Poll: Can Tim Tebow Lead The Broncos To The Playoffs In 2011?
by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 1:01 PM MST
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Skip Bayless said that Tim Tebow can lead the Broncos to the playoffs, this season. As I watched ESPN's First Take, I figured that Skip would be on board with Tebow - he always is - but I didn't quite expect him to take it that far.
Now, far be it from me to say that Tim Tebow "can't" or the Denver Broncos "can't". . But in the words of Jim Mora, "PLAYOFFS? PLAYOFFS? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAYOFFS?"
The Broncos are currently 1 game out of first place in the AFC West. That's partially due to the fact that Tim Tebow is 2-1 as a starter and partially because the rest of the division is, for lack of a better word, bad. But do we really think that the Denver Broncos are playoff worthy? Just last week, there were a vast majority of people wondering if Tebow could play the position, at all. Even on Sunday morning, people on twitter were discussing possible scenarios that would put Brady Quinn into the mix.
It's Monday and everything is different. According to Mr. Bayless, we have playoff aspirations. Personally, I think that 6 wins would be a successful record for this team. I'm all about optimism and aspirations, but I'm more interested in facts and reality, as well. I don't believe that we'll make the playoffs in 2011, but I'd be happy to eat crow. So, what do you think, Broncos fans?
Can they? Sure, they "can"... but "will they"? Will the Denver Broncos make the playoffs? Explain your answer in the comment section.
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The Raiders are a quality team (not same level as Packers or Lions, not many are) and the Broncos showed how a modified zone-option play can wreck havock for a defense, especially when they have to decide between defending McGahee up the middle (or off tackle) or defend Tebow around the end. As long as the defense and Tebow’s passing continues to improve, the Broncos will be in the hunt for the division title.
by Christopher Shaw on Nov 7, 2011 1:07 PM MST reply actions
Nobody denies the quality of the team we've just beat...
But 1 game is 1 game. Do it regularly is another thing…
I don’t expect a playoff season this year. Actually, I don’t care even about with which record we’ll end. I just want to some a little improvement each day, and a solid team playing a fair shot against our entire schedule even if we lose it all.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 7, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
we just need to be 1-0 for the next few weeks.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Its not so much about Denver WINNING the division...
its about SD, KC, and Jokeland LOSING the division..
..We're 3-13 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Well
the St. Louis Cardinals going 1-0 every night since mid-August worked pretty well fro them!
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Yes it did!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
Fabio,
you just hit the nail on the head perfectly, my friend.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
This is called a "Push Poll"
The only people who respond to push polls are “dupes”.
Those who give push polls are called “hacks”.
The responses and gathered data have no practical use since a “yes” or “no” to the question is simply used to generate hype in one direction or another. It is a telemarketing device to influence and drive popular perception, not a gauge or even a snapshot of current views of what the future of Denver’s success should be.
If the Broncos don’t make the playoffs this year, should Tebow be axed?
That too is a “Push poll” that garners a “false choice” to give a predetermined response.
It inherently adds nothing to the debate but provides “atmospherics”.
.... Didn't you just 'respond' to it, technically?
Just sayin’. Dupes and hacks eh? Anywhoo. Let’s not get on a Broncos blog to diatribe. Or at least, that’s not the point of it’s existence. But yeah, anwyay… That’s just my opinion.
I don’t see how your comment has any ‘practical use’ either.
I just don’t get it. Are you trying to prove to someone that you’re better than someone else?
I believe that is the majority of the point, is to garner perspective, and share opinions, not to ‘dog on’ posts, or contributors to the site. You really lost me with what the point of your comment is, is all.
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 7, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If you're really interested in the State of Tebow Nation...
You don’t run the above poll.
You run something like the poll question below:
“How many wins does Tebow need as a starter this season to be guaranteed the starting QB position next season?
a) 3 or less
b) 5
c) 6
d) 7
e) 8 or more
d) did not answer
************************
A fair poll question like the one above would offer as many answers as possible rather than trying to pigeon-hole and force respondents into a predetermined answer (which would then be used to “push” whatever prejudices the pollster and his clients wanted).
The above poll allows for the respondent to “opt out”…which is especially fair considering internet polls are inherently unscientific because they rely on swarm behaviour rather than random data sets. It previews a mostly open ended list of answers with an honest open-ended question. It is certainly more “fair” than the closed-minded “Yes” or “No” poll that is being “pushed” (intentionally or unintentionally) in this post.
by Rickart on Nov 7, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
That makes sense, and I agree, I would have preferred the poll you present, as opposed to one that is ‘black and white’ as it were.
But your comment did come off as a ‘better than thou’ kinda deal, and I had to clarify. I’m glad you did too.
Again, none of Us should be here to jump down each other’s throats or anything, and in retrospect, that’s almost what I could have been perceived as doing to you, but respectively, that’s what I thought you were doing with your original comment. I guess fight fire with fire is a weak-sauce excuse, but yeah… I’ll stop rambling now. Perhaps, there should at least be a third option in the current poll – something like “I wish”, that would at least leave a gray area answer.
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 7, 2011 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Hufford's poll is at best "ill-advised" and at worst "sabotage"
The objective assessment is that it’s “unhelpful”.
You’re a Tebow fan, so I’ll put it to you in terms of helping your favorite QB (nothing wrong with having favorites):
The Broncos brass hates Tebow. I’m a sports professional and even I know this (that might seem counterintuitive to you but believe me it’s not – it’s not a typo).
You, however, like Tebow and you want him to succeed. Fair enough.
Here’s the question for Tebow fans: “How are you going to help Tebow”?
And the answer is: By leveraging your power to make a deal on Tebow’s behalf.
In fact, Broncos fans have already done this – even though it was largely unpoken with no signatures affixed to a contract, it was very real nonetheless. The deal that Tebow fans have already pulled off was presaged by the following poll question:
“How many losses does Orton need as a starter this season to be replaced by Tebow?
a) 1
b) 2
c) 3
d) 4
e) 5 or more
f) did not answer
The answer, as it turned out, was (d). But the reason it was (d), the reason Tebow got the start ahead of Quinn, the reason Tebow remains the starter after the Detroit debacle, was because Broncos fans at large – and Tebow fans specifically – “leveraged” their power in the market.
There was no contract signing or receipt.
But it’s very real.
It still is.
So quit pining with these useless polls and start asking serious questions about Tebow fandom, because I can tell you that the Broncos and even the NFL aren’t the only ones making the reads, but so are the other sports around the world including the NBA, MLB and even Rugby (no joke).
They’re watching to see if a “Good Guy” with the right character and the wrong skills will be able to keep his fans just as much as a “Bad Felon” with the right skills will be able to keep his. Even if he ultimately fails, Tebow will give us an answer to the state of this trend.
And the only way that trend continues is if Tebow’s fans learn to leverage their bargaining power intelligently – and communicate it clearly as they did when he wasn’t the starter.
If they don’t, then the Broncos, the NFL and the rest of the sports world can do away with Tebow even if he takes the Broncos to a winning season.
After all – he didn’t get them to the playoffs!
Anything else you'd like to call me? Honestly, I'm not sure what kind of negative experience you've had with yes/no polls in the past, but I assure you that I'm not trying to endanger anyone's lives with this poll.
It is purely for informational purposes to fuel my dastardly plots to take over the world curiosity.
All the best,
The Hufford Hack
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions 9 recs
How much does it cost to keep Tebow?
How many wins does Tebow need before the Broncos decide they can’t afford to fire him?
How many losses does it take to demoralize his fans enough to allow the Broncos to get rid of him?
"How much does it cost to keep Tebow?"
The answer is not "Yes" or "No"
Money is the language everyone speaks – and numbers the only agreed-upon alphabet.
More numbers.
Less BS.
Here's a number. 46% of the 794 people to take this poll think that the Broncos will make the playoffs.
Simple Boolean. An Engineer’s dream.
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Engineers don't use algebraic formulas in Boolean these days as it doesn't work well in a recursive dynamic system.
It really is a question of correlating functions and their inflections at the points of stability/instability…
or so I’ve been told ^_-
Oh one other thing.
Test Engineers are the Engineering World’s version of the Political World’s “Pollsters”.
Test Engineers don’t generate input-output data sets before outlining a project’s requirements usually from the customer.
If you want to ask a question as an engineer, find out the overriding requirements of your customer base, THEN ask the most concise questions, fit the solution to the “problem” according to customer needs, prototype it, and test it.
Don’t try to lead the customer with leading questions. There’s a big difference to figuring out what customers want when they don’t know what they want for themselves, and trying to fit conclusions into questions your customers never asked.
There are a bunch of different engineers solving a bunch of different problems.
As for correlating functions and their inflections at points of stability/instability, that’s a branch of engineering that has real world applications for many controls engineers. Booleans have implications with controls engineering, as well. If the setpoint of your thermostat is 75 degrees, a boolean operator would see if that temperature is reached. Is it at least 75 degrees, yes or no? Yes, then 0… do nothing. No, then 1.. turn on the heater and get this place toasty. The characteristics of the controller response is due to a number of variables in a first order system, namely k and tau, so you are correct in the assertion that engineers use functions to assess the control of a dynamic system. But control systems are always going to have a disturbance, some of which can be rejected by the boolean and others that cannot.
And that’s just Controls Engineering. Don’t get me started on computer engineering or electrical engineering. Or even any situation in which you’d use labview.
So, if I’m thinking of MHR as a giant control system, the disturbance is the total history of this 2011 season as the results of each game come forth and the controller boolean is my poll question. Based on the disturbance, MHR will answer yes or no. If yes, then we’re on pace for a happy season ending. If no, then we’re not. Good news is that this is a closed loop system and the question remains for next week. After we see the results of the next game, the response of MHR may change. Maybe it’ll be 90% playoffs next week. Maybe it’ll be 100% we suck and won’t make the playoffs? I don’t know. That’s why I asked. As for my question being the controller… it’s not propaganda. It’s just a question. It’s set to take in the responses of MHR, show the output and go back into the closed loop.
Again, any thing else, please email me. Thanks.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Add to the fact that the NFL is under severe economic pressure (all PR pronouncements to the contrary)...
The worst thing that could possibly happen is for somebody like Xanders to miscalculate…which he is perfectly capable of doing. He’s largely been carried by events rather than leading them. He’s handled the Broncos’ problems (of which Tebow is only one) not by dealing with them but by "wishing" them to go away.
Again: it does nobody any favors to help a "leader" like that debase an NFL team.
Clear the air.
Bronco fans (and Tebow fans) should set their own realistic, empirical expectations with options to match if he does or doesn’t meet them, communicate those expectations intelligently to the Broncos one way or another, and be done with – then watch the season play out.
Otherwise, you’ll continue to see Tebow under threat with a manic leadership that jumps at shadows every time a QB struggles.
Xanders would like nothing better than for the fans to set no standards for Tebow’s firing and another QB’s hiring (goes to show the lack of leadership style he’s got). That way, he can pretend he has carte blanc in making any changes he wants in the off-season.
The problem with that world-view is that it’s a self-serving, self-aggrandizing illusion of his own making. Plenty of people in the Broncos organization are afraid that Xanders might actually say “To hell with it, we’re axing Tebow; I don’t care what he did this season” and force them to explain his fiat to the fans. Then when the fans don’t react positively to the news, they’ll be blamed for the fallout. Xanders will be in the clear – he thinks (as delusional as that sounds).
If you want Tebow to be the QB next season, make the case with sound numbers so people in the organization (some of them Mcdaniels acolytes) can make THEIR case to Xanders.
And if you don’t want Tebow to be QB next season, make THAT case with sound numbers and force the discussion in the open.
Because contrary to what Broncos management thinks, this situation of “limbo” doesn’t help anybody – not even the Broncos GM.
As for your other questions....
He’s still under his rookie contract and will probably be back next season, pending a cut or trade.
If you asked this question to John Fox, what would he say? “It is what it is. I can’t predict the future.”
Again, if you asked this question to John Fox, what would he say? “It is what it is. I can’t predict the future.”
And, again, Tebow is under contract.
Those aren’t yes or no answers because they weren’t yes or no questions. My poll, however, was a simple yes/no question, so it deserves a yes/no answer.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You're setting up a false conceptual inversion of what I said
I didn’t “accuse” you of asking a question to find out an answer.
I “accused” you of deciding the answer before making up the question to fit a preconceived objective.
It’s called “Push Polling”.
Well, I disagree with your accusations, but I'm willing to discuss it via email, if you so choose.
t.hufford@hotmail.com or you can use the button at the bottom of the page.
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So I can "accuse"
you of trolling, right? Your initial comment served absolutely zero purpose to begin with, and here a half a page later we sit. Go be bored on someone else’s time.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
by postpunk27 on Nov 7, 2011 11:29 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah and now my head hurt too.
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Disclaimer: Comments above are not meant to be taken with a grain of salt.
Hey bud, give it a rest.
MHR doesn’t need to whore for traffic. FanPosts are a great way for you to grab a soapbox – rather than hijack a post to attack the author of said post.
by Tim Lynch on Nov 7, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
hahahahaha
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hahahahaha.... oh Tim... you know that I put my machete away after halloween. It's slow death by scissors month.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Smarter than everyone else
You sound like a push “pole” to me…
signed Dupes and Hacks
TEBOW!!!!!
by turnman on Nov 7, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
If you want to drive interest in the Broncos generally and Tim Tebow specifically...
The best way to do it is to do it with some modicum of intelligence and seriousness.
I’ll chalk the Hufford’s poll as a “gaffe”.
Put it this way:
It does nothing to help the Broncos or Tebow by trying to set up a hype of expectations. All it does is start a vicious cycle of unrealistic hype and standards which will crush Tebow and the Broncos’ marketability in the long run. The disfavor of Michael Vick and the collapse of the Eagles is merely a recent prism through which this can be predicted.
From a personal standpoint, Vick deserves his unpopularity.
Tebow doesn’t.
So stop with the ridiculous hype unless you’re intention is to destroy Tebow and demoralize his fans.
I happen to think that the poster means only to hype things up and drive traffic which is his perogative.
Troy doesn't think about hype and traffic. Really, he doesn't.
If you follow Twitter you know how many people are thinking playoffs now. Troy wanted to find out if they are in the majority, but then again he is just a hack to you so why don’t you write a FanPost and show us how a real stud like you would do it.
Honestly, I wanted to measure the pulse of Broncos Country.
Skip illustrated a point and I wanted to see what people thought of it. Yes or no polls can pigeon hole opinions, sometimes, but that’s why I asked to “explain in the comments” what you thought. So, you could say “yes, we’ll make the playoffs because everyone in the AFC West sucks”, that’s not really pigeon holing you, is it?
And if you just wanna vote and say yes or no, that’s fine too. I could really care less what you think of the poll, I just wanted to know what you thought of the Broncos playoff hopes. No more, no less.
And Tim’s right. I don’t care about hype and traffic. Follow me on twitter and you can find out. :O
See what I did there? hahaha
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As stated above, the poll is unhelpful.
The real question that everyone is asking in the NFL is whether or not “Tebow’s fanbase” is just a fad or if it’s a serious force to be “negotiated” with – and what the terms of the contract will be.
What would it take for NFL fans to drop Tebow, allowing the Broncos to do away with him without suffering unacceptable financial consequences in a constricting economy?
How many wins would Tebow need to convince fans to “buy into” him and make the financial costs of firing him prohibitive?
People who “traffic” can either help us figure that out…or you can help muddy the waters.
This is what the “Tebow question” is really about in the sportsworld….completely unrelated to the stuff you see on television about his throwing mechanics and reads.
It’s about money (imagine that).
We’re trying to gauge how serious Tebow, Bronco and football fans are about this issue which is somewhat unrelated to on-field sports.
It’ll “help” the NFL make the better read (it’ll also help them save money and embarassment).
The best way to do that is by watching merchandise sales, sponsorship, ticket sales, etc – and by asking the fans themselves in large samples – even if some of them aren’t random sets.
Empirical questions (“how many wins?”) are helpful because “hard numbers” are a language everyone can agree on.
“How much does it cost to keep Tebow?”
The answer is not “Yes” or “No”
Give us a number.
I think you're just interested in a different set of data than I am.
I’m only interested in whether or not the Broncos make the playoffs. If you don’t think they will, say no and explain why. If you do think they will, say yes and explain why. I’m not bothering with economics in this poll because that’s not what I’m interested in, right now.
Is the Tebow thing a fad or a force to be reckoned with? What does that have to do with real, on the field results? Nothing. Who cares what the Tebow thing is? We’ll find out when we find out. There are people who root for Tebow because he’s Tebow. There are people who hate Tebow because he’s Tebow. But I think the vast majority of us on MHR just want the Broncos to win, Tebow or no Tebow.
I think you’ve got it twisted when you think this poll “muddies the waters”. It’s a question with actual on-field ramifications. Either the Broncos win enough games to make the postseason or they don’t. It’s not meant to be a complicated poll. It’s meant to be simplistic, allowing the comments to take a life of their own and enrich the conversation. Personally, I couldn’t care less what merchandise sales and sponsorships arise from Tim Tebow being on the field. What I want to know is whether or not the Denver Broncos will make the playoffs. That’s the only question of concern, for me.
Empirical questions are helpful. You’re right about that. But the fact of the matter is that people can twist empirical answers to suit their own personal bias. One guy can say “Tebow’s TD to turnover ratio is really good. It’s a lot better than Peyton Manning’s, therefore, the numbers say that he’ll be better than Peyton”. Another guy can say “Tebow has thrown for under 50% completions, therefore, he sucks and will be gone in the offseason”.
Empirical questions with definitive answers aren’t necessarily agreeable with “everyone”. It’s all biased. Everything has bias, numbers, yes/no answers, your favorite flavor of yogurt.
What the heck does money have to do with making the playoffs? Nothing. You’re thinking of different questions, which is fine, but it doesn’t invalidate the questions that I have. All the questions should be asked. If you have a different question, make a fanpost and ask it.
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There are much better ways of gauging the value of your house than looking for a goldmine in the basement.
There are better ways of gauging the Tim Tebow Broncos than whether or not they’ll make the playoffs. And the playoffs are as much statistical outlier as a Goldmine in my basement. Its improbable appearance should have no bearing on the assessment of the house’s value. The “chance” of these improbabilities are meant to enthrall potential buyers with a fantasy.
It’s ridiculous, irrelevant and unnecessary.
And yes, I know your poll was aimed obliquely at the question of Tebow (what isn’t with the Broncos organization these days?)
He’s a commodity that should be on call for the season and his stock is rising but for how long? As any investor will attest, using the “playoffs” bait to inflate a bubble is irresponsible because it will burst leading to the collapse of even fundamentally solid assets.
Forcing “investors” to go “all-in for the playoffs” or “bust” on Tebow is no way to manage an asset. Parabolic rises are ultimately damaging to any stock including his – you’re literally setting him up for an “over-correction”.
Don’t do it.
It doesn’t help anyone – not even his detractors in the NFL. An over-leveraged fanbase in Tebow stock is almost as bad as a Media over-leveraged in Tebow derivitaives invested in his failure.
Find the fair price.
Find the numbers.
And let his rise come gradually –gain to sustain.
I think
it has to be one of the old Orton jockstrap carriers under a new handle.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
to be clear...
nothing on this site does anything to help, or hurt, the broncos…it’s a fan site, not a weight room or film session. You can literally post anything you want and it will have absolutely no effect on the win/loss record of the Denver Broncos
by MontuckyDonkey on Nov 7, 2011 4:30 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
hahahahaha
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I agree with your point and I hate the use of pols on serious news sites. However this is a fun fan site and your comments dont fit the venue. They kind of make you seem like jerk.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 7, 2011 3:23 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
This fansite - like all others - takes itself seriously too often to cry "Don't listen to us; we're incompetent!"
Or are you suggesting that MHR hosts are too intellectually deficient to be taken seriously?
In some respects, you may be correct.
But I’ll give Hufford the benefit of the doubt and take his poll at face-value:
He made a mistake.
He should correct it by asking more intelligent questions (unless his readership truly is too dumb to appreciate the repercussions of serious questions).
If I were a Broncos fan (I’m not) I’d feel insulted at being treated like a dupe and given a push polling. I wasn’t kidding when I said that push polls are commonly used in marketing (including NFL marketing) on the dupes of the world; the suckers; the gullible; the weak-minded.
There are two reasons why Hufford wouldn’t correct this error (or mistake).
1) He thinks his readership is too stupid to handle serious questions.
2) He’s an insecure person who’s afraid intelligent questions will attract people smart enough to challenge his world-view.
To Rickart:
I would just like to read and comment with other fans without having to waste a good 30 seconds scrolling down past your attempts to be a douchbag. So if you would please STFU and not come back on this site seeing how you aren’t even a Broncos fan, I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you——Bronco Mike
by Bronco Mike on Nov 8, 2011 2:28 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Or 3) He's really just interested in whether or not the Broncos make the playoffs, based on what the readers have seen, thus far.
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I see where you are going with this.
You are basically here to insult sports fans in general for being sheep lead my marketing ploys. My response would be that you need to lighten up a bit. I spend plenty of time studying and researching current events, politics, social issues and what not. However, being a sports fan in general and participating in this venue in particular is a way for people to put more serious issues aside to find comradery regarding an activity that is less serious and has far less consequences than politics, religion and other such issues. If you feel that these activities are a waste of time then that is your right. However if you think we are all stupid and the only reason we enjoy sports is because of marketing, then you certainly dont understand the tribal psychology behind sports and how these urges to unite arbitrarily around a competitive situation are a deep part of our evolutionary history. People find enjoyment in these activities for a lot of reasons, but that doesnt mean that in other venues, they are not deep thinking people and have well thought out positions regarding serious current events. This venue is a place where we leave that stuff at the door and come together as fans of team. Live and let live and dont be so judgmental. You will have a happier life as a result.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 8, 2011 7:44 AM MST up reply actions
Don't you seem to big for your britches it comes across insulting and arrogant to make a big deal out of the poll
push-polling my butt. You do not even seem to know what it means.
Its not like the OP here made a fake poll just to put up a negative point.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_pollA push poll is a political campaign technique in which an individual or organization attempts to influence or alter the view of respondents under the guise of conducting a poll. In a push poll, large numbers of respondents are contacted, and little or no effort is made to collect and analyze response data. Instead, the push poll is a form of telemarketing-based propaganda and rumor mongering, masquerading as a poll. Push polls may rely on innuendo or knowledge gleaned from opposition research on an opponent. They are generally viewed as a form of negative campaigning.
A push poll would be something along the lines of " Did you know that Heisman Trophy winners have very low success rates in the NFL as do passers that are under 50% passing completions in the first year. Tim Tebow is a former Heisman Trophy winner and has a 45% completion percentage. How may games will be be the starter this season before he is replaced as the starting quarterback? That would be more along the lines of a push poll where negative comments are inherent in the message in the guise of a poll.
by Kosty on Nov 8, 2011 8:58 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
So can we ban this guy yet?
He’s not a Broncos fan, he’s hijacked this post, and in general he’s being a gigantic douche
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by Calikula on Nov 8, 2011 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Is this heykyle/rocko?
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The irony is
your post added nothing to the debate either, not even “atmospherics.” Nice work.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
I generally don't like polls...
But the purpose was to spur conversation, and it was successful in that regard.
by Velveeta on Nov 8, 2011 5:24 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
I really want it to make it, but not expecting it........
Why???
We have a tough schedule ahead and we would have to win the remainder of our AFC-West games.
But I’m really high on where this team will be in the next 2 years. If we add a couple talented young players on the D-Line and LB I really think we created the base for a playoff contender for years.
I would stick with Tebow for now and wait until year end to see what do we get on him and just then make any judgments, so far I think he’s doing fine, couple overthrows some missing reads, but I like the most what he bring to the table on leadership and really expect him to keep improving week after week.
That's it
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 7, 2011 1:46 PM MST up reply actions
I think the d-line is good enough to make it to the playoffs.
The only thing that concerns me is Mays and Goodman. If I were the chiefs I’d go after Goodman with Baldwin or Breaston all game long. No chance Goodman keeps up with either one.
by tiderfootball09 on Nov 7, 2011 4:41 PM MST up reply actions
Step back a moment
It was one game. Tebow still needs a lot of work in the passing game. He’s getting better, but he’s also only one piece of a team that rarely fires on all cylinders. The entire team has to get a lot better, and be consistent, before we can think about the postseason.
Was yesterday exciting? Yes. But don’t jump to conclusions. We have a long way to go.
by DBroncoFan on Nov 7, 2011 1:09 PM MST reply actions 12 recs
Exactly.
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
This
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 7, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
Depends more on the Chargers than the Broncos
This is a very young team just starting to get a sense of itself. Our young QB is just starting to get a sense of what the NFL is all about. The new coaching staff is just starting to learn the real abilities and short comings of the players on the roster. I do expect to Broncos to perform far better in the second half of the season. We get the Chiefs twice, the bears and vikes and another shot at the chargers. Thanks to a little Tebow magic we came real close to beating the Chargers the first time, if we can pull that upset off the next time then ending the season at 8-8 is a real possiblity and may be good enough for a playoff berth.
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The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.
I hope that was the point
To sarcastically make people think about the realistic expectations.
I expected Tim to be about 50-50 when starting this year. He is 2-1, so ahead of pace at the moment. Even at 6-5, combined with 1-4, we are 7-9 and probably sitting home.
I really hope we make incremental improvement in A LOT of areas each week! Our D is better than last year and our O is very young!
I voted no. I really hope he does, but let's be realistic. Look. At. The. Schedule.
by Tim Lynch on Nov 7, 2011 1:09 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
hahaha, I see what you did there.
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Picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue...
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sniffing?
I think he has laced his kool aid.
But what the hell – We are 11-5 until we are not.
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Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
I can't even try to say we're 11-5 until we are not. lol
If only cause I don’t know the F I am going to see from this team each and every week..
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Do we really want to pull a Seahawks this year because our division is bad?
This would really ruin our draft for next year as we’d be picking much later than we should just because we won a crappy division.
I voted Yes
Yes we’ve been embarrassed. Yes we’ve been battered and broken. Yes Tebows been great and bad.
But honestly I’m not expecting us to make the playoffs. But anything can happen. You just don’t know. Our division is up for grabs and if we as a team play like we did yesterday. We might and I say might lightly, have a shot at this thing. One game at a time. As long as Tebow keeps progressing and getting better.
Mile High Salute
Sure we can get in since we're talking AFC West here but what then?
I’m afraid we set ourselves up for disappointment by having unrealistic expectations for this team. It’s been beaten to death around here how many problems we have. Beating the Raiders is nice but those problems haven’t gone away. I just want to see them take it one game at a time and continually improve across the board and not just at the QB position. I still believe we need 2 or 3 more solid drafts to truly fix what ails the Broncos.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
I still say we'll be around a .500 team...
but not in the playoffs. So TT will not lead us anywhere- if we don’t go. I don’t know who will represent the AFC Worst, but I think the other 3 teams are better, durn it. It might even be worse if we do get in, because that will stoke unreasonable expectations. Tim is still less than a 50% passer, we lack a good D line push, and we have, uh, “issues” all around the team. But it was fun to watch the Raid-uhs get whupped by us.
Tim is a 50% passer
by choice, and that is why he doesn’t their picks. Carson Palmer threaded the needle (luckily) because that’s how he rolls, and the picks he threw come with that. Tebow could easily be well above 50% if you preferred the 2-3 picks that would come with that.
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 7, 2011 1:41 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
????
OK, just a little blind hero worship going on here. Tebow has some serious accuracy problems that must be addressed if he is going to remain a starting QB. Fortunately, his problems are actually fairly fundimental and can be worked out in the offseason if he continues to progress through this season.
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The goal is not to win games,
the goal is to become champions.
Yah
Choosing not to throw consistently into tight coverage is one thing (ala Cutler), but missing wide open guys by a lot is something else. Tim needs improvement, but I think he is getting it a little at a time. Our biggest problem is that NONE of us know WHAT exactly they are asking him to improve on, so it is hard to measure. Each time you work on something new, something old suffers a bit. I suspect some of the issues we have seen are the result of Tim putting effort into changing something that is not real evident right now.
Missing wide open receivers or consistently throwing behind receivers is real bad
NFL quarterbacks need to hit wide open guys or throw to where the receivers are going to be successful.
Hopefully those accuracy problems for wide open receivers and short crossing routes will get better with more game experience and more reps.
No
but 6-10, 7-9 is still entirely within reach. Theres too many holes on D and O to win the west. Of course, the way the rest of AFC west has been playing, maybe 6-10 will take the division ;)
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Yup. Keeping my expectations realistic
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No, because of the schedule
The first half was the “easiest”, if we can call it this way…
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 7, 2011 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
Meh
We will be dogs in almost every contest. No problemo. We will sneak a few. As long as we look like we want to fight and get better… Broncos are geting better!
Ditto!
That’s exactly my expectations.
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by Fabio Broncos on Nov 7, 2011 6:29 PM MST up reply actions
I'm gonna say no
while it feels great to be the Raiders, I feel they’re one in a handful of teams who could’ve lost to the read option that badly. They’re not bad but they showed they lack discipline.
Its still a little early to say though, and my answer could change in a couple weeks. My answer is no right now because of how we won, but what is getting lost in the shuffle is Tebow’s improvement as a passer. He was efficient, nothing more and nothing less. But it was a lot more then last week. If he continues to improve, I will say yes, but right now a 125 yard passer won’t cut it for the playoffs, not even in our putrid division.
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
I love how we were talking last week about the season being over
and not having a chance of making the playoffs. Now that seems to have changed. I hope we make it, but I don’t think we will.
Way more fun than the slow train to Ortonsville, though
Isn’t it? :)
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by broncosmontana on Nov 7, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I voted no.
I think we will be in the mix until the last week or two of the season, but looking at our schedule and our roster as it is now, I just don’t see enough wins there to get into the postseason this year.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Nov 7, 2011 1:17 PM MST reply actions
In most circumstances I would say that could never happen.
But with Tebow’s skillset we may be able to have longer lasting success with it. There are not many QBs with his combination of size, speed and power. I think his physical gifts may make this a viable offense as long as Tebow is the one running it. But I still don’t think we make the playoffs until next season at the earliest. We need at least one more good draft.
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by the_prodigal_fan on Nov 7, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions
I don't see the option read as anything other than an attempt to buy time and still be able to compete.
Tebow is improving in his throwing, but the Broncos still want to try to win now. We’ll see how successful the option read can be in the coming weeks.
No for me
But thats OK. At long as we keep showing progress Im happy.
Plus I LOVE being an effective running team again. Give me Willis running over defenders than some fancy dan McD style passing play any day of the week!
Long distance love affairs are always the most poignant.
Jets are all hot air
Chiefs got humiliated by the Fins…
9-7 is in reach!
I think that record clinches AFC West!
11-5 until we are not!
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9-7 will probably win the west, that is the ONLY reason this poll is up
yes we can be 11-5, but at best we will probably go 6-2, over next 8, which would make us 9-7. So there is a possibility we could win the west (and thus make the playoffs) but 62% of us don’t believe we can go 6-2 over the stretch.
Umm... I'm not on their jock or anything
but the Jets are more than just hot air (even though plenty of hot air does reside there). That defense is WAY more than just hot, pompousness. I watched the Buffalo / NY game in its entirety yesterday, and that Jet defense is capable of absolute carnage.
Here’s where I’m conflicted though….
Was that 30+ points a game Bills team the real deal, and the Jets just played that much more nasty than their offense yesterday…..
or……
Is that Bills team reminiscent of our 2009 squad, and all it took was a halfway decent defense to expose them for all to see…. lay out the blueprint for defenses to come???
What do you all think?
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Pressure Mark Sanchez
And he’ll make a lot of mistakes. The Jets Defense is also extremely soft up the middle, McGahee will punish them.
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"can" the broncos make the playoffs
well of course they can. I mean the Broncos are one game back and still play the Chiefs twice and Chargers.
Is it likely? Well, the Broncos were the worst team in the division by quite a bit last week by most measures. While the performance at the Raiders is heartwarming, the projection probably shouldn’t go worst to first on the basis of one game.
i keep dancing on my own.
If the rest of the AFC West sucks, then Yes, we can back right in.
If the Denver Broncos grow dramatically with their successes and play a lot better, then Yes.
If growth is slow and/or there are a bunch of problems (injuries, really good opponents), then No.
I’m not inspired to expect making the playoffs until I see a lot more playoff-quality football from the Broncos. I’m satisfied with seeing the team show up on Sundays and playing as well as they can.
replicate the Raiduhs' performance over and over again
and yes, I think we can be
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
It was one game. Did they look good yesterday? Sure. But they’re still 3-5. No matter how you look at it, this isn’t a playoff caliber team. If the division continues to implode and they somehow pull it off, I don’t see any way they win a playoff game.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Nov 7, 2011 1:26 PM MST via mobile reply actions
But we are 2-1 with Tebow under center, this year.
I can see both sides of the argument. Yes, we’re 3-5, but 4 of those losses were with Kyle Orton. On the other hand, our completion percentage and 3rd down percentage is way down. On the other hand, we’re winning right now. On the other hand, Tebow misses a ton of passes. On the other hand, Tebow has way more touchdowns than he has interceptions.
So, there’s a lot of “other hands” at play. That’s why the question was posed. There’s reason for optimism, but there’s reason for realism. Let’s see what wins.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 1:30 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Enough.
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On that note there is a restaurant in Des Moines you should be aware of.
I’ll have the RIP Meine Drei-Hunde
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
Al Davis burger anyone?
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um....
“Prefer” is a word with a lot of implications…. I’ll have to think about it and get back to you on that one.
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Its a lesser of three evils scenario...
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Is it?
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lol
Is that a lot for Kentucky? ; )
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by broncosmontana on Nov 7, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Well, with all the birth defects and what not, you tell me...
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True. But every other player on the field is a part of that 3-5 record. I’d love more than anything to be the Seahawks of this year’s playoffs, but I just don’t see it happening. Despite having a good game, I think it’s too early for playoff talk. If we get another couple wins in the next few weeks, I’ll definitely be drinking the koolaid. Just not yet.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Nov 7, 2011 1:40 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
There isn't a playoff caliber team in the AFC West
we’re 3-5 and only 1 game out. 2 if you take next weeks division game into account.
an 7-9 or 8-8 team will win our division.
The schedule is stacked against it although NYJ and Chicago are not as good as I thought they’d be. Agreed 9-7 will probably win the division. I think we’ll go 7-9.
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by GrizBronc on Nov 7, 2011 1:29 PM MST via mobile reply actions
I voted yes, just for the simple fact
that 36hours ago we were discussing which QB would be better for the Broncos Jones or Barkley, and now we are discussing can he lead them to the Playoffs one game out.
-poor division
-Tebow has progressed every game
-Option is working (for NOW)
-McGahee is benefiting from Tebow running the ball
-Tebow isn’t taking stupid chances with the ball and is staying in the pocket and making it a point to run as a last option.
With all that said Tebow does not play defense and he’s not gunna go point for point stride for stride with Brady.
@KC W
NY W
@SD L
@Sota W
Chicago W
NE W
KC W
Haha 9-7 baby!!!
so did Oakland before yesterday
much more so then San Diego, who we’ve actually been semi-competitive with
Raiders suck
Chargers are whiny douches
Chiefs are meh
We found their number in quarter #4 earlier
We pulled to within 2 and failed the 2 point conversion if I recall? This is a young team that really does not know itself – no one else has any hope of knowing what they can achieve yet. Too early to put my money down, but it looks like that game could be the divisional title game if cards fall just right.
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the goal is to become champions.
San Diego sucks though
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Let the good times roll.
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Man my tummy hurts with all the Kool-Aid sugar in my system...
Win both KC games
NY We win because, Mark Sanchez is gunna get hurt before he plays us ( a guy can dream can’t he?) and Plaxico gets shut down by Champ
San Diego has our number
Sota we win cause, Rookie Ponder meet Rookie Miller
Chicago will have 23 (not 24) false starts and with Cutler coming back to Denver
We have New Englands number, say what you want about it but its true going back to Shanny
by valas40 on Nov 7, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Point for point, stride for stride with Brady? Idk, take a look at this...
..We're 3-13 till we're not!
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They'll have negative yardage by the time they play us.
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by Troy Hufford on Nov 7, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
EXACTLY. I project we beat the Patriots by a score of 17 to (-)25
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by Teboner on Nov 7, 2011 3:13 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
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They do play shitty in Denver
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YES!
We will win the rest of our games, because I never expect the Broncos to lose. If we win out we should win the division as long as Oakland loses at least two more games this year.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Nov 7, 2011 1:34 PM MST reply actions
Where Is The Kool-Aid?
My fellow Broncos fans, looking at the poll, I can only say I am severely disappointed in your lack of optimism. Do you not remember that the Seattle Seahawks made the playoffs last year with a 7-9 record and then went on to knock off the Superbowl Champion Saints? Now I am not saying that the 2011 AFC West is as bad as the 2010 NFC West, however, it is VERY possible. Yesterday, I did not just see a win. I saw a team coming together, I saw chemistry being built, and most of all, I saw confidence. Confidence in Tebow, confidence in our O-line, confidence in our defense. No one watches football and is content with a 6-win season, especially when we are still completely relevant in the division. Think about it this way, if we beat the Chiefs next week, there will be three 4-5 teams in the AFC West, that simple. Yes, I understand, we still have a lot of holes on both sides of the ball. But let’s ride this wave of confidence and kool-aid until we crash-land on the shores of reality.
I would say the Kool-Aid is in 67 votes at the moment
67 votes for yes is impressive
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by waterboy31321 on Nov 7, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Indeed
When I looked at it, it was severely lopsided with “No’s”. Let’s keep the positive energy and optimism going. After all, that’s why we watch football. When the optimism runs out, then the season is over.
by OrangeCrush19 on Nov 7, 2011 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
If Tebow continues to improve week to week passing the ball to keep Defenses honest, a playoff run could very well happen. But the problems with the pass defense is going to continue to make problems for us in keeping games close. If we beat KC and the Jets I will vote yes. But either way, I like what I saw yesterday and feel encouraged for the team moving forward. Love watching some smash mouth football.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Nov 7, 2011 1:37 PM MST reply actions
I can't edit for next year
when Hoge says how hilarious the thought of the Broncos winning a playoff game with Tebow at qb is.
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 7, 2011 1:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Shoot
Edit should be wait. Damn you swype!
by TheMascotArmy on Nov 7, 2011 1:45 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Yes! Why not?
-This zone read will have to evolve along with Tebow’s accuracy. For instance, I see TE’s dragging opposite if the fake RB runs, just as Jake the snake always used to do. Could be very dangerous and hard to stop!
nah
Although I hope you’ll poll this question again later. :)
I picked 6-10 at the start of the season. Yesterday’s game isn’t one of the games I thought we’d win, but I think I also factored in “we’ll win a game we shouldn’t have”. I think I’m still at 6-10, but optimistic.
NO
And for this season I really don’t care. I care with all other stuff like improvement at our schemes, play-callings, executions, etc etc etc..
Only a little each game, and I’m pleased!
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No
We’ve beaten a 4-4 team and a 1-7 team. Let’s not go crazy here.
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Hmm....and a 6-2 team? Or does that not count because Orton single handedly won that one for us? :)
by Tim Lynch on Nov 7, 2011 2:05 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a logic-free zone, Tim. Please, thank you. :)
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Cool then I can come in!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:05 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, average health can get the Broncos into the playoffs but only as AFC West Champss
Many second tier teams have with just a handful of highly skilled players but when they are out due to injury, it exposes weaknesses on these teams and makes them beatable, like Oakland yesterday. Even some top tier teams are fragile when a key person is out, Indy for example.
The Broncos have fewer highly skilled players so the performance doesn’t drop off so dramatically when someone is out but only if they play like a team, again like yesterday. They can challenge anyone in the second tier which is where all of the teams in the AFC West are.
The mean is lower but so is the variance.
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And our losses came against teams with records of 4 wins, 4 wins, 8 wins, 4 wins, and 6 wins. It's not like we're losing to the Dolphins... like the Chiefs... hahaha
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We dont have a good enough defense to make it
by broncosfaninphilly on Nov 7, 2011 1:58 PM MST via mobile reply actions
And KC does? Oakland? SD?
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Chances of making the playoffs (in my esteemed opinion):
Chargers: 40%
Raiders: 30%
Broncos: 15%
Chiefs: 15%
So no, probably not, Skip. But it wouldn’t be too terribly shocking. The AFC West is, um, “competitive”.
maybe...
Looking at the AFC west, I still believe this division is for the Chargers to lose… they are still the most talented team of the bunch. I’m not sure I want the Broncos to be a rerun of the Seahawks last year. Sure they got in, but they didn’t belong there, despite the fact that they lucked out and won a game.
Honestly though, if this team were to finish the season winning roughly 2/3 of their remaining games, that would put them roughly 8-8… It could happen.
We're in hunt until we aren't...that's why I love this game
Has anyone else noticed that while Tebow has been QB the ball is ALWAYS hiked on the 1 count?
That has to be a part of the reason why he’s getting hit so frequently. There’s no guessing from the opposing D.
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
Come on people...
This very week there were loads of people stating how bad this entire team is, and now since we beat a 4-4 divisional opponent, we are thinking playoffs? Sunday was a great game and it’s awesome to see some tangible improvements from Tim, but this team has been consistently inconsistent all year. Sure, it could happen, but right now I just want to see another divisional win on the road and some more improvements from Tim this week.
"I thought our offense was very impressive... other than the turnovers." -The Fox
Well, I think our economy is very impressive right now... other than the unemployment.
by manbearpig5000000 on Nov 7, 2011 2:28 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
This is only a possibility because the division is so bad. Like the Seahawks winning the NFC West last year.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 7, 2011 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
at least we wont be the first 7-9 team to make the playoffs.
But we can always hope to be the first 6-10 team!!! (is that even possible with 2 division losses?)
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stop being rational
this is a fan sports site. ; )
People fear the Tebow because they do not understand the Tebow.
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by broncosmontana on Nov 7, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure. Maybe
Chiefs :: W :: Destroyed by Miami in KC. Have only beaten Vikings and Indy outside of the division
I was fooled by the Chiefs in my previous predictions. They are exposed.
Jets :: ?? :: Have won three streight including Buffalo, SD and Miami. Buffalo is a good team and SD has talent.
I think we can run on the Jets. If we can knock Sanchez down a bunch of times we can win.
Chargers :: W :: Chargers have lost three streight and seem to be in full choke mode. Its time to beat these guys.
I thought the Bolts would get it together, but much to my enjoyment, they are going the opposite direction.
Vikings :: W :: Minnesota is not a good football team. AP is about all they have.
We play them on the road, but that black hole road win was more difficult IMHO.
Bears :: ?? :: The Bears running game is scary.
The Bears cant seem to make me believe that they are a great team. Not sure why.
Patriots :: ?? :: NE have not been themselves, but they can drop 35 on anyone.
This is a huge game, but for some reason the Pats dont play well in Denver. Plus they dont seem as dominant these days.
Bills :: L :: Buffalo has slid a bit, but they are an excellent team. You gotta rush the passer well.
We dont play very well in Buffalo though. Even when we are clearly better than them and that isnt the case this year.
Chiefs :: W :: Chiefs at home.
So I see it very possible to finish 8-8. In this division that could get you in, but chances are slim. They would have to win seven out of eight games to get to 10 wins. If they did that there would be no question.
Traditionally
we beat the Pats in Foxborough as well, just so you know
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
True. I dont thing we have a chance in Foxborough this year however. If we have a chance its because we are home.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 7, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
that may be
the Pats have some serious issues, it’s like the Gus Frerotte days for us, they have to win shootouts, New England’s pass defense is horrendous
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:31 PM MST up reply actions
My answer: YES
I mean….. why not….. what the hey….. and all that good rot.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
only 8 more?
Damn, I was just finally starting to enjoy this season.
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by broncosmontana on Nov 7, 2011 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
It goes by so fast lol.
And they deleted my quasi-rant of awesomeness :(
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I voted my heart on this one
Yes. But only because the rest of the division is just as flaky as Denver is this year. We have a puncher’s chance and I’ll take it, long as I don’t have to bet my house or my dog on it.
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yes
i do believe they can… Division rivals are not doing good as well. so that’s a plus! :)
In a world where only the strong survives... we just double our strength.
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I say yes..I think we have it together now. We have found our stride going forth just when the rest of our division is in mid-collapse. Let’s pray the Raiders beat San Diego on Thursday and that they are angry due to loss. Cause the Dolts are what will be standing in our way once again as we finish the season 8-8!
Yes I said it, 8 and frickin 8! We lose one more…it might be against San Diego, but I think we need that one bad to get our confidence hot and flaring as we march into the playoffs to take the league by storm with the most innovative running game on the planet. Even Moreno will finally find his place in this offense as a master of the screen pas off the play action Zone Read.
After yesterday’s performance I think we can hang with any team except Green Bay, but then again we did take down the mighty Farve the year after they won the Superbowl…maybe history will rhyme with itself!
Not Likely But...
We’re 3rd or second best in the division. KC stinks. based on their performances against Detroit, Buffalo and Miami. The Raiders with McFadden and a real QB (I’m just guessing Palmer continues to gel a bit there) are probably a bit better than average right now and the Chargers are notoriously slow starters that gave Green Bay fits yesterday. We are young we, are improving, but we have some large deficencies and a lack of depth. DT, ML, nickel corner, #1 WR are major problem areas. Obviously our young guys can step up, McGahee may continue drinking from his fountain of youth, and Tebow can work some magic and we might slip in.
Fans just wanna have f fun
Oh, here we go.
I’m gonna say it again, I like Tebow and want to see him succeed. But he’s still an under 50 percent passer. The Broncos’ staff put together a creative game plan that simultaneously took advantage of some of Tebow’s strengths, and some of Oakland’s weaknesses.
But just like the week between Miami and Detroit showed us, and just as that 6-0 start a couple of years ago should have taught us, novelty will only get you so far in the NFL. Don’t expect this every week. Sooner or later Tebow is going to have to throw the ball well consistently. The handful of well thrown passes Tebow connected on Sunday did so because he made decent reads, got some good protection, let the play develop, set his feet, aligned his hips and threw accurately.
He’s definitely improved from where he was, he clearly feels more comfortable with the offense and is taking steps in most areas. But he’s got to throw better over the course of entire games. Otherwise, this feeling will be short lived.
Playoffs? I’m not holding my breath. It’s easy to let the high of one win get you thinking ten steps ahead. Let’s see the Broncos continue to come together as a team. Overall it was another sloppy game but the guys who get paid to make plays made them this week, and in the end the team came together and sealed the deal.
Games like this are often turning points, where a squad finally gels and starts playing closer to their potential. But let’s see the Broncos put together 60 minutes of good football on a consistent basis. Then we’ll talk playoffs.
And that’s not hate. It’s just how it works. The coaches would likely tell something pretty similar. One step at a time.
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by TheMastermind on Nov 7, 2011 2:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Consistency...
seems to be your main message here, and I agree. While I enjoy rootig for the Broncos and visualizing them winning, over the past five or so years they have been more dissappointing than ever. But maybe that’s just it. Maybe we have slowly slipped down that slippery slope into a culture of expecting ourselves to play well but lose often. It’s time to see what we’ve got!
If Tebow goes into Arrowhead and rocks the place with another win, then I’m gulping the Kool-Aid and letting the excess wash down my neck and arms! If he implodes in any way shape or form, then I see us winning maybe 3 more games as we alternate between flashes of greatness and mediocrity. So everything hinges on what you said going into face the Chiefs: CONSISTENCY…
“All We’re Tryin’ to do is win the M.F. Game!”
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"If Tebow goes into Arrowhead and rocks the place with another win"
I am thrilled about the win and I am glad Tebow played a much better game yesterday. However, Tebow does not win games. The Broncos win games as a group, as they did yesterday.
There is a difference between saying that the BRONCOS can go into arrowhead and get a win and saying that Tebow does. This is not the Denver Tebows. If people would stop confusing Tebow with the entire team, I might be a bigger fan of his.
by AttwaterForHOF on Nov 7, 2011 3:21 PM MST up reply actions
I realize that Tebow is not the whole team...duh
If we play like we did against Detroit we are all sunk… But if Tebow plays horrid where he can’t hit the blind side of a barn or what not, then I don’t think we have much of a chance to make the playoffs this year… You can see the looks in everyone’s eyes when he is off…the whole team looks depressed…and you can see them elated when he’s on and hot with those throws. So that’s what I meant, if he plays better with each game I see the team rallying around him and EVERYONE playing better…however if he reverts back to lameness, then the team and coaches abandon the sinking TEBOW ship for good and we trade him…
Players like goodman keep screwing up every week .The defense gives up too many points
Too many of our defensive players get lost in games. DJ lions game Joe Mays yesterday.
nobody on this defense is gelling yet .
by broncosfaninphilly on Nov 7, 2011 3:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, we have to do this EVERY week!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions
novelty will only get you so far in the NFL
Yea like the crazy idea of the forward pass. It’ll never work consistently. That’s just not football!
Fans just wanna have f fun
Oh boy
Lots of overreaction on MHR today. Not a surprise though. We just had the best team win in 2 years so I expected optimism to be at an all time high
but we aren’t going to make the playoffs. Sorry, it’s just not going to happen. We have a lot of work to do. Our secondary still sucks, our passing game needs to improve and we have to be more consistent in all facets of the game.
Yesterday was awesome.
Today is even better.
but let’s be reasonable.
The schedule is brutal. Other then 1 team (Vikings), we are playing playoff contenders the rest of the year. It’s going to be tough. I would be satisfied with 6-10.
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KC and San Diego are only playoff contenders because they are in the AFC West. Buffalo will be out of the mix by the time we catch them as well.
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
Other then 1 team (Vikings)
And even they are looking like the real thing now.. Christian Ponder aint playing around. And of course, they have a guy named Adrian Peterson. He’s supposedly pretty good.
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Beat KC at least once, Beat Cutler and win at least 6 games. Average at least 23 points per game over the last 5. Play better in December than in November. Do these things and 2012 looks like a year to get excited about.
I like that Tebow is 2-1, but 18 ppg and 10 ppg won’t work for me. 38ppg sure as hell will.
The playoffs should not be a 2011 goal. That’s a bonus. The things above are good goals for Tebow and his buddies on offense.
Tim Tebow's career record is 3-3. He is the worst 1st round pick EVER!!!! He is embarrassing!!! Did I say that with enough conviction to get a job with ESPN?
by McGeorge on Nov 7, 2011 3:11 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well stated McGeorge
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Beat Cuntler?
that sounds easy, he always sucks in big games in Denver!
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:23 PM MST up reply actions
Yes he "could"
but it isn’t likely. I want very much for us to build off this win and perform better next week leading to momentum, etc…but it isn’t likely and I attribute that to the team’s youth. The guys just don’t have that much time and experience in our systems and those systems are in flux anyway.
This makes it difficult for us to execute consistently.
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playoffs are realistic if we can compete and sweep the rest of our division
we must sweep the remaining afc west teams maybe 9-7 makes it! we cant afford to give afc west teams wins especially against our broncos
I love the Broncos
I am not one who can ever ‘predict’ Us to lose a game. Never have been, never will be.
Now ‘can he’ and ‘will he’ are two completely different questions. I will vote yes on both, just because I’m too much of an optimist to say otherwise. Also, I don’t lose money, or my job either way, so of course I’m always going to presume We’ll be undefeated, make the playoffs, be in contention for the SB, etc.
I just don’t get how so many people spew garbage and hate at fellow fans so often, here and everywhere. Especially after a nice road win against the Raiders.
It is hilarious how many folks immediately changed their tune on Tebow after yesterday though.
Thanks for the post KB, and Go Broncos!!!!
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Nov 7, 2011 3:26 PM MST reply actions
In this division, why not?
What I’m really worried about is if Rivers starts playing more like himself. He could carry the Chargers to some wins that they won’t get if they keep playing this way, so you never know. It’ll be a close division, that’s for sure.
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This is the real Rivers
I want to believe, but I’m worried he might begin playing well again too :(
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
As much as the Broncos are my team . . .
I voted No above as I do not want to overestimate the quality of team we have this year.
They seem kinda skitzo to me – Tebow included. [and I’m a Tebow fan]
Much as I hate to say it, the Bolts are merely having their implosion in mid season rather than early. I think they will take the division again.
I agree
The question in the title was “Can they do it” – the question in the poll was “will they do it”.
Can they? Sure, they are capable.
Will they? Highly unlikely.
Where are the drugs?
I can only assume that those of you voting yes to above question are under the influence of some drug, which appears to be quite strong, and therefore desirable. If you can tell me where I find this drug that makes the 2011 Denver Broncos look like a playoff team, I would be extremely grateful. You’ve gotta love fan-induced myopia!
by MontuckyDonkey on Nov 7, 2011 3:48 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
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by the new Bradfather on Nov 7, 2011 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
6 and 10 seems realistic to me
I’m beginning to think we need a MLB in the worst way…maybe more than a DT or CB…I don’t care whether they come through draft, trade, or FA but I think we need all three o D. A 6/10 record puts us in good position to grab some good ones.
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Mays has played well
But yeah, he’s probably not the long term answer.
6-10 sounds realistic – that’s what we’re on pace for anyway.
Goodman needs to find the fountain of youth for 8 more games if we have any hope...
Better QB/WR combos will eat him alive down the stretch. He looked horrible in Oakland on Sunday and has looked old this season. That or Dennis Allen needs to really start dialing up the pressure using the LBs. Palmer seemed to have a decnet pocket to work with too often and that can’t happen with our secondary woes.
We were left for dead last week, and this week... 1 game out of first
The lesson here is to not assume a trend based off of 1 week of football. I haven’t seen nearly enough from the Broncos to think we’ll make the playoffs. And yet, it seems like it’s not entirely ridiculous to conceive at this point, either.
I think the Vegas odds will still be against us, but we’ve got a fightin’ chance. I’d like to see Tebow have consistently better passing numbers, though. We can’t win all our games like we did yesterday.
True
But Tebow was throwing well in the 2nd half – we just didn’t have to pass at all in the 4th quarter!
Big difference...
between being play off worthy and winning the afc west.
In any case the answer is probably no – but man are we having fun right now!!!
I don’t think the Tebow “experiment” will have a final conclusion by seasons end. It will be interesting to see, if EFX has the balls to draft their own first round QB. Especially now that we are probably out of the Luck sweep stakes.
The 2011 Denver Broncos do not look like a playoff caliber team
however, the 2010 Seahawks didn’t either. It all depends on how poorly the rest of the AFC West finishes out – and I figure either the Raiders or Chargers will go on a run and get the division in hand. It’s gonna be tough to get to .500, and one of those teams will probably finish better than that.
It’s possible, but not likely. 1 good game does not a season make.
by Summitgrad on Nov 7, 2011 5:26 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
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No, no, no...
As much as I’d like for the Broncos be a playoff quality team. They aren’t.
We might beat K.C., because they suck, but the next team with a quality Quarterback will pick the defense apart.
My hope is that the young players, including Tebow, show some improvement in their play each week.
With a decent draft and full offseason, we’ve got a chance to sneak into the playoffs – next year.
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One measure of where Tebow is
is what happens on 3rd and 3 (give or take). Everybody and their mother knows that Tebow is going to do a qb draw. The other team knows it but still the coaches feel like that gives them a better chance for a first down than throwing it. Throwing is still a bit of an adventure every time with Tebow though I was happy to see Tebow seem a little more comfortable this week.
But I more or less agree with Tebow who said it is never as bad as it looks (Lions) and never as good either (not going to gain 125 yards rushing every time for example.) I don’t see him as a playoff caliber qb yet but, then again, the team isn’t there either most likely. But the fact that he works hard and has already shown some improvemnt makes me hopeful that he can get to the point where he is more of a threat passing. He’s got qualities of greatness so it would be a shame if he didn’t make it because of issues of accuracy, mechanics, etc.
Not just a QB draw.
Option draw. Things changed with the wrinkle in the backfield and up front. 3rd and 3 is likely a run, but the D isn’t sure if the ball is going to McGahee or Tebow . This will open up the defensives, and we’ll begin to see Tebow throw a few 3rd and 3’s in the future, as the comfort level increases. He can throw a football, just needs to get some reps. Seriously, that’s true. Will be interesting to see how the Chiefs adjust their fronts watching the Raider game film, and whether the Broncos can continue to run up the yards. I’m amazed we’ve averaged that gaudy 223 rush yds per game with Tebow. If that keeps up, with no turnovers, we can beat any team left on the schedule. As poor as Tebow can be, he hasn’t turned the ball over to lose games. That’s key. He can look brutally bad, but if he doesn’t turn the ball over, he gives himself and the team a chance to win. There isn’t a team with less than 3 losses left, and the other AFC west teams’ schedules aren’t easy. Especially KC and SD have tough remaining schedules. I’m all in for the Broncos to the playoffs. Something’s positive because the tide is definitely turning, even though we have deficiencies. Tebow’s team. The entire team could be the most deficient team to win games the NFL has ever seen. Who cares? I love watching these announcers shake their heads, sigh, and cry ’they’re not that good’, while we get 2 W’s for every L. I saw 3 ints., the same number of the previous 7 games. i saw Eddie Royal score 2 tds. Really? Eddie Royal? Actually, he’s sorta faster than I thought. Same with McGahee. 60 yards, and no lightning fast db caught him from behind. Really? McGahee, the Buffalo-Baltimore old guy? He’s now a key guy in the AFC West. Level with McFadden. No, check that, actually, McGahee leads the AFC West in rushing, ahead of McFadden. The Broncos team looks rejuvenated. Really, they do. We go into the fourth quarter of tie games, and believe we will win those games. This ain’t Orton, anymore, Toto. The reality is, we could lose 3 more games by 20 pts apiece, and win the other five by combined 10 pts, and make the playoffs. It’s Tebow football, and even if we aren’t that good, we’ve risen from 3 games behind SD, when Tebow took over, to a game out. Believe, people, this will happen. Playoff football for the Broncos!! AFC West sucks, be damned.
I have to admit, Fox and McCoy really made a heck of a statement with this option and option blocking scheme for Tebow. They’re adjusting to him, and it’s a positive sign to see Fox do this. I really didn’t think he had it in him, but I actually see support for Tebow. John Lynch has got to be thinking this is exactly what he was talking about when he said the coaching staff must give Tebow a better game plan to succeed.
...holy freaking f*ck, snakes!
by 7sky on Nov 7, 2011 6:41 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Lions fan here
When I read this post, I went directly to your schedule and thought, ouch. Then I looked at the standings and the other teams schedules. They seemingly have just as difficult a run to the end as you guys do. All you have to do to make the playoffs is be one game better than those other three teams and that does not look too crazy. KC is looking to be having a mid season swoon. Great timing for you BTW. The Oakland Faders are doing their mid season thing too and I would not bet on the 9 volt chargers if they were playing the neutered colts.
Half the season is done now and nothing is written in stone yet. Your team has had one bad game packed between two wins. Granted the Miami win was ugly but what can anyone expect from Tebow in his first start of the season. Also remember, Miami is not as bad as their record would indicate. I have been saying all along they were far too competitive to end up a late season team looking for the #1 draft choice.
I would not count you out at this point in the season before any of the other teams in your division. You seem to be hitting your stride while the others are slipping off.
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Let’s not get too overzealous here. Yes it was a good win but we threw a scheme at them that we had NEVER run before. It was like the Wildcat that Miami ran against New England a couple years ago. That may have worked once but it won’t hold up. Tebow looked better and if he continues to improve then maybe we could sneak in as a Division winner because only 1 team is gonna come out of the West this year. But it’s more than a long shot…
Raiders are just stupid..
Overzealous, hmmmm maybe a little. We just have to hope that the rest of the teams we play are as stupid as the Raiders.
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A quarterback who can't complete 50% of his passes will not be leading any team to the playoffs.
by Plz on Nov 7, 2011 8:21 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Voted NO but I am looking at recipes for Crow!
I will be happy with just being competitive the rest of the way and I hope TT wins enough to keep the starting job. I really think Oak and SD will be fighting for the West this year because KC isnt that good and I dont know what TEAM we will have on the field each week. If we continue to play anything like we did yesterday than sure playoffs are ours for the taking, but I need to see a little more consistency from everyone before I jump on Skips wagon.
My optimism forced me to vote yes..
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Who else is gonna win this division?
The Raiders with their stupid mistakes and Carson Palmer? K.C. with a loss to Miami and Todd Haley (not to mention Matt Cassel)? Or the continued epic fail heroics of phyllis rivers? Being in the same division, we all have similar common opponents—-we all have to face Detroit, Chicago, GB and the AFC East. I’ll put it this way, if we can beat S.D. and sweep K.C., we need three wins some where else. Besides the west our remaining opponents are Bears, Jets, Bills, Patriots, Vikings—-Pats/Bears/Jets at home. We can beat the Bears and Vikings. One more win from the remaining opponents and I have to say the Jets at home looks winnable considering we played them tough as nails last year. So in the next eight games, 6-2 will have to do, and until we ain’t I’m saying we’re the AFC west champs!
We may end up with another 7-9 division winner
like NFC west last year
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running game
We have 2 backs who can run.Tebow and Willis and that’s it. Fox loves to run. But Tebow gets smacked when he runs and really smacked when he tries to pass.Tebow is a tough guy but being hit all the time will take a toll. A run only team is easier to defend. So we will see.
Our Defense really sucks against the run..K.C. only has Battle but they do have Arrowhead. toss-up
Folks who believe Forte and especially AP won’t get 200 combined against this defense are not paying attention…same with Fred Jackson.
Our offense cannot compete in a shoot-out with the Chargers..
If somehow we win 2 that will be pretty good with this team at this time…
Our offense simply does not have the fire power to overcome our poor defense.
K.C here is a win.
YES
“Yes. yes, yes, yes”
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Well, let’s see. The Broncos now own the tiebreaker in head to head comp with the Raiders. The Broncos beat Cincinnati, now leading the AFC North at 6-2 (tied with Baltimore). The Broncos narrowly lost to Tennessee, now in second in the AFC South with the Titans having lost a few games by close scores. The Pats are now suspect, no longer blowing their way to an undefeated regular season. Buffalo is vulnerable lately. Pittsburgh is in 3rd place in the AFC North. Indianapolis is sucking for luck. Houston is looking good, but not great. At the start of the season, I predicted the Broncos would go 16-0, as I do every season. So, I’m still down with the playoffs until the broncos are mathematically eliminated. And I’m sure Engineer Hufford can compute that. BTW, Troy, I’ve agreed with almost all your comments as KB and I like your columns too, but I gotta split ways with your prediction of 6-10.
Go Broncos, beat KC. I KNOW the Broncos can do it.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Nov 8, 2011 7:18 AM MST reply actions
If it happened I would be thrilled!
But I’m not putting any expectations on the team this year. There’s just too many weak spots on the team, and we seem to have a hard time getting all 3 phases of the game to play well at the same time. Last week was the exception!
Withholding my vote at this time as I think it’s premature.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
GO BRONCOS and GO CARDS!!!
I wonder what Merril Hoge thinks? He's such an intellect when it comes to Tebow right?
I mean can we ever be successful with Tim Tebow? The answer lies somewhere between yes we can and I don’t know…Some people have it all figured out already, just ask Shannon Sharpe, he’ll tell you.
Hmmmm...
The fact that there is even a poll here asking if the Broncos will make the playoffs, is due largely to the fact that Orton has exited stage left and Tebow is on the stage. 2-1…an improbable comeback, a humiliating defeat, a sound defeat of the rival Raiders. An exciting roller coaster to say the least.
I agree with the guy who hates generic polls which are used by evil pollsters to manipulate perception. However, step back and look at the big picture. To even entertain the thought of playoffs with a rebuilding team that lacks talent on both sides of the ball is kind of nice. Wait until next year..when we plug the holes with fresh young talent. Orrrrrrr…we say Tebow’s mechanics are ugly, we don’t want him even though we win with him, draft some newbie, leave the holes, and suck for the next 5 years. Hahahaha…your move Mr. Elway!
Yo Christian Okoye, you got knocked the "F" out!
WTF is wrong with the poll?
It asks a simple question. I just don’t get what the fuss is about. No, we won’t make the playoffs. I also never thought we would to begin with this season. No big loss. What I am liking, however, is that we’ve won two of our last three games. When was the last time you could say that? Is there any coincidence the wins started coming after Orton was benched? Seems likely IMO. However, Tebow is FAR from perfect. I’m sure he’d be the first to tell you the same. yet somehow we are winning games.
All the talk about his mechanics is just white noise at this point. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For whatever reason, football logic as we (think) we know it just doesn’t apply to Tebow. I’m through trying to figure the guy out, I’m just going to sit back and watch it all unfold. With a little luck, hopefully it will be an enjoyable ride. Bring on the Chefs.
...and then the Broncos rose from the ashes
by postpunk27 on Nov 8, 2011 2:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I recall Steve Spurrier once
made a statement at the end of the game in 2006 where the S. Carolina Gamecocks had just lost to the Florida Gators by one point after Jarvis Moss slapped a field goal attempt down..to win the game.
he said “It is the Gators year”
I think this is the Bronco’s year.
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