Final: Denver Broncos 38 - Oakland Raiders 24
by Troy Hufford on Nov 6, 2011 5:31 PM MST
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Final
| Category | Broncos | Raiders |
| Score | 38 | 24 |
| Rushing Yards |
38 car. 298 yards (7.8 ypc) | 26 car. 100 yards (3.8 ypc) |
| Passing Yards |
113 | 296 |
| Total Yards | 410 | 396 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 3-11 | 4-12 |
| T.O.P | 31:34 | 28:09 |
| Turnovers |
0 | 3 |
The 2 year losing streak is over. The last time the Broncos beat the Raiders was Week 3 of the 2009 season. In addition, the Broncos will be one game out of the AFC West lead. It was an unbelievable day for the Denver Broncos.
As the game started to unfold in the first quarter, I had a horrible gut feeling that the Broncos would lose this game from their own mistakes. With Ryan Clady's early holding calls and the inability to pick up a blitz, I figured this would be a long day for the Denver Broncos. It was a struggle in the first half, as the Broncos fell to a 7-17 deficit, but they turned it around with a huge win.
There were some ugly penalties from the Raiders, most notably the Aaron Curry late hit on Tim Tebow out of bounds on 3rd and 20 in the 4th quarter and roughing the kicker penalty at the end of the first half. The Broncos, however, had some awful penalties. To me, the most notable was Ryan Clady. Ryan Clady had two very costly holding penalties in the first half, one of which erased a 3rd and 1, turning it into a 3rd and 11, the second erased a first down run, turning it into a third and 12. After the second Clady penalty, the Broncos were forced to punt and a low snap made Britton Colquitt bobble the ball and throw it away, out of desperation. The Raiders scored from this momentum and the Broncos struggled to get things going for the rest of the half.
In the second half, however, the Broncos took a turn for the better. Tebow threw a touchdown pass over the middle to a wide open Eddie Royal, bringing the score to 14-17. After a Raiders drive in which they picked on Andre Goodman, they scored to the left side thanks to a beautiful catch by Jacoby Ford.
After a 43 yard Matt Prater field goal, the Raiders got the ball back. Then Carson Palmer threw a pass high over the middle that was deflected and intercepted by Chris Harris. The next play, Willis McGahee, broken hand and all, ran 60 yards for a Broncos touchdown.
After the Broncos and Raiders swapped punts, Eddie Royal returned a punt 85 yards (fifth longest in Broncos history) and celebrated by Tebowing in the back of the endzone. A Raider fan threw a beer can at him, but hey, what do you expect?
After a Raiders drive stalled, the Broncos got the ball at their own 23 yard line. From there, Tim Tebow ran a QB draw out of the spread option and rumbled for 28 yards. The next play, he handed off to Willis McGahee for 17 yards out of the spread option. A few plays later, McGahee ran for touchdown number 2, untouched on a 24 yard scamper out of the spread. The Raiders couldn't tell up from down as the Broncos ran the option out of the spread. The Raiders couldn't recover from the 2 score deficit, as Champ Bailey notched his 2nd interception of the game with under a minute to play.
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FEELS GREAT
I know it is just one win. I love the win today and it has been a while since they won a game like this. Power running smashmouth football. Hard hitting D and O. Today I am proud. Have to admit that when tebow over threw the first pass that was seriously a bad overthrow I was really starting to have the uh oh feeling. Anyways. Yeah BABY !!!!!
Hey Plz. We just won
Dont know if you heard yet.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
GB win = SD loss
It makes our win that much sweeter
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
by AlanC11 on Nov 6, 2011 5:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
For sure.
I cant believe were only a game behind the rest of AFC west now. 8-8 is gonna take this division
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
This is what I've been saying all year!
Except here.
:(
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
At least the Broncos are entertaining now!
Especially since we’ll get no Nuggets for a while
MOZGOD Member #35
Thats disappointing :(
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
What a great game
A true team win.
Offense executed great in the 2nd half
Defense made plays in the 2nd half.
Fantastic win. We’re right back in the thick of things with KC next week.
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As much as I have bashed McCoy's play calling the last couple of weeks
I saw some incredibly creative plays using our player’s strengths and showing plays from formations that we have not shown much before. Loved it. Hated the two up the gut quick runs in the 4th… the first one – OK, but the second was just lame. We have a ways to go, but if we put our talent in position to make plays, they will. Young and will make a bunch of head scratchers, but they have talent. Time to enjoy the show.
I am eating the biggest plate of crow regarding McCoy AND Gase....and damn, it tastes SO good! GO BRONCOS!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Holy Patrick Peterson, Batman.
That guy is electric.
We are a crappy team, with some crappy players at every position.
This one's for you Calikula :)
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 6, 2011 5:35 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
hahaha thanks for thinking of me Tusc.
Im all smiles now :)
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I have your back!
I had enough hope for the both of us!
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 6, 2011 5:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wow PP 3rd punt return TD this one was in OT.
Mcgahee is clearly our MVP
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
1 game back with KC next week!!!
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
and don't they look vulnerable after today
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Yes they do, they made Moore look All-pro
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Going to that game
Will be wearing my Weapon X jersey. Hope to see many other Bronco fans there!
I can't forget ... but I can't remember what.
It was sloppy at first but the enthusiasm and hard playing carried the day - way to go Broncos.
Oakland penalties helped too.
No kidding.
I thought I was going to pull my hair out when the Raiders had two long drives for points and it seemed our D had no answer… At first it seemed like we could not complete the plays (Palmer should have had 5 picks or more and we had a lot of early missed tackles on Bush). I hoped some of that would turn around in the 2nd half. Luckily it did!
Were all our Offensive TDs from the Shotgun?
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Aww, oh well close enough.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
For sure.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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Dont forget the OLine
The rolled like old times!
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 6, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
And love the SALUTE!
It’s a PC way to give the finger. Yeah…works both ways…
At sea level, but I'll always be a mile high.
by DaytonaBronco on Nov 6, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions
Our team is
the definition of schizophrenic. Great win, but let’s hope we can continue in the right direction instead of looking like we’ve never seen a football next week.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
For sure grind. Look like hell one week, then wake up and play like champs the next. WTF? KC just got OWNED by Miami, so theres no reason we cant win, dare I say it, back to back road wins?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
That is the definition of young
And the Lions are a very good team. A-holes, but talented. Probably the only thing preventing them from leading a division is that they are playing with GB. They had just gotten embarassed two weeks in a row and they ate our lunch and we help them along.
The Raiders tested our weaknesses and we showed that we still have holes, but we have enough strengths to give us a shot. Now if we can just continue to get better each week!
A-holes? Really?
That’s just a bunch of media crap. You won’t find a more quiet, humble superstar than Calvin Johnson. And Stafford, Best, and especially Suh are good guys. They play hard and are a bit cocky.
But A-holes? That’s going a bit far. I am a lions fan…as you probably figured. I also support your team, mainly because of Tebow.
And by the way, I rooted against Tebow in college every time he played.
I dont know about you
but I call it the way I see it. Calling out players (I dont care who that player is) on the opposing team and calling them a joke is not what “humble” players do. Humble players keep their mouths shut to the media, they dont trash talk…like the Detroit Lions. I give them a little concession because of the fact they sucked for so long. I guess you have to learn how to be a gracious winner. And they are far from that, and cocky just comes off as classless and yes makes them look like A-holes! And they have done it to MORE than one NFL team. :)
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by Disturbed70 on Nov 7, 2011 11:50 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
I listened to the 1st half
and watched the second. The one thing I really noticed is who the leader of this team is. Contrary to popular belief it is #87 Eric Decker. He is the one getting the guys to keep their heads. Telling the team to hurry up. Keeping McGehee from getting a 15yard penalty after the touchdown. What a great guy to have on our team.
by kimbertr on Nov 6, 2011 5:39 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Well said.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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He is no Rod Smith but he is trying to lead like him. I love seeing that out of our young guys.
also loved seeing #58 everywhere on the field today.
Absolutely. Those are two young players who will be in Orange for a long time.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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I saw the same out of Eric too, good catch
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
True
Decker though sure doesn’t seem to have any character issues. Decker is looking like Ed McCaffery: the sequel.
by scooter17 on Nov 6, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
looks like a combo of Ed and Rod both
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
298 rushing yards.
freaking college numbers…
..We're 2-14 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
We beat the Raiduhz at their own game and just won baby!
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
by Horsepower on Nov 6, 2011 5:41 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, you know Tim Tebow played pretty well in college. :)
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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I'll take them land sea or air.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
I gots a teboner..
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
by Pmoreno95 on Nov 6, 2011 5:39 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Consult your doctor if it lasts into the playoffs.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 6, 2011 5:41 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Seriously, im going to have to start collecting from people using that...
..We're 2-14 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
This is so great! Awesome game and no turn overs!
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 6, 2011 5:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions
And no turnovers... and no turnovers... and no turnovers
Cannot say that enough! Especially for a young team – they kill momentum more than anything else.
well the Punt fiasco.
But Briton still tried.
by CenCalBronco on Nov 6, 2011 10:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
What else was Colquitt to do once he fumbled the snap?
If he falls on it or throws it out of the endzone it’s 2 pts for the Faiders and with they get the ball back immediately also. Really what he did was the best option (as long as it’s not intercepted and run in for a td). Can’t complain about him too much, he was my vote last week for mvp up to that point….
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by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:38 AM MST up reply actions
Bend it like
Beckham :) Used to be able to do “drop kicks” for points :)
".....Im the waiting beast....Im the twisted nerve..."
Sorry Elway no Luck for you!
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
by Pmoreno95 on Nov 6, 2011 5:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Or a certain RB... lol
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
I'd be happy with who ever as long as its not a qb
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
5th round or later maybe
Round 1 – Dre Kirkpatrick, CB
Round 2 – Dont’a Hightower, ILB
Round 3 – Dontari Poe, DT
Round 4 – Isaiah Pead, RB
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very happy with the W
but I hardly think our qb issues are solved.
i hope u r right
it’s the accuracy that concerns me. he can hit open receivers over the middle ok (as he should). but his throws to the sides are scary.
do you want a kc qb
a lot of yards and NO TDS
by Joshua Glover on Nov 6, 2011 8:49 PM MST up reply actions
are you saying tebow's the man because cassel didn't throw any td's?
i want a qb that can consistently hit open receivers, and maybe even thread it a few times. i am hoping that tebow will develop into one those but i’m not seeing any hint of that in his passing.
again, i’m very happy with the win, and it was nice to see the o control the ball and line of scrimmage. i think tebow deserves credit in that the raider defenders were a little too excited to get into the backfield and pressure tim, and that appeared to open up our run game.
I want a qb that wins and inspires his teammates...
the rest of the team raised it’s game and that’s why we won. Did you see the Faiders raise their game when the pressure was on or did they fold? It was obvious to me they began to give up…TT brings much more to the table than pretty passes. I can’t guarantee he’s the ultimate answer to take us to the promise land but I’m sure afraid to bet against him and I think his teammates are beginning feel the same way.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
you're lucky to see it that way.
i wish i could. i’m usually more optimistic. i don’t know if tebow inspires his teammates. maybe there’s a feeling that the d and special teams need to shoulder more of the load? maybe the opposing offenses see this as the d’s game to win? i don’t know. i do know that there was a lot of grumbling on the team when tebow took over, and players asked to be traded. i know that there are defensive players who are not happy about tebow starting. i just don’t know if tebow really is a leader on that team. and i don’t know how much credit should go to tebow for that win. our defense made some plays. our receivers got open on some plays. tebow made 2 great throws, and made a number of excellent run plays happen…which is awesome…but my overall feeling is that the playcalling caught everyone by surprise. the plays looked nothing like what the raiders, or anyone else has seen out of the broncos. when we face disciplined defenses know what to expect and don’t suffer from overconfidence and can force tebow to throw, i don’t see him “elevating” the team to a win.
and i hope i’m wrong.
go broncos!
Did you watch the game? Your own eyes should tell you his effect on the team. and yes, GO BRONCOS!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
why assume the effect is tebow?
just because some fans are fixated on the qb, doesn’t mean the players are. my own eyes saw him throw, and i don’t see that inspiring anyone. i have only heard lukewarm endorsements from the players, coach and elway. he was a virtual laughingstock after detroit. why on earth would anyone assume it’s tebow over, say, new offensive scheme? or defensive adjustments? or even an overconfident opponent?
I did watch tebow play, and that’s why i am only excited about him as a runner.
sorry elway no barkley for you?
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
Did this just happen?
Passing Cmp Att Yds TDs
T. Tebow 10 21 124 2
Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs
W. McGahee 20 163 8.2 2
T. Tebow 12 117 9.8 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TDs
E. Decker 3 47 15.7 1
Much better all around game from the whole team. I did not expect this, especially since Denver had only a 33% chance to win today.
Great win by the Broncos!
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
by Horsepower on Nov 6, 2011 5:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
dont forget eddies two tds!
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
Eddie! Eddie! Eddie!
I am not interested in your exaggeration of reality. I am interested in reality itself.
This team has to play as a team.
Afater several boneheaded plays and missing WRs by a large amount, the TEam came back
by Gulbrand on Nov 6, 2011 5:40 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Only one noticably bad pass, on that first TD drive
Maybe another couple that weren’t quite there, but not too bad
He’s getting there, and we won.
Judging by the MHR pick'em, we had a few members of the flock lose faith recently
o ye of little faith. I told you we would win.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Im among that crowd
I’ll gladly take my serving of crow now. Sorry, but attending that Lions game planted a cancer in my Bronco soul
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
by Calikula on Nov 6, 2011 5:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
:) its ok
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 6, 2011 5:57 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Wasnt my choice really
The gf’s sis was taking vacation that week and that’s the game that was in town. Oh well
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
lol yes. This win went a long way for therapy from that Lions game
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
It'll take a lot for me to leave this team boiler
but it can weaken a Calikula
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
remember what Tebow and Gaff said to each other last year after one of their TD?
something to the effect of “ypu can bruise me but you can’t hurt me”
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
haha yeah, I remember that too
was it in the Texans game?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Great great win
Champ pulled down INTS
Von Miller and Doom got pressure when it counted
Tebow ran and threw TDS
Chris Harris redemption
Freakin’ McGahee with broken hand went apeshit
Very
If not for how thin we are at WR, I think Fox would be playing him as the lead returner.
by Elias Mkalech on Nov 6, 2011 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
agree, but I've been pretty pleased with
Crosby. Always securely catches the ball, very quick and fast. I like how he is able to catch the ball, makes the first guy miss and always seems to get positive yds. I think he is a perfect return guy. He’ll break a few I’m sure
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:47 AM MST up reply actions
Great game...
Great adjustments. Tebow showed improvement though I’d still like to see the coaching staff let him loose a little more on 3rd down. Miller was getting good pressure all game, Dumervil had an impact, Ayers looked good…..
Don’t like the big holes and open zones problems we are having….all in all though, winning cures all. A lot of work to do yet though.
here here
Lots of work to do, but it is so nice to be talking about how to WIN better next time!
Agreed
Do you know what you got into? Can you handle what he's about to do? Tebow is about to make it rough for you...I bet you thought that he was soft and sweet. Thought angel swept you off your feet? Tebow is about to turn up the heat...
Dont trip off the glitz that I'm gonna display..
by Tuscani on Nov 6, 2011 6:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Mcgahee Player of the game.
So how’s the hand it hurts but so what. Love it!
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
i love that guy
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
Dude out ran the whole raiders D That was impressive.. The old man still has wheels.
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
And props to both Allen and McCoy (hey, if we're going to hammer in the losses we
have to give them credit in the wins!), came out in the second half with great adjustments. It had been awhile since I’ve seen adjustments that effective (not since Shanny and Kubes). Way to go guys.
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
So how’s the hand
Still a bit stiff.
This station is non-operational
IT'S TEBOW TIME!
On the twitterverse
Trenches and CB play need to improve….draft focus
Perspective is not taught at MHR, so stop reading the DP and go get some.
by BroncofanfromBoston on Nov 6, 2011 5:43 PM MST reply actions
passing game needs to improve
that’s protection, passing, and receiving. 5.1 YPA isn’t going to cut it most Sundays.
i keep dancing on my own.
by atomiccafe on Nov 6, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
More important stat
no turnovers. We will be in more games than not with that state, regardless of YPA.
Wow what a great team performance
We played really hard in the 2nd half
So yeah.. Eddie needs to take full time returns again.
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
by Pmoreno95 on Nov 6, 2011 5:44 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Nope, love him but Crosby is fine
and it save Eddies legs and bod…
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
Jag fan here..Great game Broncos! Tebow and Magahee did a pretty damned good job..
That was nice to see..
Why the hell didn’t Tebow get more flags thrown his way for PFs? They were hitting him in the mouth with their helmets.. SMH
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!
Yeah he got one flag, but I counted at least three bad hits. The one he got the guy grabbed him by the head/neck and slammed him down after the play. I thought the other two hits were worse because they were helmet to helmet—one on the facemask, the other one was exactly what the NFL is preaching against—leading with the crown of the helmet right into Tebow’s helmet. Raiders have had a dirty rep for a long time and it sure looked like they were head-hunting in this one.
Jason
The Hanging Curve
by poorboywilly on Nov 6, 2011 10:28 PM MST up reply actions
Gotta love TT's toughness. I guarantee his teammates do too...
even after the Faiders were taking their cheap shots he’s not the type of QB to get up waving his arms at the refs complaining, you can almost see the thought bubble above his head after those things reading, “hey, that’s football…” I guarantee he has the Faiders respect too…..
"I'm very important. I have many leather-bound books and my apartment smells of rich mahogany."
by rubincarterrocks on Nov 7, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions
So. F*****. Awesome.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
38 points in the black hole it's not 59 but I'll take it.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
It's a win in the hole....
That’s about as good as it gets.
by Elias Mkalech on Nov 6, 2011 5:46 PM MST up reply actions
No doubt
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Haven't done that since 2009, so yeah.... I'll take it.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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well fox won it his way
ran the ball and stopped the run. I disagree with his philosophy, but it’s awesome when it wins.
i keep dancing on my own.
yeah
though I think Fox feels stopping the run sets up the pass rush by allowing them to tee off.
i keep dancing on my own.
Against the Raiders - this is a must
KC too. We will see how we do the rest of the season with it…
Big Oakland Dline dudes were made to run sideline to sideline in 1st half
Paid off big in the 4th quarter. Imagine if the same thing was done at 5000 ft elevation.
Anyone else notice the stats from our 1st game against em this year have flipped?
We only have 100 yds passing, and over 200 rushing. Bizzaro world
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
298 to be exact! That's frickin awesome!!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
1st time in 11 years. Awesome
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
WE SUCK...cant believe we did not rush for 300!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
EPIC FAIL BEN!!!!!!
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Hahaha....glad you are back Cal!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Yup
This game did much good for my soul :)
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Loving that new poster Post Punk too....
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Fergus is a good dude too...another newbie!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
ha yeah I think he’s reincarnation of a former poster I once admired
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Could be.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
We have hope. It feels nice considering at half people were calling usa the laughing stock of the league.
In fairness....we were heading that way.
Tebow played terribly, and somewhat laughably, outside of the last few minutes of the Miami game….The Detroit game in particular was pretty demoralizing. We needed this win, and Tebow needed to make plays this week, we and he succeeded on both counts.
by Elias Mkalech on Nov 6, 2011 5:48 PM MST up reply actions
And it the Not For Long
It will matter for about a broadcast and a half. Then, all we will hear is about how we cannot keep winning this way… Bottom line, we have to win a lot to get even modest respect right now. Who really cares about what anyone else thinks. As long as we see our team get better each week, we should be happy.
Game ball McGahee
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I endorse THIS.
GREAT acquisition.
..We're 3-13 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Best FA pick up in a long time
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Congratulations guys!
Fun game to watch and Tebow showed a little improvement today, I think. Your ground game was beastly. Every time I see a young QB win a game, I always look to the ground game and their stats. Today the uglies in the trenches carried the day for you team.
Not sure who said it but the quote “A young QB’s best friend is a powerful running game.” It might not be flashy but it gets the job done.
Again, Gratz on the win against those pukes in black and silver.
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Thanks Josh.
Good luck to your Lions the rest of the year. Hope you guys can finally make it to the big one
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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Thanks man
We have one hell of a fight coming next week @ Chicago. I am not sure if playing the bears is the same to us as playing the raiders is to you but my blood boils every time we have to play those #W$%&@$.
Again, great game and win gents. Keep it up next week. I think you are playing KC right? They are looking exceptionally vulnerable. If you can contain their running game, you can beat them into the ground.
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Yes. The Raiders would definitely be our most intense rivalry
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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I think the Bears are our biggest Rival
but with the way things are going now. It might end up being the Pack eventually. Grrrrr…..
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division rivalries are always up and down
but deep in every teams DNA is a hated rival. the losses are always worse, the wins are always better. During the Rivers-Cutler feud days SD reached a modern zenith and a lot of fan resentment went that way while the Raiders were uncompetitive, but the Raider hate was always in the background. You should have seen the reaction last year when they drubbed us hard. It was pretty clear that no loss to Phyllis would ever come close to that level of negativity…
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ahhh. Just spilt milk
LOL. That one comment was the end. Anyone that does not “get it” about the Broncos and the Raiders does not belong in a Bronco uniform.
See McD and Orton
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
my post after the game was titled "Do you get it now?"
I would link it, but it has been permanantly deleted. A human rights groups asked SBNation to remove it.
It was for the best.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions
I remember reading that one.
It was when I was first learning about MHR and I was looking for answers after that horrific loss
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
and now you are stuck here like the rest of us....
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
yeah...kinda like purgatory or something
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Uggg.....
I am absolutely sure, I will never say that. EVER!
BTW, McGahee was in BEAST mode today. Perhaps someone should break his hand every 4-6 weeks?
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Thanks for dropping by. From living in Michigan, the Lions are easily my 2nd favorite team, so I will be rooting for them every week the rest of the way now that the drubbing that was last week is over.
Thanks
I live in Chicago now! lmao
I know what it is like to be a displaced fan.
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Some credit NEEDS to go to the coaching staff here
I know we like to rag on McCoy, but his willingness to call the Zone Read time and time again paid off numerous times. I know I mentioned this in the game thread so I’m sort of repeating myself, but take a look at this video from the McGahee 60 yard TD run:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/auto/09000d5d823d7854/McGahee-60-yard-TD
This is a basic zone read. Watch Oakland’s LB (#55) and Safety (#27) as Tebow executes the handoff to McGahee. They both take a step or two to their left – towards the sidelines. This is because if Tebow decides to keep here, he would take off running off the right tackle. The ONLY reason McGahee had that kind of hole is because Tebow has burned them on this exactly play by keeping it, so this LB and Safety bit on Tebow contain, giving McGahee just enough space to break it. What does this mean?
1) This play ONLY works because Tebow is the quarterback. His legs are SO valuable that he literally affected the play on a play where he handed off
2) This play PROBABLY doesn’t work if McCoy hadn’t called it numerous times already. Tebow had kept on several zone reads, and had burned the Raiders on a few of them, most notably this one:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/denver-broncos/09000d5d823d82b2/QB-Tebow-32-yd-run
This is the SAME exactly play way earlier in the game, except it’s aligned the opposite direction so Tebow breaks for the LT instead of RT. On this one, the Raiders bit on McGahee and Tebow burned them badly. They didn’t forget this, and McCoy wisely goes back to the well, only to see the Raiders over-compensate and boom, McGahee breaks a 60 yarder and suddenly we have the lead for good. Beautiful.
So give credit where credit is due. Tebow gets credit for his legs (not just on his own rushes, but even some of McGahee’s rushes), and McCoy… yes McCoy… gets credit for utilizing Tebow’s abilities and being willing to call zone reads. I know we’ve complained a lot about McCoy, but just like Tebow is getting better at being in control of the offense, McCoy seems to be improving on learning how to utilize Tebow, and for THAT, he must get some credit.
So Nick Cast – I hope to see McCoy on your studs list tomorrow right after McGahee and Tebow. ;)
by scooter17 on Nov 6, 2011 5:50 PM MST reply actions 22 recs
For sure. As much as this O-Line has struggled in pass protection (and it still did today – some awful holding calls), these guys are doing a pretty solid job in run blocking.
Your right.
They have really gone well in run blocking since the first game against Oakland. Pass protection has been bad but we have had to face pretty good pas rushers recently.
we saw a ton of growth today
we’re a young team and we’re going to get a lot of lows but today was a high
And now for something completely different
For sure
I was talking in the game thread, and I think we may have the youngest offense in the entire NFL. We have the youngest starting O-Line (all but 1 is 4 years or less), all young WR’s (all are 4 years or less including Fells), and of course Tebow. We literally have no veterans outside of McGahee and Kuper. Oh and to top it all off, our O-Coordinator is pretty new to this style of play too.
Growing pains are OKAY, and today is a glimpse at how it can pay off. Good day!
Can we get you on TV?
That was more insightful than most ESPN analysts. +1 for you good sir
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
haha
I do wish ESPN analysts would point out stuff like this, because it’s really not complicated stuff if you watch a lot of college football. I mean it when I say it’s a very basic zone read – lots of spread-to-run college teams just use this as their base play and add all sorts of wrinkles to it, so if you see it enough it’s pretty easy to recognize.
Glad it was helpful!
This seems to have gotten a pretty positive response, so I’ll try to write about it in a bit more detail this week if I can find the time.
Great post brother!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Even more than that, we broke tendencies
Tim throwing from under center on first down. Only a couple of those “designed QB draws” – ok those two in a row in the 4th must have been a brain fart, so we still have room to grow… We finally put receivers in position to make plays with a reaslistic expectation of the timing of the play (they were open before 5 seconds). Those designed naked runs by Tim where he is not running into the 8 man box. Throwing quick throws. There was a lot of positive in that regard. McCoy also seemed to finally adjust at half time and kept things rolling!
We finally put receivers in position to make plays with a reaslistic expectation of the timing of the play (they were open before 5 seconds).
Adjustment of the week if you ask me. I don’t buy any of the “planning to fail” conspiracy theories floating around out there, but the WR routes were one of the few things that tempted me to entertain the notion….
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions
For sure
Early in the game it was pound on first down every time, and when we broke tendency to throw on first down, it was successful a couple times. The one where Tebow hit Thomas down the right sideline is an example if I’m remembering correctly.
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by Teboner on Nov 6, 2011 5:50 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I endorse this comment
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I prefer 11-5 til we ain't.
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Most people do lol.
Think of it as, a facetious attempt at humility.
..We're 3-13 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
I prefer 14-5 till we ain't.
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Nice.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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It's about time
Glad to see the team finally pull together and play a full 60 MIN. Great job Denver.
More rushing yards than passing yards, but infinitely more passing touchdowns than rushing touchdowns.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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I prefer division, myself...
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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Nope...he threw for 124 and ran for 119.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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2 touchdowns 0 INTs
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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hahahaha, well played.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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and 14 points
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
(Tweet from Trent Richardson) TrentR3: "That man Tebow always finding ways to win games #Heart"
Daaaaaw…lil Trent wants to be a Bronco :P
id welcome him with open arms!
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Yes!
I was in Boulder at the Lazy Dog on Pearl Street, and there was one Raider fan rubbing it in our faces, and by the 4th quarter the whole place went up in a mighty series of Broncos roars…I looked over and the Raider fan had exited stage right…LOL
I think when McGahee saluted the Raider and then ran over that defender, that was an iconic moment in our rise back to greatness!
Giving the Raiders a prison style beatdown
Is the best way to Unite the Broncos fans!
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I just got a text from a Raider buddy...
“I don’t f***ing believe this!”
I replied with: “hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha TEBOW TEBOW TEBOW”
by Tim Lynch on Nov 6, 2011 6:08 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Hahaha nice.
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Glad you won your bet today 95 for many, many reasons!!
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by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 6:53 PM MST up reply actions
Niners fan, here
Just want to congratulate you fellas on an awesome victory in Oakland. What is your take now on Tebow?
He’s won 2 out of 3 as the starter. So, is it because of him or in spite of him?
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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by Jesse Reed on Nov 6, 2011 5:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Jesse. Much appreciated.
Tebow looked much better then last week.
Congrats on beating Washington.
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Well...
With Orton, we lost to the Raiders. And Tebow’s already doubled Orton’s wins this season. It’s a clear choice…
Von Miller and Dumervil are basically racing to see who's first to the QB...Love this feeling!!!
Well he doesnt turn the ball over a bunch
but he doesnt get a lot of yards either. He’s improving, and thats good enough for now
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
He's got 19 TD's and 5 turnovers in his NFL career...I'll take that with a smile
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by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
For sure
now if he can get those 3rd down conversions down, well be set
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Well, we finally had hot routes
We may not have converted them all (we did a few), but at least we were trying. It will come with time.
thank you sir.
"The only thing I’m addicted to right now is winning." -Charlie Sheen
"I'm going to be a Bronco forever" -Rahim Moore
My take
Is that he showed clear improvement today, so that’s good enough for me. He had some more bouts with inaccuracy in the first half, but I particularly like that he rarely throws interceptions (this doesn’t get enough notice btw), and that he seemed to have more poise/comfort this week.
If he keeps improving at this rate, I will be a believer.
Was thinking the same thing
for as inaccurate as he is, his TD to INT ratio is really good
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
he never forces the ball
probably way too conservative actually. We’ll see if he adapts.
i keep dancing on my own.
Honestly with Tebow, if it’s 1) take off and run or 2) try to force the ball… I’m happy the guy takes door #1. He’ll get better with time.
And some of his overthrows or misses are because he lacks the confidence to put em there
so he takes the safe throw
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
he takes so many sacks because he doesn't force the balll duh
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Yep. At some point he’ll have to be a bit more brave with fitting the ball in, but … sack > interception
especially for a young team
Sack is recoverable. Int that turns into points quickly – not so much
you can work on the accuracy.
Alex Smith’s accuracy has vastly improved due to proper coaching. If he can do it, so can Tebow. BTW, they’re both Urban Myer qbs…
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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Alex Smith isn’t performing noticeably better this year. Interceptions are mostly luck, and he’s having a good interception luck year.
i keep dancing on my own.
sir, that may be one of the most ignorant things I've ever read
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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by Jesse Reed on Nov 6, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
doink
http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/11/how-random-are-interceptions.html
i keep dancing on my own.
?
persistence. E Manning threw a lot of picks last year and is hardly throwing any this year. Did he get better? Did Brees get a lot worse from 2009 to 2010? It all points to the idea that avoiding INTs is not a persistent skill.
i keep dancing on my own.
Meh
If you watch him play, his decision making is noticeably better.
clarification
Ther’es a difference between tipped ball INTs and fluke-ish ones and INTs where a QB simply shouldn’t have made the throw.
To flash back to something we can relate to – how many times have you seen Cutler throw into triple coverage?? And how many times do you see Tom Brady throw into triple coverage? THOSE kinds of INTs are different and not random, and those kinds of things can be improved on.
by scooter17 on Nov 6, 2011 6:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think this sabermetric analysis holds weight if its only looking
at interception rates.
I'm of the belief that you have to watch film....
to come to this type of conclusion. Not all interceptions or plays that result interceptions are alike. Randomness in interceptions is tough to quantify in a game with a lot of moving parts such as football. Some sabermetrics work in this sport; I just don’t believe in this explanation. That’s just me.
film matters
but I think here the numbers are so overwhelming and cover such a large dataset, I would need to hear some serious rebuttal to feel wrong.
I bet if you looked at film of Brett Favre in 2009 he would look a lot better than the Brett Favre who threw tons of picks in ‘08 or something. But you couldn’t have predicted his brilliant and practically INT free year.
i keep dancing on my own.
I believe in a fluke year like Brett Favre's 2009.
I guess randomness and fluke are similar. I don’t think there is a wrong or right answer or argument to this discussion. This is probably one of the situations where I would prefer film over sabermetrics.
I’ll treat what Alex Smith is doing right now as a fluke, but if a flukey year wins them the Super Bowl Harbaugh won’t complain I’m sure.
i keep dancing on my own.
If he keeps playing like this
We will probably have a few more years under Harbaugh/Roman coaching to see if this is truly a fluke. Right now, I bet on NO. He is dramatically improved in decision making, IMO
It might be bad luck if a receiver bobbles it
but INT are mostly from bad decisions or poor throws, or both. But theyre not mostly luck
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
if interceptions were mostly due to skill
some QBs would be able to avoid interceptions a lot better than others. That is not really the case. Read the link above.
i keep dancing on my own.
there is no possible way you can be this ignorant
Come on, Alex, please be good this year..
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meh, I thought the article was pretty sound
there are others on the PFR Blog, and other folks that pretty much show the same thing.
i keep dancing on my own.
It could be that INTs are also avoidable
if you dont take many gambles throwing into triple coverage, and things of the sort
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
sure
but the same people don’t seem to be able to do that year after year. See also the section titled “regression way past the means” here:
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7082930/upon-initial-review-week-5
i keep dancing on my own.
This is why I hate stats.
The eye test is almost always more accurate when an issue is neither black nor white, but gray.
Thanks Zappa...
this conversation is gettin cumbersome. Let’s talk Broncos win!!!!! Yeah baby!!!!!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 6:58 PM MST up reply actions
Disagree, atomiccafe
luck may have a part in inteceptions, but I doubt ’mostly". However, the rest of his game is up also.
He has it in his head NOT to throw INT's
The intense media circus and all of this stupid hoopla I think has affected him. He nearly admitted in a post game interview (after Miami game I believe) that his inaccuracy was due to playing catutious. This will not change until he knows he has the full support of the organization behind him. However, he will still lead the team to victories whether he completes 40% or 60%. Just my two cents.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Yeah
This team needs to play its way out of the Barkley/Jones range now. For all those wantin to sell the farm for Luck, forget it. No way, no how is that gonna happen
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Before the game...
I hoped for this:
The Chiefs are getting hammered by Miami! Wow! If they lose and go 4-4, and Bolts get struck by Green Bay for 4-4, and we beat the Raider Faders to make them 4-4, we’ll still have a three way ties for first and we’ll be 3-5…one GAME OUT! Woo hoo! Come on Tebow, everything needs to click today! Come on Defense, rise to the occasion!
On the converse, if the Raiders beat us today, they will have command of first place, but their motto is “Just win, baby” ANd since they love referring themselves as “Babies” I think today they deserve a spanking!
And it happened! Feels good to win and the Dolts have a mad Raider team coming in there on Thursday I heard…and we go to KC…we could be tied for second place next week! Go Broncos!
OMFG!
I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry?
Oh Nick Cast
I CANT WAIT for your studs and duds.
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Rodney A if youre reading this
can you back now? Do you still have to sport that ugly tRaider avatar?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
It's the truth
No reason to be upset by it…..had he played like he did against Detroit do you really think his job would be safe?
by Elias Mkalech on Nov 6, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, it is the truth
Had Tim continued to struggle badly, it would’ve been increasingly difficult to defend him
Ugh....and I like Tom Jackson.
I’m tired of BSPN.
Norv Turner is so going to be fired......
Jason Hammel : Feared Slugger was /2011'd
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I hope not.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
You dont think GB is the best team in the NFL?
Who’s better?
by Elias Mkalech on Nov 6, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
What?
I was replying to Turner being fired, I hope he doesn’t get fired.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
+1 for the idea of occupying
+100 for the Broncos win!
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
Loved...
the looks of disbelief on the Oakland Fans in the 4th Quarter as the Black Hole emptied its gaseous smell…
Tebow Really sells that fake handoff
Both times gave us decent QB runs.
The threat of Tebow...
… as has been said, makes it possible for Denver runners to excel. including Tebow himself.
when was the last time Denver had two 100 yard rushers?
Also: What was the story behind Moreno getting almost no looks?
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
by Fly Agaric on Nov 6, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Coaches staying with what works
McGahee and Tebow both ran better than him today, possibly Ball as well. Moreno was only 3rd-4th best rusher on the team today
I think it’s because Moreno just doesn’t do much of anything with the chances he gets. McGahee runs MUCH harder than Moreno. Even Ball is about the same as Moreno.
McGahee has had several 100 yard games this year, and Moreno has I t hink just 1 in his entire career. He’s just not very good sadly.
I agree with this
McGahee deserves the No. 1 back spot. But I’ve seen enough of Moreno to think he warrants passing down consideration. He’s not a good up-the-middle back, though.
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
for sure
Moreno’s ceiling is basically a less explosive Reggie Bush – sucks between the tackles, but he’s very capable as a receiver in space. I think he can be a good 3rd down back with time – use him to chip a pass rusher and then turn into an outlet route of some sort.
We might want to try some "inverted zone reads" with him
Option #1 is him to the outside, option #2 TEBOW up the middle.
For sure, I’d like to see some wrinkles added to the base zone read with time. Teams will figure it out and be competent against it – Oakland defended the ZR really poorly all day – other teams will be more prepared. If they stay ahead of the curve, they can add more wrinkles to it and keep teams on their toes. Maybe even open up the passing game a bit that way.
It would be a good way to get Knowshon involved anyways.
beauty of the zone read
the only real defensive adjustments are numbers in the box and patience. The fact that it always leaves a defender unblocked means 8 in the box is the minimum a defense can run to keep the numbers even.
We already have a pretty “wrinkly” offense, and as Tebow gets better at reading and diagnosing presnap, we will be in the right play more often. Production from that improvement will only make the zone read that much more dangerous, but those opportunities are already there. Just need to grab them.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
right
the zone read forces the free safety to account for the QB which leaves everyone in straight man. The problem is, your QB can get hit on every play if you are using that play.
i keep dancing on my own.
I haven't given up hope on Moreno yet
I almost did, but then I saw what he was capable of in the second half against the Chargers. That screen pass and run was badass. I think the coaching staff needs to light a fire under his a$$.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
I think the last time we had 2 100 yard rushers...
Was against the Eagles in 05. We were also the 1st team to have 2 100 yard rushers and a 300 yard passer in the same game.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Moreno
is good with outlet and screens, but I think the option read might be leaving less room for that stuff in the playbook. Wish we could get a good pick out of Moreno by trading him or something, I’m starting to think there are better fits for him and the Broncos.
I just don't think he is a patient enough runner
to be the go to guy for the cutback running. I’ve heard it called a vision problem, but I don’t know if that would be correct… He sees the hole, but he has already committed hismelf elsewhere, thus the stuttery push at the line, or the slips, or the whole body torquing when he tries to change direction.
Even in the screen game he will abandon his blockers and race out ahead of them… It was the last problem I though he would have in the league, and I actually thought his lack of elite speed would save him from it…. wrong.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
The thing is, he had excellent vision in college...He just seems so schizi in the pros
He is very quick and jerky but I dunno…he isnt very natural. Very different from what I remember in college. I think he would have been better had he gained weight to around 225.
Moreno deserves no looks
McGahee cannot keep that pace all year, so we need to get him spelled from time to time, but Moreno is a HUGE disappointment.
Tebow
I have heard a lot of people saying that Tebow showed a little improvement. I disagree with that statement. I thought he showed big improvement. He was no Rodgers or Brady, but he only made a few mistakes and looked good on most of his throws. His decent play allowed us to have a big day on the ground. Once he started making throws that he should, they could no longer load the box.
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 6:17 PM MST reply actions
Indeed
He only took one sack too. Pretty darn good when the Raiders were coing at him hardcore in the first half. A few throws got away from him but big deal. Conversely, three balls got away from Carson Palmer and ended up in Denver hands. But boy that ball to Reese down the middle sure was pretty!
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Pretty and Ugly
Are very closely related. A split second reaction on our side and this could have been Palmer’s 4th int.
Late in the first half he had quite a few passes that were just inaccurate, no other way to put it. Other than that though, he looked a lot better. He looked much more comfortable in the pocket (night and day really), only took like one sack, and he was pretty accurate outside of late 2nd quarter.
Obviously his legs are pretty good too.
4-5 in second half, needs to start off much quicker though 6-16 doesn't cut it.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
It did today.
Everyone needs to show patience. He is 3-3 as a starter in the NFL. Name me one qb who was perfect in his first full season as a starter?
Life's too short for bad tone!
Thanks Teleman.
6 games as a starter and the improvement today was pretty big IMO. The whole team played with great intensity the 2nd half to score 31 2nd half points. I don’t care if he was 6 for 30 at that point!
YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
I tell you what...Foxy seemed pretty happy with the kid....pointed out he was 2-1 and will be starter next week.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Im a big critic of Tebow
But he had a great game. He got knocked in the mouth in the first half and he came out and looked great in that first drive of the fourth quarter. After that, the d couldnt blitz as much and that is when the running game completely took over.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 6, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I’m a Tebow critic as well.
Even with the Detroit debacle, I’m pretty firm in being on the Tebow bandwagon. He’s a young QB and will have bad games. But the talent and growth we’ve seen in the three and a half games he’s played should speak volumes to anyone with eyes.
The man’s a competitor. So cliché, but it’s apt enough.
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
What a great team effort
Great to see the team give a full effort for 60 minutes. Champ played great, Mcgahee was a BEAST, and Doom finally got his first sack of the season. As I’ve said all along, Tebow showed improvement this week as expected. His completion percentage needs to get better, but it doesn’t matter if he wins games. And how about the O-line?! They DESTROYED the Raiders D-line the whole game! Just an all around fun game to watch.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Nov 6, 2011 6:18 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Good win guys
I had a feelin the Broncos would win, and I also had a feelin my Chiefs would lose.
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Quit postin AP and it'll stop Cavey
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
*Quit postin on AP
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
LOL
Yeah I quit watching at half time, with Berry gone for the year, and McGraw and J.Arenas out today our secondary got killed.
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Geeeez your secondary got eaten up at home by Matt Moore? Ouch
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yeah McGraw was out, he was playing SS and J.Arenas is our 3rd best CB and he was out.
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need to lay off the valium, bro
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:20 PM MST up reply actions
HUH?
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you sound depressed.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Ha ha
Talking about inferring too much! How can you “hear” depression in the words he wrote?
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
He also sounds like
he might be struggling with his sexuality.
But I am often wrong when diagnosing ol cavey.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
WTF?
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you heard it too?
Sorry caveman, just poking. At least I didn’t try to sell you any car insurance.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:39 PM MST up reply actions
What's wrong with that?
Some people are confused. Don’t mean a thing. It took me a long time to realize that I didn’t like girls OR guys.
:shrug:
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
Embarrassed is more like it.
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Which is why I'm afraid the Broncos may be walking into a buzzsaw next week.
The Chiefs will want redemption. They were embarrassed on their own field by a team that hadn’t beaten anybody until today. Denver better bring their A game and not let this win go to their heads.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
For sure
Dont look past the Chiefs at arrowhead. BIG mistake
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Yup yup. Lets just hope our boys dont look past this Chiefs team that just shut out the Raiders in the hole
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Haha we also have some ballhawks that like playing against inaccurate passers though
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Wakes us up too what?
The fact that one of the league best RBs is gone for the year, or maybe that our TE who was very good at blocking and helping out our RT as well as a reliable 3rd down target is gone for the year. Or maybe Berry our Pro-bowl SS is out for the year and his backup McGraw was out and our 3rd best CB. They don’t need to wake up to anything this team just isn’t good enough with those key players gone.
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Wow Cavey, that's a lot different tune than last week after the Detroit drubbing..
I believe you said something about “giving 3 draft picks for that? I’d be pissed.”
With or without all your injured players if Haley was my coach and we got him free I’d be pissed!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
I'm pissed
There’s a big difference between giving 3 picks for a guy and losing 3 key players for the season. Haley can’t make Cassel read the blitz’s coming, Haley can’t make Battle run the ball like Charles, Haley can’t make O’Connel block like Moeaki, and Haley can’t make our 5th or 6th string CB play SS like Berry. The Chiefs still need quality depth and Haley has said that and continues to say that. The dolphins knew our weakness and exploited it all day, yeah it’s sucks but what can you do. It’s not all on Haley.
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Anyone have a link to after game interviews and pressers?
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
it's not up yet.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
Follow @MHR_Troy
oh, thx
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
by azbroncomaniac on Nov 6, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
Up now...go to www.denverbroncos.com
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
So it looks like indy might get Luck...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Hopefully come draft time we are...meh
At sea level, but I'll always be a mile high.
by DaytonaBronco on Nov 6, 2011 7:04 PM MST up reply actions
And I care why?? j/k Calikula
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 7:11 PM MST up reply actions
hahaha I just dont want Indy to get 2 franchise QBs in a row.
I was pullin for Miami. Im sure their fans were too
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Miami
My bro in law was texting me how pissed he was that his team showed up today and won. Funny times in the NFL.
yeah I havent peeked over at the phinsider yet
but Im sure its the same way. I hope if they get Barkley he’ll work out for them
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
We ran all over Oakland!
Broncos stomped them into the ground in the Black Hole! How about that? 296 yards on the ground… Wow
Palmer avg 3 picks a game, love it!!!
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
He didn't play a full game the first time
So it is a bit high than that.
Just sayin’….
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
Yeah I know.
I’m so happy the Faiders traded for him, always thought he was overrated.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Yeah but it's going to suck playing them once he get the timing down with his WRs.
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Tebow did what he was asked to do. Some of the play calling was ridiculous. We need some quick out routes and quick slants. Two dangerous shovel passes on 3rd and 16. I am very happy that we won. Tim Tebow is one tough SOB. He got the piss beat out of him in the first half and hung in there.
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 6:29 PM MST reply actions
What's dangerous about a shovel pass?
Seems like a safe play call to me. If the runner drops it, it is an incomplete pass.
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
Loved the fat bloody lip they laid on Tebow...
I think that activated his come from behind inner power….
And even more importantly, Tebow is learning to hate the rival Faders!
Tebow hates any opponent
but yet is such a push over as a non football player. Ah the dichotomy which is TT
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
It's one thing to hear about and see the Bronco-Raider rivalry...
But another to experience it directly after they beat him last year and he returned the favor in a FIGHT this year…he will remember the Raiders gave him that bloody lip when he looks in the mirror all week..
actually I thought I saw him in some guy's face for a second or two....Loved that
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I know this is a copy cat league
But what is wrong with being a ground and pound team? I think Fox would prefer it. Our QB adds an extra dimension not only with his own legs, but with just the threat that he may run it. And man, with those ball fakes I saw from Tebow today, I think he will be a GREAT play action passer some day. And of course if a team can sustain drives by the ground they wear out opposing defenses while keeping theirs fresh. Also, I’m pretty sure I am not alone in this, I love our chances when we are in third and short situations.
So why do we want to be like everybody else? Let’s just be us! I am fired up after this one! 298 yards right down the Oakland Raider’s throats!!!!!!!!
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
If you saw the Chargers-Packers game, you’ll see why it’s hard to run the ball. Passing allows for a level of efficiency that’s nearly impossible to match with a running attack, despite Rivers’ 3 picks.
i keep dancing on my own.
We didnst win in Denver until...
Mr Davis and an incrediblly talented offensive line was assembled. Yes I know the rules of the game have been changed drastically over the last 10 years so a great passing game is favored but I ask you this. If you can run the ball consistently, why bother passing more? Nothing destroys a defense more than a 14 play 80 yard, 9 minute drive. NOTHING! Oh yeah and if you can run the ball, you can pass the ball at will. This John Fox hiring may bear really good fruits I am beginning to think.
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Tebow cannot keep up that running punishment but we saw him take a slide today instead of
lowering his shoulder and plowing away.
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
I think that was mostly about staying in bounds
On that topic, what happened when he got back up and kept going? Was he not touched? I have new foster daughters and one has decided she wants to be a Bronco fan. I was too busy with her to see what happened….
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah it was something like that
but idk if he got the extra yardage
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
to Boiler's point
I suppose he could have stayed in bounds with a crushing blow to the Raider defender too…. :)
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
Yea he wasn't touched
So he got up and tried to get a few more yards. But the play stops on a QB slide no matter if they get touched.
I didn't see the getting back up and start running again.....sounds funny
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Yes. That is some improvement
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I think he would rather get hit while running
than while passing. He brings quite a bit to the collision when running.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 6, 2011 6:45 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think he minds getting hit, ever, which is plain scary
but hates giving up the yards from a sack,
Earth to Fox: Let Tebow play his own game.
Shovel pass
I have seen a ton of fumbles on a shovel pass
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 6:37 PM MST reply actions
A staple of Bronco football
Been watching those since Steve Sewell ;)
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
Selection bias
I have a hunch that a shovel pass is no more likely to be fumbled than any other pass and is less likely to be intercepted. Don’t think it is a risky play call at all. But. Just a hunch. I don’t have the access to statistical databases like some people.
Does Chantech ever post here? He’d know.
"Such a strange predicament we find ourselves in / Baby, it's a long way to South America"
hahaha reading the thread at S&B Pride is awesome
they go from confident to total meltdown mode. Wonder how they feel now about “saving” their season with a first and a 2nd for Palmer?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Some are already calling for Hue Jacksons head
carrying on Al’s spirit of firing coaches after 1.5 years
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
I have been watching the broncs since the 70’s. I just think we could come up with something better than that. I thought we executed very well for the most part.
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 6:40 PM MST reply actions
Today's win
I believe that both Tebow and our whole team gained a lot of confidence from this win. I expect us to play much better football the rest of the year.
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 6:43 PM MST reply actions
The win
its was nice to see us we a game like that one to beat the raiders is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
shana_19
Clever Fox Playcall of the game
that third and down when tebow went right out of bounds. I guarantee the strategy was to goad the raiders to get that extra hit in on tebow that they’d been doing all day
VON MILLER
Tebow played much better today but Von Miller was the real story today! That guy is virtually unblockable! When we moved him inside he split double teams with ease!
He is head and shoulders above any other rookie in the league this year!
Von Miller was amazing. Bailey owes him that 2nd INT. Wow. Von is so damn gifted.
Tim Tebow's career record is 2-3. Get a rope!!!
He's so fast I sometimes wonder if he knows the snap count
or gets away with endless offsides penalties
MOZGOD Member #35
He’s just really quick, strong and crafty. That he is a rookie is absurd. He’s going to get better…. think about that.
Tim Tebow's career record is 2-3. Get a rope!!!
My head just exploded
In year 3, just think about how good he will be
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
If we can shore up DT and CB in the draft next year
This defense is going to be scary nasty next year and for years to come
MOZGOD Member #35
not often we get to see him when the team is leading late and those guys can tee off
I think when this team starts leading more frequently we will get to see the full value of Von Miller. He owned the 4th quarter. Doom got going a bit too.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
I would not have guessed he could be as effective inside as he is
It’s a whole nother element to how he can be used!! They can move him around and create mismatches everywhere!!
This is what I envisioned when the Broncos took him---
You have him and Dumerville to move around, PLUS when those guys don’t get through, we see Allen dialing up guys like Dawkins, D.J. Williams. It is awesome to have guys like this on your team because they make everyone else better!
speaking of Allen
nice move to rotate Harris and Dawkins at the safety spot after Moore went out. Love Dawk, but I don’t know if he is coming down with that deflected ball…..
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
looks unblockable on those stunts and twists
Methinks the league is going to have to calculate his contract incentives as averages of top DEs, not OLBs….
Also, I think it was in the fourth, he had a great zone drop which forced Palmer to run with the ball (came up short).
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 6, 2011 7:05 PM MST up reply actions
I saw that play
It’s hard to believe he still has to learn how to play SLB!! WOW
I’m pretty sure Tebow’s NFL record just went to 3-3 in his first 6 starts with two road wins. He is the worst 1st round pick ever and I think someone should take him behind the barn and just put him down.
Man is he fun to watch and he played great today as did several of his teammates. Good team win. Royal and McGahee were huge. O-line (sans Clady) also had a great game. We really had 41 points. 41??? ST made up for a horrible game on that Royal TD.
Still totally unimpressed with Fox game day coaching taking those points off the board, but he’ll get smarter (I hope).
I’m thrilled
Tim Tebow's career record is 2-3. Get a rope!!!
by McGeorge on Nov 6, 2011 7:00 PM MST reply actions 3 recs
Eddie shouldn't be No. 1 receiver now
He should come in as the 3rd WR and just do punt returns exclusively.
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I guess I am one of those stupid ones
I agree there were some head scratchers, but taking the penalty and going for a couple more shots was the right decision, imo. If Tim had completed a pass for a 1st down with 17 seconds left, I would not immediately line up for the kick (except maybe in OT). If the Raiders give us one more chance to plunge the knife in their heart, I say take it. Yeah, we lost those three points and we might have missed them, but I prefer aggessive to passive when there is a reasonable chance for success (and we almost hit the TD twice).
I agreed with that also
I put that more on Prater. You gotta make those kicks man
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I agree too. The penalty put us a lot closer and Prater is usually money from that distance
I liked the coach’s decision nut also liked him saying after the game the dumb coach who took points off the board.
Taking the points off the board was exactly the right thing to do
It gave us another three attempts to add seven rather than three and Prater should have nailed it if we didn’t go in. It showed faih in the offense as a whole and in Tebow in particular to get it done. No chance for people to bleat that he had no faith, doesn’t put him in a good position etc etc. It also sent out a message to the Raiders that we were going after them and that we were going to dictate. It wasn’t the “safe” option or unimaginitve, an opinion some have frequently voiced in your criticsm in the past.
Or does his play calling only meet with approval if he is successful on every decision made?
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by BlobTheMagnificent on Nov 7, 2011 9:04 AM MST up reply actions
Typically that Hoop wouldn’t be around to celebrate. He’s probably sulking in another great Bronco win.
Guess we’ll have to wait for the haters to return when we lose again because they are too sissy to take their medicine.
Tim Tebow's career record is 2-3. Get a rope!!!
by McGeorge on Nov 6, 2011 7:02 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
But it's still great!
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
better
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
by McGeorge on Nov 6, 2011 7:42 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Fox
He has been a head coach for years…lol
You think he would know by now
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 7:02 PM MST reply actions
REALLY interesting comment by Fox
When asked about taking the points off, he at first avoided the question. When pressed on why he did it, he said:
“Well, I was persuaded, but buck stops here so it’s still my fault.”
So sounds like Fox didn’t want to take the points off but someone (McCoy?) talked him into going for the TD. Interesting.
Haha actually yeah probably. I actually still think it was worth the risk – it probably would’ve worked out fine had we not had the stupid holding penalty that made the kick harder for Prater (he still should’ve made it IMO).
I totally liked this call
If we had made the TD, Fox is a genius. If we had re-kicked the FG, we ate any chance the Raiders had to do something after the KO. I way prefer aggressive over conservative in that situation. You have to expect your players to execute.
This might be hard to swallow but
I beleive, in time, Von Miller makes Ayers worth the 1st round pick we spent. With Ayers proividing the rush Ayers ability as a run stopper is really allowed to shine. In addition he is getting into the backfield quicker as well!
Good point Bronx
Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt
by broncofaninIL on Nov 6, 2011 7:18 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, he is. It's like he got punched in the mouth.
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tough dude
Between him and McGahee playing within a week of surgery… We got some tough dudes running this offense. I like it.
Congratulations on the win! You can thank us later for trading Palmer to the Raiders
3 TDs and 2 Ints – that sounds like the Carson I remember. Great win guys.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
by JUNGLEJOHN on Nov 6, 2011 7:28 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Oh yea - make that 3 ints. LOL.
"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"
Should have been more
We could have had 5-6 interceptions if our DBs could catch the damn ball. Palmer was lucky to escape the first quarter without a turnover.
Thats why they are DB's for and not WR's....except for Champ. Anyone else had enough of Goodman?
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Thanks for giving Carson to the Faiders!
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You are welcome.
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That pissed me off…they have no class
by bringbackatwater on Nov 6, 2011 7:34 PM MST reply actions
I LOVE the Tebowing Mile High Salute!
I don’t know what to call it…. but…. I like it.
Denver ha the best end zone celebrations. You can tell because when we are on the road, we do our own celebrations. When other teams visit, they also do our celebrations (looking at you, Detroit). We salute and we Tebow. So do the other teams. We are trendsetters!
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The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
right?!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 7:47 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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I'm rewatching this game with my girls right now...
VERY HAPPY to beat the RAIDERS!!!!!
VERY HAPPY that we’re giving Tebow the plays he needs to succeed! (proud of our coaches!!)
Scared…
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Once Tebow started pulling down those option looks and running, that opened all kinds of wholes for McGahee. The Raiders lost all kinds of gap discipline. They were overrunning, then being hesitant, then being lost. It was glorious. Not sure why it took us three games to let Tebow run those plays, but damn did it work wonders.
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
now watch teams adjust
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 7:50 PM MST up reply actions
yep
Make no mistake, the Raiders did a very poor job of defending the zone read. Future teams will be better prepared.
That said, we kept it fairly vanilla, so we can certainly adjust as well. If we have even moderate success with the ZR, it’ll open up some passing space more for Tebow, and hopefully he’ll start hitting guys more consistently.
They had 2 weeks to prepare...Hue Jackson admitted thats what they prepared for...and still got torched...to thinks its a gadget 1 week thing is wrong....uts something that you can build an offense around and let Tebow improve his weknesses...
Huge props to the coaches…..we can develop Tebow, make him dangerous and still win. I am eating crow happily at the moment!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Champ Bailey.
true but
what exactly were the raiders game planning for today?
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
That is McCoy's challenge, to stay a step ahead
Expect them to adjust and have an answer when they do!
Let's give McCoy some props!! he's been getting very little of late.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 7:58 PM MST up reply actions
He has been getting less than props from me
And I give him props today. We adjusted and used our strengths and ran plays that were not consistently obvious. We even saw halftime adjustments. There were a few head scratchers, but mostly it seemed like we were both prepared and ready to adjust.
I hope this is a trend!
Just wait until Tebow pulls that ball out and drops a pass over the hesitant LBs to Julius Thomas for 30 yards.
Then the option read really takes life. We can adjust too. That is what makes it a hard offense to read Whin. It’s a pick your poison if run correctly.
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
very exciting stuffthere to besure!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
Everybody remember to enjoy watching Champ Baily play!!
He won’t be there when we get good again but he’s a great one!
(Anybody like PPs play today?)
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Here's one from postgame. It's already coagulated.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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I know I'm late, but god "MF" dammit it feels good to beat the Raiders at their house!
I wasn’t able to even watch the game except for tidbits on RedZone Channel on my phone cause I was at work, but when I saw the final score, everyone in my auto shop knew what happened.
I’m expecting the media and everyone to say “Tebow and Denver WIN!”, but this week, I don’t even care, man!
I just want to shout it out!
F*** OAKLAND! GO BRONCOS!!!!!
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by Zogernaut on Nov 6, 2011 8:25 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Apologies in advance for the swearing, but please understand, that is a ton of pent-up tension with all the losing and whatever.
When I'm watching Kyle Orton play quarterback, I can't help but think I'm watching the league's modern-day Steve DeBerg, who was once aptly described by his head coach, Bill Walsh, as "just good enough to get you beat.'' - Don Banks, SI
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"They got Okoye at fullback" - Marc Munford
"I don't give a f**k. He can play wide receiver." Steve Atwater
Love your style Zpg!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Love your last line F**** OAKLAND
My wife was yelling at me for all the F bombs I was lobbing at the TV throughout the game – I finally had to say “You just don’t understand, it’s the f@#King Raiders!!!!!”
Bronco Champions are being forged as we speak.
Exactly
We cuss in our shop, but my co-workers knew today was something special, just because I was carpet-bombing the whole place with f-bombs.
But, it was bad cause I work at Sears Auto, and our shop is connected to the mall, so the whole place was leveled by those same f-bombs.
lol
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"They got Okoye at fullback" - Marc Munford
"I don't give a f**k. He can play wide receiver." Steve Atwater
do we still have Bay-Bay?
just curious.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
This was a great game to win
with everyone losing it’s hard to imagine we’re only one game out of the division. It was also great to finally pound the raiders on the ground like they’ve been doing to us the last few times.
"I couldn't be on defense man, Lynch be hittin' everybody man" - Rod Smith
Next Jays game Wed Aug 11th @ SEA
I made it out of the coliseum alive!!!
by knoepke84 on Nov 6, 2011 8:29 PM MST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
you were wearing face makeup, weren’t you?
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u bad mofo!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
Check your body for stabs and needle pricks...
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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TO THEE HOOOUUUUUSSSEEE! Love it
i justrewatched that!! as you posted it
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 8:46 PM MST up reply actions
Hey, notice how freaking fast Bruton is...he is JOGGING next to Royal and going past him...and Royal is FAST!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
i havebruton's sig on me hat!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:07 PM MST up reply actions
He played well and has been improving...SO fast for a safety!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
Great call. I love hearing Logan's play by play.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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logan’s actually pretty good, huh? he’s kind of a homer but not embarrassingly. he’s a keeper.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
When I'm listening to play-by-play, I don't mind if they're a homer.
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Are you
friggin kidding me! EEEY HAWWW! Made this dismal season worthwhile just for today!!
what's awesome
is that the defense can get A LOT better than today. damn. i like when we win.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
Has anyone already asked?
How’s Tebow do without McGahee today?
Michael Ray Richardson on the Nuggets:
Reporter: What do you think is happening to the team?
Richardson: The ship be sinking.
Reporter: How far can it sink?
Richardson: Sky's the limit.
vice versa?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
bingo!
Without Tebow to force Oakland to contain outside on the ZR, McGahee doesn’t get some of those gaping holes.
absolutely! we USED the spread today!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
I’ve actually never seen an NFL team do what we did today. Not even Vick has run the zone read. Given that Tebow’s size allows him to take hits far easier than most QBs, this needs to be a tool frequently used.
agreed.... but i have zero faith in it working once teams adjust.
SO fun to watch tho and Tebow will improve EVERY WEEK!!
Ron Paul could actually be president and Tebow could Actually be a QB….
Awesome hopes.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:18 PM MST up reply actions
Teams will adjust yeah, but a serious ZR threat will force teams to pretty much play 8 in the box as the ZR options off a defender. If we force teams to do that, we can hopefully take some shots downfield. If Tebow continues improving and can make teams pay for defending the ZR… Well THEN it’ll pay serious dividends.
wouldn't THAT be amazing!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:27 PM MST up reply actions
Ron Paul congratulating Tebow at the White House for a Super Bowl victory.
Why not? Its a mother beautiful thought.
Tebow is the Broncos scapegoat in the end, so bank on him starting for a little while longer.
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WE BEAT THOSE BASTARDS IN THEIR OWN NASTY HOLE!!!
oh, and can i mention that they sold their freaking FUTURE to suck like this? raiders, meet disarray. disarray?… well, you guys have met, right?…
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by oxmouth on Nov 6, 2011 8:47 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
sorry, I'd trade tebow for Palmer in a second... only his 2nd week
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 8:48 PM MST up reply actions
eh. don’t really want to argue tebow v. palmer. (???)
palmer’s 32 and has no left knee. good luck with that trade.
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he'd mentor the qb we draft next year
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
because we need to teach guys how to pout.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
huh?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
c’mon, WB. just sayin. he’s not all that. yeah, he’s better than timmy right now, but… well, he’s not all that. no?
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
actually i'm a pretty big fan of his...
hate seeing him in black and silver
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
i was too. but man that’s been a long time, seems like. dude’s on his 10th year in the league. i still think he can be something but he’s not getting any younger and they gave up couple of draft years for him. i guess to their credit though, the raiders have always had the annoying knack of resurrection. jerks.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
actually they usually ruin them lol....
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:36 PM MST up reply actions
arrrgh Jarvis Moss...
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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rice romo woodson
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 PM MST up reply actions
did rice retire as a bronco? i mean, was that his last hurrah—getting cut by shanny? sad.
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Hah! jarvis. i was thinking more plunkett, gannon and hostetler et al…
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:44 PM MST up reply actions
He's doing more for them than he ever did for the Broncos
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
untrue. don't spew the heads shpiel...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:05 PM MST up reply actions
Show me stats where he’s had one good season since the injury… He just hasn’t – he throws tons of interceptions. He also just doesn’t have a cannon for an arm like he used to. He may prove to be an upgrade over Jason Campbell eventually, but that’s not saying much. Palmer will never make another pro bowl in his career.
let's hope not but look who he played for
he’s a classy/quality QB
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:16 PM MST up reply actions
He played well for Cincinnati before the injury though. He made Ochocinco and Housh look like good WRs. He just doesn’t have that elite ability anymore, it just seems people haven’t figured that out.
There’s a difference between not playing so great because your team sucks, and flat out missing receivers all over the place. He did the latter all last year for Cincinnati – wildly inaccurate. Painful to watch really.
true but the whole team was in disarray
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
I guess we just disagree. Saw your comment above that you hate seeing him in Silver and Black – me personally I loved it. I loved seeing Oakland give up 2 1st rounders for a washed-up (in my opinion anyways) and past-his-prime QB. I was looking forward to playing him today because I figured he’d hand our defense a couple picks like usual.
I DO think it’s sad though that Palmer’s career may never get back to where it was before the injury. People forget that Cincinnati team was EXPLOSIVE for awhile. GUy was considered one of the best 2-3 in the league for a year or two.
i hope you're right about Palmer AND Tebow Scooter.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
It'll end up bein a 1st and a 2nd
the conditional 2nd is only if they make the AFC championships 2 years in a row. So yeah, that’s not happening. However, they dont have ANY picks in the 1st 3 rounds next year. So awesome
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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-Seanbaby
Ah yeah, my mistake
Haha only the Raiders would burn two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd on Carson Palmer and Terrelle Pryor.
So awesome.
true awesome... unless he plays like the palmer of old or teaches pryor...
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 PM MST up reply actions
Yep yep!!
Here’s to his continued improvement.
gotta root for this kid like crazy!!
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by Whidbey Bronco on Nov 6, 2011 9:37 PM MST up reply actions
he’s weird. but he kind of grows on you.
"Well, it's not like we signed him off the street..." — J. Fox
like a dermatophyte.
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 7, 2011 12:28 AM MST up reply actions
he almost has half a season under his belt!
Tebow is the Broncos scapegoat in the end, so bank on him starting for a little while longer.
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Awesome. The football Gods have smiled on me this weekend
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
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-Seanbaby
Good Job Broncos!!
My 2nd garenteed Bronco Tv game is a victory and I can sport my Bronco gear with pride. Ohh man I can hear the bail bonds men phones a ringing all through out Raider land tonight. Sorry to all the wives that will get beet on this sad cold night in the Nation. Boohoo
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what is wrong with beets? Loaded with nutrients and a great part of any diet.
Don’t forget to boil up the greens as well! nomnomnom
Perseverance, secret of all triumph.
by Jeremy Bolander on Nov 7, 2011 12:32 AM MST up reply actions
i saw a team today!
my hats off to the broncos today. this was a team win today.
Bad weather fan?
Is it just me, or have you noticed that some guys only post when the Broncos do bad?
Didn't see this coming
I thought the Broncos were toast, but I was oh so wrong
A stat which Tebow haters want to ignore
Since the beginning of the 2009 season the Denver Broncos have played 40 regular season games as of yesterday;
Records as a starter:
Kyle Orton 12-21
Tim Tebow 3-3
Dude Never Gave Up
I think the team fed off it. I wonder where “heart” factors into talent, skill, experience, etc.
Wow this place is Bi Polar
The only reason we won this game, is because a majority of the Raiders players are idiots.
Great running game though by the Broncos and taking advantage.
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C'Mon Waterboy...the ONLY reason? Thats the most short sighted comment I have seen for a while, and you are a smarter fan than that man!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
Champ Bailey.
okay no, but I thought it played a major role in the game. Broncos rushed well and got some big plays, but their offense was rushing the ball at will against us and if not for carson palmer being dumb we could not stop them.
Just trying to bring ppl back to earth around here, we lost by like 50 points last week and we go in and beat a disfunctional Raiders team and now ppl are talking about how we are one game back and Tebow haters need to shut up
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 7, 2011 7:45 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing new..
The raiders always make dumb penalties. That hasn’t stopped them from owning us the past 2 years. This was a good win, any way you look at it.
Denver had 11 penalties for 100 yards. You think that helped us?
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
I think it was 93 yards. And they had 130 Yards!!! Their offense still outgained our offense.
We played great yes…but wow one game stay on an even keel
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 7, 2011 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
They also threw ints
you will end up with more passing yards when you gamble more with posses, as Palmer did. His two best passes were just huge gambles that paid off. I’ll take what Tebow’s serving when it comes without turnovers.
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 7, 2011 11:04 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
What makes this win even sweeter for me is....
That my brother is a HUGE Raiders fan and was at the game on the 11th row. His wife bought him tickets for graduating from college. I sure enjoyed letting him have it after hearing it on opening night!
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