Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 11/4/11
by Tim Lynch on Nov 4, 2011 9:13 AM MDT
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Second!
Thanks for the tracks, I was getting worried for a minute.
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 4, 2011 9:51 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
So if Tebow struggles this weekend does it mean its the end of the Tebow era as we know it?
I have a feeling EFX have Tebow on a short leash and won’t be to tolerant to his struggles…Letting tebow is plain to see to be a long term project and I’m not sure EFX real want to deal with it.
John Fox sounds exasperated with criticism
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/04/john-fox-sounds-exasperated-with-criticism/
Just two games into Tebow’s audition, Broncos coach John Fox already sounds frustrated with the debate surrounding his quarterback. More tellingly, Fox sounds frustrated with the blame Fox is taking for Tebow’s struggles.
"The goofy thing is, it’s almost like if he doesn’t have success it will be anybody’s fault but his. It’s almost that kind of polarizing thing," Fox told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times. "They’ll say it could be his supporting cast, or the type of plays.
"At the end of the day, we are what we are. We’re doing everything we can to win, and we’re finding out about a young quarterback, good, bad or indifferent."
that right there to me is an indicator that they will try to use Tebow as trade bait next year
get rid of the circus that is Tebow. As much as I love the kid and hope he thrives in the NFL – that quote is pretty telling from the coach.
Q: Where do you go in Miami in case of hurricane?
A: To Dolphin Stadium - they never get a touchdown there.
The problem is
that the circus that surrounds Tebow seriously reduces his trade value. Ordinarily, I’d say that Denver could maybe get a sixth, perhaps a fifth round pick for Tebow. However, no front office in it’s right mind wants to deal with the legion of blind fanatics (I’m talking in a football sense, not a religious sense.) that comes with him. This makes his trade value virtually zero.
While I understand you point......about the 'fear' factor
Yes, it would take a self confident coach and winning FO. If the public has seen him play poorly—- there won’t be the signs and Tebow jerseys in the stands if Tebow was on another team.
Many of the ‘blind fanatics’ had already witnessed Orton’s record so many Bronco fans wanted “to see at we have”. They were’nt then and aren’t now blind.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Obviously I’m not putting anyone who favored switching to Tebow from Orton in the “blind fanatic” category. I myself was in favor of the switch. Although I’ve always been a Tebow skeptic, I have hope that I’m wrong.
The people I’m putting in the blind fanatic catalog are the ones who blind themselves to the serious obstacles Tebow has to overcome to achieve success in the league. You know who I’m talking about: the ones who blame every difficulty Tebow encounters on the head coach, the offensive coordinator, the receivers, the offensive line, the front office, Elway, the defense, etc… Etc…. Suddenly, everyone but Tebow is the villain. I’ve even seen it suggested several times on these forums the Elway is intentionally sabotaging Tebow because he doesn’t want anyone to match his legacy as the greatest Broncos quarterback – as if Tebow was ever any threat to do that, or if Elway has ever shown himself to be that obscenely petty. These are the fanatics I’m talking about. They are all over, and they are a headache for the Broncos.
Not if he goes to a team that has a franchise QB in place
like the Pats, or ugh barf, the Chargers…
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
That is a good point
It is what would be best for Tebow as well. Tebow needs to sit for a few years and develop the skills that he should have learned in college. I’m not knocking Florida – it has long been a great college football program. But it has NEVER in the modern era (since the AFL/NFL merger) produced a quality starting NFL quarterback. The system they run requires a great athlete, not a great quarterback.
McDaniels did Tebow no favors by squandering all those picks to draft him in the first round, which increased the expectations placed upon him exponentially. Unfortunately, at this point Tebow simply doesn’t have the skill set required to meet those expectations.
Jeez
Fox and Elway need to stop bitching to the media and do their jobs.
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by Nick Cast on Nov 4, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Winning solves everything for sure
I can see where Fox is coming from, it’s a team effort in losses and wins
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 4, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
yes
but as a team the Broncos are terrible, pure and simple.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Fox comes off as whiny to me.
X > Tim Tebow
by McGeorge on Nov 4, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
IMO Fox has not manned up since day one
and always seems vey defensive. Might be his normal style --or maybe a result of his football record.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
A Fox projection of himself?
The goofy thing is, it’s almost like if he doesn’t have success it will be anybody’s fault but his. It’s almost that kind of polarizing thing," Fox told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times. "They’ll say it could be his supporting cast, or the type of plays.
Release the Tebow!
Don't look behind the curtain
It’s all Tebow’s fault.
Thanks for the Tracks Tim!
I can easily relate to Spano’s rant. Hopefully We’ll all be singing happy tunes, come Monday.
I seriously can’t help but wonder what fan reaction, and ‘fan’ reaction will be if We stomp the crap outta the Raiders…. Then the Chiefs. I’ll have just about the same reaction as any other time, which is to continue to root for my favorite team regardless. But hey, that’s why it’s good to get other folk’s perspectives. At least until said perspectives just become a poison to one’s own mind and being.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 4, 2011 2:22 PM MDT reply actions
If Tebow sits at 3-1 in 17 days time. The world might end and Tim will be pronounced the Super Bowl MVP.
X > Tim Tebow
Who would be the harbinger
if that were the case? xD
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 4, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I hope the broncos don't fall into the "We must take a QB trap"
Obviously if you can get Luck you take him. Are we sure these other QBs are really that good? Elway talks about the need for an elite QB and no one disagrees. Some of the elite QBs were either taken in the second round, low first round or middle first round. Yes some were taking high, but look how many high picks have not worked out.
I think you have to be very careful with a high QB pick. If you miss, you set the franchise back years as you inevitably give a high 1st round pick 3 years before you move on. I would be happier if the Broncos used high picks to cement other positions and tried to pick up a Dalton, Briese or Rogers and let them prove themselves.
seens like the fans---and Elway---are already in that mindset Key.
Sam Bradford’s team is not winning. Maybe he’s a bust? There isn’t a person alive who’d say that.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Sorry Boiler
Simply search ‘Bradford bust’ and you will find many who have said it. Denver isn’t the only town with unrealistic expectations.
"Ready are you? What know you of ready?"
Yoda
Boiler
Simply search ‘Bradford bust’ and you will find many who have said it. Denver isn’t the only town with unrealistic expectations.
"Ready are you? What know you of ready?"
Yoda
But if Tebow continues to play at this level...
What choice to the Broncos have but to draft another QB? Like you, I’d hate to have to draft a QB when we are so terribly talent deficient in so many areas. However, Neither Orton or Quinn are under contract for next year. Orton will absolutely be gone, and it’s hard to see Quinn getting resigned at this point. Any remotely objective observer (admittedly, the non-objective observers are legion.) would have to acknowledge that the signs hardly augur well for Tebow thus far. Perhaps Tebow will miraculously turn things around, but it’s hard to imagine at this point. If he doesn’t, I can’t see Denver doing anything other than taking quarterback in the early rounds.
Spano is dreaming.
By now everyone should know that Fox is as conservative as coaches come. To expect him to change at this point is madness. It’s amusing to remember that many feel Dan Reeves was pushed out by Elway because his play calling was too conservative for a mobile QB.
"Ready are you? What know you of ready?"
Yoda
Yup, he needed an innovator like Shanny was at the time to take the big one
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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-Seanbaby
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