New England Patriots at Denver Broncos Post-Game Thread
by Colby on Dec 18, 2011 5:45 PM MST
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| Category | Broncos | Patriots |
| Score | 23 | 41 |
| Rushing Yards | 31 car. 252 yards (8.1 ypc) | 36 car. 141 yards (3.9 ypc) |
| Passing Yards |
141 | 310 |
| Total Yards | 393 | 451 |
| 3rd Down Conversions | 4-10 | 5-12 |
| T.O.P | 26:19 | 33:41 |
| Turnovers |
3 | 0 |
Well, the Denver Broncos lost their first game in seven weeks today to the New England Patriots 41-23.
Everything seemed to be going according to plan early. The Broncos on their first three possessions ran the ball down the field for over 160 yards in the first quarter and had a 16-7 lead. However, after a Patriots score, the Broncos had a Lance Ball fumble, a Tim Tebow fumble and a Quan Cosby fumble to give the Patriots a 27-16 lead.
The Patriots scored early in the third again to take a 34-16 lead. In the fourth quarter, they made an attempt to do Tebow Time with a early Tim Tebow run but unfortunately that would be the end of it. The Patriots scored right after that to make the score 41-23. If the Broncos win out, they are in. If they beat Kansas City in week 17, they win the division. If they only beat Buffalo and not Kansas City, and Oakland wins out, they would be tied and Oakland would win because of division record. Oakland faces Kansas City and then San Diego.
Other losses that help the Broncos today in case a wild card situation arises is the Jets lost to the Eagles and the Titans lost to the Colts. The Bengals won but right now the Jets have the tiebreaker over them and are in that spot.
Yeah we lost but there were some good things. Tim Tebow played a good game throwing the ball. The running game again was unstoppable. However, the turnovers are what did us in and something we have not done. This team was bound to lose a game eventually. Lets keep our heads up and look to 6 days against the Buffalo Bills.
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Tough loss, but not a bad loss
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
+1 If we had to lose now, let it be non conference and a three time SB winner
"I don’t think we’ve peaked yet," - Champ Bailey, practice 12-14-11
"Brady wilts when he gets too much pressure" - Baghdad
by csason on Dec 18, 2011 8:01 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You have to be able to pass to compete in this league....Mr. Elway
Kyle Orton KC 23/31 299 yards 1 td 0 int
Just saying for the Orton Fans. Congrates
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
Bronco fan since 1966. Current biggest Bronco fan in Vegas, living the good life.
ROFL!
Of course you would!
8-3. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
by TheMorseFile on Dec 18, 2011 8:14 PM MST up reply actions
You forgot to mention trips to the redzone
without a TD
Coach John Fox - "Timmy is fine. He's done this his whole life. It's the rest of the guys that are learning it."
Yup he was typical KO
lots of yards through the air, kick for 3
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Ortons "TD" was actually a run by Battle
So no, he didnt have 299 yards and a TD. He was typical KO. Lots of yards thru the air, chokes in the red
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Penalties too
Some tough ones today. 3rd and 24?? ouch.
Plus Rahim Moore shoulda had that pick.
Plus we lack cornerbacks.
Plus we missed Weapon X
ugh
Just think about Harris and the pain will dull away some.
At least it works for me most of the time.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 5:59 PM MST up reply actions
They're still rookies. Carter is usually better at tackling then what he showed tonight.
The one thing I didn’t like was the drop pick by Moore in the first quarter. Isn’t he supposed to be a ball hawk?
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 6:00 PM MST up reply actions
Young team. NE is one of the best in the League. They can't turn the bal over and win.
" Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked" -Psalm 1
"God tolerates even our stammering, and pardons our ignorance whenever something inadvertently escapes us – as, indeed, without this mercy there would be no freedom to pray." -- John Calvin
Absolutely.....
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Young QB vs Maybe the best ever
thought he stacked up ok. We are clearly a few pieces away from being a consistent elite team in the NFL, but it’s clear that piece isn’t QB.
I’d love to get Tebow a big target like Gronk or Hernandez. Was hoping Julius would be that guy, but hasn’t worked out yet.
Youth on defense hurt today. A lot of blown coverage. Goody is playing his last year as a starting CB.
All that said, we control this thing. Let’s get it done this week against Buffalo and then make our way to playoffs by taking Orton down.
Hernandez
One of Tebow’s favourite targets when they played together at UF. I have a bad feeling the Patriots are gonna trade him this year. I hope not. But if they do, maybe Denver will pick him up. It would be amazing
Why would we do that
when we prefer a 5th round “guess” over a pro bowl reciever? Or no one for Gaffeny?
GB 2
No they won't.
They are a TE based offense. Why the heck would they trade their 3rd best option in the receiving corp??
by Revenge of the Fallen on Dec 18, 2011 6:28 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah. Stupid me for wanting it
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
The missed tackles today were absolutely maddening.
I don’t know how many yards came after contact for the Pats, but there was a metric crap-ton of them. Somebody needs to be putting defenders through wind sprints for missed tackles.
8-3. I have seen the future, and the future is bright.
Not a bad time to lose
It will cool off nationwide hysteria that might’ve been getting into some players’ heads. I’m not saying many, but I think it was inevitable that some would be feeling high for no good reason.
And we are still in control and get in by beating KC.
That being said, our defense was manhandled by a better team. Not much worked. Our pass rush was not a factor – and you can’t stop Brady when he has all day to throw. Our rookie safeties played just OK, but not too good – lots of room to grow.
And I hoped we’d have more success through the air on Pats’ depleted secondary. Well, more room to grow here as well. But we knew that as our QB and WRs are all very young.
Our time will come. Add to D in the offseason and continue patiently on O.
by si_ice on Dec 18, 2011 5:52 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Very good point......less media is good :)
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Just one thing - beat KC and we're in
Lose to KC + beat Buffalo = we depend on Oakland losing out. Lose out = we’re out.
Oakland has to lose out if we lose to KC?
If they win 1 of 2 and we lose to the chiefs, they are in? Is this correct?
No
If we lose to KC and beat Buffalo, the Raiders still need to win out to tie, but then they’d win on the tiebreaker. If we beat the Bills and Kyle Orton beats the Raiders next week, it’s over…
by Broncs Cheer on Dec 18, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions
It's simple. If we win one more and Oakland loses one more, it doesn't matter which, we are in.
If we beat KC in the last week, we win no matter what. If we only beat Buffalo, we still win if Oakland loses either of the last two. The reason is because both of Oakland’s last two games are against division opponents. To sum up, if we beat Buffalo and Oakland loses any remaining games, or if beat Kansas City, or if we win out, any one of those scenarios gets us in the postseason as division champs. I’m not sure about the wild card.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
Right, sorry, forgot we need SD to lose at least once, either tonight or in the next two weeks
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
Not really
If we beat buffalo and Raiders lose, we win the division
A win next week PLUS
A Raider loss, AND either a SD loss this week or next week and we are the champs.
Or just beat KC
That is only for the division, we are currently ’’tied’’ with the Jets/Bengals as well and hold tiebreakers over both.
Remaining schedule:
Broncos: @Buff , KC
Raiders: @KC, @SD
SD: @BAL, OAK
KC: OAK, @DEN
So we are all Kyle Orton fans for 1 more week
May be 1 week longer than most fans in Denver have ever been fans.
San Diego
should read: BAL, @DET, OAK
by broncosfan1129 on Dec 18, 2011 6:19 PM MST up reply actions
No way SD beats Baltimore, I think
To steal a baseball term, Denver’s magic number is 2.
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
I amend my post
As SD is currently killing Baltimore. Our magic number is 2 and a half.
Whiskey tends to make me high, and sad songs make me cry. Pretty women break my heart almost every night. I run on beans and nicotine; I'm a real, live buckaroo. And my heart's not pure, my boots ain't clean, and I never tell the truth.
San Diego makes me nervous.
They are doing their customary late season surge. I think even if we win next week, the Bolts are going to be right there with us. We need to be KC, no question about it. I mean, it’s possible that Detroit takes care of business against SD, but I don’t trust them.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 9:28 PM MST up reply actions
We beat KC we will win even if we tie with SD cause we'll own a better division record
that is the must win game
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Why is everyone excusing this loss?
We had them. We can outplay this team. Losing to the Pats is INEXCUSABLE. I don’t care how “good” they are or how “favored” they are. We beat OURSELVES today, and that is NEVER acceptable. THis is NOT OK. We MUST win out. Control our own destiny.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
At least now we have motivation to beat them in the playoffs.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
That's what every team we've beat in the last 6 game said. We didn't get the job done.
Defense gives up 41 points? We give away 3 fumbles? At least Tebow looked like a real QB from start to finish. I think the hype got to everyone except Timmy
Yep.. we lost there is really no pretty loss
Just like there is no ugly win.. I am hoping this is used by the coaches to motivate. If any one on this team was thinking it will be easy its a good wake up call.
Also it showed that we have holes to fill in the team and (in my opinion) QB isnt one of them so thats a plus.
Tebow: always ends with a W
Broncos were exposed in the middle.
If Mays is caught on the field, teams pass right at him. DJ is terrible. Wesley should start at Will and maybe DJ at Mike.
What was Champ doing? Looked old and slow.
Moore and Carter seem to be protecting against concussions.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
Bronco fan since 1966. Current biggest Bronco fan in Vegas, living the good life.
Also Chris Harris played well
I think thats a positive from this game.
Tebow: always ends with a W
One of the best QBs of all time beat our secondary with many rookie starters
Hardy any shame in that.
We needed to be close to perfect to win and turnovers cost us.
Yes, this is assuming SD wins out, including tonight
But the question was about scenarios, and this one is still on the table, even though BAL is favored tonight
Just a good swift reminder
That we are not near to contending for a superbowl. We still have a lot of good pieces to build on and I think that this was a good lesson in humility for us.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Gotta move on
i say if we don’t fumble the ball 3 times in 9 or so plays the score is different. We were dominating them with the run, and Tebow was playing well.
Defense dissapointed me today though. Little or no pass rush, coverage was bad all game and missed assignments hurt us
This team definitely has growing to do…this offseason will be key in adding defensive depth and offensive depth.
That being said, I still haven’t even come close to giving up on this year. As fans, I think the best thing to do is stay optimistic…NE is a good team…giving them three extra possessions is going to hurt. I think this team will bounce back, hopefully with a lot of urgency. I hope in practice this week, ball security is stressed.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
YES - spot on!!!
The 2nd quarter killed it for us!!! The Patriots did not beat us today so much as WE beat OURSELVES!!! Missing B Dawk KILLED us!!! That duo of TE’s are the sickest I’ve ever seen!!! I mean, I’ve seen one TE do better for longer, but I’ve never seen a one / two combo at TE like that EVER!!!! 2 Rookies starting a Safety sealed our fate against Captain America and the Pats.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
I was upset with the number of times Miller was dropping into coverage and the zones
Miller should not be dropping into coverage on passing situations. When the broncos defense is at its best, is when Miller is up on the line.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Good learning experience for young Miller???
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Yeah I am confused about this defensive plan
We didnt use our best weapon which is the pass rush. i know brady was getting the ball out quickly but putting every one in coverage didnt make sense to me.
Tebow: always ends with a W
Guys, hold your heads up
We played a VERY good, EXTREMELY well coached football today, and really the only one who beat us was ourselves. We’ve been due for a goof up like this for a while. This loss does not mean we can’t contend. This loss doesn’t mean we don’t deserve the playoffs (thank you Detroit – never thought I’d hear myself saying that).
Without that retarded 2nd quarter….. we win this game!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
It isn't that I think we don't deserve to be in the playoffs
but if you think this team will make noise in the playoffs you are wrong. We will get eaten alive by the Ravens, Steelers of the conference. I think that we are good enough and deserve to be in the playoffs but don’t be surprised when we get knocked off early in the playoffs.
Atheist for Tebow!
"I do not threaten, I merely state facts"
"Your Agonizer please, Al Harrington"
Wow!!!
That’s the spirit!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Marshawn Lynch going beast mode on the Saints disagrees.
Just saying!
Once you get in ANYTHING can happen!
Marshawn Lynch is another product of Eric Studesville
If he reunites with Studes / McGahee….. it is over for the opposition. We’ll put up 250 on the ground weekly. Here’s my worry….. is Lynch just playing for a contract, or what?
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
AMEN!!!
Tim Tebow is going to be so fired up after this loss…. the world will be lit ablaze!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
That is bull cloudburst.
Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers can light up the scoreboard like this New England team can. If we end up playing either of those teams in the playoffs, we stand a good chance to win, especially on our home field.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
i think u are wrong
the broncos matchup well with the steelers and i think we can beat them in denver however the ravens run game is scary i would prefer the steelers
to think this game was well coached shows stupidity
every time we pass rushed we made good things happen but no we only brought 3 90% of the game… the game was lost by the D and everyone who has say about the defense
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is your own stupidity
I was talking about the Pats!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
come on dude... either way i explained why i thought that it was miss communication.. get off your high pale horse
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Not on a high horse
and fair enough, we mistook each other.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
And no.....
it’s stupid to believe this game was JUST lost on Defense. What about those 3 gimmes in the 2nd our Offense / Special Teams laid at Brady’s feet?
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
41 points lol never mind you are stupid
the defense played a great game… lol come on
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:09 PM MST up reply actions
You need to get off your high horse
and actually talk…. not point fingers and call people out.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
No one said the D played great
I just said it’s not ALL on them.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Really
Sure, it had it’s part. The Patriots shred almost every D they play, but we GAVE them the ball around their own 20….. THREE FING TIMES!!! Makes it hard on a D that’s already minus it’s leader.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
I disagree. It was a combination
It’s a 5 point game once you take away the 13 ponts caused by the three turnovers. It wasn’t just the defense. It was the special teams play and the turnovers by the offense.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
It was a combo
And that’s all I was saying…. that it was not ALL on JUST the D. Offense and Special Teams lost this game just as bad.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
when you specialize in taking out the qb... and you do NOT do that... that is the defense .... if it was the coach who cares it was the defense
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
So, it's that easy to sack Brady huh?
Coming into this game, he’d only been sacked 22 times. It’s not the easiest thing to do. Without those 3 consecutive turnovers, we stand a chance in this game. HOW IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO SEE??? Are you blind? Spotting the Pats 20???
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
So it was the broncos defense that caused the two fumbles on offense and the one on the punt?
Also those fumbles shifted the momentum of the game. Before the fumbles, the broncos were clicking. Once the fumbles happened, it gave the pats life again. That simple
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
YES
Every single ounce of momentum we had in this game, which at one time looked like enough to win, was eradicated in a matter of one quarter. The Defense sucked bad today, but it’s not all on them as this stubborn guy refuses to see.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Is it possible for any loss or win to be all on one aspect of the game
The turn overs hurt but the tackling on D was bad. Also the missed TO by Moore didnt help either. All things considered we put up close to 400 yards and gave up 40+ points. This is a team loss for sure but the Defense definately played bad.
Tebow: always ends with a W
The momentum shifted horribly after the back to back fumbles
We never got back in it after that. We were threatening, but the Ayers penalty which would have given a Brady 3 and out killed it for good
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
there was a second half of football
good teams cancel out human errors…. when you do not hit the QB you will lose… but no we should get into a pass defense with 2 ROOKIE SAFETYS…. be real
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:18 PM MST up reply actions
Either way Brady was tearing us up
Pass rush or not….. he’s done it for years. His pocket presence and quick release negates a pass rush most times. Our secondary is horrible with or without a rush today. The turnover battle is normally always the defining factor in wins and losses (why don’t you know this???)….. today no different. The D played bad…. so did the rest of team. Team loss!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
tom brady destroys veteran secondaries but yeah he wont abuse 2 rookie safeties... lol... football is all about who you have
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
I blame our O-Line in pass pro almost as much as our D
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
And today, our defense showed it was missing some pieces
Preferably another LB and some Safeties who can play football.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
yes i agree we both are on the same side... splitting hairs yes.. but everyone has an opinion
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:24 PM MST up reply actions
What do we do?
Hope B Dawk at 40 and the young Safeties progress, or upgrade??? Rahim Moore is looking like a bust THUS FAR. Quentin Carter looks like a backup. For the record, I was against the Moore pick, and talked myself out of it till now.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
We should give them another year
Weve already gone through 4 safeties in 2 years. Not good
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
It’s a 5 point game once you take away the 13 ponts caused by the three turnovers. It wasn’t just the defense. It was the special teams play and the turnovers by the offense.
literally every Bronco win the last 6 weeks came off turnovers, especially against Oakland and Chicago.
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 18, 2011 11:36 PM MST up reply actions
Go Ravens
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I had a feeling we might keep it close, but I didn't figure we'd win.
All this win does is hurt the Chiefs in the long run IMO. This win makes R.Crennel a option at the H.C job and Orton look like the next new savior.
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Whilst I can't say anything about Crennel
Surely everyone can see that see that this game was typical Orton. Great between the twenties but awful in the Red Zone. Four field goals and only one touchdown wont get it done most weeks.
It was the defense that won the game for you. 19 points wouldn’t have beaten the Packers any other week.
Proud supporter of Birmingham City, Carling Cup Winners 2011
by Matthew Oakley on Dec 18, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah the defense is playing great football.
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K.C. Head Coach
from what i am hearing its gonna be Josh McDaniels
by broncosfan1129 on Dec 18, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
That's the spirit Capn!!!
Awesome win for the Chiefs today bro!!! Proud that someone could stick it to Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood, and I don’t even care it was a rival. Honestly, if not for Orton, I’d be REAL worried about playing you the last game. I am slightly worried even with Neck Beard.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
All I keep envisioning is Orton Tebowing after we beat you guys week 17:P
Thanks for the good words Pale, better luck next week…………………….Maybe:P
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Maybe my friend, maybe
If there is a team in the NFL that even the Colts could beat….. it has to be the Buffalo Jillies!!! Boy I Love to Lose Superbowls!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
I can see a scenario
where AFC west could be knotted 8-8… hope it doesn’t come to that
AMEN! Grats on the win Cavey :)
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
When Willis McGahee went out our offensive production completely stopped.
I think after today’s loss is a must we get a RB in rounds 2 or 3.
After today's loss, there are too many "must gets" to fill in one draft
We still don’t have safeties after inevitable Dawk’s retirement. A CB to replace Goody. A RB – I agree with you here. Of course, it would be nice to have a TE, but this will have to wait – we have just drafted a couple, so need to give them some time.
yeah
really. someone thats not made like a potato chip
by broncosfan1129 on Dec 18, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Great game guys...
..Looks like Timmy can ball. We where lucky with the Mcgee injury. See you guys in the play-offs..
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
Guys are lucky to get to watch Brady every week
Brady is incredible. Frustrating to play against, but incredible.
It really is, even tho he is on the back 9...
…Pretty impressed with Tebow today.
"There is an old saying about the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it's not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together." - Bill Belichick
no good losses
3 Turnovers and far to many missed tackles on defense was story of this game.
And how was it everyone in the world knew Brady would throw to his TEs today and yet the defense continued to allow them to get open? In fairness, the Denver D did take away Gronk and Welker, so maybe just a pick your poison. Still, i would have taken my chances with anyone except the two TE.
Also, I have watched P. Manning, Brady, and Brees (maybe rogers too but he is far more mobile) and as scary as it is the ONLY WAY to really beat these guys is to take the HUGE risks and GO AFTER THEM ALL GAME LONG. And we were in 3 man rush far to much today. Of course my belief is we did that because we did not trust the tackling of our young safeties (with good reason) but they didn’t tackle anyway so we might as well have put Brady on his butt a lot more. The few times we stopped Brady we blitzed and had the non rushes take two steps and jump making Brady far less accurate.
All hindsight of course now , but I think the defensive plan will be MUCH different when we get another crack at them in the playoffs. The only way to beat Brady and Manning is to put them on their ass 4 or 5 times,and harass them ALL DAY LONG. They beat you they beat you, but if you sit back like we did they will beat you for sure.
Still a lot of good things out of this game, and on to the Bills.
yes to think we should bring pressure from 3 down lineman is stupid
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:05 PM MST up reply actions
We don't have the talent right now to play man coverage.......what do you suggest?
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Guys.....
Did Detroit just redeem themselves in the eyes of Bronco fans today. At least, did it make us hate them less!!! That was magical stuff that Stafford and co. pulled off at the end.
In other news….. Don’t be shocked if Tim Tebow gives a speech after this game that is immortalized….. put on a plaque at Dove Valley…… then we win every other game in route to a SB win!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Same here
They can Tebow all they want if they help us keep a 2 game lead over the Faders, including the tie breaker.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Jeremiah Johnson 1 carry for 25 yards......
Why only one carry, and why is he not above ball on the depth chart.
That was a great run.....he showed good moves
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
The lose is easy to explain.....3 turnovers in 9 plays, 3 turnovers in 9 plays, 3 turnovers in 9 plays
3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays,3 turnovers in 9 plays, got it?
by artistnyc on Dec 18, 2011 6:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Orton is so awesome.
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by CPT.Caveman on Dec 18, 2011 6:07 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Yep. He can win from ahead. Wait til a close one.
-Harvey J. Neptune
Pain is temporary. Pride is forever.
On and ever upward. Forward, never backward.
The past is over. The future is unwritten. All we can do is affect our own destiny, God willing, and roll with the punches and make the best of our situation. We all know what is right and what is wrong. So we should do what is right.
I'm just playin man.
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LOL
I’ll have to check it out later:P
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I do admit it makes for better football to watch
When your offense can move the ball, even if it all between the 20’s
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Like I tried to tell those guys, you saw Orton at his best.
When he’s not at his best, you lose….And he’s more often than not “not at his best”.
Yeah I've said the same thing, they just won't listen, so I stayed out today.
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Didn't Orton go 1-5 in the red zone?
I wouldn’t call that Awesome! Well maybe your definition is didn’t from mine.
by MileHighPride on Dec 18, 2011 6:21 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Sarcasm my friend.
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The muffed punt to end the half
by MileHighPride on Dec 18, 2011 6:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
2 fumbles before lead to 10 points
muffed lead to three more. Where are the extra 4 points coming from?
And with less than two minutes to go, I will always bet on Tebow in a situation like that.
Oh and don’t forget the missed XP. Take that away along with the turnovers and it’s a tie game.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
Actually, you could even make an arguement for 4 turnovers...
-18 points on them…
24-24 with that damn extra point.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:21 PM MST up reply actions
I hate when people say "Hold your head high" after you just got your ass handed to you!
Don’t hold your head high-keep it level! Understand what you did wrong and correct it. This team got outplayed, out coached, and simply beaten up! Denver looked liked the Denver Broncos we all knew last year. This team needs to know that this can’t happen anymore. NO LOSS IS A GOOD LOSS-Period! Denver needs to walkout of the stadium in shame, it’s how they come out next week with their backs against the wall that will tell us what kind of team this really is. Keep your head held high in a win-Best just try to stay level headed after what they just gave us today.
by MileHighPride on Dec 18, 2011 6:08 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Tom is all class
Listening to his postgame interview on NBC. Gave props to the fans for staying. Hard to hate that guy IMO
No
I find it pretty easy to hate him! Just as people hate on Tebow-I hate on Brady. Doesn’t make it right but it makes me feel better!
by MileHighPride on Dec 18, 2011 6:15 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I hate Brady too,
Hard to like a guy who leaves a girl who’s 3 months pregnant.
-Champ Bailey's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Champ Bailey-
-The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese -
Uh...
getting a girl preggers ad then leaving? Sorry…he made a major mistake. Not ALL class, but classier than many despite that.
if denver beats buffalo but loses to the chiefs, and the raiders win the next two games, who is in the playoffs?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
really? how?
"They’re a very special group of men. Cherish them, you will not see their like again."
Divisional Record tie breaker swings their way if they win the next two
Because they play 2 afc west opponents the next two weeks.
yeah royal sucks when the play breaks down
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions
yeah I and I feel like we will get better production from both Matt Willis and Royal
by Chuppie Merida on Dec 18, 2011 6:15 PM MST up reply actions
I'm all for this...
I do hope Royal gets a fair look and opportunity to work his way back onto the squad in the offseason. But he’s really starting to disappoint me.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:22 PM MST up reply actions
royal
is a free agent after this season. bye bye eddie
by broncosfan1129 on Dec 18, 2011 6:25 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah... and if I do I'm definitely going to avoid using a player's name this time lol
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 7:51 PM MST up reply actions
the broncos need
raiders to lose to kansas city next week and a chargers loss this week and then take care of business against what i think are 2 bad teams
I'm catching up on the sack number, just alittle too late, me thinks.
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lol, I was just going to go check that out....
But I wasn’t going to say anything..figured you were trying to keep that bet on the down low..lol
I'm like 6 down I think
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I do feel like a lot of momentum was switched on some of the calls
But I’m not sure that you’re not right about the outcome.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Holy Crap stat of the hour.....
Champ Bailey had no tackles……They must have stayed completely away from him.
he also had a couple of missed tackles
although usually from trying to catch up to a player after someone else missed.
Do we wait and see if our young Safeties develop?
Or do we nab TJ McDonald / Mark Barron if we have the chance. Some horrid Safety and O-Line play today folks.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
I think you guys should go CB early.
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Tebow
I think Tim played a great game, other than the fumble but those will happen. he does need to be more mindful in the pocket in two MAJOR ways going into the playoffs assuming we make it in.
1) keep ball close to the chest in the pocket, especially as he starts to roll or move around
2) no more negative plays in the pocket…
…I know he was really trying to just make some desperation plays at the end and keep the play alive, but in the playoffs against the Steelers and Ravens, he will have to get rid of that ball when he breaks the first tackle of makes the first guy miss in the backfield. Either throw away Tim or move forward and take positive all the yards you can no matter how few.
Other than that it is hard to get on Tim today. Almost 200 yards passing, led team in rushing (almost 100 yards rushing) and 2 rush TD. I would say he did about all he could.
This team still needs a few pieces as others mentioned. 2 CB, move Bailey to Safety perhaps?, a RB and a stud TE. So many plays today where a stud TE would have been wide open.
All that said, I am still very very thankful for these exciting games with Tebow. I watched Orton win today but I still SLEPT THROUGH MOST OF IT because it was boring Orton. !!!!!! Happy for Orton, but he is still as boring as ever and not clutch.
Tebow looked pretty damn good today
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 18, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions
Yes WB, he certainly did
the O-Line, and defense (Safeties) did not.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
But Orton's boring won a game today
Remember how were saying this thing about Tebow just a bit earlier? Orton won today. Tebow lost
Folks who say we should cut Dawk...should rewatch this game.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Agreed Todd
but how long can we keep doing this. If we keep relying on Dawk THIS much at his old age, he’ll stay hurt even more. Something needs to be done at Safety, and soon. Moore is not getting it done.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Moore is a rookie......we were the worst D in football last year....
There will be growing pains, but it needs to be done. The O turnovers put the D in a bad place, that they couldn’t bounce back from.
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
agreed
and the O-Line was a sieve…. the WR’s could get no separation….. and our secondary is atrocious!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Cut? No. But we can't continue to count on him to be there for us.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Dec 18, 2011 6:31 PM MST up reply actions
Didnt Von have a sack ?
Tebow: always ends with a W
Yep.....he drilled Brady to ground for his 12.5 sack
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
I thought that was Doom?
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
It was.
and it was glorious.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
by MrFNSunshine on Dec 18, 2011 6:32 PM MST up reply actions
It was, but I wish he would have stripped it there.
Brady was a sitting duck, never saw Doom coming. It looked like an easy strip.
I’m greedy.
give Brady credit there
cause I do not have any idea how he didn’t fumble. It had to hurt too, because Brady made damn sure he jumped right back up. Brady in no way wanted his own blood in the water after that play, very savy veteran move.
Damn Brady, but what a great great player
Doom and Carter had sacks
Miller tackled Brady for a negative 5/6 yard loss after a snap was mishandled. I’m not totally sure, but I think the QB is considered a runner at that point after the ball hits the ground…. so tackle for loss, but no sack. Either way, it was a great play for Von.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
You're right....I think Von got one earlier in the game however
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
I thought that was Dumervil
I only counted two – Doom, and Q. Carter – basically his only tackle that he didn’t miss.
Yeah I thought so, it didnt show up in NFL.com so I was curious.
Tebow: always ends with a W
Technically.... no
The snap was mishandled, so I think it’s just considered a tackle for loss when it hits the ground first.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
Oh well. thats bad.
Tebow: always ends with a W
safeties
In my opinion this was about the pass defense. It’s our achilles heel (sorry Bruton) and it has been all season. Good quarterbacks that can make reads can carve us apart. Rodgers, Stafford, even Ponder, now Brady.
Dawkins would have helped a lot.
I’m disappointed in our safeties. How could we spend two 2nds and two 4ths on safeties and not have better output?
The turnovers hurt of course, but I’m not sure zero turnovers would have been sufficient to win this.
We have the WORST luck with Safeties
All that trash back in Shanny’s last few years (minus Lynch of course)….. McBath….. Bruton….. Moore….. Carter….. Josh Barrett….. we can’t hit on a Safety to save our life.
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
kinda makes you miss the old Atwater and D. Smith days...
but of course safeties can’t play that way anymore without penalties and suspensions.
My X-MAS wish is for the division to go 8-8, muahahahaha:P
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Very possible...
We could have four AFC west teams at 8-8
We could have four teams tied for wild card at 9-9;
Broncos could get the WC, if they beat buffalo only (assuming that Bengals and Titans lose one of their games)
Perrish Cox just tweeted that he's at the Baylor/Uconn "girls game"
Lets hope they keep him away from the water bottles……
LOL!!!!
No doubt!!!
"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... HE may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals" Prime on Tebow!!!
"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another"
"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom 100% of the time...... Foxy has this in spades!!!"
We were out coached. Opening 2 drive we go down and score 2 TD's. 3rd time out...
we’re driving and it’s 4th and less than a yard, we kick a FG. Go for it and we surely get a TD. Ad those 4 points + the 3 we gave up when we gave the ball back with 50 odd seconds left in the end of the second, and we go into halftime 24-20 instead of 27-16
We just plain lost
giving the ball away three times cost us 13 points.
Go Broncos!
I believe.... 10-6 till we ain't baby!
I do agree...
…even my mother, a long time Broncos fan, text me and said “with a young team like Denver you HAD to go for that 4th down”. I understand why Fox kicked it tho because having a two score lead on New England was the SAFE call. However, I think the confidence gained by going for that 4th down, assuming they made it, would have been HUGE. I also believe they would have made that 4th down at that point as great as they were rushing the ball.
+1
but it’s been said many times that Fox plays not to lose. As opposed to ……..
The announcers used the term “conservative” about a dozen times today, refrerring to Fox.
GB 2
Not the coach that fumbled.
Changed the complexion of the game.
If you want to see the m ost recent result of going for it on 4th down early, go check out the opening drive for the Raiders today. They lost out on the 3 points, and it would have won them the game. You insist on assuming the 4th down play will absolutely result in a first down.
I do
At that point the Pats were not going to stop that run. Not with Tebow there.
And the Raiders are NOT the Broncos. If you have the #1 rushing attack in the league, and a 4th and 1 at that spot in the game on that area of the field YOU RAM IT DOWN THEIR THROATS.
Like I said, coach FOX made the safer call, not faulting him for that AT ALL. Having a two score lead on the Pats was great either way. Just think it would have showed a ton of faith in the O from their coach.
But that play was far from the reason we lost this game. 3 turnovers will almost always make you lose a game, especially against a great veteran on the other side.
We have a young team...
and these kinds of losses against perennial dynasty teams like the Patriots can be humbling and god for the soul and good for the film room instruction to follow.
We made a great showing putting Tebow Time in the 1st Quarter for a change…but we need to learn to sustain it through 4 quarters. I cannot wait for this team to play a complete game…all four quarters great explosive offense combined with dominating defense…we really need that…we are so close…just keep on persevering and getting better each week.
Thanks Lions, but we still owe you a devastating loss one day….but that helps ease the pain…to keep the Raiders back a game. And Holy Neckbeard! Orton looked like a leader again today…beating the GB Packers…that must have been very satisfying for him…the only QB in the league that got to face them twice out of their division…..LOL Hope he doesn’t Tebow us in two weeks!
Losses always suck
regardless of who it is against. However you can’t turn the ball over three times to NE and not expect them to take advantage of them. That was the key to the 6-game winning streak and the reason they lost. With that said it, it was nice to see them start out playing very well and running the ball at ease.
Now it’s time to rebound from this and beat Buffalo.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009-10 back-to-back NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Oh...
and I’d rather lose this one and learn from the loss than lose int he first round of the playoffs at home…
Well, thats why you play the games.
If Von comes back to where he was and some guys get healthy we can win in the playoffs.
Sure...
Not all teams have the Pat offense, and our offense is improving, regardless of losing today.
Yeah Tebow just got off my Runslingers list.
The dude is a class act in my book, and he can throw the ball.
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Indeed!
I think a different season begins when the playoffs start. Plus we have the home field advantage for the first game if we win the division….that’s gotta help…pray for a Tebow snow game…LOL
I would love to face the Steelers in the wild Card Round at home in the snow! Perfection!
All we have to do is play one complete game or have a Tebwo Time miracle come from behind game and we go farther than the first round… a few turnovers, as we saw today, can change the nature of any game…
I see us getting the boot...
in the second round….but wouldn’t it be nice to get to play NE again at Foxboro for the AFC Championship with all the chips stacked against us, and we get the turnovers instead?
Yuck I hate the Chargers.
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Trouble is...
I hate to pull for the Ravens (classless Ray Lewis) but GO RAVENS!
Man, I cannot overstate how much I hate the Chargers
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I can see it now.
Week 17 the Broncos season on the line, and they get beat by Orton whom is Tebowing at midfield:P
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OH, bad thought, bad thought...
if that happens the Broncos belong no where near a playoff game. Maybe not even as spectators.
Hope it doesn't happen at all...
Hope Miller and Doom sack him seven times…but if I were Orton, and I was able to beat Denver with my passing and won it on the last play of the game in overtime…I would walk Tebow my way down the whole field, regardless of any fines that might come…LOL
Denver has faced four quarterbacks currently ranked in the top-10 in yards passing
— Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford, Philip Rivers (twice) and Brady. We’re 1-4 in those games.
GB 2
This loss is really bothering me. We had them right where we wanted them in the 2nd quarter, and we just blew it. Then in the 4th, our offense gives us a small chance, but the D failed to get a stop. This was just a really disheartening loss. We need a blowout win against Buffalo to get our confidence back. Not Tebow time, a blowout win. As of right now, I don’t think we have enough talent offensively to pose a threat to anyone in the playoffs. And certainly not against Pittsburgh or Baltimore’s D. We need a RB and a #1 WR. I say draft Richardson, Montee Ball, or Lamar Miller and then make a strong push for Desean Jackson. We need playmakers on offense in the worst way. Oh, and defense, LEARN HOW TO TACKLE. That was pitiful. Ok, enough of my rant. Gonna try to keep hope, but the loss proved to me that we’re not much of a threat to good teams. Still hope we make the playoffs, but i’m not optimistic about our chances once we get there anymore. Hopefully this game serves as a wake-up call to the team. That’s about all we can ask for right now.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Dec 18, 2011 6:54 PM MST via mobile reply actions
see above post...
amazing how different perceptions are. I suspect a little of both are accurate.
I still think the defense needs a lot of help too. But the offense is bad, in my opinion. Moreno has playmaking abilities, but is made of glass. And McGahee is old, and is suddenly made of glass as well. We don’t have a #1 WR. Decker is solid, but he isn’t a #1 WR. I’m not sure what to make of DT. He either drops passes, or he’s making plays. He’s too inconsistent to be a #1 WR.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Dec 18, 2011 7:07 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I've thought exactly the same thing throughout this win streak
but didn’t have the eggs to say it……..was afraid the kool aid drunks would ‘get’ me. :P:
This has been fun but not reflective of the team’s actual talent.
We need a RB and a #1 WR.
Love this idea but Fox will disagree with us.
GB 2
Yeah probably. I like that Tebow is progressing, but he needs a WR who can get open downfield. I thought for a while that we might have that in Decker, but he’s kinda disappeared lately. I think a playmaker like Jackson would work wonders for the offense. It’ll be interesting to see what they do in the offseason.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Dec 18, 2011 7:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Well...
the Broncos are not quite ready for prime time. Granted they are young offensively and it shows, they will be fine. It’s the blowouts anytime they face a decent quarterback that concerns me. The perception of the defense being good is skewed by the poor quarterback play of the teams they have beat. They have a long way to go defensively… a loooong way. Draft defense then defense followed by defense. I know the turnovers hurt and they got a little gassed but they had NO ANSWER period.
I just think we were not mentally prepared for this game.
Too many dumb mistakes, and Crosby trying too hard to get that run back.
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Remember..
We were(rightfully so) expected to win at most 5 or 6 games this year. We just need to have another good…DEFENSIVE focused draft and we will be a good complete team. The idea of drafting another QB needs to be put to bed though.
I predicted 9-7.
Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 18, 2011 6:59 PM MST up reply actions
I like the way we came out swinging
and scored on our first three drives, 80 yards, 82 yards, and 62 yards.
T’was exciting.
But the turnovers killed us.
Thoughts after a defeat
1) Overall, the offense is improving.
2) Pats defense is not over-rated
3) We missed Dawkins
4) The first Pats TD was on Carter, not Goody, imo
5) I agree with taking the FG on the 3rd drive….Today, the Raiders lost due to trying for it, missed 3 points in their first drive. At that time, we did not know if it was going to be a shootout.
6) Tebow continues to improve his footwork and accuracy. The Receivers are beginning to gel with him. Tebow showed moves today he MUST have copied from Elway.
7) We have been playing at a very high level during our streak in terms of ball security and overall D…Not today.
8) JJ looks like a good running back. Must be bringing him along slowly.
9) Our linebackers are not able to handle coverage duties well enough against the pats..who does?
10) For a rebuilding year, this has been GREAT. It shows me that I should trust the D coaching staff, as we have gotten a probable playoff season with a team that bought in to the staff, but has some areas that need to be upgraded.
11) As for the O staff (McCoy under Fox), I think this can work with an improving balance of pass and run ad a few more play-makers with some speed.
12) HECK YEAH! OAKLAND LOST!!
GO BRONCOS!!!
Yes
I agree with #4 – he committed upfield too quickly. I saw that too. Carter seems to make bad positioning decisions a lot once the play starts.
Hard to be too down on Lance Ball for the fumble, he’s usually Mister Reliable. Just a bad game for the Broncos. This was about the pass defense.
Similar thoghts
1) We don’t have a QB issue
2) We do have a secondary issue
3) We miss BDawk
4)OF coordinator is improving, but still lacks creativity and surprise
5) Discipline needs improvement – fumbles unacceptable
6) We CAN do damage in the playoffs, IF the above holds true
7) Defense, defense, defense in the draft
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime.
"As a quarterback, all you want is an opportunity to lead your team to victory" - Tim Tebow
Receivers are beginning to gel...
I would say receiver is beginning to gel. Thomas was a one man show and that ain’t gunna cut it, he is going to have to get more receivers involved…though they might have to get open to be involved.
And I'll add...
1) What happened to Von Miller…Is this ALL on his injury?
2) Jeremiah Johnson needs to play more.
3) We need to draft DB in the 1st round.
4) We need to sign 1 big name FA.
The Von Miller question is a good one.
Does anyone know what the deal with him was today. Did he play? He had one tackle. Anybody…what happened to him? He can’t have games like this if he is going to be an impact player.
I think the whole team had too much Christmas party this week.
Clearly the focus on execution was gone…
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Nick should have an easy Studs&Duds post this week...
Studs ~ 0
Duds ~ 46
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
This seems about right
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Lonnie Paxton really shit the bed today. He was all out of sorts on two snaps, one of which resulted in that missed PAT.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I thought bey bey had an excellent game
but other than that, yeah shitty game
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Special Teams hurt us alot today...
All the guy is paid to do is snap the ball…nothing else…just snap the freakin ball…flubbed TWO today that I saw…
So does this mean we don't win the Never Say Never award this week? Darn...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
actually Raider's loss and Denver's win against buffalo
should give the division to Denver
Nope need thr tRaiders to lose...he tie breaker thingy...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Third tiebreaker for division
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
Assuming Raiders lose to chiefs and denver beats buffalo and chargers win thru
chargers will be 7-7 while denver will be 9-7
What would happen if the
Broncos and Chargers tie at 9-7?
See above
We have a better record against common opponents
The first tie-breaker is division wins/loses.
If we lose to KC and the Chargers win out they win.
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I ain't arguing with ya no more...We're 3-2 division wins. If we lose to KC and the Chargers win out we're done...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Correct, the key game is KC...
Broncos have to win that one.
Assuming we lose to Kansas
We will be 3-3 , and chargers will be 3-3 even if they win out
If Oakland loses to KC, and we beat Buffalo, we are the division winner
Ding ding...You win...LOL
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I think they better win out...
backing in doesn’t bode well.
Chargers need to lose.....Harbaugh is being more conservative than Fox :O
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
There is a third scenario in which we could still win the division without winning
any of the remaining games…
Chargers beat Baltimore, Raiders; but lose to Detroit
Raiders beat Kansas and lose to Broncos
Head to head record will be same for all three teams
In a three way tie at 8-8; all teams have the same record
In common games, Denver is 9-7 while Raiders and chargers are 7-7
but we play two bad teams to close out the season. We’ll beat Buffalo and KC, but we must not play so dumb again. or coach so dumb. Fox had yet another brain fart at the end of the 1st half. His game day decision making continues to shock me with how dumb it can be.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Correction
in the above scenario,
Common records excluding the games among them and the game against AFC south and North
Denver is 5-5; Oakland and chargers will be 4-6
Raheem Moore looks horrible out there. Horrible in several respects. I was expecting better from that draft pick, but he looks like he needed another year at UCLA.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
So did Weddle 3 years ago..Development in the offseason once again...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
and Carter and Goody....
We were taken to school by a great QB…..No need to waste a pic on a QB. Get D depth for cryin out loud :)
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
That ball smacked him right in the face
I thought he was a ball hawk
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
that one got tipped by Gronk at the last second. By Moore had about 4 missed tackles and his coverage was way below par. Dennis Allen also had a bad game. We were running around like lost souls a few times. Our D looked totally out of sorts.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
The ridiculous fumbles and the free fg cosby gave didnt help matters either. Our secondary got exposed today. Doesnt help when the lead ref looks the other way when miller is in a bear hug and a rear naked choke on back to back plays
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
Turnovers were the story of this game and also the story of both Denver's and NE's 6-game win streak
Just reviewed turnover stats for both win streaks and found the following: During NE’s now 6-gm win streak they have won the turnover battle during every single game, usu by 2 or more. Last game they lost (vs Giants) they gave up more than they got.
During Denver’s 6-gm streak they have not been as good as NE but have been ahead or even in this stat every game except for vs Chicago(-1). So what this means is we are not good enough to win if we have more turnovers than our opponents……………….but neither is New England.
I hope we get a match up with the Ravens....slow and overrated so far tonight
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
If the Ravens continue to play like this...
I would love to see them in a playoff game in Denver. Nothing would be sweeter than punching them in the mouth!
Indeed!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
Crap. Chargers score again
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17 pt lead. Not good for us..
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Ravens D did better without the "criminal" in the last few weeks....
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
This game is as good as over...
The Broncos just have to take care of business. If they can’t beat Buffalo away and KC at home then they don’t belong in the playoffs.
yep
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 18, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
Wow the Ravens are sucking too...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Loved Tebow today again!!
…better every week!!!
Fingers crossed!
He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which.
Douglas Adams
He is coming along nicely, isn't he?
With an offseason to work on things, and a few tweaks on the offensive weapons, things could get very interesting.
Flacco reminds me of Orton...Same mold...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
This was supposed to be a separation weekend....
Raiders-Lions, Chiefs- Packers, bolts-Ravens……
Oh well, didn’t work out that way….
Should be interesting next week!
W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!
We're still in the drivers seat as long as we don't try to switch drivers at 160 mph...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
How come the warm weather team like chargers
start playing so well in december… they could easily end up Wild Card
Denver played one of their dumbest games in a decade. The Ayers penalty on 3rd and 24, the Coby fumble, the play calling at the end of the 1st half, the second Cosby fumble, the false start on a punt, the McBean facemask, the wide open TEs all day long…
We must have had a horrible week in practice because we have about 10 morons out there. That game today was enough of Cosby. he should be cut. We can use a guy that has no brain in his head.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
forgot the 12 men on the field. Was McJedi coaching us today?
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
And Im not too sure about dumbest in a decade
remember the AZ game last year? How about the 59-14 debacle?
"It's all over fat man!"
-Tom Jackson
"When John Elway is standing in lava with a football, he will stay there and sink until you're open"
-Seanbaby
The 59-14 game was the worst since the 49er Super Bowl blowout.
One of the lowest points in Bronco history!
chalk up dumb to the coaching staff as well
rushing 4 vs Brady all game, which clearly didn’t work except for 3 plays, was stupid. Running the ball against a stout run D all day when they have an injured backfield on D ranked last against the pass. I seriously feel like I could’ve chalked up a better gameplan. This was the scheme of a team playing “not to lose” instead of playing for a “W”
Fox/McCoy/Allen played not to lose, and to no surprise they lost. I would’ve rather preferred to see us lose while giving it our all and going all out with an aggressive scheme, not losing while playing such a conservative pussy game.
C'mon, join us, there's plenty of koolaid on the Broncos bandwagon for everyone!
by DBroncs1414 on Dec 18, 2011 11:55 PM MST up reply actions
I really don't think
that Tom Brady and his coach don’t need the kind of help the Broncos gave them today.
thanks for that piece of work, ravens. geez.
"It’s embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow." — Merril
Ravens suck
Flacco is a bum who is over hyped because he plays behind a fantastic D. I hope the Steelers win that division so if we make the playoffs we draw the Ravens first round. If Harbaugh refuses to give it to Rice we will smoke them as the Chargers did, no doubt.
C'mon, join us, there's plenty of koolaid on the Broncos bandwagon for everyone!
by DBroncs1414 on Dec 18, 2011 11:57 PM MST up reply actions
Should have made them come to work on monday.
Remember in the post game locker room after the Bears game Fox said see you guys on wednesday.
The D looked completely unprepared.
Chuck Norris once asked Tim Tebow for advice on martial arts.
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