Winning Isn't Everything, It Is The Only Thing For Tim Tebow, Broncos
by John Bena on Nov 14, 2011 10:21 AM MST
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"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing."
You've all heard the line before. Many believe the iconic phrase came from Vince Lombardi. While he did say it to his Green Bay Packers in 1959, the line itself was first spoken nearly a decade earlier, by Red Sanders, who was the head football coach at UCLA. Sanders was quite a successful coach for the Bruins, amassing a 66-19-1 record and leading UCLA to their only National Championship. It is Lombardi, of course, that gets the credit because Lombardi won much more than that with the Packers, including the first two Super Bowls.
That's the fun with perception - while often considered reality it is usually factually wrong.
The Denver Broncos went to Kansas City on Sunday and beat the Chiefs - in Arrowhead Stadium. This comes a week after the Broncos went to Oakland and beat the Raiders - another tough place to play for the Broncos, or any team. In fact, the last time the Broncos won two straight road games in the AFC West - played back-to-back - came in 1987 when the Broncos beat the Los Angeles Raiders and the San Diego Chargers in weeks 10 and 11. Who knows if it has EVER happened with a trip to Kansas City being part of the equation - even John Elway only won in Kansas City 4 times in his career.
Somewhere, unfortunately, lost in all this winning, are the people that choose to look at the down side of things. You know, the 'Yeah, but' people.
"Hey, the Broncos won!"
"Yeah, but, Tim Tebow only threw the ball 8 times"
"The Broncos beat the Chiefs at Arrowhead"
"Yeah, but, Tebow only had 2 completions"
"The Broncos defense sure has looked great the past couple of weeks"
"Yeah, but, Tebow only completed 25% of his passes"
I think you get the picture. A negative to the 24-hour news cycle is everyone has an opinion - and there are plenty of places to give it. MHR is part of that, of course, but personally I have tried to never veer too far off course. The Denver Broncos won a football game yesterday and I'm excited.
Sure, I'd like the passing game to be sharper - but it's not, and likely won't be this season. The Broncos are getting things done the old-fashioned way, by pounding the ball, playing solid defense and, perhaps most importantly, NOT TURNING THE BALL OVER.
The Broncos didn't throw yesterday because they didn't have to. The were effective running the ball and they were forcing the Chiefs to play into the strength of the Broncos defense - defending the pass and rushing the passer. Take away the Chiefs touchdown drive - that was propelled by a long run by Jackie Battle, the plan worked perfectly. Matt Cassel was uncomfortable all day and we finally got to see what a healthy Elvis Dumervil and Von Miller can look like together. SCHWING!
Sure, I know Tebow had one completion for 13 yards through 3 quarters. The Broncos were winning, however. Does it matter? The one throw Tebow had to make - which came in the 4th quarter of course - he made. A 56-yard strike to Eric Decker. The most shocking part? It came on 3rd and 10 and against double-coverage. In a sport defined by a handful of games each year, that one WON THE GAME for the Broncos.
Think of it this way. Tebow was 2/8 for 69 yards. Matt Cassel threw the ball 28 times - 20 more than Tebow - for just 93 yards. That's right - 20 more passes netted the Chiefs 24 more yards. Personally, I'll take quality over quantity - especially in the passing game.
The opposite is true in the running game. Lance Ball didn't run for a high average after subbing for Willis McGahee and Knowshon Moreno. But he was effective in pounding the Chiefs defensive front into submission. The number three running back isn't expecting to carry the rock 30 times, but Ball did and like Tebow, protected the ball.
I'm not blind to the challenges the Broncos have in the passing game. At some point, there will be a game that Tebow will need to use his arm to win. What happens then is anyone's guess. Isn't it exciting to be able to talk about meaningful football as we approach Thanksgiving?
"That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet?"
Another iconic phrase, this time from Romeo and Juliet. There was a time when you simply had to score more than the other team to win. That changed somewhere along the line - a win needed to be something more. Not to me. I don't know about 2012 - and right now I don't care. That will work itself out in time. Right now the Broncos are winning - they've won 2 straight for the first time in 29 games - can't that be enough?
I know, for some it never will be. We'll see fancy charts and graphs and essays on why winning isn't everything. Me? I prefer a simpler time. Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing, and the Denver Broncos are getting it done.
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Great article, John
Let’s just enjoy this one, eh?
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
Beating the Chiefs and Raiders on the road
Two of the best “team” wins I have seen in any sport in some time. The entire team seems to be playing with an aura of confidence and “us against the world” mentality. Now, the Broncos have won 3 straight on the road after dropping 8 games on the road in a row, I believe? Time for the hometown crowd to buy in to this team and match the noise we heard in the OAK and KC game early on, before Tebow and the running game quited them down.
by knoepke84 on Nov 14, 2011 10:36 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
"At some point, there will be a game that Tebow will need to use his arm to win."
“What happens then is anyone’s guess”?
Probably true, but Week 7 vs the Dolphins might give us a clue to the answer…
A win.
Long distance love affairs are always the most poignant.
The biggest thing I came away with from this game
is that we were able to run the ball when EVERYONE knew we were going to run it. Kudos to the Broncos team and staff.
That’s the 2nd team victory in a row. Great win Broncos! Keep em’ coming!
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
Thank You
Glad someone else likes the win
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Nov 14, 2011 10:39 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks John!!
I enjoyed watching this last game in spite of the lack of passes.
I enjoy seeing the Broncos win HOWEVER they do it – defense, offense, special teams, and any combination of the three. Last week’s run option game was essentially not used – just power running. We need to be able to mix up the offensive play calls so the opponents can’t key on just one thing.
I expect to see some (not many due to lack of time) new wrinkles in the offense this Thursday.
GO BRONCOS !!!!!!
Yeah… but we won…. Eat it Merrill Hoge.. Eat that crow you goofy looking, overly concussed jackwad.
Tim Tebow's career record is 4-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
by McGeorge on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 AM MST reply actions 19 recs
Now bite him, McG!
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 14, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
It’s funny what a “throwback” running offense can do in a league where defenses are built around stopping Colts/Pats style passing attacks. Ahhh…the great football dialectic. That Hegel fella may have been on to something.
"All we're trying to do is win a mf'ing game!!!"
by PosterNutbag on Nov 14, 2011 10:45 AM MST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs
Isn’t it exciting to be able to talk about meaningful football as we approach Thanksgiving?
Weren’t we in the same situation just 2 years ago in 2009?
The way folks talk around here, you’d think the team hasn’t been competitive in decades. Last year was an anomaly, and we had a home AFC Championship game just 6 years ago.
Love what I’m seeing from the young oline… passing game, not so much. But our young team is showing improvement overall and looks to be building the foundation for future success… if/when TT figures it out, or we get a new QB who does, I like where this team is headed. The W/L in the meantime is just the icing on the cake.
When I typed it...
I thought of 2009. 6-0, followed by 4 straight losses, then the last winning streak the Broncos have had. The win over the Giants on Thanksgiving that had the Broncos sitting at 8-5.
This just feels different to me, maybe because the Broncos were in the middle of a 2-8 finish to the 2009 season. Maybe that, coupled with 4-12 and everything that happened since – coaching change, Lockout, etc – makes it feel so long ago…
Your point is taken…
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by John Bena on Nov 14, 2011 10:54 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Anytime is a good time to watch meaningful football as we approach Thanksgiving.
If it was last year or the year before, it doesn’t matter….Isn’t it exciting to be able to talk about meaningful football as we approach Thanksgiving!…..Well said John Bena
You mean when we were the 2011 Buffalo Bills? lol
I don’t think anyone really sees that 6-0 team as anything but a fraud. I was happy back then though….and drunk with orange and blue dreams.
my point is
in 2009 we were playing meaningful games in Dec… also in 2006, 2007, and 2008. 2010 is a complete exception.
In 2005 we were competing for homefield advantage throughout the playoffs.
If you’re convinced the 2009 team was a fraud, I’d be careful getting your hopes too high with this team…. I’m guessing we’re much closer to our 2009 level than we are our 2005 team, 3 recent wins against perennial bottom-dwellers like MIA, OAK and KC inclusive.
By all means lets enjoy the win and the progress the team is making, but lets also not get too self-congratulatory about being tied for last place/2nd place in arguably the worst divsion in the NFL… (we should be better than the KC fans were last year ;-)… particularly when the only real good teams we’ve played this year in GB and DET totally handed our asses to us….
you really rip the limelight right out from us
please, have some kool-aid! =)
If the Jets have a fourth and a foot situation, Rex will probably go for it
by Broncs55 on Nov 14, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't stand
the “haven’t beat anybody” line
if TT & the Broncos had lost any of the last 2 games, media would have killed them. You play the teams on your schedule and the goal is to win. In the NFL wins are hard to come by, so as a Bronco fan I won’t be apologizing for any wins that a team coming off a 4-12 record can get. Also as a Bronco fan these past couple years have felt like decades of losing, I know I’m spoiled as a fan not having many losing seasons to deal with. To this team I say thanks and keep getting those Ws!
Release the Tebow!
absolutely
but at the same time, we know beating losers is hardly a great indicator of future success.
Everybody that understands football was predicting KC to regress this year, because the main reason they had lots of success last year was a weak schedule… this because almost guartunteed when injuries decimated their best players this year. Does that mean that any team that wants to be considered good SHOULD beat them… YES!! But what it doesn’t mean is that anyteam that DOES beat them is considered good.
A little perspective, both on the positve and negative sides would do our Broncos fanbase a lot of good IMO…. maybe if we had some we wouldn’t have such a manic depressive site where we’re flying high one week, only to have me think we need to put out a suicide watch on some members the next… MHR gained its following as a “thinking man’s” place, where respectful and logical dialogue is meshed with love of our Denver Broncos… lets not turn into the orange and blue equivelent of Raiders fans just because we have a little adversity and/or success.
That is a very hard thing to do
But it is also what I keep telling myself. This is great fun and I really like seeing the team progress. I am afraid of the possible letdown though.
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
bottom dwellars like MIA, Oak, and KC
we did beat them tho and in thier house. Not saying that we are a top tier team or even close to one at this point but what really bothers me is that the MSM is always saying how terrible we are as a team.
But yet they are all wet over GB and NE. Has anyone seen thier schedule this year? They are playing the bottom dwellars and seen as Gods that may go undefeated against these same bottom dwellars. And we are playing these top elite teams and we are chastised as a joke.
So, we beat those 3 bottom dwellars and we are still looked at as a team that has much to prove and more to learn (which we do) but yet the top elite teams are playing these same bottom dwellars and seen as the untouchables and total remarkable unbeatable dynasty’s.
we got slammed by Detroit and we payed for it dearly in the MSM on how a REAL QB plays in Stafford. I am wondering where and when all this slamming of Stafford is going to appear on how he played and acted yesterday? It won’t happen…
so if all we beat this year is bottom dwellars and learn a bit more from it, give more experience to our young players, then I am all for it. I have no great expectations this year but these 3 on the road wins against those bottom dwellars sure make me feel that our team is on the right track…
"The most advanced running game the NFL has seen"
Anyone else remember John Fox making a comment like this, before the season started?
I thought it was just coach-speak at the time, but it seems Fox may have been right all along. The combination of different blocking schemes, wildcat, read option, triple option etc seems to working.
Who’d have thought we were getting a visionary when John and Mr Bowlen hired Coach Fox?
Long distance love affairs are always the most poignant.
I remember him saying that.
I also remember thinking, “so what?” (sorry but I don’t know how tyo do italics on this site)
Shows how much I know.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 14, 2011 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
In the comment box
between the header and the body, click on the italic I
then type between the > and <
;)
Go Broncos!
Thanks.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 15, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Nice write up John
The W is all that counts. We all know this team is young, thin when it comes to depth, and we lack true superstar talent. The team has come together. The coaches have found a way to not only win but get a lead and hold it. Last year we all lamented how poorly our offensive and defensive lines played, not this year even though they did have a rough start on offense. The draft was good for our defensive secondary. So many positives to look at. I like the idea (in my own head) that DC’s are scratching their heads and wondering how to defend us. I think we have enough of a pass game that if we need to it will be there.
Go Broncos BABY…. 11-5 till we ain’t!
Go Broncos!
Winning is everything...
and I could care less how we do it!
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by metalman5050 on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
We didn't just beat the Chiefs, we controlled them
What I saw yesterday was a thing of beauty. My wife was worried that I’d be upset since Tebow wasn’t passing, but I had to keep explaining to her that it was the opposite. Tebow wasn’t passing because he didn’t need to be passing. The run game was succeeding beyond belief. It was a game plan that many of us are only old enough to have read about or seen in those cool old-timey game clips. We took on the persona of a true leatherhead team and beat the Chiefs into submission. We looked them in the eye and dared them to stop us. And every time they couldn’t stand taking another punch to the guy, we let Tebow take a head shot until he finally hit one perfectly on the chin and knocked them out. Sure watching air attacks in the modern NFL can be fun, but anyone with a true love of the game had to drool over what they saw with us on the field yesterday. Our lineup was filled with men, and they made the Chiefs look like little boys in front of their home crowd. This was one of the sweetest wins we’ve had in a very long time.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 AM MST reply actions 21 recs
*punch to the gut lol
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Nov 14, 2011 11:00 AM MST up reply actions
I was # 5 lol
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Yeah! It's green!
And don’t be surprise if the same tactic(using new plays) will be used against the Jets and it will be a best chance to win.
I was thinking the same thing
I guess that’s what happens to a pass rusher when he’s got no passer to rush!
ENJOY THE WIN - Don't Worry about next week..
That is the coaches job to figure out next week. I believe they have already put in to a game plan and practiced plays for the Jets this past week that they could have used but never needed to use in the KC game…Oh by the way a VICTORY!!
TIME TO BELIEVE. BRONCO Champions are being forged as we speak
That running game was somethng to see yesterday
I know at least part of it was the fact our O-Line was beating the heck out of the Chiefs, but there were some very cool blocking schemes going on.
The fact that we won too is a huge plus, but a big part of me enjoyed watching all the different ways our linemen, TE’s and even WRs were blocking different people on the Chief’s defense. And seeing a well executed triple option a few times was cool!
Maybe Tebow is just being used how he can be used for now and the Broncos really will draft a replacement, but until then win or lose (preferably win) this is a blast to watch!
Ok, Von Doom is a way better nickname than what I liked. So cool to be excited about a pass rush in Denver again!
I want to say how awesome a particular Rockies player is and that he will be the MVP, but the last time I mentioned it in my sig he went out with an injury, so, GO PLAYER WHO IS SO AWESOME!
1-4 with Orton, 3-1 with Tebow
only thing that has changed is the QB, agreed we need to balance out our offense. However teams we could’nt beat before, we took it to them on the road.
by diviesti on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
That...
and the defense finally got healthy, and the oline learned to block… but sure, if we’re in the “only person on the field that matters is the QB” we can believe TT is sole reason for the turn around….
We didn't win 2 consecutive games for 29 games before this
Pretty sure somewhere in there our O-line would know how to block and our defense would be healthy enough to compete in back to back games.
Maybe Orton was loosing games for us and he’s the reason we were so bad, but we are winning games we couldn’t even compete in before the change of QB’s.
in those 29 games we also were averaging
~3ypc and giving up ~30 points a game… how again did TT change that?
Orton played BAD this year and the end of last… he cost us some games we might have otherwise won and totally deserved benching. But last year he and Lloyd also kept us in games we otherwise would’ve been blown out in. To say all this team needed was a different QB is ludicrous on its face.
TT shortens the game, reduces turnovers, and opens up running lanes. He’s not the sole reason, but he is a factor.
I also think there is a subconscious factor at play. With Orton, we as fans “knew” he would let the team down in the 4th Q. Tebow on the other hand plays his best in the 4th Q. This has to affect the players even if they don’t know or are unwilling to admit it. If you have hope, you are going to play harder earlier in the game.
TT shortens the game...
Or does the new running game success of the past 2 games shorten the game?
We saw the stats posted last week… TT has been WORSE throughout the games on 3rd downs than Orton was… that means more punts, and more DEF on the field. The difference is the running game… some of that is TT, but a lot of that is the oline.
Yes, perception can often influence reality… which is why I HATED how the fans treated Orton, because it essentially created a self-fulfilling prophesy. For much of 2009, he and Lloyd were the only players on the team keeping the games even close… for 11 games they were about the only folks playing at NFL starter-level on the entire team. Yet because many fans can’t see beyond the QB position, we created such a negative atmosphere that Orton’s collapse was almost certain. We reap what we sow.
We could do the same for TT if we aren’t careful… we think we won’t now, but after Orton started 6-0, how quickly do things change….
The NFL is a team game… QB is important, but to say QB is the most meaningful difference between this and last year, even as the QB throws up sub-50% completion rates, to be is idiotic. TT is exciting and I love his potential… but what I really love is the improvements on oline and DEF that are finally giving our QBs a chance to succeed.
by cjfarls on Nov 14, 2011 12:07 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
very well said
We are on a high right now. But imagine the worst case scenario. Defenses figure out our run game and the pass game never materializes. We start losing more than we win. Who gets the blame?
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
no one gets the blame
rebuilding our team is a process, not an endpoint. W/L is an outcome, but the process will determine our long-term and sustained success or failure.
At this point in the process, we have a raw, unconventional QB that does enough new/different things that we can beat bad teams. The process right now is to figure out if he can take the next step to become a consistent NFL winner once others scheme to respond to what we’re doing and/or the opponents get more capable. Whether TT does succeed or not, and how EFX respond to TT’s development (or lack thereof) for our 2012+ QB position are just where we are in the process…
haha
I was actually trying to agree with you and expound on how Orton got all the blame for our woes. Suggesting to the Tebow fans that the shoe could be on the other foot. :/
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
but Orton was our best chance to win LOL
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
until he wasn't
he sucked it up, and was deservedly benched.
And Tebow, if he's still here. will probably be out practiced again.
My guess is he’s gone. They learned from the Orton debacle not to be too greedy. But that’s just a hunch.
Hopefully they’ll bring in (maybe even off season) a QB guru who will work with TT since Elway won’t and Gase never even played football.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
I'm not sure Elway won't
There have been reports of Elway staying after practice to toss it around with Tebow. I would imagine he gives him pointers, tips, etc.
He just won’t do it on a full time basis – he has other priorities.
We shall see come off season what happens!
If the Jets have a fourth and a foot situation, Rex will probably go for it
Not sure why that is so important
Don’t you think there is film on Elway? Not to even consider that the NFL has changed a lot. I am sure Elway has had his input but that is not his job, in any way shape or form. This should not even be an issue.
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
Whiskey Foxtrot Tango??
This was a full comment that ended up being two headers…..??
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
LOL
ok, my browser is acting up. Time to reload I guess. If any moderators happen by could you remove this and the above post please… and thank you.
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Not here for an hour to argue about Tebow
Factual statement: We are winning at a higher % with Tebow as our QB now as opposed to Orton as our QB.
We can make 100 excuses for him and against him, until he proves he can’t win he will be our QB. Lets not forget we(fans/media) gave him complete blame for the loss to the Lions, but we can’t give him credit for wins?
yep
we shouldn’t give him complete blame NOR complete credit. That is the fallacy.
absolutely
but you know that isn’t how it’s viewed in the end. Truth is the D could easily be given the credit for the last 2 wins and deservedly so.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Not true
Many fans over reacted and gave Tebow all the blame. Not all of us.
Go Broncos!
by Sean in Pa. on Nov 14, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions
well
that and the Dolphins and Chiefs are very bad teams, and bad teams beat other bad teams in the NFL all the time regardless of who is the quarterback.
i keep dancing on my own.
Tebow starts the year and we are 6-3!
Optimism just feels good!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Nov 14, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions
Well said TSG!
That win made me start thinking of next years draft, and how important a stable of good rb’s will be to our future. I say we draft a rb in the first 3 rounds to compliment Willis, Knoshawn, and Ball. Our O-line is young and questionable on passing but are Bulldozing beasts in the run game.
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Maybe a RB, WR, corner, and DT (last year's bungle)
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Just a few thoughts
Bunkley and M Thomas have been looking good enough to re-sign. Ty will be back next year. That is 3. How many do you want? I suspect 4…..Vick good enough? Do we have to get a high round DT instead? Would a youngish FA deemed better than Vick be sufficient? Can we go with what we got for a year and fill other needs?
I don’t think we are in that bad of shape next year at the DT position. I would upgrade at the 4th position, but…. do I feel the need to upgrade the 1st (ie, best player among the 4) starting DT position?? Only if a remarkable athlete was available at the right time.
Are you kiddin me....
I will take this “Smash Mouth” ball every week, from our O and D. To see the look on the other teams faces when they know there is nothing they can do about solving my Broncos, thats worth a million to me.
Gratz Bronco fans
A great win yesterday! Keep it up.
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Well said!
Yesterday was a great win, but honestly, I can’t stand watching this style football. I guess I’m one of those patsies that needs the passing game to stay interested, but I think this run run run run run style of football is incredibly boring. Overall though, the win is most important and it’s really nice, for a change, to have relevant football to play in November…
Love the defense!!! I can’t remember the last time I saw a Broncos pass rush like this.
Go Broncos!
There wasn’t a lot of scoring but there was a lot of tension in that game.
You kept waiting for McCoy to call a series of passes or for one of the teams to make a critical turnover.
Until TT hit Decker, you had the feeling that if KC gets a break and the lead what will happen? Will McCoy got shot gun and pass it? Will we succeed. Then TT delivers the big play and you knew that probably iced the game.
try watching it closer tjp
A well orchestrated run game is every bit if not more complex than the passing game.The variet of blocking schemes as well as type of runs called yesterday was masterful. Haley even said that by the time they figured it out it was too late.
"I don't care about statistics . The only statistic that matters to me is wins and that's what we're all about as a team" - Tebow after going 2-8 in Chiefs win.
Perhaps this is the most sophisticated run game
that Fox promised us?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
It will be interesting.
This style of football works fine as long as you’re ahead. From behind not so sure.
And I don’t really trust the play calling all that much, when we’re behind.
GB2
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
If they were behind
They wouldn’t have been playing that style … so the point is moot.
It’s not that I don’t like to watch the running game at all, it’s just that I think that a competent NFL offense should have a fair amount of passing too. I have to keep reminding myself that there would have been more passing if the running game wasn’t so successful… Nonetheless, it’s always a good day when we can all talk about a win!
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If Tebow pulls out a few more wins (and goes 7-9 or 8-8), do you think Elway will roll with Tebow going forward as his starter, or do you still think he will opt to draft his own to start?
I am 99.9% certain they will draft a QB regardless, but my thoughts are that depending on Tebow’s success will determine if they draft a backup or one they plan on starting.
If the Jets have a fourth and a foot situation, Rex will probably go for it
I don't think it has anything to do with the W-L this year.
Elway will either draft or trade for a QB to ‘out-practice’ Tebow. IMO that’s already in stone.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
we already have a QB that out practices him
his name is Orton
If the Jets have a fourth and a foot situation, Rex will probably go for it
And how'd that work out for the FO ? lol
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
not good to my knowledge
If the Jets have a fourth and a foot situation, Rex will probably go for it
If the Broncos pull themselves out of the race for the top 3 QB's (aka out of the top 10)
(and maybe 4 depending on RGIII), then Tebow will be the starting QB next year. I still think the Broncos will draft a QB no matter what next year but if that QB is outside the 1st, he’ll be brought in as competition and as a plan B just in case Tebow isn’t progressing. It’ll be Tebow’s job to lose.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 14, 2011 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
Why not, RGIII has everything Elway looks for in a QB
he’s mobile and can escape like every option QB but unlike most option QB’s, he can also make plays from the pocket as well. RGIII is one of the few spread option QB’s who is pro ready because he is just as good inside the pocket as he is outside it. He’ll still need to learn how to run a pro style offense but he is very smart and should be able to do it. I think EFX will look long and hard at RGIII this year.
And honestly, RGIII is too small to be a runner in the NFL. He’s gonna have to become a pocket guy in the NFL and this is something I think he can do.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 14, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
I think it would be a really hard sell to bail on Tebow for RGIII. The other guys I would understand if were in a position to draft them.
I understand that
I seriously doubt the Broncos would give up on Tebow to bring in another option QB with no pro style experience but RGIII is the expection because he does have the skill set to do it and he is much further along the path to the NFL than most option QB’s, Tebow included. He’s a project but nowhere near the project that the others are.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 14, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
And the Denver faithful would burn down dove valley.
Face it, Tebow puts asses in the seats. That is what matters.
Life's too short for bad tone!
Lots of yabbuts out there today!
Here’s my takeaway from the game.
1) Anytime you can impose your will on another team by doing what you want to do even when they now it’s coming you have an incredible advantage. (see our last 2 Ravens games for validation)
2) Unlike some fans, I freaking love the running game! The run calls yesterday were a masterful blend of zone blocking, power blocking , read zone / options and QB keepers. It’s easy to classify all runs as being the same but I promise you the Faiders and the Chefs would argue differently right now.
3) To make the assumption that kust because we didn’t pass much means we can’t pass much would be a huge mistake that I hope every team we face makes. But for 3 drops and a possible PI Tim goes 6 for 8 and 2 TD’s.
4) Our defense is starting to find the zone. I think they’re due to break out a big Turnover game soon (maybe the Jets). With the pressure they’re putting on the QB it’s just a matter of time. Should’ve had 2 picks yesterday!
"I don't care about statistics . The only statistic that matters to me is wins and that's what we're all about as a team" - Tebow after going 2-8 in Chiefs win.
by asinsoin on Nov 14, 2011 11:53 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Very interested to see how Denver plays against another real opponent
You could say that the Faiders was a tough game, and it was, but c’mon…they’re the Faiders. They will always find a way to screw up. And KC, while in KC, is one of the worst teams in the league.
We’ve got another real contender coming to town. T squared will HAVE to throw the ball more than 8 times in order to keep drives alive. The J-E-T-S will not give up 250 on the ground. Instead of going for home runs, why not try 7 yard hitches or hitting Fells across the middle for 12? Oh…and stay away from Revis.
Dont forget
The last few years weve made a habit of losing BIG to both Faiders and Chefs.
This is improvement, at the least!
Long distance love affairs are always the most poignant.
by longshot356 on Nov 14, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
That was my thought until
I watched the Jets game last night. Unless Rex can find a way to stop the run, his offense will not have the ball enough times to score more that 14 points. We just may have a matchup of the two most ineffective passers in the entire league, and we have at present a better running game. .I think it is going to be a close game, and I am beginning to think we win it……. on the ground.
Interesting thing one of the announcers said yesterday. They can start and develop Tebow and still game plan to win. They don’t have to throw the season in the fire. Tebow has a lot to improve, but the weird thing is as ugly as it is, 4-3 through 7 starts is something I take any team would take with a new guy. He is missing some big plays, the one where Decker ad his guy beat for a TD in the 2nd quarter comes to mind, but he is just hardly turning the ball over at all. Winning the West would be quite a turn around, but it isn’t inane to think about. Tebow is managing to minimize turnovers and give his team a chance to win. What I hope doesn’t happen if Tebow has a rough day Thursday is everyone freaks out. He still has some major stinkers in him, so be ready. I think he is capable of holding his own against the Jets and I think our Defense and running game are capable as well. First prime time game of his career (I think?) in a stadium that is going to be excited about a team that has fought its way back into the division race after they last saw them get embarrassed playing Detroit, it is a big game for sure… need to keep pace with the Raiders.
Great Game
The Jet’s have a much stouter defense. I have a feeling that Fox and McCoy are setting the Jets up. They went with the run and when it was successful, they stuck with it. They didn’t need to break out the passing game because we were winning it with the running game. Hopefully the Jets will concentrate on that and we’ll be able to suprise them with a few big passing plays. I have a feeling we’ll be more 2 dimensional against the Jets who’ll have prepared for a 1 dimensional team and we’ll suprise them, but hey, that’s just me drinking out of two glasses of koolaid, one blue, one orange.
Looking at the schedule, I think we can win the division with 8-8. It requires us to win a few tough games, and the rest of the AFC West to play like they’ve been playing, but it can happen.
GO BRONCOS!!!
I'd say I think you are right...
The same thought occurred to me. They showed a look to the Chiefs that the Jets will study and prepare for. The smart thing to do would be to not duplicate that game plan. Fox is no fool. He’s most likely thought up a clever game plan. All the Bronco’s need to do is execute it. I’m less worried about this game than I was before the Chiefs game. Go Denver!
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
The good thing is
…is that they’ve already studied the pass plays they put in for the KC game (but didn’t expose) and will be able to run those, plus whateve else they decide to put in this week that is specific to the Jets. I just hope they throw out of the read option where Tebow fakes the hand off, fakes the end around, rolls into the flat and goes deep to Thomas, Decker, or Royal. I just hope Tebow is getting his deep timing with our guys down, cause he’s gonna need it to keep defenses honest. If we can keep that safety out of the box the Jets D will be in for a long game.
GO BRONCOS!!!
Said the same yesterday
All on its own, the Chiefs game was a fail from a play calling perspective. Taken in context, I call it an incomplete. If we do the same things against the Jets and have less success and show nothing new… that is a big time fail for McCoy. If we show the Jets some new wrinkles and give our guys a chance to win… McCoy is back on the Christmas Card list. I sure was concerned when it was 3-7 and we were obviously running the ball AGAIN. I seriously hope patience is in order and we will be rewarded for it.
You nailed it
I got to this post way late. But Fox in his pre-game interview was asked about game planning for two teams in the same week with the Thursday night game looming against the Jets. He said the team was focused on the Chiefs but the coaches were thinking ahead. Now I know when the bread and butter stuff was working, they in no way wanted to tip their hand. Our zone read stuff we ran was very vanilla. There are SO many other deviations we can use especially with the pass. And why bother. It is nice to pop off 5 ypc every time. And I loved how we imposed our will. What a boon of confidence to the young O-line.
I think the perfect storm is coming for the Jets. They look at that game film and get nothing out of it. A killer loss to New England on their home field where they were dismantled, and our D is putting serious heat on the QB these days. Fly 2/3 of the way across the country and deal with the thin air. Oh how gassed they will be if we keep the chains moving! And they are an average run defense at best. I do think Tebow has to make plays with his arm early and sprinkled in the rest of the game though to open up the run game for good. 5-5 is a distinct possibility. And no kool-aid is needed.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
by Safety Blitz on Nov 14, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
Speaking of winning
Jets QB mark Sanchez looks lost right now
VonDoom eat him alive thursday nite .
Throw everything at this guy linebacker blitz,
corner blitz , saftey blitz smother this guy with no let up. stack the line , force him to beat us .
by broncosfaninphilly on Nov 14, 2011 12:18 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Like I said
the two most ineffective QBs in the league meet up, and one has a better running game and their QB turns the ball over less frequently……… Which wins most often? The Jets D had better be very stout against the run. They don’t score often, and if they don’t get the ball for much of the TOP, they are in trouble against a team that initially seems to be not in the same class.
Loving the experiment!
This seems to be a test of Tebow’s decision-making with executing our offense, if not the passing offense. On these option plays, he seems to generally make the right decision to keep it, or hand it off while reading the defenders’ reactions post-snap. It’s really incredible, and ball control as well as protecting the ball is off the charts! The last two games being on the road, in-division, and Oakland+KC never had a chance! Those two games never felt even close. Watching us play a brand of football that I, and opposing defenses have trouble interpreting in live-time is to me, like watching late-night Kung Fu Theater…you’re not sure what’s going on….but someone is Definately getting their ass kicked!
Go Broncos!
by Donkeylover on Nov 14, 2011 12:21 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Whats the difference if Tebow passed for 244 yards and rushed for 68 yards
or 68 yards passing and 244 yards rushing…nothing. The media is all about Tebow.
Anyways great win at Arrowhead, great showing by our D, and honestly we look right now to be the best team in the west.
yes........Loved the pass D
and the media can shove it.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Thank you so much John
I’ve been meaning to write a post like this (like I have many times…. you know, the “buck up” post)….. you put in words that I could never have achieved. The Denver Broncos have won back to back AWAY division games, and are right in the thick of the AFC West hunt. If that’s not enough for us fans, then perhaps we are something else.
Is Tim Tebow the only reason we’re winning football games – no. Is he a big reason – YES!!! The threat of Tebow’s running is opening up a lot for us right now. Tim is a winner who’s won at every level of football he’s played. Give him your allegiance and thanks because under him we’ve turned this thing around. There will be more ugly moments for sure, but in the end, the good will outweigh the bad – it always has with him.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
Any time you hear the Yeah But argument ...
remind them that teams don’t get extra points for style.
The same people yeah but-ing were and will be the same people trotting out the “to win you have to run the football and play defense” memes in the playoffs. Exactly what we saw yesterday, just carried to an extreme.
Yeah But is arab taxi driver in New York City.....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Tip of the iceburg
Leaning to a coaching perspective means ALWAYS looking for ways to improve. The KC win was indeed enjoyable and in this writer’s mind and indicator of improvement with the coaching staff every bit as much as the personnel. A good deal of the MSM is stuck on Tebow’s passing stats but they are completely missing the paradigm potential this man offers. He is a unique talent that when properly used and harnessed could challenge today’s pass happy NFL.
One thing I am absolutely amazed with is how the Bronco coaches can NOT have some of the old Elway staples as part of the game plan. Get Tebow out in space and combine that with the run, pass, pitch options and we will see him suddenly blossom into the passer so many say he isn’t. This kid has arm for ALL the throws. He just needs plays and play calling that get him out in the open where his instincts may be second to none.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Nov 14, 2011 12:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I keep thinking Champ is about to have to move to safety (I don’t really know why, probably because some said so), but he has been great the last 2 weeks. I still wouldn’t be opposed to drafting even 2 CBs… because he will have to move there soon, at least I’d assume so. As excited as I am about a dominant running game, I am even more hopeful about where our D is going. If we could hit on a CB and DT in the draft, it will be even better and deeper next year.
Are we going to be home underdogs thursday nite ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Nov 14, 2011 12:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I would probably expect the line
to be either Denver + 3.5 but could be Denver -1.5
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 14, 2011 12:44 PM MST up reply actions
I honestly see the Broncos losing that game..
mainly because the Jets D is not going to allow us to run over them. To beat them we need a some kind of passing game establish
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Nov 14, 2011 12:51 PM MST up reply actions
Yea, I still expect about 60-70% running plays and it would be fine,
but Tebow needs to throw more, at least close to 20 attempts, along with more read options. The plays need to be more mixed to be successful against a better Jets Defense
Colorado Offense: Making bad pitchers look like CY Young Winners.
by Colsportsfan on Nov 14, 2011 1:25 PM MST up reply actions
It all depends on our Defense
So far the last 4 games, when our defense played acceptable, we were able to stay in the game to allow this “Runoffenserun” (run first and run last offense) to work.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
Sanchez...you worry about Sanchez??
That offense looked horrid last night. Our D should be up to this unless Sanchez plays light out because he fears for his job…with good reason, I might add. BTW, another can’t miss QB that is not “playing up to his draft position”, imo.
Nice post John
I just happy we won 2 games in a row. I want to see 3 games now. It could happen. I watched the Jet’s Pats game and could picture us beating them. Keep tossing the ball to our D-line Sanchez. We won’t mind a bit! And Tim has scored against them before as I recall. Wasn’t it for 1 for rushing and 1 passing?
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
Well written and great reminders John
Funny how we’re so brainwashed, on Sunday I kept finding myself thinking this is great but we really need to throw the ball more often. Truth of the matter was we were just shoving it down the Chiefs throat and they couldn’t stop it.
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