Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 11/2/11
by Tim Lynch on Nov 2, 2011 7:53 AM MDT
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Thanks Tim...
The Walter Football article is very interesting, and I tend to agree with him regarding game planning.
He is right: we have WR’s that cant catch or separate, a shit O line and with out doubt the worst OC in the business, and a HC that is hard to get a handle on….what hope does Tebow or this offense have.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Sad to Say
But I think Tebow will be one of those five year projects that will thrive AFTER he gets released/traded from the Broncos. If that’s the case, I just pray he ends up in the NFC.
Tebow was always a long term project....
Just to make it clear where I stand, I’m a Tebow skeptic. I have always felt that the odds of him becoming a quality starting NFL quarterback were slim.
But – if he was going to succeed, he needed to be on a different team. Tebow needed to be on a quality team with an established starting quarterback. He needed to sit and learn all the skills necessary to be a QB in the NFL. Florida, as great a college football powerhouse as they are, runs a system that has not once in the modern era produced a decent starting quarterback in the NFL because their system simply does not require a quarterback that has those skills. Instead it requires a great athlete. Tebow is far behind most all other NFL quarterbacks in the requisite skills, and it’s now showing.
McDaniels did Tebow no favors by squandering all those picks to draft him in the first round. By drafting him in the first round, instead of the third or fourth round where he should have been drafted, McDaniels placed all the lofty expectations of any first round quarterback squarely on the shoulders of a player who simply had not yet developed the skill set necessary to fulfill those expectations. Tebow has now been placed in an almost impossible situation which will likely damage whatever hope he had of being a decent starting QB.
Yep....and no in line blocking TE thats worth shit.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
yeah, very sad that our strongest group (WR) was one of our weakest last week.
I hope they step up. Decker, and maybe Willis if he can be more consistent, are our only bright spots at that position at the moment and the only ones that can seem to get any separation. DT is lost and needs to get on track. Royal can’t separate or catch.
I won’t even get into our O-line (ugh Franklin)
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by BroncoMath101 on Nov 2, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Why are we seeing a different Tebow now than we did at the end of last season?
Is it because Elway/Fox/McCoy are trying to develop a style in him he isn’t used to? Is it that teams have figured him out and scheme to his weaknesses? Is it that his teammates have lost confidence in him and don’t play 100% for him on offense? There is a problem and it needs fixed quickly, it’s just hard to put a finger on the every issue…
Yep...but Orton regressed too and the scheme did him no favors either. The problem is the OC, and a HC that wont take any action.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Nov 2, 2011 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Or the problem is....this team is bad.
by Tim Lynch on Nov 2, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Another thing many of us miss with regards to O line...
We got rid of our 2 best blocking TE’s. Daniel Graham did a great job last year protecting, and especially with tebow. And he is a reason why Hasselback has not been sacked much for Tennessee.
We also got rid of Richard Quinn who was becoming a good blocking TE…and now we have Fells (averege blocker), Thomas (Bad blocker) and Green (worse blocker) and Roasario is a average blocker too.
Add to the fact we have a RT who is better suited to being a guard its no wonder NONE of our QB’s have a a chance.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Yeah it is...but has been made worst by some of the deals this administration has pulled, especially on the O side of the ball.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Tim, exactly.
The NFL and MSM is full of nothing but how bad Tebow is.
EFX need to learn that this whole team is horrible.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
The Think Tank article by Peter King is great....
And makes me worry more that our coaches and team are clueless. I highly recommend reading it
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1191786/1/index.htm
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Nice article...throw it in the fanshots man!
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Same could be said for all the fans who felt Orton was to blame.
I just felt Orton was below average – which he is – but I didn’t think Tebow would necessarily win more games. I hoped he would, but obviously that hope was crushed last weekend.
At least we get a full season of evaluation in. lol
very bad
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by BroncoMath101 on Nov 2, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow and Orton
could have the same problems. Orton was regressing under the last coach too as we all know. Orton was also clearly feeling the strain of fans chanting “Tebow” whenever he took a sack, turned it over or missed a wide open receiver. Tebow is under a different kind of pressure; his most ardent supporters seemed to think a QB switch was all Denver needed to turn the tide. Now whenever he takes a sack, turns it over or misses a wide open receiver he scrutinized as to weather he is good enough. I don’t care how upbeat and strong willed you are, you are going to have doubts yourself. The pressure to be the QB of the Denver Broncos is just suffocating.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't ever want that word put into effect in my lifetime again
you can see it still lingers :(
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Bill, go and watch last years games...there is an OBVIOUS difference in scheme and play calling....
O line is spread more, more outlet options, more misdirection, the Offensive front is nowhere near as stacked as what we see today.
I honestly think that mcCoy just gives opposing defenses SO many clues on what he is doing: Offensive line tightens, tebow under center: its a run. Spread on 3rd downs….its a 5 step/ 7 step long throw.
Distincy lack of screens and bubble screens this season. Tebow being played more under center (which he needs to learn).
And look at the difference in scheme between Dolphins and Lions game: it was an example of 2 extremes, where maybe a merge of the both is where we need to be.
I thought the game plan on the weekend was a joke, bar the first drive and then the 4th Q.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Nov 2, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
You could have still called a better 4th Quarter boydy
so could my dead grandma, it’s garbage time my friend
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Mate, I was trying to be nice....you know how hard that is for me! LOL
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Sorry I didn't get back to your comment, I had to go to the doctors...
I’m getting the impression that EFX don’t want Tebow and are just going through the motions to pease the fans and media…
Agreed man. McCoy and Gase?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
How about McD's playbook and Fox's playbook.
by Tim Lynch on Nov 2, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally.....and the fact that McCoy has never called plays before until the last 3 games last year.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
McCoy was also OC under Fox at Carolina.
How did that turn our?
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
And I dont believe he called plays there.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I have wondered also......who does call these plays?
And who makes them stick to “the plan” when it isn’t working?
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
All on McCoy now.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I am not sure how much Fox is involved...but it has to fall at Fox's feet too as he is the HC.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Hey Boiler...I think McCoy was fox's quarterback coach in Carolina...
McD promoted him ot OC but didn’t let him call the plays.
Actually
he was QB coach and Passing Game Coordinator at Carolina.
by Broncologist on Nov 2, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
But he was not the game planner and play caller for the whole offense until last 3 games last season.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Fox was an awful hire and it's starting to show now
I was on the Dennison wagon before Fox was hired and my Carolina friends also warned me about Fox’s conservative/sucky nature.
I’ve said this before so many times… It’s excessively ironic that this is the type of football team Elway wants. Elway hated/disliked Dan Reeves for the Run,Run, Pass, Punt offense he endured in the 80s yet here we are again.
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by CombatChuk on Nov 2, 2011 8:30 AM MDT reply actions 4 recs
Chuk...I SO wanted Rico as well.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I’m am a 100% believer. John in his podcast talked about how Al Wilson was the last great breed of players from our past that new how to be a player, how to be a winner. Dennison knows this too – whats more is my cousin (we call him Ricky), has always been a Bronco.
He is Montana born (which a lot of people from Montana are well known Denver fans). He grew up a fan of the Broncos as well. He went to college in Colorado, played as a Denver Bronco a long career and came back and coached 2 super bowls for the Broncos (once as a ST coach and one as the line coach, and had stints as the OC).
He’s interviewed specifically as HC for the Broncos and the Broncos only twice now. He will be Denver head coach after a couple years of Fox. I whole heartedly believe in it.
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
could just be the Kool AId in me tho
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
Nah man...I am with ya....I wanted him from the start. Kubes fired...Rico in with Kubes as OC, What could have been? Instead, we wind up with McCoy and a retread.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I think maybe Elway is a little over his head too....he is a rookie as well.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Prediction
Rick Dennison will be hired as the Broncos Head Coach within 3 years.
3rd time’s a charm.
Looking like Uncle Rico would have been the obvious and best choice as well. Plus he has Bronco blood and that means something!
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by BroncoMath101 on Nov 2, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
I think Fox was temporary to begin with
Hire a guy to get our defense up to snuff and then find the coach of the future.
So far you can’t argue with the Von Miller pick and some of the other draft picks look like they might be progressing well. Give Fox another draft on defense and then bring in a real Coach to lead us to the promised land.
Problem is that whenever you bring in a new coach, he wants his guys—players and assistant coaches.
You can say he has to work with what the team has but that isn’t how it works in practice. The coach has a vision and the team finds players to fit that vision.
Just how it works. If you pick the wrong coach you get more roster turnover when he gets replaced.
Fox was hired because he was the best of a weak coaching class and for PR purposes—he was the opposite of McD. If we hired another young OC, people would have been up in arms.
I see Fox as a solid guy but ultimately mediocre. The stars could align and he could take us or any team to the SB. But being a consistent contender—I don’t see it.
by McJay on Nov 2, 2011 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not having an offseason
especially for a new coach doesn’t help matters either.
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I was against the Fox hire as well
But this is sad, everyone is saying Tebow needs two seasons to prove what he’s worth but won’t give Fox one season, to fix a 4-12 team. We were bad last season, really bad, and the fact we expected our new coach to just turn this ship around super fast is sad. Calm down Bronco fans, this isn’t a quick fix, give Fox time.
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by Topher Doll on Nov 2, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was kinda on the fence with Fox since McDaniels screwed us up so badly I thought a defensively minded coach might be a breath of fresh air...
I’ll give him time to get this team up and rolling and won’t bash him yet. It takes time with a new coach.
That's what I'm saying
We are giving players time to get used to a new system or to see what they have, why can’t we give our coach the same time.
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I agree Max
I must say, I find it odd that some of the same people who blindly defended the previous coach though disastrous blunder after blunder after blunder, and went into frothing at the mouth hysterics when he was finally (and deservedly) fired, were calling for Fox’s head four games into his first year in which he had the added hindrance of a lockout to deal with.
’tis odd, no?
For me it's seeing Fox running the Broncos the same way he did in Carolina (Which got him fired there)
Usually coaches learn something from getting fired (like Shanahan getting someone who’s actually good at Defense as D-coordinator)…
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Fox hasn't even had a full off-season to put anything into place
Add in Fox brought in a top tier DC, is using a much more aggressive offense than he used in Carolina, I think he’s trying. I’m not a Fox fan, but I’m going to give him time to try and get things set up.
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Doesn't really matter, fox will get more than one season regardless, but Tebow won't...
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
If
they don’t spend the entire week practicing 5-15 yard slants to counter the “9 dudes in the box” strategy that’s now been employed the past two weeks, then I don’t know what the hell these coaches are thinking
Amen....
Even a football dimwit like myself can see that. I thought we’d see it in Tim’s first start…..
Then I hoped McCoy would make adjustments for the Lions……
Now, I’m not sure McCoy is smarter than me when it comes to playcalling…..I hope he finally “gets it” this week.
If not, there may be merit to them stubbornly sticking to the vertical game just to make Tim play where he’s least comfortable.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
See Todd, i dont think McCoy is smarter than any of us.....for me, thats a leap of faith I wont make as he does nothing of note on offense.
Its like martindale was on defense last year!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I thought Studesville was DC last year
and Wink the year before that…..
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Nope...Studesville was running backs coach.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I sure hope you're wrong :)
I’d really like to see the playcalling from the end of last year….do that while mixing in pocket passes and see where we stand at the end of the season.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
I'm not sure slant routes are the best thing to counter "9 dudes in the box"
You would just be running routes right into the defense. Just because a defense loads the box, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are blitzing a ton of guys. I do agree that they should be practicing that route all week though, because if Tebow continues to throw slants high like the one he threw to Royal, he’s going to get somebody injured.
I could be completely wrong here too, but I think the reason for all of the play-action is to get those guys in the box to take a step forward and give your receivers a better chance at having a one-on-one match up with the corner. It also creates some room behind the linebackers for the drag patterns like the one Fells was wide open on, but Tebow chose to take a shot with Decker deep in single coverage.
gives you a shot at man coverage
Same with quick hitches, bubble/wr screens. Let them have between the hashes and take yards on easy one-read passes. You complete a few of those and the defense will have to back off with the safties and LBs.
That's what opposing teams want...
they are banking on Tebow not being able to hit receivers in man coverage. He he can’t hit the out pattern and he isn’t confident enough in his throws to hit a reciever who gets that precious inches of separation. Those long passes last week were an attempt to back guys off the line and get Detroit into Cover 2. Hit a couple big plays like that and you will back a team off. Hit some out patterns for five or six yards a pop and you make the defense think twice about outside blitzes. I also seem to recall a LOT of moaning last season because McCoy was calling bubble screens too much in Tebow’s first start.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions
So far the WR's are having a hard time getting open on the deeper routes, even in one on one.....
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
Neither have any of them...there is failure all around from Tim to the O line.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
The blame can be passed all around
Nobody is always at fault, and nobody is always without fault. The WR’s do get separation sometimes and Tebow delivers a bad pass, other times Tebow delivers a good ball and the WR’s drop it. The line hasn’t been good at picking up blitzes and stunts, and I think Tebow could do a better job of feeling his way around the pocket. The offense really lacks synergy, you can chalk that up to the QB’s, the coaches, the lockout or whatever you want, but the reality is it’s probably not going to miraculously get fixed in the middle of the season.
Exactly....the team failed monumentally on all levels, in the same game, on the weekend...maybe they will all fire together against the raiders.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Here's the deal...I want Tebow under center with a three to 5 step drop and the ball on it's way in 2.5 seconds to the receiver before he is in position to catch the ball.
If we can’t get that out of Tim then he will struggle against defenses. And, for gods sake shorten up the delivery dude, your not Don Drysdale for crying out loud!
Tebow's throwing motion adds about half a second to his throw.
If you watch, I think it was the last drive for Denver, out of our own endzone. Tebow hits Royal on a 4 route. The delivery is so slow that by the time Royal has the ball the safety has come up to make the stop. Royal was wide open on his break and could have turned it up-field for some YACs.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Do the Lions realize
that saying Tebow sucks, they are implying that it wasnt their skill and effort that shut him down? Dummies.
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 2, 2011 9:00 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Their just being smartasses as they are and it will come back and bite them one day...
They forgot where they came from the past 4-5 decades…
Why is broncodom consuming what the media is spewing out?
I know things are tough. I get Tebow played like crap. I get what it means to be a bronco fan, been one since before their first super bowl. I bleed orange like every other die hard fan. Why are we allowing the media idiots to frame the discussion and the possible outcomes?
We are supposed to be embarred by Sunday. Yea, it was embarrassing. But was it any more embarrasing then the first half of the San Diego game, the one where Orton played every bit as bad as Tebow has lately? That was not even against a very good team. Why is Sunday any more embarrassing then the way Orton played in the first Half of the Packer game that basically put the game out of reach by half? Were we supposed to feel good he played a little better in the second half? When you could make the same arguments about his production in garbage time as people make about Tebow’s streaks of good play?
Was Tebow more embarrassing on Sunday or the fact that a wide open Lions receiver was 20 yards behind the secondary in the end zone? But, but he had a sack/fumble/score against him. What, that never happen to any other quarterback. What I find embarrassing about that play is the way a DE blew by our RT and as on Tebow in less than 2 seconds. Not only that, but because he did not impede him one iota, he was in perfect position to tomahawk chop the ball and pick it up and run with it.
But, but, he threw a pick six. Again, never happened to any other qb, right? Funny thing about that, the play before Tebow took the snap and bought some time extending the play and then threw the ball away because no one was open. The next play he forced it, he bought time and no one was open and I guarantee he knew he forced it. What did we want him to do throw it away and kick a field goal when we were down 30? What I find embarrassing is no one was open on either play. It is not like he missed an open guy and threw the pick six.
Yes he missed open receivers, yes he needs to improve. But what exactly is so embarrassing about playing a project at the QB position on a team that is one of the 5 worst teams in the NFL? How many more wins are we going to have with Orton or Brady as opposed to Tebow? One, maybe two? What is so embarrassing about trying to figure out if you need to burn a high draft choice on a QB? What exactly is the hurry with this team that we can’t lose maybe one or two more games to determine if Tebow can play?It is not like we have another development prospect waiting in the wings we need to make room for. Worst case scenario we are in a better draft position for Laundry, Barkley or whatever players we want?
I don’t get why, as bronco fans, we would allow the media to rush a situation when there is no rush.
by Keyworthpunch on Nov 2, 2011 9:10 AM MDT reply actions 12 recs
I meant lose one or two more games over the course of the season
with Tebow at QB then if we were playing Quinn or Brady. I don’t see why one or two games over the rest of the season is such an embarrasing price for a top 5 worst team to pay to know what direction they need to head in the future. Damn some top 5 worst teams don’t get that kind of clarity for years.
by Keyworthpunch on Nov 2, 2011 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Well said! This couldn’t have been stated any better.. Sometimes it seems like the willingness to rush find out, the impatience, and the sort leashes people get around here as of the past few years, mixed with some bad decisions, keep this team in rebuilding mode…there seems to be no or little continuity or willingness to develop..how can we build on something and try to improve when things are always in a state of flux? Maybe I’m waay off base here, and if so I apologize, I just feel the constant upheavals and the quickness of letting people go or finding replacements after such a short time is hurting us more than helping..just my opinion ofcourse..
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 2, 2011 9:34 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Yep!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
It's Orton's fault
no question, had he made better decisions, Fox wouldn’t have felt prompted to pull the trigger on the “Tebow era.”
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sick of hearing about Tebow and miss writers actually writing about the Broncos
and just not the quarterback.
What went completely missed last week
Knowshon ran very well
Demaryius Thomas got little playing time and seems to lack that Top End Speed many believe he had
Elvis played, but remains sackless on the year
Flip Flopping at Safety with Rookies Carter and Moore
Ryan McBean seems to be “stalking” the opponent very well lately
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 2, 2011 9:16 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Moreno didn’t play well IMO. He continues to have way too many runs of 1 yard or less. The guy does us no good at all if he runs for 14 yards on first down and follows that up with a -1 yard run and 2 yard run. Sure he is averaging 5 yards a carry, but it’s 3rd and 9 and we’re only on our own 35 yard line. Tebow drops back, Franklin gets toasted, Tim takes off for a 3 yard gain and we’re punting after four plays.
That is the Moreno most of us have grown to dislike.
If you just throw away the worthless stats and look at his impact on the game and how teams deal with him, you realize he is just a dime a dozen RB that strikes no fear into the hearts of anyone.
Ask yourself this. How often do you think to yourself after a Bronco game that Moreno was the difference. that we won because of Moreno and he was one of the best players on the field? It’s not very often is it. In fact, its almost never.
I was there!
Not every running play gains positive yardage. Sometiems the play just doesn’t work out or the line doesn’t block well. He runs hard and continues to get better in my opinion. Our team has sucked…sucked, over the past 3 years. How can you look back and say anybody was the difference? Its hard for him to look like he has made a difference, one because of injuries, and two because we just haven’t run a whole lot the past couple years. I think everybody just wants to blame our lack of efficency in the running game, and success in general, on a running back who was drafted in the first round by the evil villan in Josh McDaniels. Blame injuries on him if you want or bad luck. Truth is he averages 4 yards per carry over his career, has great hands out of the backfield, has battle injuries, and is only in his 3rd year. I think the instant satisfaction bull shit that goes on in the NFL has got to slow down a little bit. John Elway wouldn’t have stood a chance in today’s league because he would have been benched and forgotten about already. Same goes for Darren McFadden, Roddy White, and many others.
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 2, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Your off on some strange tangent here.
3 years is not instant gratification. That is 3 freaking seasons.
You can bag on me for saying I’m getting worried about Frankin and Moore because it’s just been 7 games… but Moreno has been a Bronco long enough to make definitive judgments.
He is really underwhelming to me. He hasn’t been a full time starter in 2011. McGahee looks much better out there and Moreno continues to provide game breaking plays that are the difference between Ws and Ls.
It’s been three years… I don’t think it ever happens for him in Denver. or anywhere else for that matter.
I was there!
New coaches bring in their guys—guys that will fit what they want to do. McGahee fits what Fox wants to do more so than Moreno.
It is not even clear that Moreno would have flourished in McD’s scheme. But that is the scheme he was drafted to be in (single back, 3 WR formations, not an I formation tailback).
His only chance here is a 3rd down back. I’d like to see him as PR/KR. I don’t think he has the speed but he should be used like Bush or Sproles and I’d like to see what he can do there.
That would require Fox and McCoy to tailor plays to certain players strengths. Not going to happen.
I was there!
by McGeorge on Nov 2, 2011 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he could average 5 yards every time he touches the ball
Knowshon could easily be my favorite Bronco, of course, he underwhelms me so often, get better Moreno
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Moreno looked like heck...
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
BLEH TO ALL THE CONTINUED TEBOW TALK
Our team has sucked, Tebow has sucked. If you can admit this than you can be objective, but no worries, things can change. Who knows if this will stay the norm throughout the season? I hope it gets better against the Raiders, but until then the Tebow obsession can take a back seat.
The guy is one part on this team. As a fan, I’m getting tired of hearing about it all the time will he do this, will he improve, why is he so bad, on and on. And Tim doesn’t deserve it either. I’m with Bena—-it was a mistake to pick him because we weren’t a team set up to bring him along the right way.
You either hate him or love him and there’s no middle ground, that is absolutely ridiculous—-the tunnel vision is just amazing. My gut feeling is that if something drastically positive doesn’t improve in his play, Tim will be gone next year.
Honestly maybe that’s best for everyone involved, the fans can get their team back, the team can focus without the constant circus, Tim can go elsewhere to a better situation more conducive to his maturation as a QB etc.
Tim is a Bronco, I will always support the players on this team…but that is the operative word TEAM. No one should be bigger than the team—-EVER
The Broncos have been an vastly overly analysed over exposed terrible team since McJedi traded Cutler.
I hate it. I just hate it. I would love to be able to rebuild our team in obscurity like most crappy teams. Far less MSM coverage and attention. Far less drama.
I want nothing more than Tebow to thrive, but if that doesn’t happen in 2011, I want him and Orton gone before next season.
I want us to draft a Matt Barkely or Landry Jones with our 2012 1st round pick (no trade up) and I want some peace and MF quiet while we go 6-10 in 2012 seeing mild improvement all season.
Then we can get all secretly get excited for 2013 while no MSM people are talking about our team.
This current roller-coaster is off its rails and the ride sucks!
I was there!
by McGeorge on Nov 2, 2011 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll finally get a good look at Matt Barkley this Friday when CU plays USC...
I suppose this is a good benefit for Colorado to go to Pac-12… Get to see future Bronco QB possibilities.
I saw Luck treat CU like a Pop Warner team, let’s see if Barkley can do the same
MOZGOD Member #35
I think Barkley may be our QB of the future
we would be naive to trade up and mortgage our future for Luck. I don’t know why but I can just see that name on the back of a jersey. I do think we’ll take a QB with our first round pick of 2012 unless Tebow shows a massive amount of improvement, which I don’t think will happen, as much as I want it to
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
Never count Tebow out...he has been here before.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
oh I agree
and while I want him to do it and succeed, I just don’t think he will. Not having OTA’s and TC really hurt him bad. He’s regressed. So did Orton. Unfortunately, I believe the writing is on the board. Tebow is a project – In an age of instant gratification, I just don’t believe the FO will give him the time he needs to be successful.
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
I want off the ride too
I’m a fat kid who’s bar is too tight though, so I guess I don’t qualify as your normal Bronco fan
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
As a rule of thumb most roller coaster suck
especially during power outages when you’re at the top
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
lol.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Amen...
I really want the kid to succeed, if for no other reason then I don’t want to use another draft to get a QB.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm sick of this:
“You either hate him or love him and there’s no middle ground, "
I’m really tired of people telling me everyone is either anti or pro this kid. I wasn’t convinced it was a good idea to draft him, especially giving up 3 picks, but whatever. Hopefully he was good. Now, he looks like crap. Like real crap. I don’t hate him. I want him to do well, but I don’t love him to the point that I insist he plays if he IS crap, nor will I spend 10K on a billboard demanding he either play or sit.
I’m someone that would evaluate the player. So please don’t tell me I love him or hate him. I feel neither.
Thanks.
The truth is both Orton and Tebow are valuable to a certain extent
Considering the amount of TDs he is able to manufacture in the red zone, you make a great point.
Even if he is not a long term franchise QB, the ability to make TDs in the red zone will have value to a lot of NFL teams. If Tebow were to be released by the Broncos, I would imagine 10+ teams would make him contract offers the next morning.
I think Orton will get the same amount of attention on the open market as the top backup QB available. He’ll have his pick of the litter if he is willing to take a backup role.
It’s a shame Denver wasn’t able to get anything for him because he’ll have suitors as an UFA.
I was there!
It won't be 25th overall pick offers though.
How many teams are going to carry a QB just so he can run a few plays from the 15 yard line?
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions
No, Tebow has no trade value at this point
Under ordinary circumstances, I would say that perhaps Denver could get a fifth/sixth round pick for Tebow. However no team wants to deal with the legion of zealots (the football kind – I’m making no religious comment here) who would come with him.
Bronco Mike
I could not have stated this better myself, excellent analysis
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
For the first week in a long time
I haven’t visited any football news sites. No NFL, no ESPN, no CBSSports, no FoxSports. The only site I have come back to is MHR, and even then, only to do a quick perusal.
I have to say it has been one of the best, most optimistic weeks of my fanhood.
Correlation?
We are a crappy team, with some crappy players at every position.
I ahve stayed away too man...been here last 2 days as I have been sick...not even listening to Sirius radio any more!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
When the MSM
thinks it’s right, my brethren wax stronger in their own strength, meaning they are irrefutably the smartest people in football, the likes of Sean Payton and Peyton Manning, be danged
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Never thought I wish we were Carolina....but that is exactly how we should have been building....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
don't worry
as soon as we fire fox in a couple of years we’ll be in the same position as they are currently in
Haha...cant wait....NOT!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Our "depth at quarterback".
Lol, I believed it too.
..We're 2-14 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Depth at QB is for Fantasy Football
My 2 QB’s: Tom Brady and Drew Brees
That’s depth!
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
lets put it this way
If Green Bay kept Brett Farve another year before trading him to the Jets, Rodgers would not be a Packer. Rodgers was in his signing year, thus had to start to stay a Packer, or he would have been a free agent.
Not everyone can have 2 stellar QB’s. It just doesn’t work that way. At this point, we don’t even have mediocre QB, let alone a stellar one.
While we do have depth, it sucks. Our depth consists of roster spots, warm bodies if you will.
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
is dearth a better word?
Kyle Orton is the Tin Man....No heart, can't move and the oil can is too far away!
by mdierk on Nov 2, 2011 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good call. +uno
..We're 2-14 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
While it’s nice to have some number from Klis, simply showing how the shotgun rate for Tebow is up over Orton only tells a partial story, and not a very useful one at that. If the coaching staff really thinks running shotgun a lot is “tailoring an offense to Tebow” then we are in trouble.
The offense is predictable and not at all dynamic. It seems like they gameplan as if the game will take place in a vacuum and then stubbornly wait until the game situation—not what the other team is doing—forces them into changing it when they are down in the fourth quarter. What little I saw of the Detroit game (I was late and then turned it off after the long Johnson TD) was six defenders pass rushing Tebow while maintaining their gap integrity. They do this to put pressure on him as a passer and contain him if he starts to scramble. It also works well against runs inside the tackles too.
How do you fight this? The biggest weapon would have to be the screen and draw game. Let all those defenders do exactly what the want to do…get to the QB, but dump the ball off on a screen right before they get there. Remember some of the big plays in SD and Miami games? Screen to Moreno, misdirection screen to Fells. Tebow can run screen passes—better than Orton IMO.
Another effective tool might be an option play wherein you start shotgun/pro set and on snapping the ball flow to the right (or left). The running back (Moreno) is behind and to the flowing side. Tebow reads the DE/LB on that side and either pitches to Moreno, keeps it, or if the line and backers have all crashed down, tosses a little shovel pass to the other back (ideally McGahee I think, but J Thomas could work) who has stepped up in front of the line. It probably won’t work more than a few times against a pro defense, but at least it will help get them reacting to you.
Quick passes of any sort to the outside help to exploit the fact that all the defenders are stacked up inside and there are limited numbers to stop them outside. Bootlegs and other such pocket moving/misdirection throws also help to slow down that ridiculous pass rush and IMO have the added bonus of getting Tim’s feet moving and having him think less and just throw the ball.
Running the RBs from shotgun was wildly effective vs. the Lions and they should have done it way more. Running from under center was way too predictable and save one play rather ineffective. If the staff wants to tailor the game to Tebow, they have a long way to go. They not only need to work better with his strengths, they also have to work with what the defense is doing and stop trying to do exactly what they are trying to take away.
Given what they did with Tebow when they supposedly first installed a package for him (qb keeper/draw up the middle every time) and what I’ve seen from McCoy (hint—I think I’ve seen enough) I’m a little pessimistic about them being able to do this. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
The thing about Mike McCoy that I hope gets him fired this off-season is that McCoy hasn’t overseen a good offense in three years here.
We have had a low scoring offense in all three of his year’s in Denver. Different QBs, WRs, RBs, O-linemen and HCs. McCoy has been the constant and so has our low point totals. That means something to me anyway. Seems like nothing this guy throws against the wall seems to stick.
Throwing McCoy out with the rest of the 2011 QBs is not the baby with the bath water. McCoy is just more dirty bathwater.
I was there!
by McGeorge on Nov 2, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I generally agree but I doubt it happens. McCoy is one of Fox’s guys. Fox will figure that we don’t have the QB (or RBs) to run their offense and that McCoy should stay.
Tebow's footwork under center is so bad...
If the coaching staff really thinks running shotgun a lot is "tailoring an offense to Tebow" then we are in trouble.
Starting from the gun takes that element away and he can’t hit the quick pass to the outside.
Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis
by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
It's getting harder to defend Royal
even though he’s my boy, please, Eddie, give me a reason to believe in you, you have a history of tearing it up in the Black Hole, do it again!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 2, 2011 11:36 AM MDT reply actions
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