winning when orlando franklin is sucking hardcore (yes he’s been alright, last game was horrible) and any team that started marquand manuel and nate jones needs to be re-examined. however, i see some improvement with the drafting of von miller, having erik decker, and……who else? ryan clady? oh……….i see what you did there.

root through losing seasons?

absolutely. while my earliest seasons of memory were always positive, im not going to abandon them at weakness. im a Broncos fan!

am i willing to invest time in young players?

yes, and the reason is we don’t have much else to look forward to. listen, we aren’t winning many games this year, if any more. ok, a but dramatic, but you can see where im coming from. as Broncos fans, we’re not gonna be happy if the only thing we look for is wins.

im going to the pats game with my pats fan brother. if i go in there looking to enjoy the game from a winning perspective, i should just rip up the ticket now. what i will be looking for is individuals progressing. no wins. not expecting anything other than watching some young blood develop. it’s the only thing ive got to hold on to at this point.

POP POP!!!

by Tollyvolley127 on Nov 1, 2011 1:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs

Balance in our approach of our team is necessary

I think we as fans feel we have a bigger voice than we do. It was re-inflated by the fact that Kyle Orton was benched after we called for it.

John Elway and John Fox are doing a dis-service I feel to the fans by stating things like “this week Tim is the QB” which doesn’t show a unified effort by the team.

I want Elway to come out and say it “We are evaluating Tim Tebow thrrough the rest of the season and will continue to evaluate him through the off season.” That’s all I ask, get behind the QB under contract and let the other guys walk.

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions

For me, the hardest thing is caring less. We are really bad and since we are bad, I should simply care less about the 2011 Broncos.

Tebow is so likable, it’s hard to care less. To be less invested. I had a hard time sleeping on Sunday night.

I’d like to be able to reconcile how bad we are and just accept that the Top 10 will be our draft home after 2011 and likely 2012 as well if we take a rookie QB with our next first round pick. This isn’t easy for me.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Nov 1, 2011 7:33 AM MDT reply actions

there is the rub my friend

I don’t want to worry about QB this year. Did Green Bay really know what they had in Aaron Rodgers? no but they built a team DESPITE him. With Rodgers on the roster they still drafted 3 QB’s in the last five years.

We need to build a team that despite who the quarterback is can win. 2000 you coudl probably have plugged ANY QB into the Baltimore Ravens, 2002 same with Tampa Bay. I want to be at a point where our evaluation of a player like Tebow does not hurt our bottom line (wins).

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions

I don’t throw my remote control anymore or take hour long walks after a loss like sunday’s, but i still care and will care even if we have some losing seasons ahead, which i don’t think will happen. Go Broncos!!!

To be the man, you got to beat the man!!

by wisco on Nov 1, 2011 7:53 AM MDT reply actions

a wise man cause TV's are expensive now

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions

Cycles

In sports as well as life, everything goes in cycles… it’s unavoidable and as persistent as the universe itself.

These are the moments we must go through in order to appreciate what’s to come… and it will eventually come, even if it’s 50 years from now. And this is how we were able to appreciate Back-to-Back Championships… after all the futility in the ’60’s and early ’70’s, after losing 4 Superbowls in 4 tries in the late ’70’s and the ’80’s. Without those years, those Championships wouldn’t (really COULDN’T) mean as much.

Yes, we’re gonna need patience… a whole lotta patience… but this is how the herd is culled from having a bunch of “wanna-be”s to having true died-in-the-wool hard-core fans. And when that day comes again… and it will (hopefully I’m still breathing by then)… we can thoroughly enjoy it, once again, as a tight-knit group.

Take pride, Broncos fans (you know who you are), a fine steel sword is not made without being beaten and folded many times… and usually, the more it is beaten and folded, the better the quality of blade. So it is with everything else.

May the wanna-be’s and haters wither!

GO BRONCOS

Bleeding Orange and Blue for 44 years

by Davus.X on Nov 1, 2011 9:32 AM MDT reply actions

You gotta feel for the parents that are introducing kids to Bronco football. Elway was my first QB and we were a playoff team from day one of my memory.

Any 8 year old must think being a Bronco fan really sucks.

I was there!

by McGeorge on Nov 1, 2011 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions

Elway was my first

but Jake is my favorite! :-)

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions

Craig Morton was my first

I remember listening to my older brother shouting that it was blasphemous when they gave Craig’s number to John. I think that worked out pretty nice, though. Elway is now my brother’s favorite Bronco ever. Between Elway and Morton, good ol’ #7 was pretty good to us for lots of years.

Bleeding Orange and Blue for 44 years

by Davus.X on Nov 1, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions

yes but we can also be competent with our losing years

if we spend every five years drafting a quarterback we’re in for a big hurt.

Elway wasn’t perfect ever but his coaches took time to teach him what he needed to fix and that is all I ask him to do now as an executive. Find guys who are willing to invest in the players we draft, through their whole rookie contract. If it doesn’t work then you cut em or opt not to resign but we need a staff willing to teach and invest time in our players.

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions

I totally agree, Jon!

We have to be smart as an organization.

You said it in a post below, that Elway should go if he’s not on board with investing in our players… I totally agree with that, too. If he’s so blind that he can’t see that, then I’ll hold the door for him, myself.

I know you know this, but if you take a look around the league it’s totally obvious that the teams that cultivate their players are the ones with real sticking power and they are the closest we have to “dynastic football” in this day and age.

I hope that EFX can see what we see.

Bleeding Orange and Blue for 44 years

by Davus.X on Nov 1, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions

Absolutely Spot On!

“If we do not invest any time in Tebow, it shows me that this staff from Bowlen down, does not want to invest time into players and develop them…… I want to see some investment made in players by our staff….”

That is what I am afraid of. Not the fact that we have a lot of Key Positions to fill, but I am concerned about whether this Head Coach is willing to build a team. He just doesn’t seem like the “patient” type. I fear that he is going to be in a hurry to find temporary quick fixes that won’t last, or won’t pan out in the end. I hope that I am wrong.

I also think that we have all forgotten the fact that we lost the entire off season this year. It is easy to forget half way through the season, but I believe that Tebow would have benefited a great deal from the coaching he lost over the summer.

I am very patient…I hope the HC is as well.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Nov 1, 2011 9:54 AM MDT reply actions

You don’t like seeing Raheem Moore benched already and then seeing our secondary give up two horrendously long TD passes in back to back home games?

I was there!

by McGeorge on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions

LOL

I think that you have hit on an excellent example of the impatience I see in the “not so foxy Fox” way of coaching!

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Nov 1, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions

yes indeed

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions

I didn't like Moore benched period

if he put the smack down on fools like he did in pre-season I bet you we wouldn’t have given up either of those! I’d help pay his fines just to watch him smack fools like that again. McClain got blasted by Steve Gregory in a much similar way last night and I bet there’s no fine levied

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions

If our coach isn't the paitent type than we need a new one

i dont care if its head/ offensive/ defensive coaches they signed on to a sinking ship in order to bail it out.

this isnt madden where you can turn down the AI and change all the player settings to 99. Effort needs to be put in to make us a winning team again and * WARNING POSSIBLE BLASPHEMOUS SPEAK *

If Elway isn’t on board with investing in our players he needs to go to!

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions

answers (like your post)

Yes

Yeah, but i don’t like it.

Kinda, as long as we show improvement and more wins.

Young players yes, Time Tebow no, had enough of it and his poor play, to improve through draft lets get a new qb. (Landry Jones)

by bro on Nov 1, 2011 2:50 PM MDT reply actions

so you want to develop young players but tebow has had his 6 games?

do you see the flaw in the logic you used there?

Davis and Smith to the Hall!

"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown

by Jon Tollerud on Nov 1, 2011 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions

THis is a great post to make us all think as a united fanbase

If anybody answers NO to any of these 4 questions, we are in the wrong way. We need to realize that time is needed to build a team… and also to figure correctly who is and who isn’t developing properly, but always having patience to see it happens without being an accommodate franchise.

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 2, 2011 1:47 AM MDT reply actions