Jake Plummer, Wise Man: Former Broncos Quarterback Sends A Wake Up Call
by John Bena on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM MST
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Lost in all the hoopla of the back and forth between former Denver Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer and current Broncos starter Tim Tebow was something that really struck home, with me at least. Plummer was a guest on the Vic and Gary Show last week.
After being asked about his back and forth with Tebow, the guys asked Jake if he thought the current Broncos offense could last. After waxing poetic about how good the team was when he was in Denver - yes, Plummer is clearly still bitter about the way things in Denver ended - he gave us this nugget of wisdom, emphasis mine:
"I think all in all what it’s about in the NFL is winning. It’s not about winning for 10 years from now. It is not about building a dynasty or building a Super Bowl contender year in and year out. It’s about winning this next week. That’s all the fans should worry about really and I think they should be happy to see they are doing whatever they can there and they got a kid that really if the ball is in his hands and there is a decisive moment in a game he is going to make plays. He’s proven that already. He might not throw a 30-yard seam route for a touchdown, but he might run it 30 yards and up the seam and dodge a bunch of people. Either way it is exciting. You are excited about it. You are wondering what is going to happen and that’s gotta be fun for the fans there I would hope."
Ya know, Jake is absolutely right and many of us, including myself, get caught up in what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month or next year instead of focusing on the here and now.
The Denver Broncos are 6-5 and in a lot of ways have the inside track to a playoff spot no one thought they could achieve just six weeks ago. We should ENJOY that! Many people focus on what Tim Tebow CAN'T do, and what the offense ISN'T doing. Let's focus on what the Denver Broncos ARE doing, what the defense IS doing.
I know, for some, this is a no-brainer. I salute you. For me, however, and many others, I hope Plummer's comments hit home with you. It's John Elway's job to worry about the future. For John Fox, the coaches and the players, it's about winning games NOW. Not in 2012, 2013 or beyond. Let it be the same with us fans too.
We'll have plenty of time to talk about the NFL Draft when the season is over. For now, let's cheer as hard as we damn-well can for THIS Broncos team - with all it's flaws and limitations - as it continues to climb the AFC West mountain.
GO BRONCOS!
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Tebow
Primetime said the same thing about not worrying about the future and just enjoy it now
Football is a TEAM GAME!! One player doesn't win it for you, one player doesn't lose it for you....When it comes down to it, I just want to WIN!!
GO BRONCOS!!
Why hasn't Kubes called Plummer?
He has to be better then TJ Yates.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Plummers Rights
still held by Tampa Bay as far as I know.
If I can't have high expectations that succeed, I''d rather have high expectations and be disappointed than have low expectations and be resigned to losing.
by OrangeandBluesBros on Nov 29, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
His contract had to of expired by now. but i don't know.
I only found this on Wiki:
Though he had announced his retirement, he was still under contract to the Buccaneers, therefore Tampa Bay coach, Jon Gruden, met with Plummer to try to convince him to play in the 2007 season.48 The attempt was unsuccessful. As he did not show up for 2007 training camp, the Buccaneers sued for recovery of his signing bonus. A settlement was reached on June 10, 2008 requiring Plummer to pay back $3.5 million to the Buccaneers.9
So maybe he’s a FA?
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Because Plummer was very clear that he was done with the NFL
VERY clear. There is no one including Kubes that Plummer would come back to play for…and coaches I don’t think want him because they know he won’t put up with their BS in the least.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
well if Plummer ever did make a comeback now would be the time.
The texans are primed for a SB if they can get stable at QB.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
*In my best Madden impersonation*
You know who would make a good quarterback for the Texans? Brett Favre.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 6 recs
You know who can come up big in the win column? Jeff Garcia
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Looks like sir Jeff alreay claimed his prize!
" I'm blessed to be part of a team with very unselfish players who don't care about statistics, they just care about winning" - Tebow owning Michael Irvin when Irvin asked him "what do you say to your receivers after you throw a ball in the dirt and miss them".
I had the hugest crush on her in High School
Granted, most of my pictures of her were nudes, but still. I’d like to know how Jeff managed that feat – more impressive than any 4th quarter comeback I’ve ever seen.
6-3. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
by TheMorseFile on Nov 29, 2011 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
I guess she likes red heads.
Good for you Jeff. Good for you.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
Jeff has hair?
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
by Zac Man on Nov 29, 2011 4:00 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
No Jeff must just be hot to women.
he has given this ugly beesturd hope.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
Terrell Owens called him gay. If that’s gay I’M confused.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
Aint it great when a guy marries
a playmate? We can see her naked when ever we want. Thanks Google!
By the way, nice pie Mrs. Garcia!
I find it very amazing that the Tebow situatoin has drawn Plummer back to the NFL
In the book, A Few Seconds of Panic, he swore that when he was done, he would be done, and would go into hiding. Ready the SI article on him from about a year ago, he had done that up until now He didn’t turn into a sports castor, he didn’t hang around on the sidelines, call into radio shows, do local interviews, nothing. Now that Tebow is back, something has changed, and he is suddenly giving quotes on his opinion, etc.
by broncoboy326 on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 AM MST up reply actions
I think George Jung said it best:
“Life passes most people by while they’re making grand plans for it”
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
by postpunk27 on Nov 29, 2011 11:18 AM MST reply actions 6 recs
Totally agree.
My sig says it all. :D
There is only One Moment—this moment—the Eternal Moment of Now
by sirsam on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Great sig, I agree with that...
Mine had something to say, but as you can see,
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
by Fabio Broncos on Nov 29, 2011 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
I prefer...
Ferris Bueller myself – “Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.”
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by John Bena on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM MST reply actions 5 recs
Or from a John Lennon song...
Life is what happens while you make other plans.
Of all the things I've lost in my life, the thing I regret the most is my mind
by BroncoFan.mx on Nov 29, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
and this couldn't be more pertinent
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Or in the words of Doogie Howser
“You can either be right or you can be happy”
Lets be happy about the winning, and not worry about how unconventionally we are doing it :)
I really like Plummer... always did.
And I never understood how can people call sucker a man with that beard =)
This signature was sacked by Von Miller.
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Tangent: Did you all see Vic and Gary were fired....
…. and that the Ticket is going to air ESPN radio in the mornings instead of local sports talk.
Pretty frickin’ lame if you ask me. Surprising too considering Vic and Gary were getting national attention for their interviews of Elway.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
by margabelle on Nov 29, 2011 11:32 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
I heard that they were switching ot Mike and Mike at the end of the year.
But did they just get fired today?
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
here is the story..
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_19429461
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That really sucks
So many good interviews. Mike and Mike instead? Hell no.
I love Gary but Vic
I can do without. He has a lousy sense of humor. That being said, he is 100 times better than Shipiro who has resurfaced again and is just as bad and annoying as ever.
yet another reason to NEVER listen to Denver radio
unless it’s the Dave Logan Show or Broncos games on KOA
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 29, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
You would change your tune
If you were stuck listening to local Iowa radio.
Glad I have an awesome job.
Avalance 2011-12 season, Mission 45 Wins.
Get well soon Juan.
I liked their show, they were honest and most importantly LOCAL!!!
I hate Mike and Mike, I do not care to listen to national sports media, I live in Denver and want to listen to Denver sports talk, not a weenie man whine about the Jets. Lou from Littleton is a D*Bag and really crapped on his radio stations MO in favor of money.
On another note, Les Shapiro, Yes the world biggest Tebow hater said on the radio today that he believes if the Broncos continue at this pace that Tebow does deserve at least a whiff at MVP. Sounds to me like he is just spinning a safety net web in case Tebow takes off and keeps winning, which mind you in his eyes still warrants his trade and/or replacement… The guy is tough to listen to anymore.
"And on the 8th day, God created Tim Tebow. And He saw that it was good. And He said, "I can now retire. Go forth and make Touchdowns through Running and Passing."
-Harvey J. Neptune
Oh, that's messed up.
I don’t hear them a lot since i don’t live in Denver, however they are way better than listening to Mike and Mike.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
I would have have to agree whole heartedly with Jake.
And I say that we as loyal Bronco fans are the the only people that have a right to question our team and the direction in witch we are heading. I personaly stop anyone I know from talking about my team mainly becouse nobody I know has spilled tears and indured the downs I have in the past 26 years. So really its up to me not to listen to the Mike Florios and Merry Hodges as well.
by CenCalBronco on Nov 29, 2011 11:39 AM MST via mobile reply actions
It's always about winning and Jake isn't saying anything new...
The problem lies where this team was left at the end of last year, in shambles. So, let’s just say the UNeducated fan would demand this team to win and whine when they don’t…I’ll suffer yet through another rebuilding phase and give this group (EFX) a chance to show me the money! Show me the MONEY!
I will sum it up in two words
Von Miller
EFX got a lot of trash early for the draft and FA. We look to be reaping the benefits right now. Headed in a nice direction.
There are 15 teams
who would gladly trade places with you fans right at this moment, including the stud-talent laden, 100 million dollar all-pro QB leading, Dream Team Eagles.
Excuse me, I have to go drink now…
"Difficulties strengthen the mind, as labor does the body."
― Seneca
Yup, Im not complaining, thats for sure
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Hey, I'm on board.
But as the son of a coach, I can’t help but think about this in the same terms you hear Elway speak. It’s in my DNA. It’s impossible for me not to be constantly struck by the way most fans THINK things work, and the way they really DO work.
Wait...there are 52 OTHER guys on the team?!?!?
by TheMastermind on Nov 29, 2011 12:15 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Your signature sucks.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
by postpunk27 on Nov 29, 2011 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
The really good news is that Tebow will improve. He will. And he is already pretty good.
Tim Tebow is both our happy present and our future at QB. More and more of you will see this as the weeks become months. Elway too.
Take it from one Bronco fan that has been really bitter and angry since the 2007 season when things starting going sideways.
Be merry. The new day is just dawning.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
by McGeorge on Nov 29, 2011 12:16 PM MST reply actions 4 recs
It really is amazing
and quite refreshing to see you so upbeat, McG. You were already one of my favorite posters here, but now you’ve become my dealer for an Orange cocaine hit.
And in no way do I mean that as a bad thing.
6-3. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
by TheMorseFile on Nov 29, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with your sentiment.
When I first came to MHR, I thought McGeorge was a jerk. A total negative nancy (where did NN go anyways?). But he stuck to his guns and never got personal. Just gave his totally negative opinion and took a beating like a champ.
Through all that he earned my respect, and eventually he was proven right in most of his theories. I have to say I’m liking his more positive attitude lately. If he can find a way to be a ray of sunshine, something must be going right.
I do not look at things thru a positive or negative lens. I look at them thru a right and wrong lens. I hate relativists. Give me black and white.
McJedi was the wrong coach for Denver. He wasn’t any good and I wasn’t going to lie to myself and pretend he was just because I wanted Denver to be a winner. Same thing with Orton. He wasn’t good enough and wasn’t going to be…. EVER.
Tebow is better than Orton. Fox is better than McJedi. So it’s easier to have a more positive outlook when I can justify that outlook without having to lie to myself. I hate doing that. I won’t do that.
Our charted course is better now. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong about Tebow, but I don’t think so. He’ll be better next season and even better in 2013. He’ll be a better passer and a better leader. I think he can and will be a top 10 NFL QB in two years. Probably not top 5, but good enough. Better than guys like Flacco, Sanchize and Romo. As good as guys like Matt Ryan and Stafford. Orton didn’t have that upside and McJedi doesn’t have it either. Josh was just overrated at MHR as we are finding out a 2nd time with his fiasco in St Louis. He’s a fake. Poor Orton is just Ortonary.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
I do not look at things thru a positive or negative lens. I look at them thru a right and wrong lens. I hate relativists. Give me black and white.
Tebow is better than Orton. Fox is better than McJedi. So it’s easier to have a more positive outlook when I can justify that outlook without having to lie to myself. I hate doing that. I won’t do that.
I have to point out that you contradicted yourself, with better being a relativistic term and not an absolute term.
I also have to point out how impossible it is to make black/white comparisons between the performance of coaches and players in the NFL. There are too many variables. If you wanted to compare things scientifically, which I’m interpreting your statement of black/white to mean, you have to remove all the external variables on what you’re measuring. That is impossible by simply playing games. All you can make is relativistic claims based on inaccurate data. Being right about a statement or wrong about a statement is more about luck and popular perception than anything resembling fact.
I don’t believe you need science and stats to point out that Tebow and Fox are better than Orton and McJedi. I see it as very very clear.
Being right or wrong is just about being right or wrong. Fox > McJedi. This statement is right (not about luck or popular perception). Just the truth.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
I still don't know what McD drafted him for, or planned for him
Better than guys like Flacco, Sanchize and Romo. As good as guys like Matt Ryan and Stafford.
The jarring thing reading this is those guys are primarily pocket passers, not primarily a run option quarterback like Tebow. To me how these comparisons will eventually play out boil down to interesting questions: (1) Will more passing be added to his game? and (2) Will the run option ever be subtracted from his game?
by cosBroncosFan on Nov 30, 2011 3:14 AM MST up reply actions
I also beleive Tebow will improve.
And, if he does, that means the FO is likely not to spend high draft picks on QB when we have other needs. It will be very
interesting to see whether they draft or sign FAs in a manner that suggets this run-heavy option style offense is a long term feature. I think this is going to be one of the mos interesting off-seasons we have had yet….if we can put up with all the arguing.
If this is the case
and we do go forward with a run-heavy offense (which honestly kind of bothers me but I’ll get into that in a second), then I want to draft a stud, impact RB – Trent Richardson. Being a Texas guy, it hurts to promote Tide RB, but the guy is legit and would team up beautifully (he can catch the ball, too) with Tebow. That is, of course, under the circumstance that no impact-defenders fall to our pick and that he is still available (trading up for him could be worth it).
Even so, I don’t know if I like going forward with a run-heavy offense as long as it’s anywhere close to as unbalanced as it is now. Two reasons: first, the receivers will HATE playing for us. Sure, Decker is sucking it up and playing well. Royal is throwing some nice blocks down. But eventually, they’re going to realize how little their talents are used and stop trying. Next, I truly think, based on his improvements, that Tebow can be a very succesful passer IF HE GETS THE REPS. How can you expect him to be dead-on accurate on third downs when his arm is ice cold? Let him get into a groove, and see what kind of drive he can put up using his feet and arm.
You let Tebow throw more as he gets more game experience, practice reps and an off-season as the #1 QB.
You can’t forget that we wasted our entire TC on Orton. That hurt the team and it hurt Tebow. Apparently, it didn’t help Orton either.
When Fox took Franklin and signed McGahee, that was a sign we were going to be a running team. We won’t be close to high enough to draft Richardson, but I bet we take an RB early.
And who cares if WRs don’t want to sign in Denver. Eddie Royal sucks anyway. RBs will want to be in Denver and so will O-linemen. Ever think of that? The cause and effect of a running game? We can use the draft to find WRs and UFA to add RB and O-line depth.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
by McGeorge on Nov 29, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed.
I do hope the ultimate goal is to become a balanced team on offense, because I think Tebow gives us that ability. Is that unrealistic?
If Tebow can continue to make the same throws he did against SD
I don’t see why they wouldn’t carefully ramp up his attempts.
"I'll always use the negativity as more motivation to work even harder and become even stronger."
August 4, 2011
Most of the NFL is not balanced. Too many pass first teams. I like being the different team because it makes us hard to prepare for. Teams are trying like crazy to find speed pass rushers to get after QBs.
Tebow finds those smaller speed rushers, aims for them and runs thru their arm tackles.
One reason teams have a hard time with our running game is that they’ve been drafting to stop the passing game for several years now. Their talent is incorrect to stop our game plan.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
That's what I'm saying.
Run Broncos! Run!
"We make a living by what we get, but we make a life by what we give." -Winston Churchill
One thought keeps creeping up
I am sure Tim’s lack of experience limits us in the passing game, and we all agree that he has thrown some ugly ones. I am sure McCoy has reservations about having Tim sling it around a lot. However, I have seen improvement every week. We have seen Tim make just about every throw at one point or another and he is getting way more consistent (just what you would expect with repetition). What we also see are a lot of dropped passes. Perhaps part of reluctance to put the ball in the air has to do with the other end. It may not all be on Tim’s arm. What good does it do to throw a bullet to a wide open reciever to watch him put it on the ground AGAIN (Yes, that means you Eddie). We have young talent in a lot of places and inconsistency is to be expected, so it is not the worst idea to be somewhat conservative about it.
Yes. The other end of the QB to WR pass important. Let’s ask a simple question, which player is better. McGahee or Royal. The answer is clear. It’s Willis. He is having a much better season and better career than Royal. So why throw a bunch of passes to Eddie instead of giving the ball to McGahee. And don’t get me started on DT or J Thomas.
You want the ball in the hands of your best players, not your worst. Our best players are primarily running threats. Our blockers our better at run block than pass block (save Walton).
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you.
Amen to that Bro, My sentiments exactly
Elway will come around… He is taking baby steps towards Tebow’ing
Just like you would want from a high level exec
Careful, thoughtful consideration based on the evidence available. I do not know why everyone wants John to crown Tim the Eternal QB of the Broncos. Tim is under contract and there is no rush. Why not wait and see. I have no doubt Tim will continue to improve, but why commit publicly before you have to. Truth be told, if Elway were to publicly throw in behind Tim and Tim were to struggle, it would mean very little. Tim has EARNED a shot next year, IMO, but that could be short lived if the unthinkable happens. Remember that Bowlen told us Shanny would be the coach until he wanted to leave. Well, it turns out that a few mediocre seasons take the luster off of a couple Lombardis. Committing means nothing in the NFL. The more Tim wins, the longer his rope will be, but it is still a short rope and will be short for a long time. Guys like Rivers have earned their long rope over the course of many seasons. However, another season like this one and even Rivers (whom many called an elite top 5 QB at the beginning of the year) will be on a short leash.
Bottom line, Tim needs to improve each week from now until he retires. He will earn his position, I have no doubts.
If Jake won't go to H-Town
and help the Texans out, then he really is finished with theNFL
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 29, 2011 12:21 PM MST reply actions
He said in that interview that his back was injured...
… and that he had to dial back his handball because of it . If he can’t play handball, he can’t throw a ball.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
so he and Philip Rivers have something in common!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 29, 2011 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Tebow
Tebow is a winner. What more does anyone want? I guarantee you Denver fans are happy. I love watching him play.
http://www.whatthehellbook.com/the-book/
by Jackson Baer on Nov 29, 2011 1:24 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know how to do links but there is an awsome write up on Tebow at Si.com. check it out.
by CenCalBronco on Nov 29, 2011 1:30 PM MST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
This?
(Highlight the text in your comment that you want folks to click on, then click the little “chain/link icon” among the editor commands. It will pop a little box where you can paste in the link.)
by MakeCents on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
that's the one. thanks MC my puter knowledge has been slim to none.
by CenCalBronco on Nov 29, 2011 1:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Great article
“he simply outplays the other team’s QB.”
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
wow, that's a lot of info! I even saw my bank pin # in there!
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by rubincarterrocks on Nov 29, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
THIS may be one of the most important articles yet regarding the arguments that plague MHR today.
I wish we could have this particular article as required reading before anybody posts anything else about Tebow or lukc in winning games, etc. For the stat freaks (and I mean that admiringly), this RQB rating has the best correlation with winning I have seen. Anybody else see anything higher?
It's the most accurate correlation to winning I've seen.
It still won’t slow the anti-Tebow crowd down but the evidence is irrefutable. The only table that is skewed is the scores per touches due to the red zone package from last year. However, there’s just no way to rationally argue that in 5 of 6 games Tim has outplayed the other teams QB by a significant margin.
" I'm blessed to be part of a team with very unselfish players who don't care about statistics, they just care about winning" - Tebow owning Michael Irvin when Irvin asked him "what do you say to your receivers after you throw a ball in the dirt and miss them".
Yup
A lotta folks tend to take life for granted, a lot of the time. Some folks take virtually their entire lives for granted. All of it.
Anyway, one time when I was tripping (many moons ago, please forgive the phrase and the fact that I partook, but it happened, man… what can I say) – my mind came up with the phrase “This little corner in time”. I always try to remember every moment like that, a little corner in time. Some moments, (Like SB XXXII and XXXIII) are much bigger and brighter corners than others, but just the same, no corner should be taken for granted.
Thanks for the post and point(s) Mr. Bena! Go Broncos!!!!
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 29, 2011 1:47 PM MST reply actions
everything makes us better for the experience
provided we live through it and apply the lessons gained from whatever it was we were doing!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 29, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions
Dude,
all I did from the ages of 17-19 was eat acid, and I attest that I wouldn’t be where I am today if not for those experiences. Never be ashamed of who you are.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
Not ashamed at all
Just had to apologize for referencing it here, for those who are/would be better off not reading things like that (i.e. some 15 year old, or some person who has no common sense of their own, etc.). I care too much most the time, and overanalyze pretty much everything, which is why I tend to word stuff here, way too carefully, or omit things I really shouldn’t on account of trying not to effect other’s lives/perceptions in a negative fashion.
Yeah, I definitely care way too much about some things. I do appreciate the sentiment, because no one should have to be ashamed of who they are, and some (most?) people don’t have open-enough minds to comprehend the fact, yes fact, that drugs can certainly benefit people’s lives. They do not necessarily have negative effect, unless/until abused and/or misused.
Funny thing about that is that football itself, either watching or playing, is a drug – by definition. It certainly alters my state of mind. And the same people that argue that it isn’t, are the ones who avidly feel that anyone who uses ‘drugs’ is a lesser person than themselves.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, NFL Power Rankings are out...
And they changed our name back to the Broncos. So…you know…anyone who jumped off the 16th Street Mall clock tower over it can, you know, not do that again.
Wait...there are 52 OTHER guys on the team?!?!?
if they jumped off, I doubt they will have the chance to do it again.
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Can you find the 'w' in this mess? Tebow can.
by Zac Man on Nov 29, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, and they have us ranked one spot below the Jets
Funny, I thought that was settled on a Thursday night not too long ago.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Nov 29, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
MSM darlings, much like all the other east coast teams.
East coast bias. Oh yes, it’s real.
Whatcha gonna do, brother, when Tebowmania runs wild on you!
Sanchez had a career day
Clearly by beating the spiralling Bills by a few points demonstrates that the Jets have improved a WHOLE LOT since the LOST to us! /sarcasm
Nice post John
I’ve been wondering if I was the only one who was getting a bit tired of reading or hearing all the negative things about our team and its future. It’s fine to dream and speculate on what might be “if only…”, but not at the expense of the joy that is currently available simply for the taking.
I am enjoying every exciting moment of this Tebow season, and I couldn’t care less what facial expression Elway wears, or how bad our QB is or how porous our D is. I’m instead watching every moment of every game, riding the emotional roller coaster every weekend, feeling that my Broncos are playing Denver Bronco ball and feeling proud to be a LONG time fan.
I love watching the MSM morons stutter and stammer as they try to choke down their crow entrees, each week appearing dumber than the week before. Isn’t this what we’ve all been waiting for since….damn it’s been a long time! After all, this is not war, this is not life and death, this is a game that is supposed to be entertaining. We should be rejoicing the fact that our Broncos are back, be it for a week or two, or a season, or a decade.
Like they say, “smoke’em if you got’em”, and damn if we don’t got’em good right now!
Of all the things I've lost in my life, the thing I regret the most is my mind
by BroncoFan.mx on Nov 29, 2011 1:56 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Plummer, although overall very positive about Tebow's play and him personally
thought he might be taking the religion thing a bit far. “We know you believe in God and all but do we need to see it every time…..”
When asked about his comment Tebow responded that “having a relationship with Him is something one lives…, not just on Sunday.” Adding, “do you tell your wife that you love her only on the day you were married?”
I wasn’t in on or tape the interview so those are paraphrases of what I read,
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Thanks for the article John
Gaff and Lloyd both worked with TT in the off season. It would be nice if we still had one of them.
Plummer wise man?
Plummer has a few things going for him that I admire, but I’d not call him a wise man. In fact, he was a bit of a hot head. Even this interview of his is more jumpy than wise.
You nailed it, Guru . . .
Thanks for this post. More than once you’ve helped to keep me balanced.
BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
Amen.
Now let’s stop worrying and love the bomb. Because these Broncos are the BOMB.
People fear the Tebow because they do not understand the Tebow.
Bronco fan and part-time tweetererer-er @broncosmontana.
by broncosmontana on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 PM MST reply actions
Good stuff!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
McCoy can't pass on first down....his play-calls are hurting this team!
Couldn't agree more with this
The more and more I learn about my favourite NFL team, the more and more i see a resemblance in my favourite NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. The leafs used to be the laughing stock of the league because of its mediocrity on the ice. Only now have they been able to become a strong force in the league and gain back the respect they deserve.
Fans of both teams just want to win so bad that they get ahead of themselves, instead of “living” in the moment and enjoying wins that no one, including most us, expected. The Broncos are one hella of a football team. Forget whatever is saying just look at some of the most recent games.
We beat the NYJ. The Jets are “super bowl favourites” and Denver beat them. We beat the chargers, the same chargers who seem to have been been winning this division for a while now. I remember quite clearly they have had our number for a while. Tim Tebow might not be able to throw, but he sure as hell can run and im fun with that. He is an awesome quarterback and has a real bright future. So Denver fans, lets join together and enjoy the wins that this team has strong together, wins that nobody expected, expect may us. With Tebow at the helm, and super start players like Von Miller, we are going to be a team to be reckon with very soon.
Exactly what Ive been saying for the last 3 weeks!
Enjoy it now…. Isnt it FUN!
About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969
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