Kyle Orton Waived by Broncos
by IanHenson on Nov 22, 2011 2:01 PM MST
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PrintSo much for the Denver Broncos heads not having faith in Tim Tebow.
“This was the right decision for our football team. We feel good about our quarterback group, and this gives Kyle [Orton] an opportunity to help another team and showcase his talents." Head Coach John Fox
The Broncos have waived quarterback Kyle Orton. Curious timing, but the Broncos could save the $2.5-million remaining on Orton contract if he is picked up off of waivers.
Even more curious is the fact that both the Chicago Bears (Orton's former team and an opponent that the Broncos will face in a few weeks) and Houston Texans (a potential playoff contender) are both desperate for a starting quarterback. If both teams put in claims for the Broncos former starter, the Texans would have waiver priority. The Kansas City Chiefs (another opponent on Denver's current schedule) may also be in play for Orton's services.
Now the most curious is why would Denver not hold onto Orton and take the compensatory pick that would have been awarded had he left via free agency, avoiding having to play against Orton for the reminder of the 2011 season.
Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that Orton and his agent David Dunn presented the idea of cutting Orton to Denver officials when it was learned that Jay Cutler broke his thumb on Sunday.
"I would like to thank Kyle for all his work with the Denver Broncos. In the three years that he’s been here, he’s been an absolute pro. We thought it was best for the Broncos at this time as well as for Kyle to catch on with a different team." Vice President of Football Operations John Elway.
Here is Orton's current contract information (courtesy of our KaptainKirk): Kyle Orton Quarterback 8/19/2010: Signed a two-year, $11.621 million contract. The deal contains $5.499 million guaranteed, including $2.879 million of his second-year base salary. 2011: $6.89 million (+ $1.5 million roster bonus), 2012: Free Agent.
Orton was drafted by Chicago in the fourth round of 2005 and was traded to Denver in 2009.
This move leaves Tebow, Brady Quinn and Adam Weber as the remaining quarterbacks on the Broncos roster, although for now Weber remains on the practice squad.
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I don't think this move helps or hurts Tebow at all...
Elway/Fox will do what they are going to do in the offseason and the draft regardless. To say this is solidifying Tebow’s role long term is very premature. I’m only assuming you are saying that, but Ian Henson sure did.
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Nov 22, 2011 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
I think you're right...... This has nothing to do with Tebow's stock,
But says quite a bit about EFX’s first trade move which went nowhere. (KO was not allowed to make that call.) The next was Gaffney.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Chicago with orton vs Tebow with Denver...here we go!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
We couldn’t get Tebow v Cutler…sooo what could be better?
JeffG thinks you're part of the worst fanbase in the NFL
The difference is I don't loathe Orton. I do loathe Cutler.
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by underdog on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 11 recs
So what better irony to have the QB that you were Traded for
Start on the team you play on?
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
At least there's that.
Hilariously good point. Cutler, remember the guy We traded to get you?
He’ll be your competition next year in camp too, by the way. LoL
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
This really is a funny scenario!
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions
Competition???
That is funny..
Hoping that Peppers does the belt dance over Rodgers crumpled on the turf
by tfrabotta on Nov 22, 2011 6:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be lying...
if I said I wouldn’t get any joy out of watching Von Doom eat him alive…. Be that in a Chiefs or Bears uni…
…but it’s not the same as watching them go after Cutler. For that we’ll just have to wait.
J
Im not sure about that...
Cutler was traded for first round draft picks more than he was Orton. Orton was the “toss in” that McDaniels was confident he could work with until he found his future starting QB. I don’t think there’s much animosity, and even the fanbase wouldn’t be chomping at the bit to see Orton get destroyed by our D. Nothing like Cutler anyways.
A friend and I bought tickets for the Chicago game JUST to see Cutler get eaten up by Von Miller. Now, our interest in the game has gone from an all out exciting show, to being more of a focus on Tebow and Dennis Allen. Had Culter been starting, I think the best part of the game wouldn’t have been Tebow or Dennis Allen’s D, but specifically Cutler getting killed by Dumervil and Miller. Oh well. I’m still excited, but I could have been WAY more excited. Lol.
NEXT MAN UP - NO QUESTION
by Alexander Wall on Nov 22, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
I enjoy seeing Von get after any QB, I wouldn't mind seeing him sack Tebow if it wasn't counter productive.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Nov 22, 2011 10:26 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha! The truth!
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 23, 2011 8:21 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
there are numerous teams
who have to reject Orton for him to fall to Chicago and Houston, Miami might get him as a backup
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Happy Thanksgiving Kyle.. please leave the Captain patch in your locker room.
Bet he ends up back at Chicago that is why the released him.. nothing else makes sense
" He conquers who endures."
Would have to pay two million to keep him, worth it if he’s on the bench the majority of the time?
JeffG thinks you're part of the worst fanbase in the NFL
A few contenders just lost their QBs. Houston, Chicago, KC
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
and if he is picked up and performs!
Compensatory pick!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Nov 22, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
I dont think we get a comp
If we waived him. If he left as a FA and signed somewhere else we would get it. I could be wrong and if I am someone please correct me.
by Elvisdoom4QBs on Nov 22, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
and even then
It’s only if we lose more vets to free agency than we sign, I believe. So that probably answers Ian’s question above.
I think you're right
sorry, I can be ill-informed at times!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Nov 22, 2011 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
NO COMP!!
"It's amazing the crowd Tim draws. It’s like he can’t do no wrong. But I’ll tell you what – if you don’t win in this league, it won’t last that long." Champ Bailey
"Week in and week out lost in Tebowmania, Von Miller comes to play the game of football, and to me, with consistency," said Deion Sanders, NFL Network analyst on NFL GameDay. "He’s the most impressive rookie."
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Money is not the issue - Its goodwill and reputation for being fair with players
We actually would be better off is we lost him in free agency and got a compensatory pick in the next draft
Just a business decision at this point I think. 2 choices: One, keep him till the
end of the year and hope to get a comp pick out of it, but you will have paid several million in salary over the last 2 mos…or Two, let him go now save the cash but not get the comp pick. This means to me that they do have more faith in TT than we perceive. BTW, this also is a smart move in terms of looking good to other free agents, we will be seen as player accommodating. It’s good to give Orton a chance to hook up with another team for the stretch run, I kinda hope it’s Houston.
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by rubincarterrocks on Nov 22, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
I would have paid and get the compensatory pick
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 1:54 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed
I thought the Chicago and KC games were in the bag, if Orton is playing for either of those teams they have a better shot now.
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Nov 22, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
Urlacher and Orton scheme to get him back to Chicago
Orton prob went into Elways office and Tebowed this morning to get waived, lol
by knoepke84 on Nov 22, 2011 2:05 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Maybe to pick up Sharper!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Hope someone picks him up quickly
Partly because I like the guy, partly because I need a new fantasy QB after losing Cutler and Schaub this week.
if Darren is healthy, do it!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:47 PM MST up reply actions
Seems like an honorable move....
The Weber era begins now!!!
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:06 PM MST reply actions
Boy I love this. Elway and Xanders show utmost class with this move.
Compsatory pick at end of year, may have been a 6th. $2.6m saving now more important.
This also gives John an seay way to start Brady, so as to evaluate for next year.
Plus Adam may get brought up. HUM (best qb in camp)
"It's amazing the crowd Tim draws. It’s like he can’t do no wrong. But I’ll tell you what – if you don’t win in this league, it won’t last that long." Champ Bailey
"Week in and week out lost in Tebowmania, Von Miller comes to play the game of football, and to me, with consistency," said Deion Sanders, NFL Network analyst on NFL GameDay. "He’s the most impressive rookie."
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by myerda00 on Nov 22, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Elway is smarter than he gets credit for, and he has an agenda as you mentioned
I think they will trade Tebow in the offseason, that’s why I can’t jump on the Tebow band wagon because I don’t think he will be here next year. But I love that Broncs are winning right now…
I can see Elway/Fox pulling for Tebow this year so that we get a higher draft pick for him when we trade him.
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Nov 22, 2011 4:56 PM MST up reply actions
what are you smoking?
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
by Boiler etc on Nov 22, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt....
The only Tebow train Elway is on is the one out of town I’m afraid.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
There is that chance, but
I feel Tebow will get one more year to compete with someone next year… UNless he totally turns it around this year…
What???? So he needs to be 5-0 and not 4-1...sorry, these are some insane, unfounded comments to be honest.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
didn't Elway have a 44% completion rate his first year?
"Self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and self-respect is the chief element in courage." ― Thucydides
The game has changed a lot now compared to then
Now it is a lot more passing friendly
by isiddiqi on Nov 22, 2011 10:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
so automatically because the game changed
QB’s were born different?
Sorry if I disagree
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by Jon Tollerud on Nov 22, 2011 10:19 PM MST up reply actions
What I meant is the stats then vs. now can be interpreted differently
Now the QBs are protected a lot more, the WRs have more leverage due to CB not able to harass them as they would back then… etc.
Again I am not an expert in this, but I think these are two completely different eras. I still think John misrepresents Tebow in the media, he should be behind him 100% in the media and not be so open about things like this in the public. What he does in the background is his business.
How can you not support your player in public that is willing to lay it all out for this franchise.
I'm with boydy on this.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 1:58 AM MST up reply actions
Why would back a guy?
He is 4-1 as a starter, the defense has played lights out, Tebow has played good and bad.
I understand the sentiment I really do, but John said we are evaluating Tebow basically.
You don’t give the keys to a ferrari to a 16 yr old boy without seeing how he drives.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Nov 23, 2011 2:56 AM MST up reply actions
See, thats the thing.....
JT, I love ya but your post is typical of what I se here. The DEFENSE has player lights out….you see ….the DEFENSE…as a whole……you are not saying VON has played lights out.
Yet, you say TEBOW has played good and bad. Are you sure its not the WHOLE offense that has played good and bad?
You have to look at it as a whole. To say its all Tebow is to excuse how bad our WR have been, and also how much better our O line has been.
I agree with what you are saying. D has been great, and Tebow needs to improve, but Tebow cant improve if his WR keep struggling this bad. 12 drops in 3 gams is REALLY bad yet no-one brings that up.
And by the way, Elway NEVER said TEBOW needs to get better on 3rd downs…he said WE need to get better at 3rd downs…we would include the whole team including coaches.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Nov 23, 2011 6:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just stirring the pot man
In all honesty, I love What Tebow brings and what teh TEAM brings FOR him. They could have played this way with Kyle but they didn’t. They know that their QB will NEVER give up hope, and will do everything to try and win.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Nov 23, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
I'd say it's more like the defense is 4-1 with Tebow as a starter and he hasn't given it back
They don’t beat the Jets without that pick-6 on Sanchez, just for starters.
I think we are in agreement then....
I am saying the same thing, but feel Elway should show some support to the QB that is willing to lay it all for this franchise, but I never said give him the keys to this Mustang, not Ferrari. It was a Ferrari when Shanny left, now its a Mustang…
I also think if Tebow shows consistent improvement, he will be given another year with full training camp to compete with another QB not on the current roster.
Lets see, its all speculation for now.
if it was a ferrari when shanny left
that car was missing brakes and a transmission!
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Nov 25, 2011 2:34 AM MST up reply actions
So what? who gives 2 shits if the game has changed? Is he winning or not? Thats always going to be the measure.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I respectfully disagree with you boydy
I am glad Tim published the article on MHR today. I am no expert, but that is what I think. I think Elways stance will change once Tebow shows some consistent progress in the passing game, but until then, I agree with Elway.
Boydy, in Elway's eyes that is not enough
He knows the frustration of getting to so many Superbowls and not winning until very late.
I agree with him in the sense that you need to be able to throw sometime with more accuracy but again it is not proven yet if what we are doing can’t be sustained.
we are doing can’t be sustained.
by isiddiqi on Nov 22, 2011 10:05 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Elway threw welll starting his 3rd FULL season.....and as I have said a 1000 times...this is NOT a Tebow only issue...its an offensive issue...from coaches, to QB, to O line and especially WR.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
by boydy2669 on Nov 23, 2011 6:34 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Thanks for clearing that up
I was kinda wondering exactly how John felt about young Tim. I am glad that we have a real insider that can clarify and expound on John’s most intimate details.
Guys, what do you expect Elway to say when he is asked that question?
I think once we make the playoffs, Elway will say hey lets see what Tebow can do with a full training cap behind him. I agree, the things he pointed out about Tebow have to improve going forward, and I feel they would.
How can they possibly make te playoffs?
Either kool aid or a dozen beers …..
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
I expect Oak to finish 8-8 and Denver to finish with same record
I expect Denver to beat SD this week. I am not sure how the tie breaker would work here as we have split the games, but if it works in our favor we can… Oakland does not have an attractive schedule… I think Oakland will lose to Cutler-less Bears team this week as well…
Do you even listen to yourself talk?
This gives John an easy way to start Brady Quinn? Seriously?
At some point, Myerda, you’re just grasping at straws.
5-3. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
by TheMorseFile on Nov 22, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
Why would they change anything if they are winning
Our team is in a do not touch state, you touch it and be responsible for the collapse
I see you're off your meds again.
" I'm blessed to be part of a team with very unselfish players who don't care about statistics, they just care about winning" - Tebow owning Michael Irvin when Irvin asked him "what do you say to your receivers after you throw a ball in the dirt and miss them".
Why would our Rookie VP do this...? anyone..? how do we benefit as a TEAM..?
" He conquers who endures."
by bloodwell on Nov 22, 2011 2:06 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
why?
Orton wasnt doing anything, Teams need QB’s. He probably asked out so he can latch on with the Bears. I’m sure Urlacher called kyle
by Scotty Payne on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
You are helping other team..
Strategic purposes..Now other team within the division could claim him..
by OrangeBroncos on Nov 22, 2011 2:09 PM MST up reply actions
doubt it.
Orton probably ends up with the Bears
by Scotty Payne on Nov 22, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
which makes the Bears game in 3 weeks that much tougher
I’d much rather be playing against Caleb…or that other guy
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Nov 22, 2011 4:57 PM MST up reply actions
No problem, might be lots of pick sixes for us
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 22, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Sounds like McCoy is making up plays weekly...
So I doubt Orton will be much help to any of the teams in our division. Besides we play SD on Sunday and KC in Week 17.
Classy...and pat on back for Tebow...makes sense...maybe bring in Sharper or a RB
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Maybe Orton's contract required him to leave town when his back-up had more Ws then him?
Relax, I’m kidding.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Nov 22, 2011 10:36 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha...the poison pill?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Good reasoning
I can’t see the purpose of this move too.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:00 AM MST up reply actions
Even if Tebow goes down, Orton is not getting another chance. Quinn would be up.
No trade possibilities.
And they probably wanted to free up the roster spot for to keep Jeremiah Johnson
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Still seems like a dick move though. Fare-well Orton. Good luck with the rest of your career.
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
No. Classy move. he will catch on with NY, WAS, CHI, KAN, HOU
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I took it back below!!!!
I TOOK IT BAAAAAACK lol
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Good point.
But who do you suppose they would fill this spot with?
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
no idea
I wish Eron Riley were still around. We (and Tebow) need help with wide receivers that will run energetic routes and also catch the ball.
I was thinking the same.
Britt Davis?
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Naaaa........we don't need any recievers right?
Geeeez..
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Eron Riley
Is active with the J-E-T-S
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:02 AM MST up reply actions
No need to free a roster spot.
At least not to keep JJ, since Moreno is on IR and so…
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:01 AM MST up reply actions
ugh. yet another obstacle for rotating kyle in on third down.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM MST reply actions 7 recs
yeah, so much for the Orton package...
by relocated bronco in NC on Nov 22, 2011 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
Orton package was over-used!
Tebow package is still very much, unused! haha – couldn’t help myself!
by El_Braino on Nov 22, 2011 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
O-o
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 22, 2011 3:14 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Aw man,
I was drink soda as i checked got on mhr and did a spit take on my monitor.
Good luck to kyle orton though.
I hope your monitor is okay...
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
It's fine, I wiped it off.
thanks for your concern
by moondoggie12 on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions
that better have been Orange Crush you were drinking!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
My guess is Orton may have asked to be waived because there are so many teams desperate for a QB
right now, and he’s just standing there doing nothing. And as noted above, Quinn is now basically #2 guy.
Heh. Redskins should pick Orton up so he can replace Grossman again. ;)
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This. I take back my dick-move comment. Kyle probably wanted this.
This move makes total sense in every way.
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Wouldn't it be funny
if Orton and Cutler compete in training camp next year and Orton wins!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Great minds man....
Didn’t read through before I commented above.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
You never know
After all ..he would give them the best chance to win now.
by Elvisdoom4QBs on Nov 22, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
I see what you did here LOL
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:04 AM MST up reply actions
Funny. Utterly unrealistic in any possible universe, but funny in theory.
The receivers would catch a couple of balls each, and start asking “really, you expect us to endorse Orton again?”
How do you spell television ratings? T-E-B-O-W. At least more Bronco games will likely be on national broadcast.
More evidence that Mr. Bowlen is the best!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
or we could have been smarter and traded KO in the beginning. THAT would have been classier.
Not to mention a better record.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
They tried to do it, Boiler
We can’t blame the FO for that.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:05 AM MST up reply actions
So I'm not classy
Because I woul have kept him and get a compensatory pick in the end of the season
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:04 AM MST up reply actions
I do wish we could've gotten something in trade value for him awhile back
but that deadline long since passed.
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Or the compensatory pick at the end of this year
… But it could be worse. Glad he’ll get a chance to start elsewhere, he does deserve another chance. Granted, I would have loved to have seen more effort from him at certain junctures, but those that act as though he put in absolutely no effort, or that the effort he did put in was worthless, are just closed minded.
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:09 PM MST up reply actions
there is the crux
what is worth more? 2.5 mil or a 6th -7th round draft pick 1.5 years from now? that draft pick would probably be TC fodder or practice squad material….
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
by Disturbed70 on Nov 22, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Probably
…. But I always remember guys like TD… Look at Chris Harris, undrafted. Never do know, but you’re probably correct.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
Just saying
guys that every team overlooks as far as their ceiling.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 23, 2011 9:06 AM MST up reply actions
they gave away our best receiver for a 6th or 5th.
And he had far more value --considering our current record—— than 2.5 mill.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Why now?
What changed that NOW we need to free up space?
What changed that NOW we need an extra roster spot?
I’m really curious to see the moves we make either later today or tomorrow, because this should have been done in the offseason, not NOW. Something changed that we don’t know about inside the walls of Dove Valley.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
Yea. Week 1 we didnt know that Tebow would be starting for us, be 4-1, and have us in the playoff hunt in relief of a totally ineffective Orton.
THATS what changed.
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
its all about the Benjamin's
2.5 million to be exact, they are hoping there are enough desperate teams willing to take on his remaining salary
by mt_griz99 on Nov 22, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
That, and the fact that Our organization has always been considerate to players.
Trading Cutler to his favorite team.
Trading Scheffler to his favorite team.
Trading B Marsh to a team in his home/favorite state.
And every other player that We let go in TC or in the off-season before We had to, to give them more time and opportunity to catch on somewhere else.
This is not “out of character” for Our organization at all.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
Would you "buy" a 6th round pick (likely) for $2.5Mil? I would...
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:07 AM MST up reply actions
I don't care about Mr. Bowlen money
He is billionaire.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:07 AM MST up reply actions
Because it gives him a chance to latch on somewhere else, because they save a lot of money if he's picked up,
and because Quinn had been designated the No. 2 QB now. This move makes sense all around. I wish him well.
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not so cut and dry as that.
They could have dumped him last week or the week after. They already said Quinn was #2 for Oakland game, and each game since. They easily could have dumped him for that oakland game or immediately afterwards. So it can’t be simply to save cap room.
Again, why now? what changed?
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Nov 22, 2011 2:19 PM MST up reply actions
My Guess...
It was mutual. Orton finally came to grips with that fact that Tebow can win and he would not be getting his job back. Plus there are so many teams with QB needs, he probably felt he might be able to snatch up a position.
HEY - Don't go making sense about this!
This is a conspiracy by a rookie VP, dick move, WHY OH WHY!!!
I just want to know....
Did someone on our roster get hurt? Could that be why we dumped him, so we can pick up a replacement as we make a push for the playoffs?
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
McGahee???
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
What if Garrard now available?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
I think he is is hurt and un motivated this year.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
I'm leaning towards
just being a locker room cancer. Not in the T.O. sense, but in a “I don’t give a fock” sense. That can rub players the wrong way, especially as they gear up for a playoff run.
OR,
It could be that we need a roster spot cause something happened. I hope I’m wrong and that we are only cutting him as a courtesy, and if we save a few bucks, so be it, cause I’d hate for someone like Miller get hurt and need 4 weeks to recover, so naturally we keep him on roster, but need a replacement, thus, needing a free roster spot.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Get a clue!
Locker room cancer?! Why, what have you ever heard about Orton being a cancer?
Child, please!
by BFF46350 on Nov 22, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Recent reports from the sidelines
And locker agree with you as well.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Oh for Pete's sake!
This is the last thing I would have ever heard about Orton. No way. I don’t buy it.
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by SDcat09 on Nov 22, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Orton may have been a sucky QB
but he is a classy person until he’s not
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously
People have too much time on their hands, and paranoia is not the best hobby in the world. ;)
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Which is better though
paranoia, or antagonism?
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't be so paranoid if everyone wasn't out to get me...
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 22, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions
Just because you're paranoid
doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you.
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Orton is the definition of class.
He has even been trying to help Tebow. That can’t be easy.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 22, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Garrard
has said that he won’t play this year and probably retire. His back is messed up.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions
Garrard had surgery. He won't be playing for anyone this year.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Nov 23, 2011 6:29 AM MST up reply actions
Another possibility ...
Is it possible that we got a heads up that someone was looking to poach Adam weber off our practice squad ? Just a thought.
not a bad thought.
even if there was not any word come to them, look at the situation. Teams desparate, and some of them are going to fall out of the playoff race…at that point, why not look at two QBs?…one from us and one from the draft.
Actually a good thought!
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:12 AM MST up reply actions
really? - "poach" an undrafted FA QB from the football "powerhouse", Minnesota, who threw exactly one pass in the preseason
I know that we tend to think our players are better than everyone else’s but that is just mindblowingly ridiculous. Adam Weber is not being coveted by any team. If that were ever the case, he would have been drafted in the late rounds of last year’s draft. Short of throwing ONE pass in the preseason, what has he done since the draft to make a team another team want him?
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Nov 23, 2011 6:34 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Has nothing to do with Timmy. Broncos have 8 fa that MUST be addressed
Plus as REPORTED Kyle and his agent asked for the release. So the classy Bronco organization stepped up, even though some pro-bronco posters think it was dumb.
"It's amazing the crowd Tim draws. It’s like he can’t do no wrong. But I’ll tell you what – if you don’t win in this league, it won’t last that long." Champ Bailey
"Week in and week out lost in Tebowmania, Von Miller comes to play the game of football, and to me, with consistency," said Deion Sanders, NFL Network analyst on NFL GameDay. "He’s the most impressive rookie."
Bronco fan since 1966. Current Bronco fan in Vegas, living the good life.
Houston has Matt Linhert or however you spell his last name
he knows the system. Orton will go to the bears where he’s comfortable with the system
by Scotty Payne on Nov 22, 2011 2:10 PM MST up reply actions
Lovie know's him though and could make it work
by Scotty Payne on Nov 22, 2011 2:12 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe but who knows. He traded him away for a reason. Might be some bad blood.
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
Maybe he wants to get reunited with Lloyd and McD
Maybe Bradford is hurt and nobody knows…
LOL – just starting rumor mill with that
Orton, Lloyd and McD reunited!?
That could literally produce upwards of 4 wins in a season.
by Oregon Crush on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
Could very well be
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 22, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
Are you pulling our legs?
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 22, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting!
So sign Orton, cut a PS guy, and McD gets a 4000+ yard QB to continue grooming. WOW. You just blew my mind…
Nah. It's Leinart to lose
Kubiak believes in him and the team seems to rally around him too.
<—Texans fan
agreed
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
who is first on waiver wire
chicago or houston?
the internet? that thing is still around?
~Homer Simpson
But a lot of teams ahead of them.
Hoping he goes to one of them instead of Bears…
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Chicago is #30 on the waiver wire. So every other team has to let him pass in order to make it to them
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I asked me the same
I thought the waiver wire was only valid to young players on their first 5 years contract.
Anyone?
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:14 AM MST up reply actions
Everyone goes on waivers after the trade dead line.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
according to porkchop
it decided to waive him now to see if another team would claim the $2.5 million remaining on his contract.
This makes sense why now
Because for me it makes more sense to get a compensatory pick.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 23, 2011 2:15 AM MST up reply actions
This almost makes me as happy
As hearing that Ty Wiggington got traded.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
On a related note...
The shocking sports story of the year is that a team would actually trade something of a value over $5 for Ty Wigginton. What was that all about.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
The Phillies saw him on paper.
And now they will be cursed because of it.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
Exactly.
idk why people keep saying it’s a dick move
by Scotty Payne on Nov 22, 2011 2:13 PM MST up reply actions
I redacted I redacted!! lol
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
OK. I have heard of the first two in passing
Sorry to hear that you can rattle those off like that… LOL
Yeah, that IS a little scary...
but, no, it’s just flippin the channels through all the aforementioned crap…
And having 2 kids in their early twenties going through their tv watching habits the past 10 years. I guess I sound like an angry old fart, now.
my opinion
orton goes in and says how he has been a team guy and played every roll that we have asked of him and asks to be cut so he can get on another team. the FO sees that we could save some money if another team picks him up and agrees. IMO
Yup....
reading the twitter leaves this probably in large part had to do with the fact that there is demand for a veteran QB on the market and if a team makes a waiver claim on him the Broncos save $2.5M.
Why pay KO $2.5 large to flatten his ass on the pine when they can pay Weber in bubblegum and baseball cards.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM MST up reply actions
Yep. It's really a win/win for everyone if that is how it played out.
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Probably so.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 22, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
orton to the bears makesway too much sense to not happen
I think this is just a case of a player seeing an opportunity, talking to management, and the organization accommodating him. Kudos to the broncos.
by Rainbow skyline on Nov 22, 2011 2:18 PM MST reply actions
Faith in Tebow
They wouldn’t bench Tebow for Orton, anyway. It would be Brady Quinn if they thought to do that, but winning solves everything.
Good Luck in the future Kyle.
Decent guy hope he finds success.
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by SDcat09 on Nov 22, 2011 2:19 PM MST reply actions 9 recs
Yep...Kyle has been a trooper.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Could it be..
that there was concern someone might sign Adam Weber to their active roster as a backup with all the QBs going down?
Guys like Weber are a dime a dozen...
I think it frees up a roster spot for something else…
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by CombatChuk on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Disagree about Weber.
Watch Decker’s college highlights and you will see Weber making some great throws.
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by GrizBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Weber is underrated. The QB rating formula is different for college so I converted them to the nfl formula.
Minnesota plays a pretty tough schedule and here are his stats.
Freshman :: 258 of 449 for 2895 24td/19int - NFL Rating 77.02 NFL Rating 69.6
Sophomore :: 255 of 410 for 2761 15td/8int -
Junior :: 191 of 367 for 2582 13td/15int - NFL Rating 69.5 NFL Rating 86.76
Senior :: 205 of 368 for 2679 20td/9int -
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
Lame. The dashes resulted in cross outs. Doh!
Freshman :: 258 of 449 for 2895 24td/19int NFL Rating 77.02
Sophomore :: 255 of 410 for 2761 15td/8int NFL Rating 69.6
Junior :: 191 of 367 for 2582 13td/15int NFL Rating 69.5
Senior :: 205 of 368 for 2679 20td/9int NFL Rating 86.76
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the research, very interesting. Maybe you could write a Weber post with more detail?
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 23, 2011 7:36 AM MST up reply actions
Absolutely!
Plus, they gave TT some games to see if we were going to go 1-4 again. But 4-1 says “we can release Orton now…”
see my comment above - this is a ridiculous line of thought
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Nov 23, 2011 6:38 AM MST up reply actions
Hope Kyle gets a chance elsewhere. Thanks for your time here man,
You took a lot of shit from us.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
by Zac Man on Nov 22, 2011 2:19 PM MST reply actions 8 recs
Yes he did. I liked him and he deserves some success
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just not for a team we have to play
this season
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed Zac Man. Good thoughts!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Nothing against KO....
He was just boring as hell.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely.
..We're 5-11 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Wow!!! This is rather shocking news !!
You’d think that we could have got a 5th 6th or 7th pick for him.
especially with Cutler going down.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Oh yea. you're right
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, and Davis.....
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Good call Broncos
sure, you’ve already paid him a lot, but why pay that extra 2.5 mil? You made it abundantly clear you were never going to play him again.
Still doubt Tebow?
We will always have KingNeckBeard on twitter.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
it'd be nice
if he left a neckbeard for the trophy case at dove valley.
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King Neckbeard
kicks trash!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
I feel bad for Orton since even after being benched he was still a team player
however this looks like a foolish move from a FO standpoint. There are currently plenty of teams looking for a QB (Houston, Chicago, KC, Seattle, and maybe Miami) and of those teams I see Kansas City as the front runner to get him.
Plus (and I’m not sure on this so don’t quote me) but don’t the broncos still eat his salary in cap space because it now counts towards dead money (remember dead money) till his contract expires (the end of the season). So If what I’m saying is true, yes we are saving cash but he still eat his salary under the cap.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
we did this for Kyle. If anything EFX showed it has some class.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
I agree with the showing class towards Kyle and giving him another shot this year
but this could really come back to bite us
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
yeah now we won't get the darn comp pick boo hoo.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Or KC.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 22, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
I said this before
I see Orton going to Kansas City. Say what you will about Orton but he’s an upgrade over Palko and the next time we see KC Orton will have had plenty of time to learn the offense and find chemistry with their receivers.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions
they'll take a look st stanzi before they try Orton
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Only if they have given up on the season already
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
more than I am of Palko
I don’t understand why the Broncos couldn’t have just stashed him away on their roster. He wasn’t causing any problems and now a playoff team that just lost their QB can pick him up.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Orton was a good soldier for us
He never ran his mouth. The organization made a classy move.
TurfSharks.com
I agree with you there, it's a classy move
but I don’t think it’s a smart one
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
BINGO
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
VonDoom will have a picnic with his statue style of play....
For Ortons sake I would hope he wouldn’t put himself through that punishment…
hopefully by then
KC will be securely out of postseason contention, it’s only a matter of time. I hate the Steelers but they are a tough team
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
read my comments above on why I think it's dumb
say what you want about him but he’s an upgrade for most teams just lost their starting QB’s.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think you're really qualified
to call the FO decision “dumb”, unless you are actually privy to all the inside information the rest of us seem to be lacking.
And, yes, he is a viable upgrade to several QBs out there.
Would you consider that the “dumb” FO was ready to let go of Kyle only after Tebow went 4-1? And there are now several opportunities for Orton that weren’t there a week ago. How about both parties were professional and competent and everyone benefits? Or are you stuck with “dumb and foolish” moves?
Me calling this dumb has nothing to do with Tebow
It’s a classy move yes but I think this is a dumb decision from a football perspective because the Broncos could’ve just stashed him away on their roster. I’m glad for Kyle if he gets another shot but their is a good chance the Broncos will have to face him in the coming weeks. I’ve said repeatly I think he goes to KC and that is an instant improvement for them over Palko and we have to compete with KC for a playoff spot.
Am I qualified to call the decision “dumb” no but that won’t stop me from speaking my mind. I’m an EFX supporter and this is only the second time I’ve verbally called them out for something (the first being signing Ty Warren for 10 million) but I will speak my mind regardless.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Again
Maybe, behind the closed doors of a pro football team, this was simply a good time for the team to let him go, and it was a good time for Orton to be released because there are 4-5 QB opportunities available right NOW. You know, win/win.
Or, maybe you’ re right, The FO is a bunch of idiots and doesn’t have a clue what the f they’re doing, and Orton will lead his next team to knock us out of the playoffs…
Sounds like Snooki talk…
Snooki talk?
I’m assuming your implying Jersey Shore because of a comment I saw you post below but I’m still not sure what that is?
I’m not denying this is classy move. Maybe I’m just a terrible person for thinking the Broncos should have kept Orton on the roster till the end of the season because we will probably have to face him down the road.
Never said I think EFX doesn’t have a clue. They released him because QB demand is high right now and they are hoping someone picks him up so they don’t have to eat his contract. I just don’t think this is the best decision.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions
and before you point out how do I know that
I don’t, just presumptions
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
If we lose out to an Orton lead team... we were not ready for prime time anyway
by Da Bum on Nov 22, 2011 3:01 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
+ 1000
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
I can see this several ways....
I can definitely see Kyle asking to be released. I can see the Broncos accommodating him, too. But I had hoped wed get some kind of compensation for him BEFORE the trade deadline.
He’s a new daddy, and even though he has already made more money than I’m likely to see in my lifetime, I hope he lands a new gig. I really hope it’s Houston. The fact that we released him with the bears coming up and needing a QB really bothers me. I know some team will poach him and drain the playbook out of him. Strategically, this was idiotic to me. Ethically, it was the right thing to do. Hopefully Kyle will return the favor and refuse to divulge playbook info. However, I look at this like a few of you above – Kyle took a LOT of crap from the Broncos. It’s just business. If that’s the case, it’s “just business” for him to use all his knowledge to help his new team win. Bad timing in my eyes. I don’t like this.
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by HarvJNep2n on Nov 22, 2011 2:24 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anyone will claim his contract to absorb the playbook.
1. Kyle didn’t run our new playbook.
2. Anyone who picks him up owes him 2.5 mil, way too much for that.
Still doubt Tebow?
Not for Houston in a year they need to make the playoffs.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
we don't play them though
I was saying no one will pick up KO to absorb our playbook. My point is if your picking him up for 2.5 mil your gonna start him
Still doubt Tebow?
He knows what we're doing, though. THis is just blind conjecture by me.... I'd appreciate hearing all the reasons I'm probably wrong!
I certainly wish KO the best and I hope he can go somewhere and have an opportunity to be solid. He had his chance here, and he regretfully blew it. But I hope he improves and does well wherever he lands.
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Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
You would think in todays world
and contracts protecting intelectual property that players would be liable for giving away playbook info. No?
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I would think.....
But I hear about it all the time.
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I'm with Da Bum
it would not work, courtrooms, in and of themselves, are sleazy
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions
Just another reason to point out that Bowlen is having money trouble.
I’m sure Houston is quite curious about this development. The Bears have a young backup that they probably want to see in action.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
I don't think the move saved any money
“Curious timing, as Orton ultimately received around $2.5-million for his five starts in Denver.”
TurfSharks.com
It will when Houston picks him up. Will save Bowlen $2.5MM. I bet Denver even asked Houston and Kubes if they would pick him up before we cut him.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
This is what I'm wondering.
Would there have been some behind the scenes communication? I don’t know if league rules allow it. What keeps teams from saying, “OK, I’ll release player A, and you release player B,” after the trade deadline has passed? Seems fishy.
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
Not like that.
Just Denver asking Houston if they’d make a claim on Orton, thus saving Bowlen the remainder of Orton’s 2011 salary.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
I see, but I just wonder where the line is drawn between what teams can communicate about and what they can't.
I just have know idea and would be interested to know.
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The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
The Agents can do the leg work
That is the way around that
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That is true. But the Broncos would have to KNOW something, whether it came from an agent or not,
to know this is worth their while.
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
it'd be like ABSCAM.
“oops, would you look at that. i just dropped a bag on the floor with two million dollars in it.” “that is odd. we’re having trouble holding on to this large bag of kyle orton, ourselves. it might ‘slip’ too…”
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
by oxmouth on Nov 22, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
NFLN
just said that no one can talk to the player or agent for 24 hours. Don’t know about discussions before the release…..
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Not even necessary - look at this week's injury news
Several QBs down for the rest of the year. Makes Kyle Orton a commodity worth the $2.5M. He wasn’t last week.
For something like that to be viable
would require that both teams were in a position to make that happen. What are the chances? We already know there may be contention for Orton. If we wanted the player Houston dropped in exchange, how do we ensure that no other team will intervene? It would be extremely difficult to manipulate that way.
I wondered if there might be a quid pro quo going on here as well
We would have the #2 waiver claim, so only Carolina could snatch a player away from us.
But I think a more likely scenario would involve an imbalanced trade this coming offseason. Like maye we trade someone we were going to cut anyway for a mid-round draft pick. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
or....
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ecgpjKfZ-Q
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
We only had the #2 claim for the first month of the season, we're a little further down the later now.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
If Kyle goes back to the bears after being released (and even if he doesn't)
this makes the Cutler trade much worse value. I know, Ted, I know…. sunk costs. Geez. But still….
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
Moreno and Ayers were the two first rounders associated with the Cutler trade. The 5th to go with Cutler netted the Bears Johnnie Knox and we got Orton as well. I’m sure there was another low pick thrown in but McD sure was a reach by Bowlen.
Say hello to my fast...
by dcrespo7 on Nov 23, 2011 6:55 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
And let Orakpo go; traded a 2010 #1 for Alphonso Smith, who was then rolled into a backup TE
And got a fragile RB and a WR who runs random routes and is also fragile.
I’d call that pissing away 4 first round picks (the Bronco’s 2 and 2 from the Bears). Oh, yeah, there was the 3rd round Chicago pick that McD magically rolled in with Denver’s #3 to get two guys who are not longer in football.
Good luck Kyle
I hope you get another shot somewhere.
Go Broncos!
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I dont see the Bears going after him....
That’s too much of an incestuous thing…
Bringing back a former starter QB to a town where the current starter was his trader counterpart?
That’s got weirdsville all over it.
I think the Texans go for it. Kubiak has his one shot with Manning out to make a run and doubt he trust Frat Boy Leinart.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:27 PM MST reply actions
I agree
What would they really be hoping for? If Orton does well and wins games, you have a mini controversy that will rear its head every time Cutler struggles. If he sucks, you got nada and would be better off playing a youngster. The only way this works is if Orton KNOWS he is done after the season barring a major Cutler injury. I do not see this as all that likely.
KC won’t touch him. Not at his salary level and their season over anyway. He’ll get picked up by Houston. Makes too much sense.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Has to be, right?
I bet Kubiak bout had a heartattack when Schaub went down. Saw his one chance going down the tubes.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
I bet Denver even asked Houston if they’d pick him up and save us the $2.5MM.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
The Broncos and Texans are still boys
it wouldn’t surprise me at all
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
we released him, he's not on waivers
They can sign him to whatever they want if he agrees and if Orton is demanding the same contract he was looking for at the beginning of the season he’s gonna be unemployed for a while.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Negative....
released is waivers.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:32 PM MST up reply actions
Only players with less than 4 years experience hit waivers
Orton is currently a free agent, any team can sign him for whatever they like.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
Alberta is right
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it still don't matter. Only Houston or Chicago need him.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Teams have to follow the waiver order to claim him do they not?
And any team that claims him must pay the rest of his salary for the year do they not?
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
You are right
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
OMG that was funny! ha ha!
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
lol
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
if waived before trade deadline then free agent (+4 years)
after deadline than goes to waiver…ala albert haynesworhless
the internet? that thing is still around?
~Homer Simpson
I figured that out
thanks though :)
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not sure
Tampa claimed Haynesworth off waivers earlier this year. And he’s been around longer than Orton.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say, 'I'm not a role model.' Yes, you are. You're just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow
The difference is
He is a vested veteran and can move to whichever team he wants, the an Unrestricted Free Agent.
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@MaxBroncos Only before the trading deadline. After, it’s waivers RT @Skotty_Payne: Orton isnt on waivers, only players with 4 yrs or less on waivers.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
I looked it up
this only applies to veteran players between February 1st and the trade deadline. After the trade deadline all released players go through waivers first before having their contracts terminated.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
Yes. Which means Houston can pick him up and relieve Denver the entire remaining obligation.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
let's pray for Houston then
that way we won’t have to face him till at least the playoffs
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Lombardi on NFLN
says waivers.
I don’t know but they can’t be that clueless can they??
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Everyone said that with the Albert Haynesworth situation....
But he was claimed off waivers. As was Randy Moss last year (Titans). I remember because ppl thought he might slip to the Pats thus meaning MN gave away picks for a 3 game rental.
IDK the rules… but I those are 2 vets that hit waivers.
I'd rather not have to face Orton on the Bears
He probably knows the Tebow-run offense better than Tebow at this point. And just in general, Orton definitely knows plenty about Tebow from tutoring him. Hope he goes to a team the Broncos don’t face.
I dont think the Tebow offense is a surprise....
The surprise is not the plays, just how and when executed.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Agree - any defensive coordinator who doesn't know Denver's plays has a single digit IQ
It is the reads and choices in those plays that lead to the offense the Broncos have generated, when the offense has worked.
I'm not real worried about Orton giving our playbook to the bears
1. I think he’s a better guy than that.
2. the broncos barely have an offensive playbook anyway.
3. they are totally making it up as they go along.
by Rainbow skyline on Nov 22, 2011 2:30 PM MST reply actions
Interesting move
Since we really gain nothing from it, and even if Tebow was benched Quinn would likely start over Orton. Either way, good luck where ever you go Orton, as long as you aren’t playing the Broncos.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
A possible money saver for Bowlen, nothing more in it for Denver.
It’s always healthy to be reminded the NFL is a business first and foremost. Not a game. Perhaps this is why I should worry less about Tebow and 2012. Tim is good for Bowlen’s bottom line.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Ouch.... that last tweet hurt.
“So if you’re doing the math, Broncos traded Cutler to Bears for…. nothing. Enjoy your evening Broncos fans.”
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 22, 2011 2:36 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, he's doing alright. Thanks for that. I was on my way to get my noose out of mothballs.
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Bronco's
should be stacked w/ the bounty they got from Cutler & Bmarsh
Release the Tebow!
by NewEraNugg on Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
SHOULD be.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
by HarvJNep2n on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
about that
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
The trade was basically Cutler and Johnny Knox for Ayers, D Thomas, Dick Quinn and Kyle Orton.
Ayers has passed Knox as the best draft pick, Thomas is still around, Dick Quinn works at Wal-Mart and Orton was very productive for a throw in.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Maybe Orton can help us win a game for a change when he comes to town in a few weeks with the Bears.
I hope he and Von aren’t buds.
Orton is so slow, he’d be in line to take sacks from Von, Elvis, Dawkins, DJ, Ayers, Bunkley, Thomas, the Pope, McBean, that Wilhite dude, my sister, Haggan, Champ, etc.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Martz has now adjusted and is running the ball with Hester.
HE will be very hard to stop
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
that's bullshit
Something tells me I need to rework my old fan post about it. It’s still an impressive haul.
Like I said...
…all of this garbage talk about our FO and what they say in the media? LMAO
You don’t really believe anything you read do you?
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
You have to stop flashing that fancy sig line around. I keep mistaking you for Mike Clark.
Hahah.
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LOL
Ya, Mike brought it back and I’m glad he did! I had lost it and now I am happy to spread the Kool-Aid with it.
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
That is on my desktop
I am always happy in lala land
Go Broncos!
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I think I'll root for him wherever he goes. I think he earned it with how he handled his demotion.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
by Zac Man on Nov 22, 2011 2:37 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
+1
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On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
He definately likes to dip on the sidelines
got punched by Johnny Copenhagen a few times it looked like to me
A baseball park is the one place where a man's wife doesn't mind his getting excited over somebody else's curves
by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Me too, but I've been accused of being too sentimental.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 22, 2011 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
Right there with ya
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Sounds like Orton would like to go back to the Bears
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19391873
Agent started talking to the Denver FO after Cutler broke his hand…
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come one. Tebow vs Orton would kill in ratings!
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Orton helping ratings?
Give the announcers something to talk about, but even though I defended Orton to the end I can’t say having him in the lineup will help the ratings for any game.
I don't know,
I think the networks would like a storyline like that.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Nov 22, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Me too
Orton’s not great, but he’s better than Hanie.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Bazinga....
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by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:42 PM MST reply actions
Kristen will kiss it and Jay will come back ready to play some football with the boys
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Kristin has said No Way is she going back to kiss anything.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Feeling Apprehensive About This
I am going to be pissed if Orton comes back as a Bear or Chief and plays lights out—putting a stake in the Broncos’ playoff hopes. Would only be fitting for how much crap this guy took from the moment he was traded to Denver.
karmas a bitch
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
I would prefer Orton to Hainie. Chicago is not a good pass protect team and our pass rush is cranking up.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
If he goes to the bears,
it’s gonna be Orton and the bears offensive line against our defense
by moondoggie12 on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST up reply actions
no it will be our Def line against Hester
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
And what if Orton comes back, throws 2 INTs and takes 7 sacks?
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What if part of the deal was if he plays us again
he has to throw the game
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
It’s common in English soccer that a team will insist that on terms of a “loan” the player is not allowed to play against the loaning team.
i keep dancing on my own.
But that's not how it works in the NFL
No way he’s not going to play – and play to win – if whatever team gets him plays vs Denver this year.
I wasn't serious
just like cooking up a good ol consipracy
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
Well
if we take care of business against the Vikes and Dolts, it won’t matter anyway. Being 7-5 would put us in propitious position.
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:06 PM MST up reply actions
Personally, I hope that someone who we play laterdoes pick him up.
I thought he was a class act and I wish him the best, but I love the idea of VonDoom getting after him. He is a statue. I just hope they don’t kill him.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Nov 22, 2011 2:46 PM MST reply actions
would wonder if it is a locker room issue
I looked last week at the game and couldn’t see him around the QBs He wasn’t inactive. Just wonder if he was dividing the locker room and they wanted to remove his influence
Doubt it
He’s a good guy, and who could turn the lockerroom against Tebow? Tebow has nothing if not locker room presence. He clearly has excited the team a lot – the only guys that might have been upset were Lloyd (now in StL) and Gaffney (now in Was). They were Orton guys, when it comes to passing chemistry at least.
from what I remember
Gaffney had a few quotes that were completely sticking up for Tebow. I always saw the top three anti-Tebow players as Lloyd, Orton, and Goodman.
anti-Tebow players as Lloyd, Orton, and Goodman.
Orton has never uttered a bad word about Tebow.
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neither did the other two
It’s really not much to go on with any of the players, really. All the Broncos have been pretty professional. It’s just because of minor stuff like Lloyd’s comments (and my suspicion that he was Silver’s secret source), Goodman sticking up for Orton when he was cut, reports that Orton was laughing and shaking his head at Tebow first year when Tebow would lead everyone in laps, etc.
Oh man, orton behind that O-Line against VonDoom?
damn, kyle go to the bears, first beat the raiders for us
I'm not so sure this has anything to do with Tebow, sadly.
Neither does the sunrise this morning, or the sunset this afternoon. Why pay a guy $2.5 million more to stand on the sideline when you know he’s done here? If we need to see anyone else under center this year it needs to be Quinn, not Orton.
Kyle will land somewhere else. The Broncos will go on. This really changes little other than Kyle gets a chance to resume his career elsewhere and the Broncos save $2.5 million they can give to whatever quarterback they draft in April.
Win-win.
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I want to resign a few people first.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Why should Mid-Utah Radio.com
in a languishing economy continue to pay a malcontent who yells at his boss (my roomie)? The Broncos have shown our company the right thing to do, Orton should be treated with class, my roomie should go to the unemployment line and find a job as the community’s sewage administrator.
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
ok. WOW. UM SURE!
Why not I guess. WOW
by 77th,,MECKLENBURG on Nov 22, 2011 2:56 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I like the move.
1) It saves $2.5 million. Now, I don’t think that’s a make-or-break number for the franchise, but maybe we can start a campaign to get those cheerleaders a nice Christmas bonus.
2) It’s a brilliant strategic move for on-field results. Firsthand experience tells us what Orton will do on the field… and he will do exactly what we want our opponent’s QB to do: get hit by a pass rush (field position) and throw picks (gut punch). Beating an opponent because Orton goes into PTSD after the first VonDoom sack and starts throwing straight to Champ works for me.
3) I wonder if there’s a gentleman’s agreement somewhere where Orton’s agent will negotiate a low draft pick going to Denver from whatever team Orton signs with…
Texas or Chicago are my guesses
Tip to TX, Martz’s offense has too much timing and complexity to bring in a new QB for the last 6 weeks…
NYJ – I doubt it. They aren’t really done with Sanchez yet… I’d say Washington before them. Or even Miami.
I really do not understand why the Chiefs would have any interest. They suck and will miss the playoffs. Why pay 2.5 million to perhaps suck slightly less?
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Absolutely
They are not ready this year. They would be in similar spot to the Bears. If you bring in Orton and he sucks, you overpaid. If you bring in Orton and he wins some for you… you have instant QB controversy.
Yeah, but that might be the risk the Bears have to take to get to the playoffs in a year where a lot of stuff seems to be breaking for them.
Otherwise, the Tejans would be good for Orton since I’m pretty sure he can throw play-action and swing passes to Arian Foster with something resembling competence.
i keep dancing on my own.
Orton's best skill is his play action fake
It is the best one I’ve seen in the NFL, hands down. It worked without a running game half the time last year – it should be great with a great running game to back it up.
why would he go to KC then
Dwayne Bowe can never make catches when it matters
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Cutler is better seated for the Bears than Cassel is for KC, in my opinion
It might be something the Bears risk. If I were the Chefs, I would stay away. However, Haley and McD seem to have the same malfunction, so maybe Orton looks really good to him!
A few thoughts on this move..
- It can be awkward to have the demoted leader standing on the sideline while everyone is excited about what the new leader is doing. It can be a buzz kill to have to stand next to him in the locker room.
- This saves us $2.5M. That’s enough money to pay for a guy like Willis McGahee for a year. It’s certainly enough money to matter.
- This gives Kyle the chance to move on with a real chance to start for a real playoff contender with a great defense and a great running game (Bears, Texans).
- It’s not exactly a conspiracy to suggest that Gary Kubiak and John Elway had a conversation about Kyle Orton where Elway said alright, but if you end up getting him then you’ll owe me one. So maybe on the next draft-day trade Kubiak over pays for whatever.
- Why now? Management has decided that Tebow will start for the rest of the season.
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by Rodney A on Nov 22, 2011 3:10 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
Bullet Points
Like a Boss. All seem logical as well. Good post.
by Oregon Crush on Nov 22, 2011 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
Don't the Broncos eat that 2.5 in dead money though till the end of the season?
This is a legitimate question I’m not sure about. I asked above but didn’t get an answer.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Dunno, but I didn't think we were in cap trouble this year
But saving 2.5m is still saving a good bit of money, any way it works out in the details.
we're saving it in cash I guess
but we still gotta eat in cap space so I don’t think this was a move to make another signing. We’ll see though because we still do have cap space.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
We're not close to the cap limit this year, so it's not a big deal
If Orton wasn’t picked up off of waivers then yes, we’d still reflect his cap hit of the $2.5M and we’d still owe it to him, but it wouldn’t affect next year and we’re not close to the cap this year, so there’s really no significant cap implications to worry about here.
In fact, I would bet that the Broncos wouldn’t have released Orton if they weren’t already pretty positive that another team will pick him up. We’re losing a late round compensatory pick by waiving him now, and that only makes sense if you’re sure to get out of paying the $2.5M. Otherwise it’s just not worth it, IMO. I’m sure Kyle’s agent already gave the wink that he’s aware of a team that wants him.
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That is my thinking behind why we released him
it’s because QB demand is really high right now and we’re hoping someone eats his contract and save money. I just don’t think this was done to make another signing.
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by AlbertaBronc on Nov 22, 2011 3:26 PM MST up reply actions
Interesting play to save 2.5 million....and help KO out.
Chicago wouldn’t make much sense since Martz’s offense is so intricate…..it would take time to pick it up.
Houston does make sense.
KC…..that would be kind of a bummer, but O could see it.
Good luck KO!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
McCoy can't pass on first down....his play-calls are hurting this team!
Good question
You’d think they would have to right? I mean, who else on the offense deserves it? McGahee seems to be a hell of a guy but, I’m thinking the C designation belongs to Tebow.
by Oregon Crush on Nov 22, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Who cares?
they’ll give it to a veteran. Oh wait………..we have no veterans on offense.
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Well, tough to lose the compensatory draft pick that we'd have gotten
Also, he would have been a good replacement if Tebow got hurt – I don’t trust Quinn, and I do know Orton can play quality (if not winning) football.
But, the rest of me is glad to see it. I happily root for Orton (as long as he doesn’t catch on with KC – that’d be poor) on any of the ex-Bronco teams that need a QB (Chi, Was, Hou). I’m rooting for Houston to get him – he’s not a Shannahan style QB, but with a great running game like Houston has his play-action abilities would be used to the max – and Houston needs to make a playoff run this year. Go Broncos south!
makes sense
pick down in the range of 240 overall isn’t going to net you much more than an undrafted FA. And if you really really want someone in that range, just use cash considerations to buy a 7th rounder from someone else (and no, I’m not sure this is possible, though I know it sure is in the NBA)
i keep dancing on my own.
KO was not going to be able to run the current Broncos offense. So I doubt that he was ever going to see the field again for the Broncos.
Being more athletic, BQ would have at least been able to run a few of the zone read/option type plays that have become a large part of our offensive game plan. With KO we would have had to revert to the offense from the first 4.5 games – which wasn’t a very good offense even with Lloyd to catch passes.
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Nov 23, 2011 6:56 AM MST up reply actions
Houston will not do it IMO
Last few weeks they have been saying they have faith in Leinart and have had 2 weeks to prepare with him going forward as starting QB. If they sign Orton everything that they said goes down the drain…but maybe they dont care
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Could be signing him as Leinhart's backup
Or at least another option if Leinhart plays like he has in the past.
WOW..... this was a clever clever move by Mr. Elway....
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if the Broncos fail he wins (higher draft pick), if they win he wins...
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by The MoonMan 804 on Nov 22, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
Tashard Choice anybody?
Heard he was released today
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not for me
but wondered if anybody else wanted him here…
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
He was a good backup
Once upon a time in Dallas. But he won’t do special teams and isn’t a good blocker. Garrett lost faith in him a long time ago. He’s probably close to the end of his career now, unless he can somehow become a more complete player.
by The Fall Guy on Nov 22, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Meh
According to my Cowboy fan friends, he was good his first year or two. Since then he’s been injured a lot. And like Summitgrad said above, getting released twice in a season is not a good sign.
by SFV Bronco Fan on Nov 22, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
could think of worse 3rd running backs
it would all depend on what the coaches see…i haven’t watched any film on him to really know
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 22, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions
Did anybody else see Kyle Orton dipping on the sidelines all the time
after he got benched?
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Lol, strange question … I did not notice that. I know Fox is big into chewin tabaccy. Never seen him dip on gameday, though.
by Oregon Crush on Nov 22, 2011 3:44 PM MST up reply actions
Foxy is always dippin’ during the game. It’s a sign of a good coach.
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 23, 2011 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Where is my boy Hoop? This is a good day for him. He probably thought I’d rub this cut in his face, but my thinking was Orton had no shot at a 2012 starter gig if he rode pine for 2011 then entered UFA.
If Orton lands in Houston next week and plays well, he could have a shot at another legit starter job in 2012. bigger contract too.
Orton won today.
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holy shnikey!
that was definitive. ain’t no going back now. hopefully someone picks him up, he plays this year, we save a bit. we’ll miss tge compensatory pick, though. good luck to him, personally i feel he did a good job in weird circumstances. go kyle. seriously, go. and goodbye.
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Class moves pay off in the long run
That builds respect from the players and they want to play for an organization that they have faith in. Kind of makes me think of when Reggie White chose to go lowly Green Bay. Maybe this move will help attract team first free agents.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
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best to burn the bridge behind you.
I like this because it adds clarity in the locker room, increases buy-in and commitment level.
Especially among the wide receivers. These guys need to get their act together.
I’m glad Orton is gone. I don’t think there’s any karmic debt on either side regarding Orton. He was treated well by the front office and his teammates. Those New England and Dallas games two years ago were pretty fun. So long, Kyle.
How is move clever?
EFX should have worked out a deal for Orton with Miami….why all of a sudden is E;lway clever….I was one of the screaming posters during trade talks with Miami….made 0 sense to keep him then for both parties….I hope Miami picks him up….then both Orton and the EFX will get the pounding they deserve…They messed it up!
not so much
Rent-an-Orton was not worth 9.5 million to Miami in a rebuilding year. However, Houston and Chicago are potentially in a situation where a single game will be decisive for their playoff hopes (or with Houston, get them to the AFC Championship or Super Bowl). Those wins could potentially be worth millions simply in ticket sales, not to mention the value to Kubiak/Lovie in terms of job security. So 6 games + the playoffs worth of Orton at 2 mil for those two teams is much more worthwhile than 16 games of Orton for Miami at much much more money.
i keep dancing on my own.
Bears fan here... I am a NeckBeard fan but...
Orton to the Bears does not make sense. The Bears are looking for a veteran QB, but they are looking for somebody who actually knows the offense. Mike Martz’s offense is exceedingly complex, and it’s not something you learn on the fly.
Additionally, although the Bears are doing a much better job on the offensive line (they are now league average in sacks allowed and QB hits) they are NOT the kind of line you want a stationary QB playing under.
I actually think the NeckBeard is a good player and he will find a team, I just doubt it is going to be Chicago. Too much O to learn in too short of a time.
This makes the Cutler/Orton trade kind of interesting. Less than 2 seasons later, Chicago has Cutler & Johnny Knox (about a 1,000 yard receiver last year) out of the deal, and you guys would have Robert Ayers, Richard Quinn (traded up cost something that I couldn’t quite figure out) and Tim Tebow (again, traded up to get him so it ends up being minus Denver’s 2010 2nd round pick (# 43), a 3rd round pick (# 70), and a 4th round pick (# 114).
Bottom line at this point in time it is Cutler & Knox for Ayers & Tebow with the additional cost to the Broncos of a second rounder, a third rounder and a fourth rounder. Quinn & Orton got cut.
Interesting.
Denver got something from Orton. two years of service. Quinn was a complete waste.
I’d say the trade was Culter and Knox for Orton, Ayers, D Thomas and Dick Quinn. You guys won, but Ayers is really coming around this year and hopefully D Thomas does at some point.
Thanks to Cutler’s horrible year in 2009, we got a nice and high 1st rounder in 2010. We traded it down and got Decker as a result.
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With Decker
entering the equation, I think it’s fair to say this trade was a draw, especially since no one knows what Cutler can do when it matters most, he being hurt in the NFC Championship Game.
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Wasn't Moreno a Bears pick?
Regardless, that was the most horrible pick of McDaniel’s tenure.
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Unless Houston uses their waiver claim.
Come on Kubes. Do Bowlen’s pocket book a favor.
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He is on waivers until tomorrow at 2pm.
Chicago is 30th in waiver claim. Houston is much higher. Mid teens I think.
I know what I’m saying on this btw. Orton is on waivers for the next 24 hours.
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30th for Chicago?
GB the SF the NO Det Chi NE Hos and Balt are all at 7-3
Tied for 30th yes. Tie breakers ????
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I thought veterans over 4yrs in the league didn't have to go through the waiver system.
Maybe I’m wrong.
According to Zach Zaidman on rotoworld...
The Bears are in the 30th waiver position for Kyle Orton this week.
The Texans have a higher spot because their 7-3 record has come against an easier schedule. Though Orton had made it known earlier in the year that he didn’t want to leave the Denver area, the Denver Post notes that his agent started talks with the Bears once Jay Cutler went down with a thumb injury.
Chicago is the one team Orton does want to join. With just $1.58 million remaining on his salary, though, another team could step in front of the Bears — if Chicago is even interested.
So, if the Bears were interested, Ortons agent must have thought so…that is if you can believe what we are being told.
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
but just how many QB's know that offense?
Whether it is true or not, Orton has been somewhat touted for being cerebral. Maybe they feel he has the best shot at picking up the offense in as quick as possible. Either way, he has game experience, which is more than anybody left on the Bears’ roster.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
This seems like a business decision more than an endorsement of Tebow.
The team obviously decided Orton would not be re-signed in the off-season and saw the opportunity to save $2.5 mil. They also make a good gesture by releasing a player that will get a chance to play somewhere else. The team should be active in free agency next year and needs all the brownie points they can get.
- The only downside is if Orton resurrects the Chiefs playoff hopes. They have the waiver priority and desperately need a QB to keep pace in the division.
Orton resurrects the Chefs playoff hopes? I got a good chuckle out of that.
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Right there with you guys
Palko looked about as good as Orton last night, Orton wouldn’t be an upgrade.
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Its easy to only remember Orton's bad games.
But the guy can still throw the ball.
Palko looked like a high school QB last night. Adam Weber would be an upgrade.
Oh yes
Palko amassed sexy-looking stats, but turned the ball over 3 times, sounds like KO to me
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Its a loooong shot...
… so worth the risk in my opinion. Every team in the AFC west has a shot at the division crown, although the chiefs are the weakest team.
I just wish the Broncos decided they weren’t going to re-sign Orton before the trading deadline.
No team even made Denver an offer of a 7th round pick or backup dime DB for Orton.
It didn’t matter.
For the record, no one wanted Royal either.
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Good for kyle's career.
i have nothing against kyle, i hope he finds the team that will use him for good. Our FO is like Timmy – Unpredicatable!
What will happen to the “Orton Package”? :)
In a world where only the strong survives... we just double our strength.
Orton package - you mean
The 3rd down play where the QB sees a blitz and quickly throws the ball out of bounds to avoid the sack? I think Tebow does this play almost as well as Kyle.
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by McGeorge on Nov 22, 2011 4:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Orton Package :)
Maybe a Quinn Package as well? hehehe!
In a world where only the strong survives... we just double our strength.
if Orton had a package
he wouldn’t have been such a wussy and gone in the fetal position in so many instances on 3rd down, hey-o!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
LMAO...No Joke!
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
It's true, this man has no
package!
Gotta love Ghostbusters!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Who ya gonna call!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 5:32 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
LOVED Ghostbusters!
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
If Orton had a package......he would have dropped it in the red zone.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 23, 2011 7:55 AM MST up reply actions
HAHAHA
This is what I will remember of Kyle Orton – -he was the master of the Throwaway…I’m not sure I’ve seen Tebow intentionally throw it away yet (although he came close the stands a couple times now…accidentally!)
if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all. - -Shakespeare
wow
The Texans are not interested and the Bears want him to backup Hanie per Rotoworld. I’m not a huge Orton fan, but Matt Leinart and Hanie are not very good, are they?
i keep dancing on my own.
Lets you know what the NFL GMs think of Kyle Orton.
I still think Houston signs him.
Tim Tebow's career record is 5-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER! He is an embarrassment to the NFL! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Hanie's pretty good!
He brought the Bears back in last years NFC ch game. I think he’s on a lot of teams radar. I’m expecting him to do pretty well against the raiders this week.
Well
Oakland will give the Bears a chance to win. That team is so gosh danged stupid
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:17 PM MST up reply actions
I think that
the bears will beat Choakland no matter who is the QB…Sorry Jay!
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Jury is still out on Leinart
Wisenhut hasnt really proven himself to be a QB guru. and Houston runs a very smiler Offense to what he succeeded in in USC. Plus he wont be asked to pass very much. I still think he goes 4-2 if not 5-1
Texans
would use him as a back up behind Yates…all the QB’s there know Gary Kubiacs system better than Kyle…lets face the facts that Kyle will always be a back up somewhere.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
2nd or 3rd string where ever he goes.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
Washington
is a piece of work…lol…Shanny is scrambling to try anything right now!
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by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
well to be honest if he could walk onto those teams with backups who have been in that system for months/years and start immediately it would make the front office and coaches look bad
Those teams for talent acquisition credibility have to at least give those guys one game to see what they can do or why else would you have them on the team at all.
It would be like if TIm got hurt and instead of playing Quinn one game we signed someone off the street and started him . It begs the question that why would you have him on the roster in the first place if you didnt believe in him enough to start him one game .
Absolutely right.
I can’t see Orton as anything but insurance for any team this late in the season.
It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.
by metalman5050 on Nov 22, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
could we be doing this specifically tp screw the raiders with da bearss comin'
i know martz’ offenses ain’t easy, but doesn’t kyle still know the players? i don’t know hanie well, could an orton and three days practice seem a better option than what they have?
"I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different."
— Kurt Vonnegut
waiver
If Chicago is 30th, why would they even put in a claim? Unless they’re really concerned that Green Bay would pick him up or something. If Orton wants to come to Chicago, don’t put in a claim. Either you lose him to a team earlier in waiver order anyway, or you’ve got the upper hand in free agent negotiations.
This is what I suspect will happen from the Bear's standpoint
Let him pass through waivers then sign him for a cool million instead of the full $2.5
Clearly this was a move to show Cowher that he is an idiot
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
I"m all for that
his Steelers crush on the NFL Today gets nauseating, he isn’t the clearest-talking fellow in the world either (this on a show that also features Shannon Sharpe)
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 5:20 PM MST up reply actions
This is so damn sweet!
I was dreading the possibility that Orton would show his face again in the starting lineup. A Tebow injury, or a couple of bad games, and the knee jerk response could have been to go back to the old stand by.
Kudos to EFX – - We will NEVER see Orton in a Broncos jersey again. Combine his pathetic QB performances with McD’s inept drafting, and you get 4-12 – - So glad to love EVERY player on the Broncos again – - There was a time earlier this year where I watched RedZone most of the game because I couldn’t stand to watch us suck so bad – - since Orton hit the bench, I haven’t missed a snap – - and I don’t care a lick how Tebow turns out…all that matters is Orton is gone – -couldn’t be happier. This made my day!
if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all. - -Shakespeare
the callers to the Dave Logan Radio show
echo your sentiments
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 5:13 PM MST up reply actions
you do realize that McD's "inept" drafting is what got us Tebow, don't you?
Win the individual battles at the LOS - all else flows from that.
by DE_BroncoFan on Nov 23, 2011 7:06 AM MST up reply actions
McSquander could have picked Tebow up with a late second or even a third. Just a kid in a candy store.
I agree, Larsen shouldn’t get any bigger. I am getting tired of his bone crushing hits knocking the pixels off my TV, once they fall to the floor they are very hard to find.
by Arctic Bronco on Nov 23, 2011 7:59 AM MST up reply actions
McDaniels and Tebow
is like the broken clock analogy, except I defy anyone to prove whether McDaniels was right even twice a day, he shamed us with the cheating scandal. a trained monkey could have picked Tebow
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 23, 2011 9:54 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Buffallo was taking Tebow at 26
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Id argue that he could have had Tebow with the 22nd and waited til the 2nd for bey bey
Im sure a raw, injured WR wouldnt have gone that quick
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yes...I know mcd picked Tebow -
as I stated, I don’t have some sort of allegiance to Tebow. Rather, I am thrilled beyond my dreams that Orton is done. Tebow is a sidebar. McD is a sidebar. Orton was the darkest of Bronco eras. And that era is over. I stand by my enthusiasm from yesterday.
And I’ll point out that this lousy defense, lousy running game, lousy team…won the same amount of games in the last 5 weeks as they did the previous 20. Maybe those people saying the QB was the problem were right…maybe the replacement QB is irrelevant.
if it be not now, yet it will come: the readiness is all. - -Shakespeare
And that was really a "fail," too
A team in desperate need of defensive help spends a 1st round pick on a project QB. How is that a smart pick?
Dan Fouts
is doing the Broncos-Chargers game with Ian Eagle. Other than when he does Chargers games, I think Fouts is excellent, guess we’ll have to put up with a cheerleader in the booth. However, if we pull out the win, who cares!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 22, 2011 4:52 PM MST reply actions
Thanks for that bit of information
Might have to watch the game in SAP now!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
This is a classy move
Try not to read too much into it. Orton will land somewhere by tomorrow afternoon and my head hurts enough already to speculate where and it really doesn’t matter.
Thank you for your service, Kyle. I can’t truly say I will miss you, but you wore my colors and you were a good teamate. Good luck wherever you land!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
by CH74 on Nov 22, 2011 5:01 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Indeed. It creates a good repuation for the broncos.
The broncos save some money and Orton doesn’t have to just sit there.
by tiderfootball09 on Nov 23, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
Can we go back to talking about Tebow now? :)
"All we're trying to do is win a mf'ing game!!!"
by PosterNutbag on Nov 22, 2011 5:44 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
LOL
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
WHAAA WHAAA WHAAAA!!!!
I will never follow this team again….. wherever Neck Beard goes, I follow closely behind. What a sad day in Denver. LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
by PaleHorse78 on Nov 22, 2011 6:33 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
We could bring Weber up, or...
"I get sick when I hear athletes say, 'I'm not a role model.' Yes, you are. You're just not a very good one." - Tim Tebow
#14 is the coolest QB number!
even though Dan Fouts was a scummy Charger, Andy Dalton rocks it well, Fitzpatrick, Kenny Anderson
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 23, 2011 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
We all realize that Tebow is now 4-1 starting this year for a team that last year was the 2nd worst in the league?
Kyle Orton did his best, but he was not our future. Wish him best in all the games he never plays against us.
We get to see if Tebow can continue to win or improve.
It's actuall pretty funny
“Bill Cowher said you should make passing packages for Orton what do you think”
Elway: “it’s interesting and we’ll look at it.”
minutes later
“Hey Orton, you’re cut.”
Excuse me, do these effectively hide my thunder?
by T.Dot_Bronco on Nov 22, 2011 8:17 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
thats so you T Dot...short and sweet may man...and funny as hell.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
No kidding!!
Dude, when he said that I about fell out of my chair. So did Sharpe. Apparantly EFX didn’t agree with that assessment..
I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar
by timmaybronco on Nov 23, 2011 12:24 AM MST up reply actions
So
Peyton Manning, Jay Cutler, Matt Cassell, Matt Schaub, Jason Campbell, Kerry Collins and Chad Henne gone for the season and Daunte Culpepper is still sitting on the coach?
by Guess Who's Back? on Nov 22, 2011 8:39 PM MST reply actions
Yeah Culpepper and JaMarcus Russell ..heh,heh
I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar
by timmaybronco on Nov 23, 2011 12:20 AM MST up reply actions
The FO was just being nice
We could have WAITED for someone to “court” Orton and gotten a draft pick, but no one probably wanted to give up a draft pick for someone who is filling in for half a year.
Orton probably wanted released cause no one wanted to give up anything, so EFX decided to be NICE and just release him.
Trade deadline gone
No more getting picks this year for Orton unless they were supplemental picks.
When you are offered $2.5M for something of no value to you, letting it go is not being "nice"
It’s called being “smart.”
So long Kyle
Oh happy day! Oh happy day…
How do you spell television ratings? T-E-B-O-W. At least more Bronco games will likely be on national broadcast.
Very happy day! Good to see him go. Not to mean or anything..
I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar
i think tim tebow could be as great a linebacker as brian urlacher if he played that position.
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
G'luck wherever you end up KO.
When it was Orton; it was his fault. Now that it's Tebow; it's everyone elses fault.
"Kyle Orton give us our best chance to win."
-John Fox
He should have been traded BEFORE the season started, and Tebow should have been the starter from day one. My gut tells me then we are better than 5-5 and possibly in first place alone. All we’ve been doing is cleaning up the mess that Fox / Orton made since Tebow took over. There never should have been a mess in the first place.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
THIS.........^
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
C'mon.
I love Tim and wanted to see him before TC. But let’s be honest. If you were the HC and you saw Tim playing in practice like he did in the Miami game, are you giving him the keys to the franchise? Fox did what had to be done at the time. With no time and Free Agency running rampant, he went with the guy that looked the best (by far) in the limited action that he could see.
Fair enough,
but isn’t the bigger picture more important here? We all knew Orton was NOT the long term answer. Why delay the inevitable? I stand by my statements, but thanks for the reply.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
Orton ...
Not sure where he will go but Texas is ahead of Bears in waiver order….they are headed to the play-offs and doing his play/action with Foster would be effective.
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