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Some Clarification is in Order: The "Chunk" Offense

When I started this series I set out to help fans better understand parts of the game and clear up some areas that were misunderstood and I feel I've accomplished that. But I want to get back to more basic aspects rather than some of the topics I've discussed in the past. The first post in this series was on defining what "mobile" "scramble" and "pocket presence" meant. This article will look at a topic that many fans have discussed and debated in recent weeks. It has to do with our offense. Now many ideas are being tossed around, Spread, Option, Shotgun and so on, but they really don't mean much until you put them together with what we see on game day, and that is what I wanted to look at.

We are going to briefly look at other types of offenses then delve into the offense that is being worked in by the Broncos and it's history. As I said this has been a topic of heated discussion so I hope I am thorough enough to get my point across, but simple enough to keep everyone's attention. This maybe my most thorough study yet, and most complex. I am relying on a number of statistics, watched hours of game footage, talked with former coaches and people who have connections within Dove Valley. This is purely the skeleton of the offense, the basics, there is much more, but it would require more space, a patience, than can be given here. I hope this piece is educational, because I can tell you I learned a lot developing and describing an offense that has largely been ignored.

So for those of you willing to journey with me, let's go.

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A Brief Break Down of Offenses:

Now there are a number of offenses and styles in the NFL. The West Coast Offense changed the NFL and how both offenses and defenses game plan. The WCO focused on side to side motion rather than deep passing, it required precision and quick play. Martz's Greatest Show on Turf is a variant of the WCO, though it focus's more on a cerebral quarterback and down field passing. Both emphasise ball control and low turnovers. There are also the Walsh-Brown and Croyell variants, both of which have different takes on the WCO.

The Run and Shoot is another major offense that is taking hold in the NFL. Many fans know it as the Spread Offense. These types of offenses rely on a quarterback to make very smart and quick decisions before the snap. Then the quarterback needs to put the ball in a small space. This type of offense relies on a smart, accurate quarterback who can quickly adjust. There are other variants, the Spread Option, Pistol and Wildcat offenses, but they are almost never used as a full time offense in the NFL.

There are also older, archaic offense that are extremely run heavy such as the Run-to-Daylight used by Lombardi, and other "smash mouth" run offenses like those used in the early days of the league. But in a recent study done with 2008 offenses, they found that just shy of 80% of playbooks were the same with the exception of a few coaches. That means that most coaches run the same plays just with slight variants or in differing situations. The exceptions to this were the rare exceptions of Andy Reid, Tony Dungy and  Peyton Manning, Bill Belichick and Josh McDaniels, Mike Martz and Mike Holmgren.

How Quarterbacks Fit Into These Offenses:

Some quarterbacks are successful in one offense but struggle in another. Rich Gannon is an example of that, as is Jake Plummer. Kyle Orton is another example who was much more successful in the McDaniel's Spread Variant than he did under Ron Turner in Chicago. Every quarterback is different, some are at such levels they could succeed in almost any offense, but most quarterbacks are meant to succeed in one offense. When analyzing a rookie, this is what coaches and GM's look at, whether the quarterback fits their current system or might only require minor changes. Andy Dalton fit's perfectly into a WCO because he's smart and quick on his feet and the offense won't play to weakness of an average arm. Dalton wouldn't have the same success as Cam Newton is having in Carolina's offense, which is more designed around the Air Croyell, going downfield more. While Dalton seems like a good prospect, he lacks the arm strength to make a lot of deep throws and the mobility to compensate for the poor offensive line play.

Look at Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, no one would doubt these are among the best quarterbacks of our time, if not of all time. But they might not be as successful in each others offenses. Brady lacks Manning's arm strength and would struggle to go down field as often as Manning does while Manning's abilities wouldn't fit into Brady's short, super accurate passing game. No one is taking away from either players skills, they just don't fit perfectly into other systems. Manning and Dungy pretty much built an offense together, as did Drew Brees and Sean Payton because they had unique strengths and weaknesses. Now obviously some quarterbacks are better than others, but to say Drew Brees is a bad quarterback because he he can't run the same offense as Manning is ignorant. This idea is the basis for the belief that Tim Tebow, like almost every quarterback, can't succeed in every system.

This is where the "Chunk" Offense comes in.

The "Chunk" Offense:

Now the "Chunk" Offense, or the CO, has been around for some time, or at least parts of it has. Certain players played parts the part of the CO. But it came to rise by an effort of Bill Cowher and Bruce Arians for their young quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. During Roethlisberger's first two season the offense was entirely focused on the standard ground and pound offense, relying on Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis to carry the offense and Roethlisberger not losing the game. He didn't even top 20 touchdowns till his fourth season, but in 2006 and 2007, after judging and determining they had something in Roethlisberger, they set out to create an offense that played to Roethlisberger's strengths. Cowher and Arians drew heavily on Andy Reid's offense that  he built around Donovan McNabb, although with a different mindset because they didn't have the receiving talent Reid had in Philly.

While these two teams built varying offenses, they were founded on similar quarterbacks and similar ideals. Let's take a look at these two offenses. Let's look at some of the tenets of each offense and compare them to what the Broncos are currently running and how, or if, they play to Tebow's strengths.

Roethlisberger-Arians CO:

We are only going to look at Roethlisberger's and the Steeler's offense from 2007 till 2010 since the offense ran prior to 2007 was vastly different than what was run after that. So with that in mind, let's look at some key points of this offense:

  • Strong use of the quarterback in the red zone
  • While the Steeler's offense was traditionally built on a strong run game, but since 2007 the role of the running game has lost significance and plays less of a role in the offense. Since the change in 2007 here is the breakdown:

Year Rush Yds% of Total OPass Yds% of Total OTotal Yds
2007 2168 41.4% 3071 58.6% 5239
2008 1690 33.9% 3301 66.1% 4991
2009 1793 30.2% 4148 69.8% 5941
2010 1924 34.8% 3601 65.2% 5525

 

  • We see a large percentage of long passes. Since 2007, Ben Roethlisberger has ranked 5th in passes that go longer than 20 yards in the air. 23.7% of all his passes go 20+ yards down field, about one in four.
  • A Reliance on strong wide receivers in the middle to create space and hold onto the ball. Hines Ward is one huge reason for this success. On the outside they like big receivers who can go up an fight for the ball and having these receivers they can compensate for a lower level of accuracy.
  • Quarterbacks will take a high level of sacks but they are seen as a reliable risk due to the quarterbacks size and mobility to buy time.
  • Along with this comes one of the biggest factors of the CO, the difference between yards per attempt and yards per completion.
    - Y/C is generally a bad statistic because a QB can go 1 of 30 for 99 yards so his Y/C is 99 yards. That is why yards per attempt is much more useful, it would show the QB's worth a bit better with 3.3 Y/A.
    - Despite this comparing Y/C to Y/A is a good way to look at what type of quarterback you have. Let's compare two QB's:


    Y/A Y/C Difference
    QB 1 7.9 12.4 4.5
    QB 2 7.1 8.2 1.1

       - We can tell a lot about these two quarterbacks. We can tell QB 1 is less accurate but uses longer passes more often. While QB 2 is more accurate but uses shorter passes.

  • Within the Roethlisberger-Arians CO the difference is very large. QB 1 is Ben Roethlisberger. The average NFL QB has a difference of 2.7. This is because accuracy isn't key in this offense. While Roethlisberger is a fairly accurate quarterback, the difference between Y/A and Y/C shows that missed passes shows a drop off for each missed pass.
  • The last thing that the Roethlisberger-Arians CO is built on is a metric put together by Pro Football reference known as Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (ANY/A). This takes into account sacks, touchdowns and interceptions. Within this system that focuses on high TD%, low INT% and high yards per attempt difference shows up in a high ANY/A.
  • Here's Roethlisberger's statistics, including Y/A, Y/C, and ANY/A, I also bolded all stats that are key signs of the CO:

Roethlisberger               
Year Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A Y/C Difference Y/G Sk Sk% ANY/A % Deep
2007 65.3% 3154 32 7.9% 11 2.7% 83 7.8 11.9 4.1 210.3 47 10.4% 6.5 22.9%
2008 59.9% 3301 17 3.6% 15 3.2% 65 7 11.7 4.7 206.3 46 8.9% 5.2 22.4%
2009 66.6% 4328 26 5.1% 12 2.4% 60 8.6 12.8 4.2 288.5 50 9.0% 7.1 23.3%
2010 61.7% 3200 17 4.4% 5 1.3% 56 8.2 13.3 5.1 266.7 32 7.6% 7.4 26.3%
Average 63.4% 3496 23 5.3% 11 2.4% 66 7.9 12.4 4.5 243 44 9.0% 6.6 23.7%

 

Reid CO:

Many of the major factors in the Reid CO are similar to the one run in Pittsburgh so I won't delve into the similar items, I'll just mention them later:

  • While the Roethlisberger offense was built around tough, possession WR's on the inside and large, quick WR's on the outside, the Reid CO prefers quick inside WR's, large tight ends and possession players on the outside who cut inside to make catches.
  • The quarterback in the red zone is still important but not nearly at the level that is used in Pittsburgh. Rather they are used more heavily in the middle of the field.
  • Rather than rely on a strong actual run game, running backs are used in the screen game to supplement and simulate a run game. Quick running backs are key to this success. They nearly double the percentage of total yardage gained by running backs in the passing game compared to other teams in the league:

Year Rush Yds% of Total OPass Yds% of Total OPass Yrds to RB's% of Total OTotal Yds
2000 1882 37.6% 3124 62.4% 669 13% 5006
2001 1778 36.1% 3145 63.9% 880 18% 4923
2002 2200 39.3% 3404 60.7% 751 13% 5604
2003 2015 40.0% 3020 60.0% 847 17% 5035
2004 1639 29.2% 3979 70.8% 795 14% 5618
2005 1432 28.0% 3677 72.0% 702 14% 5109
2006 1984 32.5% 4119 67.5% 955 16% 6103
2007 1974 34.5% 3755 65.5% 858 15% 5729
2008 1697 30.3% 3911 69.7% 726 13% 5608
2009 1637 28.6% 4089 71.4% 629 11% 5726

 

  • Here's McNabb's statistics, including Y/A, Y/C, and ANY/A:

McNabb               
Year Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A Y/C Difference Y/G Sk Sk% ANY/A % Deep
2000 58.0% 3365 21 3.7% 13 2.3% 70 5.9 10.2 4.3 210.3 45 7.3% 4.8 19.3%
2001 57.8% 3233 25 5.1% 12 2.4% 64 6.6 11.3 4.7 202.1 39 7.3% 5.5 21.8%
2002 58.4% 2289 17 4.7% 6 1.7% 59 6.3 10.8 4.5 228.9 28 7.2% 5.6 21.1%
2003 57.5% 3216 16 3.3% 11 2.3% 59 6.7 11.7 5 201 43 8.3% 5.4 22.7%
2004 64.0% 3875 31 6.6% 8 1.7% 80 8.3 12.9 4.6 258.3 32 6.4% 7.9 24.3%
2005 59.1% 2507 16 4.5% 9 2.5% 91 7 11.9 4.9 278.6 19 5.1% 6.1 21.7%
2006 57.0% 2647 18 5.7% 6 1.9% 87 8.4 14.7 6.3 264.7 21 6.2% 7.7 20.6%
2007 61.5% 3324 19 4.0% 7 1.5% 75 7 11.4 4.4 237.4 44 8.5% 6.1 18.4%
2008 60.4% 3916 23 4.0% 11 1.9% 90 6.9 11.4 4.5 244.8 23 3.9% 6.3 20.5%
2009 60.3% 3553 22 5.0% 10 2.3% 60 8 13.3 5.3 253.8 35 7.3% 6.9 22.9%
Average 59.4% 3193 21 4.7% 9 2.1% 74 7.1 12.0 4.9 238 33 6.8% 6.2 21.3%

 

  • You could also compare Vick's numbers as well in the system because the principles remain the same.

Similarities:

  • Both take high numbers of sacks that are justified, hopefully, due to the mobility and size of the quarterbacks.
  • Both have high differentials between Y/A and Y/C. They also have a high fluctuation in their ANY/A.
  • Both use their QB's in the red zone or in the middle of the field. In both offenses the quarterback's mobility is a factor the defense takes into account.
  • Both use a large number of deep passes, with both Roethlisberger and McNabb ranking among the top in the league each year. To further emphasize this point, Vick, Batch and Dixon, during their limited playing time also support this tenant.
  • Both don't require high accuracy, as shown by our ANY/A and Y/C - Y/A study.
  • Along with lower accuracy requirement, consistency will also be low, also shown in the play calling and Y/C - Y/A.

There are some  that may say "so what?" Well these basic foundations for the CO are contradictory to most major offenses in the NFL today. While some teams may have bits and pieces (Detroit, Carolina and Tampa Bay run an offense that is shifting towards this, and Green Bay runs this though accuracy and consistency plays a much bigger role in their offense) but none run it like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Now the Reid CO is a variant of the WCO that has shifted and the Roethlisberger-Arians CO is also a variant yet both are coming to the same conclusion, and both have been wildly successful. Between Roethlisberger and McNabb you have four Super Bowl appearances and seven Pro Bowls. Add Michael Vick, who also is playing in the Reid CO, you add another Pro Bowl visit in that system. Oh and the record for a player in these two systems is among the best of the decade, Roethlisberger-Arians (40-18) and the Reid CO (101-53-1). These systems work.

Tebow and The "Chunk" Offense:

Many here have been trying to say Tebow can be this or that and that's fine to make predictions, but I've found, as have others, that it's better to just watch Tebow and then let him build his own style and see where it fits. You could tell instantly that Dalton would do well in a WCO, it wasn't hard, and watching Tebow we can also tell what system he'd do well in. Now like we talked about with Brady, Manning, Dalton, Newton and every other quarterback, saying Tebow is one type of quarterback isn't a bad thing, it's saying he fits best in that system. Coaches, GM's and fans do it all the time and they do it accurately. And if you look at Tebow and the CO, you can see they were made for each other. Let's look at a few items:

  • Tebow has the highest sack percentage of any quarterback in the NFL currently but has the mobility and size to compensate for it by helping the play stay alive and running the ball.
  • Here's Tebow's stats and his Y/C and Y/A difference is included and is very high:

Tebow               
Year Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A Y/C Difference Y/G Sk Sk% ANY/A % Deep
2010 50 654 5 5.1% 3 3.7% 50 8 16 8 72.7 6 6.8 6.7 32.9%
2011 46.4 536 6 6.2% 1 1.0% 42 5.5 11.9 6.4 89.3 15 13.4 4.6 33.0%
Average 48.2 595 5.5 5.7% 2 2.4% 46 6.75 14.0 7.2 81 10.5 10.1 5.7 33.0%

 

  • Tebow is among the most used red zone quarterbacks.
  • Tebow has lead the league the last two seasons in deep passing percentage.
  • Tebow's accuracy is seen as one of his biggest flaws but in the CO it isn't a priority or as big an issue, though there is a basic standard to be met in the NFL, but 60% isn't required in the CO like it would in other offenses.

Currently the Broncos and Tim Tebow are running the "Chunk" Offense. They are calling plays that benefit the CO, their use of running backs is meant to allow for bigger plays down field. Since the running game isn't used a specific way in the CO, the fact we are relying on it at times means little. Also some other little things lend credence that we are running this offense. The first is the number of yards through the air a player throws for. This is total yards minus yards after the catch divided by completions. Tebow ranks in the top 5 in that category, meaning his passes usually go farther down the field than most quarterbacks.

Up to this point the Broncos seem to be making the adjustment to the "Chunk" Offense after Kyle Orton was benched. Now many will say "But I thought we were making the transition to the Spread?" That's partially true, the formations we are using are largely Spread Option based, but that isn't what is important, what is important is the play calling from those formations. Philadelphia and Pittsburgh both run out of different formations, but both use the same basic offensive game play, the CO. That's one of the things about the CO is it can be run from a variety of formations. What is key is that from a variety of offense formations the goals are the same. In the Spread Option, which we are running quite a bit of, we use Tebow's mobility and a strong run game to set up a lot of deep passes. The Spread Option maximizes Tebow's skills, while I prefer we don't run it the whole game, using it heavily allows for more success in the deep passes due to the defense being forced to keep a spy or more in the box.

The Broncos are finding success from the "Chunk" Offense, it tailors to Tim Tebow's strengths, and it seems to be working, I don't see a down side.

Well for those of you who made it through, well done. I hope this piece was educational, because I can tell you I learned a lot developing and describing an offense that has largely been ignored. I received a lot of help from those with coaching experience as well as those who follow the Broncos for a profession, so this is also rooted on behind-the- scenes information as well. This is likely the Broncos offense of the future, so I figured it would be best to learn about it.

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Nice write up pal

It’s so cool to see where all these styles of thinking/playing came from. Everything is borrowed nowadays in the NFL.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 12, 2011 10:40 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks for your thoughts

It was really interesting to watch early games of McNabb and Roethlisberger versus their later years, it’s cool to see them develop along with their offenses.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

oh yeah

The early Roethlisberger year Steelers were unstoppable, even with their young QB scoring less than 20 TD’s a year. There was something about Big Ben to me that I just knew he’d succeed when they replaced Maddux (???) with him. He looked so good in that preseason.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!

by PaleHorse78 on Nov 12, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah

you could see he was going to be a force that dominated other teams like he dominated drunken women!

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by Broncs55 on Nov 12, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions  

it’s better to just watch Tebow and then let him build his own style and see where it fits.

that’s the crux, right? i have a feeling that when the season ends, the broncos still won’t know what to do with tim. he’s a player that you either get rid of or sell out for—all out chunk or no chunk at all. personally, if he keeps showing improvement i’m hugely interested, although i don’t think Elfoxx is.

honestly, from a pure entertainment perspective (NFL isn’t brain science, right?) i lean toward playing this crazy tebow thing out if for no other reason than to watch a team totally blow up a copycat institution. i’ve never been a huge college football fan but i find myself getting more and more drawn to it because it feels like it’s more about being creative and finding the best way to win a football game than it is doing “the system”. play ball. go chunk.

thanks max! good write up again.

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by oxmouth on Nov 12, 2011 10:43 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks for your thoughts Ox

And you are right, it’s very complicated and maybe Tebow just doesn’t fit the offense McCoy and Fox want to employ long term, so maybe he might be out, doesn’t mean he’s bad, just might not fit what EFX are looking to do. Either way we’ll know better after the season ends.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

i’d have trouble passing on barkley. if he’s there or we could get him i’d say do it. that said, i’d wager that tebow’s going to make the Elfoxx decision agonizing because if we don’t keep him he could very well end up with a team that sells out for him and ends up winning a lot in a non-traditional way. not to mention it won’t be the most popular decision. …anyway, we’ll see where we are with HC dennis allen in 2014… :)

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 12, 2011 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Personally I'm not sold on Tebow at all

But I believe he should get the nod in 2012 even if he sucks the rest of this season just because it will prove once and for all if he’s good or bad. I like this QB class, but we have so many other needs I’d rather draft a top tier CB or DT.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we can all agree that Tebow has improved each week?

I hated the fact that EFX went with Orton trying to ‘win’ with the best chance…Yikes! I knew and I believe most everybody else did to that it wasn’t going to work. I am very pleased with the Tebow Experiment and like you if he doesn’t succeed with how they are handling I will understand that we must move on…I would rather address other much needed positions too…Like RB, CB, DT and maybe RT…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I still believe that Orton gives us the best chance to win

But since making the playoffs is a massively bad bet, I’ve been in favor of starting Tebow since before the season started. I don’t think Tebow has improved each week, but that is why I believe we need to wait the whole season before making any judgement on his ceilings. I also believe he should start in 2012 because like you said, I’d rather draft a CB or DT.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton does not give us a better chance than Tebow...sorry, dont see it and never saw it......and I dont think the play offs are out of reach...

Tebow and mcCoy designing a O around his strengths is at least a large part why we are even back in it. Tebow makes everyone play harder (see raiders game where D was bad but they kept fighting in 2nd half). He makes those around him better.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

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by boydy2669 on Nov 12, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't really care to discuss this Boydy

Orton isn’t the focus of this post, nor is which is better. Nothing personal, but let’s keep this on topic.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

The defense was what

classical bend but don’t break is supposed to be, when we win the turnover battle, “remarkably” (note sarcasm:) we win by 14 because our quarterback is competent

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 12, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton gives us a chance to

want to wash our hair with A1 steak sauce, that is to say, look foolish

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 12, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow

I don’t know who bit you in the A$$ today but I have read enough of this. Orton had a bad start to this season but you cannot blame him for all the issues. Where were the open recievers? Where were the long pass plays that worked for us last year. I agree Orton had to go and it was time to start Tebow but you cannot tell me that Tebow came in and made an imediate difference. They had to find a way to use him and we still don’t have a decent passing game.
How about we just let it go and move on!!!!

Go Broncos!

by Sean in Pa. on Nov 12, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Guys let's cool it with the Orton/Tebow talk

We may not all agree, but let’s stay on topic, if that’s okay.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Orton can win in the right system with good weapons to work with...

Now we are seeing what Tebow can do with the same weapons (sans Lloyd) Orton had and the transition they’re all in. Little improvements across the board from the OLine to the receivers…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

If the broncos can create a passing game around the option we could see a revolutionary thing.

I think the Broncos would need to invest an entire year into Tebow and the offense for it to fully take shape but as the year goes on I’m expecting we’ll see an offense built around the option and play-action deep passes. It’ll be a chunk offense built more around the run then both Pittsburgh and Philly.

I keep comparing this to the Shanny bootleg cause I think it’s the best example. The broncos would pound you with the run and then completely reverse it on you and hit you with a PA pass. The broncos should come up with an offense built around option run’s which would open up big passing plays as well as RB and TE screens because teams would have to keep people up at the line of scrimmage to defend it.

The biggest thing however is that the Broncos need to build an offense around the option which minimizes the amount that the QB actually runs with the ball. I know that Tebow is a runner and he is definitely a tough SOB but there’s a reason RB’s never last past their 30’s, they take a ton of punishment. The difference is RB’s are a dime a dozen where as QB’s aren’t and offense’s are often built around them. I know that defeats the purpose of the option and I’m not saying Tebow should quit running but we need to come up with plays where the QB run is the last option. Give him a TE or receiver in the flat to throw too and if the defense takes away those options then a big QB run should be open where the QB can slide and still pick up huge chunks.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Nov 12, 2011 11:07 AM MST reply actions  

If EFX are bullheaded and feel Tebow isn't the Broncos' future then it will be there lose and ours...

Tebow is the type of player that needs special attention, but in the end the results can be worth the effort…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions  

Tebow's gotta continue to improve as a passer though

the option will only work over the long run if Tim can develop as a passer.

I would not fault EFX if they do not want to spend the resources and time trying to develop Tim especially seeing as he still has a ton of work to do and the chances of him developing as a passer are only about 50-60%. However if EFX are willing to take the time AND Tebow does develop then we will have something special. The problem here is there are a ton of variable and the more variables there are, the less likely the it turns out how we imagine it will.

This is a project that the Broncos need to decide if it is worth investing the time in or not. Is EFX willing to risk it all on this project or give up on it and go with another project they feel has a better chance of succeeding even if that project is more conventional than the first. It’s not about what you do, it’s about the success you have doing it. The Broncos have 8 more games to figure out if they wanna continue with this project or not but one things for sure, nothing has been decided yet.

And now for something completely different

by AlbertaBronc on Nov 12, 2011 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I think this read-option gives him those valuable reps while he learns...

Not getting any coach training this offseason hurt his development. Next year will be different.

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m bothered a bit by this “not getting any coach training this offseason hurt his development” concept.

My impression is that Tebow works as hard as anyone in the NFL to become a good QB. He hired a guy to help him with his passing mechanics before the draft; did he do the same thing during the off-season when the Denver coaches were not available? If not, why not?

He wanted to win the starting QB job. Even if the Broncos coaches weren’t available, there are plenty of other retired coaches or old QBs out there who I’m sure would have been thrilled to get a consulting contract to help him become a better passer. Warren Moon, for example, threw a beautiful ball. And I’m sure there are others out there who could have helped him develop better technique and skills.

I’d like to see him succeed, and he needs to do everything he can reasonably do to make that happen, if that’s his goal.

by bill2975 on Nov 12, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Warren Moon help him?

please, Warren doesn’t like to help white boys

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 12, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I get that bill, but there is nothing like hands on coaching at the team site...

All the players on the Broncos and other teams going through transition are having troubles too…Except San Fran they seem to be playing well…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 7:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Run and Shoot imedeatly brought to mind

Houston and Bum Phillips… Warren Moon found a lot of success
Don Coryell in San Diego Was a pioneer of the deep passing game, especially when he had Dan Fouts
Bill Walsh in San Fran “created” the most copied offense ever (IMHO) with the West Coast offense.

I think this “Chunk Offense”, first time I can recall hearing that name, will be a good basis for Tebow and if he succeeds after the successes of Rothlesburger and McNabb may become the new darling child of NFL coaches.

Nice article max, thanks. I don’t mean to disagree with what I typed, just the thoughts that came to my mind as I read. :p

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by Sean in Pa. on Nov 12, 2011 11:17 AM MST reply actions  

The name, "Chunk" Offense, has just been branded

When I was working with a few people on this post that is the title we came up with since we couldn’t think of another name. Thanks for your thoughts.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

i thought it was in reference to his throwing motion

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 12, 2011 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Sean, Tebow can only succeed if EFX are willing to offense around him.

Sure I think Tebow will continue to get better and develop his own style if they’ll let him. Staunchly stating he HAS to become a pocket passer is ridiculous at this point and time…

Does anybody remember how the Tampa Bay Buccaneers mishandled Steve Young and gave up on him? Lessons are to be learned from history and I hope EFX are history majors..

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

True but to be honest

Elway has not said Tim needs to be a pocket passer. He said Tim needs to be a good QB. All successful QBs in the NFL are able to play from the pocket to one degree or another. Tim must be able to do that, regardless of our offensive type. I am not sure I buy that these are different offenses as laid out here, but I do agree that there is a risk/reward factor that smart coaches are able to utilize and find success. If you have a guy that is not as consistent throwing back shoulder, on the money throws, it would be foolish to build your play calling around that type of play. By the same token, if you have a big receiver that can out jump a defense, it is foolish not to play to that strength, regardless of who the QB is (and whether he can thread a needle in triple coverage consistently or not). If you have a QB that can run and has a nose for the end zone… foolishness not to use that talent.

No offense can be one dimensional. We need to be able to throw quick, short, accurate throws from time to time. We need to throw it deep. We need to run the ball between the tackles. We need to run the ball outside and outflank our opponents. We need to be able to do play action passing. What is most important in that list… whatever will have the most success this week! McCoy needs to find a balance that utilizes our strengths, conceals our intent, and attacks the defenses weaknesses and mismatches.

by Da Bum on Nov 12, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Elway said he needed to be a good pocket passer. Thats pretty close...whicb is ironic as Elway was only a pure pocket passer late in his career.

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by boydy2669 on Nov 12, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, I agree that we do need a GOOD pocket passer

Not necessarily great (ala Manning or Brady as the gold standard). I do not think a team can consistently win if your QB cannot play from the pocket solidly. People take that to mean that they want Tim to be a completely different guy and I do not think that is totally true. That does not mean you do not use his skills to stretch the defense and design some of your work to be outside of the pocket to put the defense at a disadvantage. We all agree that NFL caliber pocket passing is Tim’s weakest skill (but we have seen flashes of nice work from time to time). Why not call a spade a spade and say that this is the area you need to see the biggest improvement? Elway has also never said he would not give Tim time to develop those skills. I think that people are reading too much into things that do not really mean anything at all (like the fact that we drafted a solid prospect at RT to replace a guy that was leaving and that means we do not want a left handed QB… what were our other options besides paying RH too much money to stick around?).

I especially get irritated when people use that kind of foolishness as “evidence” to “prove” Elway or Fox are lying about their intent. We know the last regime was a bunch of liars. I have seen nothing from this regime that points that way other than people’s manufactured inuendo. In fact, everything they have done has seemed reasonable at the time (not that I have agreed with everything or that it all worked as they hoped). They will continue to have my support until they do something to lose it.

by Da Bum on Nov 12, 2011 3:56 PM MST up reply actions  

This actually is pretty inaccurate

Elway was always a pass first player that could move around and hurt you by extending plays if necessary—-but it wasn’t his brand, he could move around no doubt, but it was for the purpose of making plays with his arm down the field.

by Bronco Mike on Nov 13, 2011 8:33 AM MST up reply actions  

He did say it a few weeks ago (don't know what article it was though),

but I wouldn’t hold Tebow to a 60% completions with his style of play, more like Elway’s 56.5%. His legs would give him those extra yds in running…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Jerry Glanville and Warren Moon!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 12, 2011 4:27 PM MST up reply actions  

These are the types of articles that brought me to MHR in the first place

Thank you so very much – well researched, greatly written! +1, 1 million times!

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by Broncs55 on Nov 12, 2011 11:20 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks so much!

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I remember when Roethlisberger first came out of Miami of Ohio...

He was a big footed, clumsy oaf that tripped over his own self…Now look at him after Cowher designed the offense around him…Will McCoy/Fox/Elway continue to cater to Tebow’s needs until he develops? I hope so, because Tebow brings alot more than just throwing and running a football. IMHO, he is what the Broncos need for success, he is just raw and developing and defining his position on the team. He is the most hated, debated and argued over sports figure to come out of college in years. I hope he succeeds!

Thanks max for the great article, this is one of your best my friend…Go Broncos and keep “Chunking” that offense down opponents throats…

by bfree2bronc on Nov 12, 2011 11:40 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks for your thoughts

Something to remember is that in Pittsburgh they had time to develop on offense since they had a top rated run game and defense to waste time on a QB that may or may not pan out. At this point I’m not sure what the Broncos will do, but we should have a clearer picture by the end of the season.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

We only hope he succeeds

because he’s one of us, if he were a Charger, we’d be hating on him like everybody else!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 12, 2011 4:34 PM MST up reply actions  

he was excellent his 1st year!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 12, 2011 6:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I definitely see your point better after reading this.

One of the things that I have been trying to track with this offense is the number of plays that gain a specific yardage range. And while there are quite a few what I call negative or zero plays, there are a proportionate amount of larger gains—-sort of the feast or famine type patterns that have played out. Is this a characteristic to be expected of the chunk?

by Bronco Mike on Nov 12, 2011 12:27 PM MST reply actions  

Great read max, and Rec'd

This article brings to light something that most pundits have missed. Tailoring an offense to fit Tebow would not necessarily mean a total divergence from an NFL style offense. Tebow has the potential to add another dimension to the “chunk” with his running ability. With that being said, he still needs to develop his passing skills to have any longevity in the league.

Most people seem to feel that we are drafting a QB in the upcoming draft regardless of what happens. I disagree. I have a feeling that they’ll work with Tebow and evaluate him during the offseason. I don’t see EFX mortgaging anything for a QB when there are other needs to take care of. I am thinking we’ll see another defense heavy draft but I could be wrong.

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by CH74 on Nov 12, 2011 12:46 PM MST reply actions  

This was awesome Max. Thank you

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by Calikula on Nov 12, 2011 12:58 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks, appreciate it.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Punkin Chunkin at its finest!

I like the new name. Just Chunkit Dude! LOL

They need to work a lot harder than they have to make this work.

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by metalman5050 on Nov 12, 2011 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

Great article man. Big Ben who Tim reminds me most of...

Tim is a more dangerous runner, Ben has the better arm (at the moment).
I have been saying that Tebow’s % is not as big a deal when you look at yards per completion.
You hit this out of the park mate.
Thanks for a great read.

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by boydy2669 on Nov 12, 2011 1:07 PM MST reply actions  

Thank you for this post, max

I’m used to lurk other franchise’s blog here at SBNation, and I’m sure that MHR is the best one and most active. This kind of post we only see here with that much to teach for everybody. I doubt if even the most football expert can read something talking deep about the basic aspects of the game and don’t learn at least a little.

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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 12, 2011 4:26 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks for your thoughts

Appreciate it.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 5:15 PM MST up reply actions  

thanks for the post... always learn from them.

unfortunately the only realistic comparison I think you can make to all those above is the Eagles use of McNabb. (Always hated McNabb’s inaccuracy BTW – felt like it kept some talented teams from winning the big one!)

I get the Big Been comparison but he was a really good passer from day one.

I like your CO name. It makes sense. Tebow (as he is right now) could NEVER run the mouse d offense.

Can’t wait to see it in action tomorrow. (don’t know if i hope it succeeds or fails…. ok succeeds)

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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 12, 2011 6:54 PM MST reply actions  

This isn't meant to directly compare the passers

Like you said Roethlisberger is much better passer. But rather it’s to compare the offenses they are in.

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by Topher Doll on Nov 12, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Jon Gruden

Jon Gruden was just on tv with Ron Jaworski talking about chunk offense and I remembered reading this. How cool. You guys are so cutting edge

by Baghdad on Nov 13, 2011 8:52 AM MST reply actions  

Haha who knew we'd be the hipsters

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by Topher Doll on Nov 13, 2011 9:07 AM MST up reply actions  

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by Sean in Pa. on Nov 13, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Great article

and well thought out. I disagree on the comparisons, because I see TT as a run first QB- not a pass first QB, like the others. He may make that transition, but I haven’t seen it yet. Big Ben is close, but he always looks to pass first; and McNabb was supposed to pass first (took him a little while to get that, but he did.) That doesn’t detract from the research you did, or the main premise.
I think the reason we were/are getting large chunks was the lack of gap control by the undisciplined Raiders. TT had good passes to receivers who were wide open- and that was enough to beat that team. We have a good chance against KC, I think, as well. If we play a good defense (and I’m looking at the jets….), I would expect to see better gap control and better coverage. If the other team does that- than you have to make the tight window throws to loosen up the coverage. My thought is they will defense the Bronc’s by going back to a mix of zone and some 1 on 1 schemes as the change up, or maybe just a zone blitz.
TT does not seem to be as shifty as Vick used to be (more a fast power runner), so a zone with swarming to the ball will probably be the first thing they try. This should be fun to see how it plays out………

by baselinedenver on Nov 13, 2011 9:39 AM MST reply actions  

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