From the Outside Looking In

you’re on fire today ;) I have thought Elway’s comments to be pretty generic and basically true all along. I have heard plenty of pro statements from him to believe he is willing to work with our QB to make him the best he can be.

I’m so weary of the media trying to divine the intentions of Elway, so obviously to drive ratings and fodder to fill hours of airtime. As for the fans, it baffles my why people can’t just let the situation play out. All the man really said was that Tim needs to improve on 3rd down. He does.

I like your idea of bringing in a mentor for Tim, but I think I’d probably take a guy like … the name escapes me — that dude who mentored Roethlisperger on his passing game…?

If Elway is spending his Saturday nights in Waco Texas watching Oklahoma vs Baylor two days after the Jets win… you know what he thinks about Tebow.

Several of the worst teams in the NFL have already drafted their QB of the future at the last draft. Me thinks teams like Carolina, St Louis, Jacksonville and Minnesota will be willing to deal down and out of the Top 7ish picks they will have.

Will Elway be willing to trade up? If he is watching Baylor vs Oklahoma in Waco…

I wasn’t born yesterday.

I dont know how I woud feel if my boss just kept telling everyone that i sucked, that I was a good person, but sucked at my job. John Elways sucked when he began his career but doesnt realize that TIm has to go through that same right of passage. John Elway is a Legend and always will be, however he was not infallible as a player and he is still learning how to be an executive of a football team. I wouldnt not want to work for anyone that praised me one minute and threw me down a razor blade sliding board the next.

both your options imply that Tebow is the long term answer and John is on record saying he can’t say that yet. The third or fourth options would not include Tebow as the long-term starting QB for the Denver Broncos. Those options are still on the table.

There is no way that Elway and the Broncos should be saying (lying) that Tim Tebow is the QB of the future for this team. The FO and coaching staff know that you need a well rounded QB to succeed for the long haul in the NFL so they have taken a wait and see approach with the team and that postion and I can’t blame them.

I think that some folks are actually freaking out that the FO and coaching staff aren’t blindly kissing Tebows back side right now. That too is refreshing.

It’s a multimillion dollar organization that Fox and Elway are running here so I have no problem with them watching a college game, scouting, keeping their options open, preparing for what ever is thrown at them and doing what ever is necessary to rebuild this broken and shamed franchise.

It’s not like Andy Dalton, Calib Hanie, Sam Bradford (pre McDaniels) or Matt Stafford are under center for the Broncos right now.

“A razor blade sliding board”? I can’t get over this type of gibberish.

I’m very happy that he’s working for the organization and i have a good feeling about him building a winner here. However, Elway going public every week about what he thinks of his QB shouldn’t be happening. I understand as fans we want to have him share his opinions, and so do the Sports shows as thats how they make their money.

Tebow’s whole career he’s stated how being told he couldn’t do something made him want it more and work harder(e.g. not being a QB in high school, not being able to get a D1 scholarship, not being able to win the National Title, not being able to be a 1st round draft pick, not being able to be an NFL QB) …..so have Fox/Elway/etc been playing this all year long? Are they trying to force Tebow not to take things for granted, keep him motivated, and keep improving? Is this a mind game they are playing?

What did Elway say when he first took over the job? He said he wants to build a winner through the draft, just like other successful teams.

NOW, how many of these successful teams, like Green Bay, Pittsburgh, New England, etc, send out their GM or VP to tell America what their inner most feelings about individual players? Please someone answer me this, because i’m waiting.

I dont even know who the GM or VP for these teams are, i’d have to go and look it up

I think Elway is just being honest. Tebow has shown us that he is a gamer, capable of winning games in an unconventional fashion, but we aleady knew that. In two of his wins, the Miami and Jets games, he also “treated” us to about the worst displays of offensive football we’ve seen from the orange and blue in Bronco history for 55 minutes in each. In order for him to have long-term success, he still needs to learn how to throw the football. Unless we really build an unconventional pro offense around his strengths, in which case we’ll need at least two backups with similar skill sets, because there is no way this offense keeps a QB healthy at the pro level.

There’s a strategic reason why successful teams keep their opinions private and don’t air dirty laundry out in public. It’s not because they’re unfriendly or unsocial, it’s not because they don’t care if they’re popular!!!! Its because they want to go about their business with as little fanfare as possible, its so they don’t stir controversy.

Everyone is the country is talking about us, everyone, now is not the time to add fuel to the fire. The twitting thing is ok with me, its friendly, not much info in it to make people think one way or another. It’s kind of like a "GOOD MORNING FANS, I SEE YOU, I HEAR YOU, LETS WIN SOME GAMES, BLAH BLAH BLAH. This isn’t a bad thing, but dont keep raising doubt on your starting QB, even if that’s what your thinking. If he feels that way, then fine, go about it in a quiet manner, and please oh please don’t bring up doubts after such an exhilarating win. Throw us a bone, let us enjoy it without handing the ANTI-TEBOW NATION something else to talk about.

That is the real Elway, with his fellow insiders, unconcerned about his image to the public. Elway is candid as well, so any critiquing of Tim Tebow shouldn’t be seen as a vote of no confidence by the fans, but rather an honest assessment of where the young quarterback is.

But, at the same time, we fans must realize that John Elway nor John Fox drafted this kid McDaniels did. Their loyalty only goes as far as the roster spot Tim is taking up at the moment…Elway has made it very clear that Tebow (or whoever is under center for the Broncos) must become a proficient pocket passer. I don’t think he was merely blowing smoke up the medias microphone, that’s the Broncos’ plan going forward into the future. Now, what has thrown a wrench into the Tebow mess is that the Broncos are winning, let them slide and the focus on a prototypical passer will be shoved squarely and forcefully back to the front burner. I sincerely hope that Timmie get’s it because after all, he does have IT in so many different ways. It would be asshame to lose the opportunity to let Tebow and the Broncos win Championships, but I realize what they want anjd what I want as a fan are two different things…Go Tebow and get it done young man while your time is now, because who knows what tomorrow will bring?

:-) sorry Tim, i know i wasn’t too clear, i type faster than i think.
I said that to point out my last statement about him suffocating and that he can’t take it anymore, that’s pretty much what he said when he had his feud with Reeves back in 1990 i believe.

I think he is looking at the overal effectiveness of Tebow and can he grow in this offense. My thought is that if McCoy and Tebow can continue to show ne wrinkles to the offense and that Tebow can be more effective passing the ball out of this offense, then I am sure Elway will allow Tebow another season in this to show improvement. The fact that he may be scouting other QB’s is Elway covering his bases so to speak, if Tebow does not show improvement in being able to effectively pass the ball and starts losing, then I think John understands that he will need to go another way with the QB position and he needs to look at QB’s next draft.

But here is the thing, everyone is assuming all these guys come out next year, Barkley may stay another season, so may alot of the other top rated guys, so scouting them now and lets say Tebow shows enough the rest of the season and Elway says fine, we are all in for next year, and Tebow regresses next season, well, Elway already will have spent some time scouting these guys and have a better feel for them in 2013 draft.

I don’t think there is any judgement of Elway one way or another with Tebow at this point, I think he is in the same boat as everyone else that is a Broncos fan. You cannot take away the “it” factor Tebow possesses, but we don’t know at this point if he can become a good enough QB to play week in and week out and take this team to the playoffs and SB. We know his current shortcommings but underestimating the kid at this point would be foolish, let him play out the rest of the season and see how he does. There is still plenty of time for evaluation. And if they make the playoffs, I don’t think there is anyway Elway would not allow Tebow another year as a starter. I would say if they go at least 0.500, they would still go with him as the starter next season. I also think Elway wants Tebow to show he can develop, because, outside of Luck and probably Barkley, there is no sure thing at QB coming out. And Elway knows that.

“Chef” Elway does not seem to concur with Pat Bowlen on whether Tebow should stick around a while.

years. Run, Run, Run Throw….keep it close and create in the 4th quarter.

As a non-important side note, I believe Elway’s relationship with Reeves, right now, is probably better than his relationship with Shanny.

Say that Elway privately believes in Tebow 100%, but doesn’t want to appear that way publicly.

Just a thought experiment. Why would Elway want to put across the impression that he isn’t sold on Tebow, when he is? What kind of leverage does this give him?

I guess what it does it put in other teams minds that the Broncos might be a player for finding quarterbacks in the draft. Which would increase their draft value, which might make other very good players at other positions more likely to fall down to where Denver wants to draft them.

That’s the only possibility I can think of, though.

Also, can I just point out that this whole “Tebow isn’t Elway’s guy!” thing is crap? If you truly believe that an exec is going to be more partial to dumping a guy just out of spite for not drafting him, then it means you believe he’s a bad executive. The only way to get ahead is to wring everything you can out of the talent you have, because the constrained resource in the NFL is talent. Not money, not scheme, but talent. Sorry, I just happen to believe Elway is a smarter executive than that. They’re going to try and figure out how to get the most effective value out of Tebow.

and not undermine what Fox needs to do as the coach. He needs to be careful not to build up TT so much that it makes it more difficult for Fox to make hard QB personnel decisions if he should ever need to…. he also should be cautious about tearing TT down in case Fox really loves TT and wants to coach him up. I’m sure John wants to make sure he lets his coaches coach and wants to do everything in his power to set them up for success. He is not a coach and has to make sure he doesn’t step on peoples toes. Remember how much we laughed at the Faiders because of Al Davis meddling with his coaches and their decisions? This is also why I believe John has no business acting as a personal QB coach for TT as some have suggested. Heck, we don’t even know if he can coach! Great players very seldom make good coaches.

it’s probably best to think, “Much Ado About Nothing.” [I’m talking about the hoopla ever since Elway said what he said on that radio show, not about your posts.]

With all we know about the MSM these days, and seeing leading questions asked of Tebow from the NFL Network crew (Eisen, and Sanders, and Mooch, and Faulk, and Irvin) immediately after Thursday night’s win over the Jets, we should all know by now that it’s all about stirring the pot…for headlines, for ratings, for the next news or sports story, and for just generally trying to find a controversy where there is none.

Tim I think you are the hardest working staffer at MHR. It seems like anytime an opinion is needed on anything that happens with the Broncos, you are there with another hard hitting article. Or hard missing :). Keep up the workrate man. Yeah Elway seems to be trying rrrreeeeeaaaalll hard to not be perceived as the head cheerleader of the Broncos. My take is he is trying his best to take as little attention from the team as possible onto himself. He knows damn well that his celebrity is quite big for a football VP, and he needs to make sure from a professional standpoint that he is perceived as a man who deserves his title. In pro sports, one never knows how long they will have their job for and theyy must be able to market themself for other possible work at all times. It sucks to think of it like that, but it comes with the territory.

Actions speak louder than words. So the 2012 NFL draft will tell the true story.

Who Cares?! Not that the post is BS, because it’s not. It’s the rehashing of what Elway should or shouldn’t do in HIS job.

I’m betting me some Tebow Wins that he could care less what JE says to the papers, or on his radio show!

The only peeps that any of it affects are the fans who have nothing better to do than fuss about things that they have no control over,and that many know nothing about! Pure conjecture!

I can’t wait for each new game so that we can just let the play show us something new. What the Management does is their baby, and nothing we say is going to change what they do. Believe it or not, the Billboard in Denver is NOT why TT is now under center!

Everybody seems to forget the only thing Elway wants to do is win a world championship. All other considerations are secondary, including the possibility of pissing off Tebow’s many acolytes.

Why is that so difficult to understand? We can disagree about particular decisions or comments he makes about this player or that player, but NOBODY should question Elway’s motives. Also know that EVERY player is expendable, bench-able or trade-able.

haha. Elway is really good at keeping the public in the dark about what he really thinks. It is driving me crazy though.

See you in december neckbeard

I won’t have my mind made up on Tebow until he gets a full offseason and gets to come back to training camp next year and compete again for the starting role.

Honestly, I’m still quite puzzled that Tebow throws this badly. Watched him play whole career at Florida, and I think that he was most impressive as a passer, even though occassionally you’d seen a ball lacking zip. I just don’t think he is as bad as we’ve seen. He can throw.