Mile High Report Poll of the Week: Mid-Season Awards - Least Valuable Player
by Topher Doll on Nov 5, 2011 4:30 PM MDT
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We are onto the 3rd award of the day, Least Valuable Player Award. Now obviously I can't list the whole roster so I will just list the names of some players who have done particularly bad this season, as well as some statistics to make sure it's not just on name value. Also if you feel someone was left out, just vote other and let me know in the comments section.
Here's the links to all the polls so if you haven't voted, go back and make your voice heard.
- Best Squad
- Worst Squad
- Least Valuable Player
- Most Valuable Player
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good list, they all have been pretty much terrible. i voted royal
“you are what your record says you are”
How about Damarius Thomas?
Tim Tebow has been a far more valuable 1st round pick than D. Thomas… Just sayin.
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by theGreatGuessKowski on Nov 5, 2011 4:48 PM MDT reply actions
I was going to include him
But he hasn’t played enough to make him good or bad, though as a whole, he has been bad, at least in my opinion.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I got to say Knowshon Moreno
He’s been an absolute bust.
I think we’ll probably cut him in the off season.
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every time we talk crap about him
he does something right, crazy I know
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 5, 2011 9:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I myself AM getting wore out with Knowshon......
however, John Fox and Studesville seem to really, really like him. I say they let him develop one more year before giving him the can.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
Meanwhile Tebow has had enough time right?
I’m not calling you out necessarily I am just saying Moreno gets more time but tebow doesn’t?
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
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by Jon Tollerud on Nov 5, 2011 11:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Jon....... Moreno has been in the league a year longer + had WAY more playing time
PLUS, Moreno plays a much easier position. And if you truly knew me, you’d know that Tebow is running out of chances in my book as well. I guess some of you guys remember me trashing Orton or something and just can’t let it slide. It wasn’t Orton….. if any supposed VETERAN QB who wanted payed like he did lost to the Raiders (and everyone else) like he did, I’d be salty against them as well.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
I'm not here to glorify one guy or another.... UNLESS they kick ass
If Tebow can’t do it……. then NEXT!!!!! I still think that because Tim isn’t a pro ready starter RIGHT NOW, doesn’t mean he won’t be at some point in the near future. I think it would be a travesty to trade him or dump him……. starting QB or not, Tim Tebow is a Peyton Hillis type rusher who’s probably good for 14 to 15 TD’s a year. I’m so sick of seeing this team dump their 1st round talent.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
No Like I said not meant to pick on you
you just happened to be the one who said it last ha ha.
Moreno has been in the league and doesn’t excite but we are told the team should have patience with him. Meanwhile Tebow has had what 8 games now? and we are told he sucks! It’s double standards. I have seen you call it like it is! So I know you have a standard across the board.
Davis and Smith to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
LMAO
People can’t help but get dragged into the Orton/Tebow thing. Sad.
I voted Goodman. Is 137 passer rating not as close as you can get to terrible?
Yeah I voted for Goodman too.
137 is about as bad as you can get
Me too Tim
Once upon a time, Goodie and Dawk helped us form a very good secondary. Goodie was also one of the most underrated CB’s in football. Boy……. not anymore. 137 QBR against? Get him out of here quick….. it’s Dre’ Bly without the ability to pick off passes and way less attitude.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
If it were me in charge
Chris Harris would be getting the start across from Champ today!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
Gotta go with Orton
9 Million under performing dollars sitting on the bench.
Part of my pick on the other polls were based on the amount of money and draft pick alloted to the groups. But this is an individual thing so Orton wins the prize for me.
Management needs to earn my faith, the past has taught me too much.
Not sure how Wesley got on that list
Knowshon for me.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Nov 5, 2011 5:40 PM MDT reply actions
Because he's really struggled in his playing time
One of the worst on the team, especially the LB’s, in terms of missed tackles, blown coverages, and just overall below average play.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Hes been so bad that...
Our front office was willing to trade DJ and Put Woodyard in his place. That bad. The dudes been good so far this year.
by broncs27 on Nov 5, 2011 7:38 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, I don't see that
Plus there’s nothing to back up Woodyard’s play. I’m a WW fan, more than DJ’s anyway, but I found no reason, statistical or eye test, saying he’s better than DJ.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
He's not..... and there's never been anything concrete to say they were tinkering with the idea of trading DJ.
Of course, this doesn’t mean that Woodyard hasn’t made plays here and there, but at the end of the day, we’re talking about a 220 lb. LB with no ass. I would like to see what Woodyard can do after some more time in this system, but I’m not going to cry if goes either. Wood’s best attribute is his leadership, and he’s been great in the community as a fan favorite.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
Being an old lineman
I had to pick Beadles. Success on either side of the ball starts in the trenches. His poor play directly affects the entire play of the offense which has been the weakest unit on the team. I give Franklin a pass because he is a rookie learning the game, but he does get my second vote.
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Makes sense, and thanks for your thoughts
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
High School Lineman with Concussions
I guess 4 years of high school football, too many concussions and old age have blurred your thinking.
Beadles isn’t the cause of anything. He’s rating about average for 2nd year guards in the NFL.. In the off season he improved his speed and lateral movement. In the next off season he needs to work on his strength. But he is hardly the reason the Broncos are a piss poor team. Maybe it’s because they are in a rebuilding phase, which will last three or four years. So expect more of the same until many other pieces are in place and they find a QB that can actually find a receiver before the sunsets.
Your cliche about the trenches is just pure crap. In today’s NFL, everything starts with the quarterback, the receivers, the running backs, the defensive backfield and then the D Line and finally the O Line. In that order.
The Denver O line has been playing mostly like an average NFL line so far with the exception of consistency, but it will improve when the play of the rest of the team picks up. The whole team has been playing inconsistent in nearly every position, which a couple of exceptions.
Denver is a troubled team. John Fox may get them back to an 8 and 8 team, but that’s probably as far as he can take them. That is as far as he’s taken any team in his career except for a couple of times.
How much Denver improves is going to depend on where Denver drafts this year. They need a decent QB, a couple of more receivers and running backs and some defense. After those pieces are in place, they can worry about the O Line.
so the line doesn't matter, eh?
I beg to differ
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 5, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Didn't Say the Line Didn't Matter
It’s a factor when the other things I mentioned are in place.
No matter how good an O Line is, if the QB is a below average NFL player, then the O Line won’t be a winning factor more than occasionally.
Poor receivers that take too long to get open, running backs that can’t hit the holes fast enough, QB’s that can’t locate open receivers and QB’s that move around in unexpected ways can make an O Line look bad.
An average O Line with an average QB and average receivers and a decent back paired with an excellent defense can win games. An average O Line with a great QB, backs and receivers can win a lot of games with an average defense.
A great O line makes the most difference when the QB, backs and receivers are significantly above average. When they are average with a poor defense, a great O Line will make a difference here and there, but overall the W/L record won’t vary much.
If Denver had a great O Line they might win 1 more game this season. The Broncos fans are far better served fixing the other problems first and then looking to upgrade the O Line. By the time the rest of the team is average to above average, several players on the O Line will be ready to retire, at the end of their careers or out of game due to injuries.
Then Denver can just pick up those super fast mauler type linemen posters on here keep calling for. There’s plenty of them available in the draft so I’m not sure why more teams don’t rush out and get them. I guess Denver isn’t the only team with a stupid staff.
That is a fair point you bring up
time for Demaryius and Eddie to play more like Decker, Tebow did throw some good passes against the Lions, but 3 and out kills you every time. We CANNOT do that against the Raiduhs
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 6, 2011 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
I think Beadles would benefit the most going back to the zone blocking scheme
I like his athletism for a big guy. When he pulls or goes out for screens, it’s impressive. That’s why I think he’d excell in a zone blocking attack. But for some reason the broncos keep bringing in coaches that just want to run power football. Clearly that hasn’t worked as well. All the o-linemen the broncos have, excpet maybe Frankln, are built to run zone blocking schemes. And it would benefit Tebow big time—bootleg all day long. Can we bring back the Shanhan days already?
by tiderfootball09 on Nov 5, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
You're right in a way (even though Beadles is below average right now)
But he is hardly the reason the Broncos are a piss poor team.
No one player is ever responsible for a team being piss poor. T.O. may be the closest I can think of.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
Also FormerUMP
Many teams do start with that philosophy…… QB first, then the receivers, etc/, etc. But many go different routes as well. Tell me that the Baltimore Ravens rely that heavily on Joe Flacco? No, that team goes in this order….. NT, ILB, FS, OLB/DE, RB, RB, RB, RB, OL, OL OL.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
I love the "Except for a couple of times"
You know like the super bowl and winning seasons. If you take those out, then yeah coach fox has never brought a team over 8-8 and probably dosent have a chance to do it again.
by KarlMecklenburg77 on Nov 6, 2011 12:12 AM MDT up reply actions
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I love the “Except for a couple of times”
You know like the super bowl and winning seasons. If you take those out, then yeah coach fox has never brought a team over 8-8 and probably dosent have a chance to do it again.
by KarlMecklenburg77
Sorry you don’t know anymore about coaching than you do. Statistical studies have shown conclusively that only about 15 to 20% of all head coaches in every major sport are good enough to add extra wins to the season. The majority of coaches are neutral. They don’t add any wins and don’t cause any losses. On the other end of the curve are the coaches that do cause losses and mess up teams.
Fox is not one of the coaches that adds to wins on any kind of consistent basis.
Here’s Foxes head coaching record with Carolina
Overall: 73 – 71
Playoffs: 5 – 3
Year Team Season Playoffs
2002 CAR 7 – 9 – 0 -
2003 CAR 11 – 5 – 0 3 – 1
2004 CAR 7 – 9 – 0 0 – 0
2005 CAR 11 – 5 – 0 2 – 1
2006 CAR 8 – 8 – 0 0 – 0
2007 CAR 7 – 9 – 0 0 – 0
2008 CAR 12 – 4 – 0 0 – 1
2009 CAR 8 – 8 – 0 0 – 0
2010 CAR 2 – 14 – 0 0 – 0
Of course I know the Panthers won a Super Bowl. Head coaches get a lot of credit and and lot of blame for things they had little to with. I guess you think Fox was a genius when the Panthers signed long shot Delhomme and he turned out to be better than Rodney Pete.
I think Fox is a neutral coach. His win loss record says that. While he is there the Broncos will get better. They’ll have good draft picks, free agency money and a supportive front office. But if you’re waiting for Fox to take Denver to a Superbowl in the next few years, you had better bring a good book to read because the wait is going to be long.
When did the Panthers win a SB?
And since you post here are you including yourself in your own description of MHR posters?:
retiredUmp said…
Obviously there wasn’t much research or knowledge of the facts in this post. For example, the info on Beadles came from SB Nation’s Broncos board. Only the die hard whiners post on there. So you were wasting your time on that site asking about Beadles.
Most of those empty headed mopes don’t know anything about football. They just want a forum to spout their empty headed opinions. Everyone thinks they should be an ESPN analyst.
Just to show you how ridiculous your source is there are several posters who act as though Beadles was the main reason the Broncos are losing! Are they serious? One second year O Line guy is responsible for the Broncos miserable team!
Sorry Fergus
Sorry Fergus I was in a hurry and didn’t proof read the post. Should have said Panthers played in a super bowl instead of won. My Bad.
Considering I'm not all that old,
Never had a concussion, and I played in the same league in the Marine Corps as Mike Anderson, probably not! When you assume, well you know the rest.
I agree, Beadles all by himself does not make the Broncos a “piss poor team”. Poor line play from any position directly can and often does correlate to poor offensive performance. Its not cliche. Remember that the next time a missed block results in a sack that kills a game winning drive, or a holding penalty gets the winning score called back.
There are some ball handlers on this list who are just as deserving, maybe even moreso because they are making a lot more cash. With that being said, I personally value line play (and I can really care less if you agree). It is safe to say of the group, Beadles has been the poorest performer of the bunch, with exception of Franklin as I stated earlier. I do think he will continue to improve as he has ever since he was thrust into the lineup last season.
I share your opinion, I think we need to focus on the skill positions in the upcoming draft. Whether or not we take a QB early or not, depends on what Tebow can do for the rest of the season. We need another back and a deep threat at wide reciever just in case DT never gets his burst back. I think the group we have on the O-line right now can become one of the better units in the league with some more time playing as a unit. I am impressed with the progress they have shown this season. The unit as a whole is much better than last season.
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Not that Old
Well, I’m glad you’re not old-yet. I am and there’s nothing about it I can recommend. I’ve only had one concussion and that wasn’t from football.
Of course I value line play. In fact, I spent many years prior to 1999 standing behind the defensive line officiating it and many years playing on it. I also spent countless hours going over film including A22 film to improve the performance of our crew.
From my perspective, Beadles isn’t one of the problems with the Broncos. He’s not a problem at all. Evaluating O line play is difficult because it’s hard to tell what an O line player was suppose to do and what he was responsible for. A lot of O line play evaluation is very very subjective, except when it comes from the O Line coach and O coordinator. It’s less subjective then because they know what any particular players was suppose to be doing on a specific play.
Based on the film I’ve reviewed, I don’t see Denver’s O line as a problem. Once some of the other issues are fixed the O Line as a whole will be somewhere in the top half of NFL O lines.
I’m not sure why fans tend to focus on one player like Beadles and give them so much heat for anything negative. I’ve compared all four of the O line guys (not Franklin) to the O line guys on a couple of teams with winning records and there isn’t a whole lot of difference with one exception—consistency. Right now the Denver O line is inconsistent and the inconsistency seems to be related to them as a group and not individuals.
Tebow is a wild card right now. I don’t think the O Line is. In one or two more years, this crew is going to be good. Every O Line guy misses an assignment at least one or more times in a game. Some sacks could have been avoided and some just happen because the O Line assignments were wrong. In the pro game everyone is big, fast, strong and knowledgeable—even the ones who don’t look like they are. So anyone starting on an NFL O line were among the best college O Line guys out there. I see posts wanting Denver to get a “mauler” or whatever. Sure why not. There’s tons of them in the draft and none of the other teams want one, so they’re cheap and easy to get!
At the beginning of the season I thought Denver might win 6 or 7 games. I’m still seeing that as probable.
I see where you are coming from
It is hard for both the typical fan and even the more educated fan to actually know what each assignment is. We are left to hypothesize. That is especially true when you only see the action at game speed. Penalties are a little more telling, but they are going to happen to even the best group from time to time. As a FormerUMP, you of all people know that. You could throw a flag for holding on every play and be right! I think all this group really needs is more time together as a unit. Giving up on any one of them at this point would be a setback. Franklin getting up to speed in pass protection is a concern, but he is showing improvement there.
I agree, Tebow is a wild card. He makes things a little tougher for the guys up front because he has a tendency to hold onto the ball and he is very unconventional. He is going to miss some protection calls that a more experienced QB is going to pick up. That should also improve with time.
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I refuse to answer this question...
on the grounds that I will be incriminated or worse on this site. Let’s just say he is currently the worst player at his position in th NFL. Go Gators……
easy one.....Joe Mays
not even close
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he has no desire to tackle, and plays like a wuss.
Playoffs!?!? Playoffs!?!? Don't talk about Playoffs!! Playoffs?!?!
Whole lotta disappointment on that list.
Orton, Moreno, Royal, Goodman, for lack of production. Then we’ve got a bunch of young guys who are still getting taken to the woodshed but at least there is still hope for them. Then there’s Doom who should be fine once he is completely healthy but he hasn’t done a whole lot so far this season.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
I went with Franklin
A lot of the offensive problems start with the line play. Now that he’s protecting Tebow’s blind side, Franklin has become much more important. So far I’m underwhelmed to say the least.
Blasphemy!
What is a picture of Champ Bailey doing any where near a least valuable player post. Blasphemy!
by KarlMecklenburg77 on Nov 6, 2011 12:16 AM MDT reply actions
Just want to say that I simulated the Bronco Raiders game on Madden
Broncos win 20-9, oh and I picked the Broncos to win. I just get the feeling that Tebow will turn it around some tomorrow.
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Raiders are banged up and I'm not convinced Palmer
is going to be up to speed already. It’s going to be an ugly sloppy game that barely qualifies as professional football but I think we’ll win.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Nov 6, 2011 6:35 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
So that means I have too watch 2 ugly games today:P
Rats.
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The Dolphins are a trainwreck today
Vontae Davis threatening to rip Brandon Marshall’s head off? Happy holidays everyone!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 6, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
Love Doom but right now the distance
between his capability and what’s he’s delivering on the field is so great you gotta go with him. I have no doubt he’ll be back in form though soon enough.
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by rubincarterrocks on Nov 6, 2011 8:38 AM MST reply actions
What the heck?!?
Trashing Tebow/Orton or Doom? We are picking the LEAST valuable player, right?
Your quarterback, whoever he is, is going to be one of the MOST valuable players and trashing Dumerville, go figure. I voted Moreno, but it was a toss-up between him and Goodman.
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