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The Faulty Analysis of Tim Tebow

Perhaps I am restating the obvious here, but I like to do it. Its a rhetorical device that helps me express my opinions, solidify them and present them for criticism.

One of the current meme's in the analysis of Tebow by the likes of Waddle, Dilfer, Stephen A. Smith, etc... (the talking head haters) is that the wins are not because of Tebow's play but should be attributed to the defense, Matt Prater, etc....

They consistently look for reason's to attribute the team's success to something other than Tebow because they know it can't have anything to do with him. To admit otherwise would be to admit they are wrong. Their ego's won't allow it.

Now of course the team is a part of the wins. Its is after all a team game, but to use that against Tebow is intellectually dishonest.

Tere are a few inconsistencies here....

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1. The claim that all Tebow did was lead his team to 2 clutch field goals by Prater:

Well, yes he did. But you know what? In the tuck rule game of 2001, Tom Brady did the exact same thing. Vinatieri hit two clutch field goals, one in regulation, one in overtime to win it. So does that make Tom Brady the most attrocious QB ever? Apparently not.

2. The claim that the wins don't count because the defense played well:

I find it ironic that one of Tebow's detractors is Trent Dilfer. Let's all recall that in the 2000 Ravens Super Bowl season, Dilfer's stats were 1500 yds, 12 TD/11 Int, and 76.6 passer rating. The stout defense was the primary reason they won that SB. Certainly no one calls Dilfer elite, but neither was he ravaged on a daily basis by the talking heads.

3. The claim that the wins don't count because the teams they played all had "something wrong with them".

Ok, sure, the Bears didn't have Cutler/Forte, the Vikings didn't have Peterson, the Dolphins and Chiefs are weak teams. Fine.

But if that's the standard, then we need to do the same analysis for Montana, Elway, Favre, Manning, Brady, etc... We would need to vacate all of their wins against any team that was missing a star player.

4. Finally, this one is in the future tense....

Clearly the game on Sunday is loaded with outcomes. If the Broncos win, it will be a big deal. Hopefully there can be some validation, but perhaps there won't.

The other point is if the Broncos lose. If that happens, all the critics will drop a big "I told you so". Of course the irony is that 10 other teams have already lost to the Pats this year. They are a good team, that's what happens. I don't recall hearing those teams QB's being judged permanently based upon the outcome of the games.

So what's the point here? I don't have one. Again, this is pro-sports. In the end none of this matters anyway. Argument for arguments sake my friends.

But damn it, if I am going to argue about something, its going to be about the inability of the ESPN talking heads to mount reasonable, cogent arguments. Of course, this occurs because most of them are former players and really don't possess the intelligence to construct anything other than middle school level arguments anyway. So screw 'em.

Go Broncos.

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just keep laughin'...

all the way to the playoffs, like i am. most people have closed minds, there’s not much you can do with them. pretend they are clowns, it’s not too hard

taste my blintzkrieg!

the 3-man rush is an admission of lunacy, cowardice, and defeat.

by davecheffy on Dec 16, 2011 8:24 PM MST reply actions  

As I get older I find it harder to suffer fools….

If someone wants to criticize Tebow, fine. But do it with logical, coherent arguments.

Its an idiotfest out there….

by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 16, 2011 8:30 PM MST reply actions  

You may get criticized

But certainly not by me. Great points well put. :)

Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.

"No trees were harmed in the creation of this message, but a few electrons
were mildly inconvenienced."

"You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get."

by JOEGATOR15 on Dec 16, 2011 8:31 PM MST reply actions  

To quote Lou Brown from Major League:

Why don’t we just hang around and see if we can give them all a great big shitburger to eat?

Carson Palmer - Tebowned
Phillip RIvers - Tebowned
Matt Cassel - Tebowned
Darrelle Revis - Tebowned
Christian Ponder - Tebowned
Brian Urlacher - Tebowned
Next up - Tom Brady

by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 16, 2011 8:57 PM MST reply actions  

Wouldnt that be fantastic?

I am in a particularly pissy mood today regarding all this.

I just can’t stand the inability to think on the part of all these people.

by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 16, 2011 9:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Your name

I love that Marc Sanchez doesn’t even deserve a Tebowed in your name. It’s Revis for his great impersonation of a matador when he saw Tebow about to run him over. He should look at Champ to see how a HOF cornerback tackles.

by LakerBandwagon on Dec 17, 2011 2:52 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You just captured just about everything that gets my goat watching ESPN. The haters there don’t even try to be logical or internally consistent. Have you noticed how they latch onto whatever the “new” element of Denver’s win is each week and act like that suddenly characterizes all of their wins? Your field goal point is a good example. So, unusually long field goals won that game. Now, all of a sudden, all of the ESPN guys keep mentioning how Tebow can’t expect to keep winning if it’s “always by 59 and 51 yard field goals.” Huh?

The same is true re: Barber going out bounds and fumbling. Suddenly, the unlikelihood of both of those happening within such a short time frame and changing the game is something that “shows” that Tebow can’t keep winning “that way.” As if it’s happened in this 7-1 run before!

Another irritation? They keep "forgetting"when they say that Denver can’t keep winning by only scoring 16 points that they’ve scored 35 and 38, and that they have been in a back-and-forth shootout (admittedly Ponder is no Brady, but the principle applies), etc. I mean, come on. So yeah, great observations.

by dallasdayone on Dec 16, 2011 9:13 PM MST reply actions  

Its maddening.....

Dilfer said this on Twitter:

#filmstudy Tebow: ONLY 11 STARTS, yet I & so many others forgot to see him through that lens.This will continue to be a fascinating study

I wanted to jump through the internet and smack him. How do you forget that? Isnt that the entire point. He has 11 motherfartin’ starts! They all expect him to be Drew Brees.

…………I’m losing my mind.

by charlesnelsonreilly on Dec 16, 2011 9:22 PM MST reply actions  

Dude

I truly feel your pain. And if you don’t mind I will be stealing the phrase “motherfartin” lmao

Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.

"No trees were harmed in the creation of this message, but a few electrons
were mildly inconvenienced."

"You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get."

by JOEGATOR15 on Dec 17, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Whats the worst that can happen if the Broncos lose?

Headline: " He is [or they’re] human after all" … any give Sunday…one thing for sure, no matter what….it will be exciting! The Team has already exceeded all expectations for the season…who of you reading this picked them to win 8 even? This is sports history we are witnessing…and if we win Sunday….the Broncos may just make more history when the January headline reads: “Broncos AFC Champs Next Stop: Indy” Get Tim in the playoff race and see what that level of competition will do to his game and everyone else’s…but before “Tebow Takes Broncos to Superbowl” [or Von Doom if you prefer] can happen, I think we need two more wins….gotta finish the fourth Quarter of the season..

by Denverkewl on Dec 16, 2011 9:26 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I heard someone say that the Broncos are pretty good in 4th 1/4s

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Dec 18, 2011 8:54 AM MST up reply actions  

I won 4 big ones against a lifetime Bronco fan

He wasn’t convinced about Tebow. I told him he would win at LEAST 6 games. And I said possibly 8.

Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even a little sorry that offends some of you.

"No trees were harmed in the creation of this message, but a few electrons
were mildly inconvenienced."

"You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get."

by JOEGATOR15 on Dec 17, 2011 10:06 AM MST reply actions  

None of my friends will play with me anymore..

My neighbor tried to make some of his losses up with Bama this year..but I wasn’t taking the bait.

"I don’t think we’ve peaked yet," - Champ Bailey, practice 12-14-11
"Brady wilts when he gets too much pressure" - Baghdad

by csason on Dec 17, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

This is a good write up..thanks !

Problem with every single ONE of the people who have run commentary on the up and downside, and back and forth thingy with Tim Tebow the QB is that it is all attempt to base some sort of prediction on what has been witnessed..

The whole thing is laughable to be honest.. because A) Tim is new at this level.
B) He just plays a different kind of old school get in the end zone football, that is impossible to predict.
C) He doesn’t pay attention to anything any of those people ever ever ever say..which is important, because if you are just on one side of a conversation, and never have another side..it has 0 impact in any way.. so it is more or less like gas.

"I don’t think we’ve peaked yet," - Champ Bailey, practice 12-14-11
"Brady wilts when he gets too much pressure" - Baghdad

by csason on Dec 17, 2011 10:49 AM MST reply actions  

My Grandad used to say: Never try to give a hog a bath -

because you waste both your time and the soap. It is the same with arguing with fools. It is best to let them continue their foolish ways and to retain your sanity.

by GoldenBuff1972 on Dec 17, 2011 12:03 PM MST reply actions  

Guys, when is it gonna sink in that these imps make Tebow better

Tim Tebow eats negative opinions and unfair criticism for breakfast, and craps out solid gold by that evening. Foxy knows it…. Elway knows it….. they don’t shovel heaping loads of praise on Tim Tebow because they hate him and want to hamstring him. The reason they do it is twofold:

1. They are building a TEAM ORIENTED (with a STRONG emphasis on team), winning culture in that locker room. To dole out too much praise on one cog out of the entire functioning war machine would be unwise and counterproductive. EFX is neither. Tim Tebow wouldn’t want it any other way!!!

2. They know beyond a shadow of a doubt that when Timmy Tebow feels the need to prove detractors wrong, he almost always does it in glorious, victorious fashion. Like Tim has been quoted as saying, “I am a very self motivated person, but a little fuel to the fire never hurt.”

Let these egotistical, sloth brained idiots keep vomiting up harsh words for the Broncos. I want this team to have a surplus of bulletin board material. I like being an underdog. Lots of people call Tebow Superman, but to me, he’s Underdog X 1,000.

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"

by PaleHorse78 on Dec 17, 2011 1:27 PM MST reply actions  

The comparisons are maddening

Why isn’t Blane Gabbert being compared to the likes of Brady, Brees, and Rodgers? Oh, he’s only a rookie and he has crappy weapons at his disposal. The double standard drives me crazy. A more fair comparison is Cam vs Timmy. Cam looks more polished and has the numbers, but Tebow has the wins. I had both on my team at one time (the Gators), I would take Tim any day of the week.

by cologator98 on Dec 17, 2011 5:04 PM MST reply actions  

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