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Tim Tebow: A Glimpse into the Future?

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No, this won't be about the idea that the Denver Broncos Tim Tebow is starting a revolutionary trend amongst NFL offenses, despite Brian Urlacher's view on the Chicago Bears under Caleb Hanie. There probably won't be many NFL offenses switching to the spread, run option or any of those types of formations that you haven't seen since you played High School Football. 

The view around the NFL is that the offense the Broncos have put into play simply won't work long term, if you asks the front office in Denver it may appear that some in that office (specifically John Elway) feel the same. Those that would like to feed into this theory need only look to where Elway and general manager Brian Xanders spent this Saturday.

Elway and Xanders were in Waco, TX watching one (probably two) projected first round quarterbacks battle it out in Baylor's Robert Griffin III and Oklahoma's Landry Jones. If Denver continues to win, both of those quarterbacks will likely be gone by the time the Broncos have a pick in the first round of the 2012 draft anyway... So what gives?

For that let's look at what happened today.

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Much has been said about Elway's comments during The John Elway Show on Denver's KXDP-FM this morning when Gary Miller asked if Elway was anymore convinced than he was a few weeks ago that Denver had the quarterback of the future on the team Elway did not simply stated, "No."

Elway went on to say that, "[Tebow] is making progress week in and week out, but when you look at our third down numbers those have to improve. I mean when you look at our third down numbers those have to improve, we can't go three for 19 [on third downs] and win world championships."

"Tim Tebow did exactly what we thought he could do Thursday night," Elway continued, though he didn't stop there, "Nine series were three and outs in the middle of the football game."

"We've got to get better in the passing game," though not damning, these quotes could certainly be viewed as less than an endorsement.

When pressed by Vic and Gary as to why John Fox had not turned Tebow loose earlier in the football game, Elway said, "I'm not going to question that, I just know that they turned him loose at the right time and we won the football game. Any time you have nine series and eight of them are three and outs you're not executing on the offensive side."

Elway book ended that by stating, "We'll continue to work on balancing that offense and getting a little pressure off that run game."

Elway went on to credit both the defense and Tebow as having turned around the Broncos, he shortly sent another backhand towards the second year quarterback again referring to him as a, "Great football player."

Vic Lombardi brought up something that former Pittsburgh Steelers' head coach Bill Cowher suggested Sunday morning on CBS' The NFL Today, that being inserting a, 'Orton Package' into the Broncos offense Elway confirmed that he too heard the suggestion and stated that the team wanted to listen to everything and wanted to consider anything that would help Denver get better on third downs.

"I'm sure that will be something that is thought about in the game planning that goes on in the next two days, I was with you (Lombardi) in that it got me thinking that maybe it is a possibility," and with that Elway capped off his weekly show.

Now for all of that doom and gloom and before fans begin a giant debate as to whether or not Tebow is better than Elway is allowing himself to say, I have to bring up another article that was published on Friday by ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor.

As Elway all but sprinted through the winning locker room, his chest bursting through his suit jacket, he said, "Just give him a chance to win the game." Asked what it was like to watch Tebow perform an endgame act he himself had mastered, Elway said, "It was great. Awesome."

Sounds like a pretty bold proclamation to me, "Just give [Tebow] a chance to win the game." There is a game of chess being played here and it is hard to tell whether Tebow is an insider or an outsider. My belief is this, that as much as Elway would like the NFL to believe that he believes that Tebow is not the answer, he just might think that Tebow is in fact the answer. The proof is in the doing, not in the saying.

Just look at the ridiculous idea of having an. "Orton package," or a "Quinn package," Elway knows the name of the game and the only positive outcome of that game is winning. If a team spends even fifteen minutes preparing for either Kyle Orton or Brady Quinn that will be less time spent on figuring out how to stop Tebow from driving the ball ninety-five yards and knocking your team deeper into watching the playoffs from home.

And for the record during his show Elway stated that there are a total of 21 positions on the team in reference to why he and Xanders attended the Oklahoma vs. Baylor game and wondered allowed why everyone assumes that he's always looking at quarterbacks.

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Orton package?

Are these guys kidding or just delusional? Orton is terrible!

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by ElwayFanJ on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 AM MST reply actions  

True this right here

I thought that was kind of hilarious.

Believe

by BroncoPH on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Remember...the biggest comeback that Orton has led is 7 points. Tebow has led comebacks for 15 and 17....Elway and Fox know that!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

it's true

Orton is this generation’s answer to Steve DeBerg, of course as Broncos historians know, Elway pushed DeBerg out and Tebow has pushed Orton out as well.

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Orton can't hold Steve DeBerg's jock when it comes to passing. Maybe he looks great compared

to TT but DeBerg had a superior arm and threw a beautiful ball.

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by rubincarterrocks on Nov 22, 2011 11:27 AM MST up reply actions  

i always thought deberg was pretty dang good, really. he had a knack of being in the wrong place with the wrong up and comers though.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

well

that is true, DeBerg was a good Chief whenever I watched him on our local NBC affiliate (old-timers remember when NBC had the AFC contract), his deep ball to J.J. Birden was pretty epic

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL Elway wasnt the only one to push Steve Deburg

to the back up roll. Here is a short list of QB’s who “stole” Steve’s job.

Joe Montana
Steve Young

Talk about not being able to catch a break LMAO!

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by Disturbed70 on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I should have mentioned that

because I knew he was in both Tampa Bay and San Francisco! DeBerg, the greatest #17 I’ve ever seen, sorry Jake Delhomme and Darius Watts…

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

And Phyliss...

"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
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by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, I can't forget Felipe...

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

hey boydy, if elway gave you free meals at his restaurant i can meet you there this weekend. i’ll do some skiing and then catch you over there for steaks and martinis. good? good.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 10:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Book it Ox. I already have a table reserved!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

lol. too bad you can’t frame a tweet and hang it on your wall, right? that was pretty cool.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha...thanks man...proves Elway is a salesman and business man....sees me as a potential client! Good work by him!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions  

whoa, big things in your 'hood!

just heard cutler’s having his surgery in vail. don’t let him drink too much while he’s there—dude’s still got diabetes.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

I am going to pop in and see him. hes having dinner with US Ox!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

man, i’m in. that would would be some kind of night. you know that after a couple adult beverages one of us would blurt out to elway,“so what the hell’s going on?’ and the other would turn to cutler,”what the hell happened? seriously." we’ll get to the bottom of everything once and for all.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

We could solve the Denver Broncos problems man!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton/Quinn package

I mean, I wouldn’t mind it. Guy comes out and completes a pass, defenses should have to prepare for that haha.

"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone

"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.

by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

sounds good. assuming Guy completes the pass.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

LMAO

Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.

by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Well, its a comeback package for the other team...ZING!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton couldn't convert third downs when he was the starter

What makes anyone think he can come in cold and have success? The third down conversion problem seems to be a team issue more than anything. At least with Tebow back there, we can convert running it.

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by CH74 on Nov 22, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Except, that overall he really isn't terrible

he was really bad this year (and thus deservedly benched), but for his career he is solidly average.

by cjfarls on Nov 22, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Don’t think that we will be seeing an Orton/Quinn package any time soon, but I don’t think that will stop Elway from making other teams think it is possible.

"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone

"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.

by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 1:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah but everybody has sand in their vag and when something isn’t said right towards Tim Tebow everybody freaks out. Making all these bold claims off of one radio interview comments by John Elway is ludacris. Anybody personally talked to John Elway lately? Asked him about what he thinks? I just think everybody around here needs to toughen up when it comes to Tim Tebow and what people say or what people are perceived to say about Tim Tebow and the future and blah blah blah.

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 10:27 AM MST reply actions   3 recs

Tebow's the new toy

I think it’s only natural that people defend him for awhile. Although, I agree with you, it is not as if the guy doesn’t put his money where his mouth is at the end of the day.

"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone

"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.

by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

and John Elway wants his own shiny new toy.

Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.

by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

This is not against you personally

but I miss Mile High Report…there use to be content on here about the Broncos. We might as well call it the Tim Tebow Report IMO. We use to talk about Receivers, and guys on practice squad, and why Rahim Moore has fallen out of favor, and the play of guys like Chris Harris, or progress reports on guys like Orlando Franklin, or how Zane Beadles and JD Walton are making strides (even though earlier this year we deemed them dead), or whats the future like for Julius Thomas and Virgil Green. Instead…its just Tim Tebow this and Tim Tebow that. Its boring IMO

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Water, you are a good writer...throw something up...would love an article on Von! Love that kid!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

It's boring because you were in the "Tebow can't play" club waterboy.

Granted that proportionally there are more Tebow articles than any others but there are still plenty of other articles on the defense as well as other key players. So either ignore the Tebow posts or follow Boydy’s sage advice and contribute by writing your own.

" I'm blessed to be part of a team with very unselfish players who don't care about statistics, they just care about winning" - Tebow owning Michael Irvin when Irvin asked him "what do you say to your receivers after you throw a ball in the dirt and miss them".

by asinsoin on Nov 22, 2011 1:10 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I never said Tebow can't play

I just never hopped on the Tim Tebow is the answer bandwagon…

A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves

by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Elway created this craze

John Elway is a smart guy. He’s a professional football player who has lived in the public eye for years. He’s also a businessman. He’s a frickin car salesman. The guy knows how to spin a question, tell a story in vague terms, and get a point across without creating mass hysteria. Do any of you doubt he has this ability?

I was surprised then, when asked by Gary Miller if the organization was any closer to finding their quarterback of the future after the past 5 games Elway chose to provide a simple answer to a loaded question. I don’t know much about PR practice but I do know this… loaded questions need empty answers. John Elway responded with the most loaded answer of all.

A simple… “No.” Enter crazed fans across the globe, queue Skip Bayless, and update the conspiracy theories because John Elway doesn’t want to name Tebow the future starter of his football team. We all sit back and watch the internet blow up. It was a stupid answer on Elway’s part if his goal was to be honest. It was a brilliant answer on Elway’s part if his goal was to create controversy. It could have been a simple mistake (much like John Fox’s “screwed” comments).

I love honesty in most formats. But there is a difference between being smart honest, and being stupid honest. What does being honest benefit this football team right now? We are on a 3 game win streak. We just beat a team we had no chance against. Our defense is playing football on a level we haven’t seen in years. What benefit does an “honest” answer provide? I would argue little to none. When you are on a winning streak, when your team is surprisingly one game out of first and in sole possession of 2nd place, you let the play do the talking.

I was shocked Elway didn’t say what he always says… and what is such a great, honest line that both says everything and nothing, “Tim is a great football player, we are working on making him a great quarterback.” That easy.

John Elway’s simple “No” answer did nothing for the level-headed Bronco fans across the country because this is so obvious. Of course they haven’t made a decision. Why would they? What it did instead was light a can of gasoline under the rabid fans and haters looking for something to fight about while ESPN, Vic and Gary, and the rest of the nation smile and watch the clicks and ratings roll in.

Elway created this craze. It wasn’t necessary, but it is what it is. If you aren’t reveling in this situation, don’t relieve Elway of the blame.

Believe

by BroncoPH on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM MST reply actions   4 recs

exactly

Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.

by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely agreed. Whether the reaction was over the top or not, Elway should know better.

How many times must we go through this before he learns? Yeesh.

Like, he’s a superhero and all, but he really needs those PR classes….

Just because I speak with authority doesn't mean I actually know what I'm talking about.

by tonks on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Eloquent

And existentialist?

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"He will always be a slave who does not know how to live upon a little" Horace

by PositivIntegral on Nov 22, 2011 10:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

i’m not getting that at all. i’d like to see tebow get a chance at some long term grooming but i don’t see it happening.

btw… orton for a third down package? because?… i mean, dude’s not exactly the a conversion machine himself.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 10:28 AM MST reply actions  

but neither is 3/14

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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 11:48 AM MST up reply actions  

pick your poison. i’d rather see if tebow can learn and improve.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

pshhh. details.

"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox

by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Elway wants the Broncos to succeed...

But he wants the success to be his doing – designed my him – controlled by him and a quarterback that would do things the way he would do them. If he keeps Tebow, his popularity and his legacy will be trucked the way Revis was trucked at the end of the last game.

I am so sick of the four letter network saying that to win the the NFL you need to run the ball, stop the run and not turn the ball over – then saying the broncos can not sustain this success. Tebow does two of those three things, and he’d do the third if they’d put him in on defense.

LET THIS KID DO HIS THING. He will get better.

by gator'n'mempho on Nov 22, 2011 10:30 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

I don't believe Elway is that selfish

I believe he said Tebow needs to improve on 3rd down, I agree. Sustained success is most assuredly achieved by doing well on 3rd down, in Canada, of course, you have to do well on 2nd down, it’s all relative

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't think Elway is selfish

but it’s pretty obvious that he still wants to be the face of the franchise. Just sayin’..

Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.

by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 12:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Mr. Bowlen is the face of the franchise

EVERYTHING good we have ever experienced, other than Floyd Little and the first Super Bowl team has happened under his watch. I raise a glass of Orange Crush to him!

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Correction: he said the TEAM needs to improve 3rd down conversion....thats on coaches, QB , WR, O line and RB

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

it's especially on McCoy

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep...credit him for run game...also credit him for ineffectual pass game too!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe John Elway is using this as a motivational tool

I believe I’ve read where Tim Tebow has actually thanked the people who have doubted his abilities over the years and said that they have driven him to be better. Obviously Elway and Xanders know him better than the rest of us but if they can do some window shopping as a back-up plan while allowing Tebow to improve (or not improve), they will be better prepared in the spring. Not to mention they will have way less backtracking to do if it doesn’t work out with Tim.

by sc31089 on Nov 22, 2011 10:31 AM MST reply actions  

THIS

precisely what I think, motivation is a marvelous tool, if not manipulated by douches, Elway’s no delta bravo my friend!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 11:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I see this a little bit too

Elway has been a QB with little support around him before.

"A man without enemies is a man without qualities." Al Capone

"Literature is an occupation in which you have to keep proving your talent to people who have none." - Jules Renard.

by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

I think the smart thing for everyone’s sanity would be to just try and win the last six games then deal with it after that. It’s not like Elway can acquire Matt Barkley in some mysterious secondary draft on December 5th.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Nov 22, 2011 10:40 AM MST reply actions  

Exactly

Right now we would have the 18th pick in the first round.

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by ElwayFanJ on Nov 22, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Its not Elway’s job to win games. That is Fox and the coaching staff. It is on Xanders and Elway to acquire the best players they can in the off season. I am glad they are doing their homework. Its their job.

I did a huge post about how Tebow is improving. But I also think that people freaking out about the fact that he might not be the answer is crazy. Tebow has to prove that he has the ability to stand in the pocket and consistently throw darts. That is the primary job requirement of an NFL QB. Until he shows that ability consistently his job will be in jeopardy, wins or not.

by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't really care what Elway does

but I do think the proportion of posts around here devoted to reading front-office tea leaves is ridiculous. The season is 17 weeks long, and that’s supposed to be the fun part of football! Tea leaves are for the other 35 weeks.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

We use those tea leaves

to brew our special Kool Aid

by sc31089 on Nov 22, 2011 11:09 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Thats my problem....I drink coffee!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

hmmm

coffee grounds also have certain fortune-telling tendencies, but smell better than tea leaves.

i keep dancing on my own.

by atomiccafe on Nov 22, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha...they do.

Give in to the power of the tea!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Good article, but

I stol have my doubts. I did just think of this angle though that puts it all together. Maybe elway isn’t on board with fox hand cuffing tebow all gamer until the end. It almost sounds like elway wants to chant “let him play, let him play…” Maybe his dating he is no closer to knowing if he had aqb is because he feels he hasn’t seen tebow unleashed.

Maybe.

by TheMascotArmy on Nov 22, 2011 10:46 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

Interesting take

The Orton/Quinn package would be a joke, but if it’s used once and it’s something else for the D to think about then why not fan the fire?

We all knew that the only way Timmy was the starter next year is if he won enough games to give us a low enough draft pick to pick one of the top 4 qbs, which he’s pretty much managed already (albeit with the help of our wayy improved D) to do that. Elway seems to be giving him the chance to save his own ass, which kudos to Tebow he’s doing.

by Dan Hart on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

It could be

That Elway’s reaction in the locker room could be his heart speaking, and the interview reactions could be his mind speaking.

Something that Ian brought up though—-the Orton package where an opposing team has to allot extra time in preparing for it. In post game-interviews, Tebow when asked about the zone read or the option has said repeatedly, “its another thing the defense has to prepare for”….we all know how honest Timmy is, it could be part of the ‘company line’.

My head is telling me Elway wants his guy at QB, my heart agrees with Ian that there is a chess match going on. We won’t really know either way until the season is over. Until then, I’m going to try and avoid any speculation either way in regards to John Elway, Tim Tebow and the future. I’ve already said my piece and it could very well be wrong. But I do know that we are in the middle of a playoff and division race, and that’s is where I want to expend my energy as a fan until the end of the year. I for one am completely exhausted with the amount of drama surrounding our team for the past several years and don’t want to add any more to it.

Go Tim Tebow, Go Von Miller, Go John Fox, Go John Elway, Go Mike McCoy, Go Dennis Allen, GO BRONCOS!!!

by Bronco Mike on Nov 22, 2011 10:47 AM MST reply actions  

Great article Ian! Thanks!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

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by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 10:50 AM MST reply actions  

Thank you for reading Boydy

I did a little fist pump for you when Elway replied to you haha.

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by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 1:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Hahaha...thanks mate....ORTON JUST WAIVED!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice for Elway to react to you

guess I should raise a six-pack of Orange Crush to you!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Brad. happy Thanksgiving!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 5:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Tebow is a tough football player!

I say they play him until he gets hurt or he starts loosing consistently. I support this for a couple of reasons:
1. Tebow could last 5 years playing like this with only bumps and bruises. Over that time, he’ll become more and more acclimated to the NFL passing standards. He’ll be lethal in his prime.
2. I’ve heard it over and over, every defense hates preparing for our “unconventional” offense. They have to come up with a completely new defensive scheme and ask their players to do things they’re not in the habit of doing. It’s the only game of the year they’ll have to practice this way for and may blow it off as an outlier in a 16 game season.
3. We’re winning. Why go away from something that’s working? Keep doing it until Tebow starts to lose on a consistent basis or he gets hurt (a real possibility, but like I said, he’s one hellova tough football player and is not prone to injury like some other players are).
4. In the meantime, use draft picks and free agency to build the defense and other aspects of the offense. If it doesn’t work out and we have to go away from Tebow, then we’ll have a team and supporting cast to put around whatever next young future hall of famer QB we’ll pick up.
5. Lastly, do it because it pisses off the MSM. They hate what the Broncos are doing because it’s not what they’re used to. It just means more publicity for the Broncos, it will forever keep us in the underdog role (which I prefer), and it will constantly prove the naysayers wrong making them all look stupid which they are.

GO BRONCOS!!!

by go4broncos on Nov 22, 2011 11:04 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Because Elway wants his own guy to be passing from the pocket immediately. Period.

Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.

by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

in his prime he needs to throw

consistently, be a Peyton-Manning type presence if not that quality of talent, but then, who is? There’s only one Peyton

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Payton?

He’s over rated. Brady is better than Payton. I don’t know what this obsession is with having a pocket passer. Everybody says it’s the QB’s job is to throw the ball, but you know what, it doesn’t have to be that way. It’s all about winning. What if the NFL evolved in a way where QB’s ran first and threw 2nd? Then everyone would be saying that Brady or Payton would never make it in the NFL because they can’t run the ball. It would take someone thinking outside the norm to say, hey, we if we can protect this guy, he can throw the ball and then everyone would be calling whoever’s coming up with that gameplan crazy.

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Keep winning until we ain’t!

by go4broncos on Nov 22, 2011 7:08 PM MST up reply actions  

You're high

Manningless Colts, 0-10 right now giving the 08 Lions a run for their money

Bradyless Pats, 11-5 back in 08.

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by Calikula on Nov 23, 2011 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

What???

All this time I thought Tebow was an exercise routine!

What a drag it is getting old. - Mick

by orangeblood on Nov 22, 2011 11:20 AM MST reply actions  

Yep....with karate kicks, genuflects and shit....I have seen that!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Once again...

It seems obvious to me that the Broncos are giving Tebow some NFL experience (even though it looks a bit college like) while coaching him to become a better NFL passer.

IMO, if Tebow became a mediocre passer (not Rodgers, P.Manning or Brady, but more of a second tier passer, similar passing ability to Orton for lack of a better comparison) AND had the option in his playbook, the Broncos would not only be very formidable and extremely difficult to coach against, but a serious championship threat. This is all predicated on also having a great defense, but it seems like the defense is well on it’s way to being one of the better defenses in the NFL.

For the record, I’ve never seen a Broncos pass rush like this… very impressive! Today my Tebow glass is half full (and maybe spike with a lil vodka), because I think he can become a competent NFL passer.

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by tjpmontana on Nov 22, 2011 11:31 AM MST reply actions  

the defense is solid for years!

of this, I have no doubt :)

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:02 PM MST up reply actions  

wouldn't mind an orton package

But only if it is a hand off.

Think about it, you throw Orton in there and the defense is immediately going to think pass. Orton snaps and hands the ball off.

I don’t trust Orton enough to do anything else and I really don’t want him getting on the field making a pass or two and possibly causing needless QB controversies. Tim is our QB and should remain as such until he can no longer function as QB or we draft a better QB. (even then i’m not sure i’d want to bench him)

by trumanj on Nov 22, 2011 11:32 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Building a team

Elway is building this team, and he said the Quarterback is the number one piece. I think it’s a competition, and Tim better start completing more passes especially on third down

by Baghdad on Nov 22, 2011 11:57 AM MST reply actions  

OK and WR's better start catching as well....its a OFFENSIVE PROBLEM...not just a Tebow problem.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Why is any of this so controversial?

TT hasn’t done enough to definitively answer anything. He has 6 more games to continue to improve and make the positive case he has so far, or 6 more games for his poor passing-to-date to bite him in the butt, lead to losses, and potential replacement. As I posted yesterday, TT currently reminds be a lot of another young QB from a few years ago… link here

That shows just how murky this whole situation is…. lets not fool ourselves into thinking we know anything yet.

Far too soon to draw conclusions on anything. TT’s played great in bursts which shows his potential, but for all his wins, his offense has scored less than 20 points in a vast majority of those wins, and only 10 in the most recent (even though he had great field position all game). That is not good enough for us to win consistently going forward, so if thats the best he can do (not saying this is the case at all, but this is what we still have to find out), then why wouldn’t we all be potentially in the market for a new QB if a good prospect were available?

Just as we needed to have patience after the Detroit game as it was too soon to draw conclusions, we still need to have patience now. As someone above stated… the draft isn’t for months yet… we have a lot more evaluation to do before any decisions are made.

by cjfarls on Nov 22, 2011 12:02 PM MST reply actions  

I get what your'e saying

Tebow needs to improve, who knows this more than him? The TEAM did have 17 points though, and that’s why we beat the Jets! Team effort my friend!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Steve Young

Some people have compared Tebow to Steve Young

by Baghdad on Nov 22, 2011 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

Except I think Tebow has more than Young at this respective point of their careers

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by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Good take on it. I hope you and Boydy are right on this one

Rec’d

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by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:16 PM MST reply actions  

Feeling good about it Cal.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 12:22 PM MST up reply actions  

Ugh, I wont feel right about it til after the draft

I hope my Tebow jersey isnt in danger of getting outdated

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-Seanbaby

by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

WE JUST RELEASED ORTON!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions  

lol I texted that exact phrase to my buddies, and they were all “we know, you didnt get the memo?” Out of the loop at work haha

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by Calikula on Nov 23, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Thank you Calikula!

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by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Elway – go check out the next Alabama vs LSU game if you want to see 21 other position players that have a legit shot at the NFL.

Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?

by McGeorge on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM MST reply actions  

Arkansas has some talent, no?

what about your beloved Miami (Fla.) Hurricanes?

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Its gonna be LSU vs ARK next friday no?

Go Hogs!!!

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by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I just hope the Raiders

don’t get anymore of their good players like Darren McFadden

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

They need to come here!!

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by Calikula on Nov 22, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

for sure

if they’re good enough to be #3 in the country!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions  

We had Hillis for a little while.

Atwater was a Razonback.

Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?

by McGeorge on Nov 22, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, Atwater was a Hog!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Meh on Hillis

He showed his true colors this year. Lost a lot of respect for that guy

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by Calikula on Nov 23, 2011 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Not really Vernon is a future NFL stud at DE, but Fortson is not and Ray Ray is not a smart player or person.

Lamar Miller, our RB, is super fast with good moves. He’d be a great 2nd round pick if available. Would replace that bust known as Moreno.

Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?

by McGeorge on Nov 22, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I did see Lamar Miller

in the Maryland game, he is a swift dude!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Multiple QBs? Wisenhunt did this a few years back,

During Leinart’s 2nd year, the Cardinals used Leinart run the “regular” offense. Then, in the “two minute,” no-huddle offense, Kurt Warner was brought off the bench. I believe at one point the Cards even used a third QB on the goal line. Cards wanted to take advantage of Warner’s experience while allowing Leinart to develop. Leinart has less responsibility, while the fragile veteran could be used wisely, but sparingly. Then Leinart broke his collarbone and Warner took over full time. Experiment over.
I really thought it was brilliant. With today’s offenses being so complex, and teams already using situational players at so many other positions (RBs, Pass Rushers, Nickels, Dimes, Multiple WRs, etc), using situational QBs makes some sense. It might be tough for the team to adjust to having more than one guy be the QB, but with the right guys, having really different strengths, I think this could work with QBs, too.

by Monte FootBall on Nov 22, 2011 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

This could be a conspiracy theory but…

It is not out of the realm of possibility that all this talk could be a little misdirection. Every team tries to gain some kind of competitive advantage. If the opposing teams are still going into games thinking that nobody in the organization backs the QB, or they are going to put in an "Orton Package" (LOL), this all benefits the Broncos. Who knows what is going on behind closed doors? What if Fox and Elway pulled Tebow aside and let them in on their evil plan.

by atrn271 on Nov 22, 2011 1:06 PM MST reply actions  

I forsee a situation like in 1992

When Reeves drafted Tommy Maddox, yet Elway still beat him out (Fired him up)…

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by CombatChuk on Nov 22, 2011 1:54 PM MST reply actions  

Tommy Maddox

the pre-Rapistberger Steelers signal-caller!

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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks Ian, good article

I like the balanced approach. Many of the same comments on here as have been posted several times already. One radio interview takes away from several articles and the TV interview he did before the game. Elway has said he likes Tebow and looks forward to working with him in the offseason and next year.

 We are not playing well in the passing game or making third down conversions. If everyone wants to take that as busting on Tebow, well I am not surprised.

Again, nice article and great balance.

Go Broncos!
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by Sean in Pa. on Nov 22, 2011 2:15 PM MST reply actions  

Tebow

I got a Tebow jersey in my closet, I don’t know why I don’t wear it. Most people here think Tebow is just a gimmick and will soon be out of the league. When he is completing 6o percent of his passes his jersey can come out of the closet

by Baghdad on Nov 23, 2011 9:13 AM MST reply actions  

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