Andre Goodman ... Good Man!!!
by Tim Lynch on Nov 19, 2011 10:00 AM MST
in Denver Broncos Opinion - The Aftermath
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If there was one player on the Denver Broncos who embodies everything Tim Tebow referred to when he talked about how it doesn't matter how many times you get knocked down, but how many times you get back up, that would be none other than Andre Goodman.
The much maligned cornerback gets to enjoy playing opposite Champ Bailey, not exactly an enviable task. I've often bemoaned his play over the past two seasons. However, in one momentum shifting play his slate is once again clean. It is clean because of how he followed up that interception return. He played hard nosed football. The kind of football he played in 2009. It's amazing how a player can transform before your eyes when confidence is finally restored.
In a way, the Denver Broncos are Andre Goodman. It's amazing how much of a difference having confidence in yourself, your teammates, and your coaching staff can do for a person and a football team. Both the man and the team is now working from a clean slate.
The next hurdle is to look at this team in a different light. This isn't your 2009 Denver Broncos. That paper tiger folded at the first sign of adversity. This team and this defense had to learn how to succeed in the face of adversity. There is little about Thursday's game that worry me on that side of the ball. Having Andre Goodman playing with confidence again could take this defense to the next level.
For those of you who have been around MHR for a while might know I have a proclivity for the defensive side of the ball. For whatever reason, I feel I have a better understanding of those kinds of concepts than I do with offensive schemes and such (perhaps due to MHR University posts from back in the day). I've written about the Broncos not having a defensive identity during the offseason several times over the years, but I think its safe to say we are witnessing a new identity beginning to take shape. What it ends up being is unclear, but it is something to be excited about.
I have other things I want to discuss about the New York Jets game, but I wrote a post almost a month ago about the defense trending upwards. If you check that link, you'll see where I left off. The chart below shows where the Broncos defense was statistically after the Miami Dolphins game and where they are today. Remember this includes the Detroit Lions debacle.
| Defensive Trends - 2011 Season | ||||||||
| -- | Points | Total Yards | Pass Yards | Rush Yards | Turnovers | Sacks | 3rd Down % | Red Zone % |
| Week 7 | 25.83 | 366 | 247.5 | 118.5 | 1.33 | 2.5 | 41% | 52% |
| Today | 24.7 | 356.4 | 242.3 | 114.1 | 1.6 | 2.7 | 35.6% | 55.8% |
The trends continue...
Tim Tebow Time
Would I not be remiss to bring up Tim Tebow? I mean for crying out loud. W. T. F. That's really all I have to say, but I'll keep going.
I was honored to appear again on The Johnny Ballgame Show today to talk Broncos, which for a regular guy like myself is pretty cool. In case any of you reside in Eastern Oregon somewhere, this guy is a closet Broncos fan if there ever was one. Anyway, the interview was almost entire about Tim Tebow...obviously.
There were two key points I tried hard to make that I hope to share with all of you here. The first was in response to what I thought John Elway was going to do now. Here's the thing, a month ago Tim Tebow's future was completely in doubt. It was obvious to anyone that John Elway and the front office was not the least bit sold on Tebow after seeing the other debacle of this season, which was Tebow in training camp. People love to hate on Elway for that, but look at it from his perspective - I sure couldn't blame him. Heck, Tebow's performance this summer caused me to jump back on the "Start Orton" bandwagon.
The things we don't see is how well Tebow is progressing in practice. I think over the past month John Elway has slowly become a fan of Tim Tebow. He alluded as much in his PRE-game interview on Thursday. Tim Tebow's future has always been in Tim Tebow's hands and last night I believe he showed John Elway enough to earn the long road to greatness.
The long road to greatness is sucking it up as a franchise and working on doing for Tim Tebow what none of his previous coaches really tried to do in high school and college. Turn that football phenom into a bona fide quarterback. Thanks to the lockout and an unbelieving front office, that means starting five weeks ago and for the next two full offseason's. That is what it will take to make Tebow more than just a novelty. Albeit one that wins.
In my opinion, Tim Tebow has played his way into forcing Elway's hand in this. It's not that Elway was against Tebow from the start or any of that crap, this is Elway needing to be shown that Tebow can succeed in the NFL. Tim Tebow pulled a 4th quarter comeback on John Elway, because I can promise you there is no way Elway believed Tebow would play this well when it mattered the most - with the game on the line. Tebow's play has sealed the deal.
The other point I felt the need to make was in response to the typical "can the Broncos sustain this" question. You all know the type of question I'm talking about. My response was that people assume or give their opinion on Tebow as if he has already reached his full potential. The dude has barely scratched the surface of his potential. I think John Elway and the Broncos are beginning to understand this reality and the proof will be seen come the 2012 offseason. The question for Broncos fans today isn't if Tebow will be a Bronco in 2012 and beyond, but how the Broncos will proceed with Tebow in 2012 and beyond.
All I know for sure is this. The only other player I felt could break the will of the other team in the final minutes of a game to win it was John Elway. It's been 14 years since I've felt that way. Sure Jake Plummer, Jay Cutler and even Kyle Orton have given us exhilarating victories, but there is a difference and it is distinct. I wrote a post about this and is schedule to post later this afternoon, so stay tuned!
Haters Hate...
The Main Stream Media (MSM) miss the mark again with the Broncos, but we've come to expect that level of arrogance. When teams use that cliche, "Us against the world", well for once a team can finally use that as a truthful rally cry.
Only the truly delusion will think Tim Tebow will somehow lead the Broncos to six straight wins to finish out the season, so I urge fortitude when this team does falter because every venomous pundit is bidding their time for when they can once again discredit everything this football team is about.
I'd like to end with a plea to Broncos fans caught up in the politics/religion of Tebow. Forget all that. Look at how this team plays for Tebow. He has helped make our team relevant again and he represents our organization with class. If Steeler fans can look past Big Ben's raping of drunken women, surely you can look past Tebow's beliefs. We're all here to watch Broncos football. Man that's all its about!
Winning Isn't Everything. It's the only thing.
GO BRONCOS!
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Great post. Personally I would like to see Elway hedge his bets, because although I am LOVING the way Tebow is progressing and playing, I’m still not convinced his passing can be improved enough to make him a consistent, credible threat in the passing game. So here’s what I’d love to see:
First or second round draft of Robert Griffin III from Baylor, who runs a 4.3 40 and can flat out wing the ball—he is incredibly accurate. But here’s the thing: he’s not Tebow’s replacement, per se. Instead, the Broncos keep playing this offense, only put BOTH Tebow and Griffin in the backfield, using mostly this shotgun wishbone formation. Both players can run the ball, and while Griffin’s undoubtedly a better passer, Tim can still throw when necessary. Then we have a dual threat for both run and pass, one lefty and one righty, and the defense won’t know until the ball’s snapped who’s going to run the play. And the thing about both players is that they can also each line up as a flanker and be a credible receiving threat. If we’re going to use Tebow to revolutionize the game, let’s really revolutionize the game!
In 1-2 years we can discern who is the “real” quarterback, if necessary, who is trade bait, and even whether to find a way to keep them both.
I’m doubtful this could happen, but I think it’s likely Denver will draft a quarterback regardless, so why not reach for someone who can COMPLIMENT what we already have in Tebow, and build our offensive personnel around a multi-threat offensive philosophy, rather than reverting to pro-style offense?
RG III and Tebow in the same backfield sounds like fun.
I really like this concept, especially as I am wedded to the notion that QBs need to pass with accuracy and consistency. I suppose the odds of having this dual threat in the backfield are long, maybe someone will make it happen in Madden, lol!
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 19, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
Here is the thing Arctic and Dirk...
Tebow is improving his passing EVERY week. I am a HIGE fan of RG3 but to think he could come into the NFL and do even half as well as Tebow is doing now is a HUGE leap of faith. I wont speak of dropped balls, badly ran routes, some of Tebow throw aways being deridden as bad throws….that will just be opinion.
What I will SPEAK of is that now all any of the doubters, or those hedgers, is that all that left to talk about is his accuracy, which can be fixed in one off season.
He has a good football brain…you can see it on that last play…he knew EXACTLY what the Jets were doing. He is recognizng defenses, making the right plays, and is careful with the ball.
Lets go thru the laundry list of things that, apparently Tebow could not do:
- read defenses.
- run at the NFL level.
- win over this team.
- run the option.
- get hurt.
- too slow to run it.
- improve his mechanics.
- not smart enough
- spent too much time in summer doing things with his fame.
- get more accurate
Look at this laundry list, and in the space of 8 games every one of these, bar doubts on his accuracy, have been eliminated.
I will go with what his team mates and coaches say. We are not seeing practice, but if you watch you can tell he is becoming a better player and QB with every start.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
boydy
I like what I am seeing. Tebow is making a believer out of me. I had no reason to doubt him other than his inexperience. I don’t watch college ball so I did not see him play. I don’t care about personal beliefs or lifestyles (other than criminal behavior). I am concerned about his running because of the danger of injury. It makes a ton of sense to me that he is better hitting during a run over being hit in the pocket. That does not mean he won’t get hurt running.
He is showing rapid improvement, meaning he has a good understanding of the game (he should) and he is a quick learner. I like that. He has rapidly improved in his passing, crisper throws and more on target. The team has found ways to win using the players we have and I really like that. But….. It is very early! He may still be hurt. He still needs to get on the same page with the receivers. Despite the fact that the option offense is working, DC’s around the league may find an answer so the team needs to get the passing attack working. Even if the option continues to work, we would only be more dangerous with a pass attack.
I like what I am seeing. I still worry about Tebow getting hurt. I want to see more consistent offensive play. There is room for improvement. I don’t think we have seen enough to make any conclusions yet, in fact I would like to see a whole season of this before I say it will work.
Still, I am sold on this team as it is and I look forward to watching us without the dread and fear I have been feeling the past few years.
Go Broncos!
I believe.... 11-5 till we ain't baby!
Great post man....I agree...it is still early....but you are an honest, open fan my friend, thats why I always like your stuff...
People will latch on to something with the kid. From my researrch on Elway, seems many did that with him too.
Thanks for the post mate!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Already have man!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I'm in same boat as Sean, Boydy
I had some doubts about how quick he would get going, and I do still believe he was actually throwing the ball better last year, but he is still showing that the NFL is indeed not too much for him to handle. He really has shown in his play that he is very good at deciphering the X’s and O’s, and the NFL play is slowing down for him. I thought he would have a bit harder time keeping the ball away from the other team, but he has indeed been unbelievably good. That is probably the single biggest reason why Fox and co. will continue to keep faith in him, even in the inevitably bad game that will pop up once in awhile. I have been critical of him in the past when I felt it has been needed, and you have prodded me to be specific with my reasoning, I will continue to do so, and I expect you to continue to do the same. But it is all good, and all in fun, because it is the guy we believe in, and will bring our team back to the glory that it is used to being in. The ride has been fun so far, and I look forward to where it will take us. He can only get better.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
that does not sound like a bad idea
but I think (more like KNOW) Tebow will improve his passing. You don’t rack up the passing stats he did in the Junior NFL (SEC) without the ability to pass the football.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
by PaleHorse78 on Nov 19, 2011 11:52 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Agreed - his passing will get better as he gets more experience with NFL game speed, more practice reps and time with the receivers
Its not like he never completed a pass before he got drafted.
His sheer arm strength is better than many QBs in the league even if his accuracy leads or consistency suck at times.
His style of play will lead to more defensive mistakes or risks and when he can start being more consistent at hitting open receivers that can be a big improvement in itself
Tom Landry proved
alternate quarterbacks will NOT work, if we draft RGIII, Tebow won’t be the quarterback every down
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 19, 2011 12:05 PM MST up reply actions
You dont take a guy with the leadership skills and belief of his team off the field...EVER!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
exactly
so I guess we need to pass on RG III, we have other needs anyway
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 19, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Keeping Tebow in...
My idea was that Tebow would stay in every down or nearly every down, but ADD RG3 to the backfield, as well. I totally agree that Tebow’s improved, but will he improve enough? I mean, improving from where he was still isn’t saying much—there are still lots of throws he clanks/misses, even discounting the drops and throwaways. I am still VERY skeptical that he becomes a quality passer in just one off season, if ever. I REALLY hope he does. But are we banking the whole franchise on that? At the least he’ll need a quality backup regardless, so why not just draft as I was suggesting so you have all bases covered and have the possibility of doing something really unique and special?
I'm not fond of taking any QB in 2012.
Pick up a CFA that has similar skill set to Tebow in case of injury who can run the offense for 2012. As Tebow becomes a better passer and can run a pro-style offense, pick up a solid prototypical backup.
David Garrard anyone?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Forget labels
Think of it as Tim as the manager/option runner, Griffin as the thrower, and each alternating as the “slash” player. In other words, we’d have two Kordell Stewarts on the field at all times.
I completely disagree....much of Tebow's passing problems have to do with a young WR corps as well....he passed well last year with gaff and Lloyd.....it will come around for sure.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Passed well?
That’s not what I remember, although I could be wrong. Any evidence?
And I was saying that you can call Tebow the QB if you want—he’s the playcaller/leader out there. But most of the passing would probably be done by Griffin, and they could each alternate who takes the ball and runs the triple option (although Tebow would probably do this more—Griffin’s a good runner but also built like a walking stick). If Tebow works out, then we trade Griffin. If Tebow never learns how to throw, then use him as something other than the sole quarterback.
And again, I hope Tebow comes along, but his improvement, though real, is still nowhere NEAR what we’d need to have a consistent, credible passing attack.
Put it this way: I don’t want the Broncos to gamble the future on whether Tebow learns how to throw THIS offseason. It seems clear that this team is gelling and playing well enough to win NOW, and is only a few pieces and some key position improvements from being a contender. This is a good year for quarterbacks, and they should grab someone of quality now before facing the decision of having to trade up to get the ONE decent player next year or the year after, if it turns out Tim can’t pass the ball well enough after all.
Plenty of highlight reels.
Tebow last year was a better passer than Tebow was starting this year. It was clear to me how much he regressed without an offseason.
Look at it this way. Named starter, traded lloyd. The WR he worked with all off season and was traded away was Gaffney.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Sorry man, when you throw for 308 yards your second game you can throw the damn ball. I would never buy into your idea...never.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
There are several good qb's in the upcoming draft.. Denver WILL draft one of them.
Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.
by BroncoRick69 on Nov 19, 2011 4:48 PM MST up reply actions
1-3 Rounder
After that, why bother getting a QB at all? And listen, I’d rather NOT draft a QB—we have lots of other needs. But I don’t think they’re betting the farm on Tebow, and given that, why not go for a QB who compliments Tebow’s strengths and could stand in for him if he’s hurt or playing like crap?
The worst possible thing that could happen would be drafting someone like Foles who can stand and deliver rockets, but can’t make any other kind of play.
The point is to pick up an option QB.
They are plentiful as CFA’s or late in the draft. The point is to get a backup, not waste a high pick when we could draft a position of NEED.
We can get a guy like Garrard at back up...mentor and good mobile QB....dont need to waste a draft pick on that...and we have Weber too...I would be happy with that set of QB's.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Dont see it...we have more needs by and by season's end the Qb position wont be a position of need, it will be a position of strength.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Hope so!
Just saying that if it seems likely Broncos want to draft a QB (even just in case), I would love to see them land Griffin.
Question about getting an option QB from CFA’s: are there any around that can throw the ball?
Agreed man. I love RG3
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Exactly.
Said elsewhere what we need is a world class running back, and pushing for Trent Richardson. He is a beast and can see him taking over for McGahee. And he can catch too.
That's an interesting proposal
It would be like a complete wild-cat offense!
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Good read Tim
He has helped make our team relevant again and he represents our organization with class.
The man was golden on TV after the game. His stance does not waver, he is humble and shares his successes. The best praise I can give the man is his unwavering persona.
Go Broncos!
I believe.... 11-5 till we ain't baby!
Agreed Sean.....he is just a guy EVERYONE believes in....like Novocain....just give it time.....it will work .
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Never...thats like watching a bunch of retards trying to hump a door knob (quote from Dodgeball before I am piled on!)
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
In a parallel universe sort of way, imagine Fox sitting on a barcalounger at the 50 during practice, yelling “if you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a linebacker!” then proceeding to chuck wrenches at all the rb’s
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Hahaha...perfect visual....Patches McFox!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I'm looking on the Ocho
But I don’t see the next game listed :(
Go Broncos!
I believe.... 11-5 till we ain't baby!
Hahaha....yeah, it was either NFL Ticket or the Ocho. Did I make the right choice?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I have to say his NFL Network interview post game was pitch perfect
He seemed to win over that group in his nature after the performance.
I can't stop watching these two videos:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d8243b48b/QB-Tebow-20-yd-run-TD
http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d8243b64f/Tebow-s-game-winning-drive
by Tim Lynch on Nov 19, 2011 11:35 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Same here
I must have seen each of those 20 times yesterday.
by Dirk Gently on Nov 19, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
hehe...20 would be a low number for me I think.
I woke up our 2 yr old when he scored the TD and my wife was pissed at the time. Things are smoothed over now, so I had her watch the drive video and she understands now why I freaked out at the end. lol
I love talking Broncos after a win!
You and me both, brother Tim
After the Raiders game, I told anyone who would listen “F*** OAKLAND!!!!”, but on Thursday night, I had no one to talk to….nearly drove me crazy!
GO BRONCOS!!!!
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Agreed Zap and Zog...my wife was at the game with me...she had always been wavering between her love for the Cowboys (being from Dallas) but she is now a TOTAL Denver fan...she was as excited as me!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Interesting...my wife is a casual Cowboys fan as well.
I think Tebow is winning her over though…she’ll never be anything more than a casual fan though. Football just isn’t her thing.
My wife loves it...reason I love football...although she is more a college fan....USC allum and I love the Trojans too.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Great post Tim. Your piece on Tebow is dead on. Rec’d
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Thanks man!
It’s okay to be both objective and a Bronco fan. This early in a players career is not a time to offer absolutes…yet that is all we are getting lately.
Most definitely
You spelled out exactly how I feel about Tebow right now. Still too soon to say he’s going to be the future or a failure, but right now its leaning towards the former. What are your feelings about taking the divsion? Im trying to temper my expectations. I was telling my buddies that last night, but they’re thinking post season. Im thinking more like 1 game at a time fellas…
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
People assume we have to win the division to get in....
Look at the wild card hunt and 2 of the 4 teams ahead or tied with the Broncos have been beaten by the Broncos. We still play the Bills. The only team that could steal the #6 seed is the Titans.
Just sayin…
lol for sure
they beat the Chargers on the 28th, then Im all on board the post season bandwagon. Right now Im at 40% they make it in
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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I like the nod to Andre Goodman and the point is well taken. He isn’t the Champ and if he was that good, then we would truly be great back there! We would also see Champ get more balls and make a few mistakes as well.
I personally appreciated a great deal the fact that Tim Tebow is not shy about, or afraid to give credit to his belief that the God he believes in is the reason he has been so blessed. Most of the so called “Christian Majority” in this country also believe the same way.
The fact is, that they ware it on a tag on the inside of their under ware! In other words, they are embarrassed about what some people might think of them based upon those beliefs, so like their under ware, they hide it!
Tim is not, and he has every right to use the “platform”, as he so appropriately called it, to spread some good. He didn’t put himself on the platform we did When I get to see a ring of big, huge tough guys form a “Prayer Ring” out there on the field after a hard fought game I’m cheering for them because they care about their beliefs and fear NO ONE!
Ooops! I used that controversial B word again. I forgot that it is okay to Believe that you will win, and shout it out, but not ok to Believe in God and shout that out! Even from a news stand point, I like great news verses terrible news every time!
How often every week do we hear about another Professional Athlete getting arrested! Once? Twice? It happens so often it is getting ignored these days. I LMAO watching the Thursday Night Wrap up on the NFL channel. Talk about professional reporters stumbling all over themselves without even leaving their seats! It should be aired on comedy central.
Anyway. I completely agree with the points you make here and feel that Believing is exactly what this team has been missing! They believe in TT to make some things happen despite all the criticism he has received!
That alone has to have an affect on some others on this team who most certainly feel that any criticism they may have gotten doesn’t matter either. Belief in yourself can be a bigger thing than one might imagine! I Believe that we are seeing the results of how powerful that word is!
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It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
Appreciate your thoughts
Although I must point out that it is MHR’s long standing policy to try to keep political or religious debates out of all threads. I cannot express enough how many feel like this type of stuff is being shoved down their throats. It is what it is.
My goal is not to force people to accept Tebow’s faith, rather to move BEYOND it. We’re football fans. We’re Broncos fans. We’re all here for the love of the game. Period. If Tebow is going to be what I think he will become, then those fans who have a problem with his wearing of his faith on his sleeve are going to need to get past it or move on.
I think as time goes by, winning will cure all and people who dislike religion will once again focus on the football part of this equation. After all, that’s why we are here. Football. Not politics. Not Religion. Football. I’m happy for Tebow. I wish I had his strength of character. I don’t, but I won’t hold it against him. I’ll just continue to do my thing and go crazy for the Broncos like I’ve always done.
Hear! Hear!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Nov 19, 2011 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
I can understand how Tim Tebow opening comments on thanking his lord and savior may irritate others
It even twitched me a bit but now its background noise that I accept will happen and move beyond it as do the press in the room.
But I’ve heard those comments being mocked by the radio heads at ESPN and Fox Sports as an easy mark. But as time goes on and especially if the wins accumulate over time that will lessen. But being a starting NFL quarterback will always put a big target on your back no matter who you are or what you believe.
Since 3/4th of this post is Tebow you tend to lose the value of the originality...I'm done talking about our quarterback...
Andre Goodman that is the original theme right? Goodman is a very good CB,but get’s very little credit from so-called know-it-alls! No way is his play as good as Champs, but it is servicable for our needs until we draft a player or two. Remember Cox was supposed to be that guy, but he like dead-drunk girls, they don’t move and intercept his passes…I look for EFX to look hard at the top 3-4 CBs coming out this year and it all depends on where we draft of how and who they take, it should always be the BPA not a certain need…
To be fair.
500 words for defense.
650 for Tebow
200 for haters
So we’ll say just under HALF was dedicated to Tebow. :P
lol
It's true
Andre’ Goodman doesn’t defile women until he does, so he’s not going to jail!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 19, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
defensive line is awesome
though we can always continue to look for d-line help, i am quite happy with the improvement and dedication of this current group. they have really been coming on strong and i think shows how important a pass rush is. i have seen the resignation in the eyes of the opposing qb’s. i look forward to the rest of the games this year, this group is really playing as a TEAM!
Great post Zappa...
I am stoked for Andre. I was bagging on him too. The jets came put after half time and went STRAIGHT at him.
But he hung tough, made a great play and then kept on grinding. You could tell the team was GENERALLY excited for him.
I am now a fan of Goodman. His interview was awesome.
He is the epitome of what this whole team is about!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Cool post
This team plays with so much more confidence when Tebow is under center. Not only this, but they play with more passion and desire to win. I am loving the way this team is playing, getting back to the running game and pounding it down opposing teams’ throats; at the end of the game, we are the team that is “out-physicaling” the other.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
yeah...they are knocking the crap out of people...its awesome!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
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Good write Tim. Hit the nail on the head.
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On Goodman
I would say his time as a Bronco has been different all 3 years, but it seemed that in the the first 2 years that he got stronger as the year went on. It did not look good for him early on this year, but this could be where he continues the trend and plays lights out football from here on out
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Very great Tim
And nice vantage point to look at that. I agree with everything. But on the Goodman part, I’m still not convinced that he still can be on the field. Ok, the dude definitively bought himself some time in my mind, but I still think he is done. He lost more than 1 step and he is getting burned more often than I’d like to see… anyway, I really think his days are count in Denver until the next draft.
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I still don’t believe there was any bias against Tebow on the part of Elway and Fox. I think this was all an example of the media inventing a storyline and then everyone basically reinforcing each other that it was correct.
I think that the simplest explanation is probably the best:
Front office thought Orton would be traded. The trade fell through. All of a sudden, the brand new front office has an Orton hanging around, as well as an entire team that is used to playing with him and seeing him as their well-respected captain. You’ve got a front office that is trying to get buy-in from the players, and prove to them that everyone will be treated fairly. You can’t just bench Orton and promote Tebow. Orton’s play hadn’t deserved it, and Tebow hadn’t earned it. They had to manufacture a team first, and they did this by announcing Orton as the starter early on, to create some stability and foundation, and then basically wait for Orton to play himself out of the starting role, which he did. Tebow then had to earn the starting spot and prove he belonged there, which is why Fox only referred to him as week-to-week at first.
This is a front office that respects their players. Some of the players made the situation more difficult than it should have been (read: Brandon Lloyd) but they were handled. I mean, when you look at how the situation could have been handled, and how much worse it could have been… it’s pretty amazing how happy everyone is right now.
Great take Tune.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Very good post Tim
I have been saying over the past while that I think Goodman has been a liability and that the interception only evened out his weak coverage earlier in the game.However, reading your post made me realized maybe there are better days to come for Goodman. I hope so, but he is not getting any younger either. I still believe we will need to look at CBs early in the draft.
Now we can make Rivers cry next week-end with his sixth straight lost in a row. Can’t wait!
by macklure on Nov 20, 2011 7:26 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Like how you dropped a brick on Rapesburgers foot..
Goodman stepped up for sure.. I see the whole team is adjusting in a similar fashion..who knows what may happen now that some old history is leaving in the form of Orton.. might do even more wonders in the locker room.. never know.
Good article. Thanks for writing it..
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