Team Loss To Patriots Leaves Broncos No Worse In AFC West
by John Bena on Dec 18, 2011 9:45 PM MST
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Let's just get it out of the way. Losing sucks. I'm not all that upset that the Broncos lost to the Patriots tonight. Tom Brady and the Patriots do what they did to the Broncos to a lot of teams. What I AM upset about, though, is HOW the Broncos lost today. I've often said that. Winning and losing is part of the game. HOW you lose is the tough part. For the Broncos, that meant penalties, poorly timed returns, and turnovers.
The Broncos were doing exactly what they wanted to do. They were controlling the clock. They were moving the ball at will. Even when the Patriots scored to take a 7-6 lead, the Broncos answered with a touchdown of their own, then got a defensive stop and were driving again. The Patriots were on their heels, and the Broncos looked poised to turn New England into a one-dimensional team. What happens over the next 15 minutes or so of game time turned the game and really showed where the Broncos are vulnerable.
I don[t want to dwell on this game for too long. It is, after all, just one loss, and the Broncos are still sitting pretty in the AFC West after the Raiders got Megatron'd at home by the Lions. Let's take our medicine and move on is what I say, but I do have a couple of thoughts.
First, it's hard for me to really criticize John Fox for much over the past couple months. He is playing a conservative style of offense, choosing to take points and end possessions with kicks. That said, the Broncos were averaging about 11 yards per carry when faced with a 4th and 1 from the Patriots' 9-yard line. If you are ever going to take a chance, simply based on the momentum and flow of a football game, that was it. Sure, Fox played it the same way he has all year, but I was hoping the Broncos would go for it at the time and feel the same now.
The turnovers are really starting to kill the Broncos. They've turned it over 7 times in the last 3 games. While they found ways to win the last two - getting four turnovers of their own has helped - they were unable to get the Patriots to make any mistakes today. If you are a minus-3 in the turnover battle you are going to lose. The Broncos need to get back to protecting the ball.
I'll admit, I was a bit puzzled by the defensive game plan, though I give props to the Patriots for doing what they do. Knowing that Rob Gronkowski was going to get a ton of attention, the Patriots targeted the other Florida Gator on the field - TE Aaron Hernandez. The result was 11 targets for Hernandez. he made 9 catches for 129 yards and a touchdown. The Broncos - young at safety with Brian Dawkins on the shelf - simply had no answer. That wasn't the puzzling part. While I agree that blitzing Tom Brady can be hazardous to your health, you can't drop 8 into coverage. Brady will dissect your defense, and it takes one of your best pass rushers - Von Miller - out of the rush. There were at least three key third downs that I saw Miller drop in coverage. Sometimes the Patriots leave you little choice based on formation, they go with an empty backfield a ton, but Dennis Allen and John Fox need to find a way - if there is a way.
The Broncos were only penalized 7 times for 39 yards, but they all seemed to be huge. Particularly damning was an illegal hands to the face call against Robert Ayers in the third quarter. While the Patriots didn't score on the possession, it allowed their drive to continue out towards midfield, changing field position.
Quan Cosby will have to feel fortunate to have a job come Tuesday. There were two questionable decisions to return kickoffs that left the Broncos in tough field position, and of course the muffed punt that gave the Patriots three points before halftime. With the Patriots deferring, they plan on having the ball to end the first half, then receiving the opening kickoff. They've done it that way for years and is something we have discussed often when Josh McDaniels was the Head Coach. It turned an 8-point deficit into an 11-point deficit at the half. A huge difference.
Today also showed the Broncos need to bring in a difference maker at running back/wide receiver. A Percy Harvin-type to create match-up problems for opposing defenses. Willis McGahee is in beast mode, but he is not the back of the future. Can we really count on Knowshon Moreno?
One last thing on Tebow. During Training Camp, it is hard to describe what you are seeing, especially when it is on the practice field. We saw it today. Tebow struggles when trying to throw to his right - across his body. There were three different occasions when Tebow tried to hit a 15-20 yard out to his right and bounced it in.
Along the same line, you've heard a lot about defenses trying to keep Tebow from going to his left. You saw why today. Tebow made plenty of plays when scrambling to his left. On plays to his right, however, Tebow's first reaction was not to throw - it was to spin back to his left. The Patriots were waiting.
To me, both things are fixable and will be worked on in the offseason. It will have to be.
There were also plenty of positives, especially in the first quarter. The Broncos - when they play mistake-free football, can play with most teams in the NFL. That said, they've played three high-powered offenses - Green Bay, Detroit and New England - and gave up 40+ points in each game. That is due to several things - mainly some major holes in the defensive backfield. The Broncos are trending up, however.
Now we focus on the task at hand. The Broncos still control their own destiny with two games to go. We've been here before and haven't been able to seal the deal. Not this time. Not with this quarterback. A loss is a loss, but it only counts once. The Broncos have a short week to get back to work. There is, after all, a division to win!
Oh yea, one more thing. This was pretty awesome!
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Just an edit, I think the Pats TE is Rob Gronkowski
at the game, and I have to wonder, when you get 160 something yards in the first quarter, why you would stop….running.
All the Pats fans around me were asking why we stopped running. My Vikings fan dad texted me to say we needed to run. Everyone and their mother (including mine!) knew to run.
Oh well, you can’t turn it over 3 times and expect to win.
Not worried, 2 games left, Go Broncos!
POP POP!!!
The Pats have two tight ends
And they often play two tight end sets. Hernanadez is the other one besides Gronkowski
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We didn't abandon the run in the 2nd quarter
We just fumbled twice on 2 running plays. 2nd quarter killed the momentum.
I love the .gif
Takes the sting out of losing just a bit.
As the ancient Tibetan Philosophy states "Don't start none, won't be none!"
I'm still a believer in Moreno being our future.
In the same breath, we still need to look for a back to be a change of pace for him. I still love the idea Sayre mentioned on getting Jeff Demps. He’s quick, small and should be available in the fifth round… maybe fourth. If Moreno fails to turn into a dominate back after next season though, then I’m all on board with finding a main back to replace him. As of now, I 100 percent believe he’s on the verge of being a huge threat.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 9:59 PM MST reply actions
I respectfully disagree Royal
I think he is the change of pace/3rd down back and nothing more. The problem with that is he isn’t fast enough to be a change of pace back, and he sure as heck isn’t tough or big enough to be a between the tackles type of runner.
by Bronco Mike on Dec 18, 2011 10:12 PM MST up reply actions
He's still young and learning
In the K.C. game he got hurt in, I was 100 percent sure he had found a rhythm. He’s training his butt off, and as long as he can come back from this injury, it’s going to pay big time. There’s no doubt he’s a great back on the edge, and I think Fox can get him to be great up the middle too. He may never be a punishing running back, but with our style of offense, I’m sure he’ll find ways to sneak between the tackles. I’m not going to sit here and pretend I don’t understand where the criticism comes from, and if he doesn’t start playing the ball he’s capable of soon, it won’t take too much to get me on your side. I’m just going to keep my faith at least another full season, and I hope the Broncos do the same, and I really hope he does something with that chance if he gets it.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:51 PM MST up reply actions
I don't believe in Moreno.
Two reasons.
First, he can’t stay healthy.
Second, he always seems to come up small in crucial plays. We need to draft a RB.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
His health is a big concern.
But really, any running back’s health is the same way. Any running back can get hurt at any time. I’m just keeping my fingers crossed that Moreno’s share of injuries has been bad luck. As far as the crucial plays, a lot of them were running up the middle into a brick wall in short distance situations, something he’s not built for. Fox’s run game seems to be more about finding holes and running early and often. This game plan is designed for guys like I think Moreno has the potential to be. Give him a full season in it and my money is on him thriving. Like I said above in my reply to Bronco Mike though, I can see where others don’t believe and wouldn’t put more than I could afford to lose on him.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:55 PM MST up reply actions
Knowshon
Still waiting on him to make a big play. He’s just not going to be the guy IMO. Time to move on from Knowshon.
Knowshon has made plenty of big plays
Just check out this highlight video which was made before the season, or my favorite Moreno play of all time that he made against the Seahawks. And IMO, he was looking even better this year before he got injured. Sure, he may not have breakaway speed to take it 80 yards to the house, but he still has some damn good runs. And he’s still young, so I only see him improving, especially under Fox.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 AM MST up reply actions
I'm ok with him too... but I'd like to have:
1. another #1 RB, since we know McGahee won’t last long… and then keep Knowshon as the #2
2. a small, quick and option-conversant like LaMichael James
and 3. a powerfull 3rd and short h-back like Michael Bush.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
You can never have too many great running backs on your team lol
And Moreno at No. 2 wouldn’t bother me. I would just hate to let him go before we see his true potential play out.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Dec 19, 2011 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Don't overlook Jeremiah Johnson as the change of pace
guy. I’m impressed with what I’ve seen in him. Dude is fast and has that low, running style…I think we need to give him some more touches…
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
The Mountain Man has staying power
he always plays well!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 12:55 PM MST up reply actions
I think we can, Royal
Remember we have plenty of youth at WR and we don’t need to invest much on them since we a run first forever offense… we must have a strong corp with quality depth at RB
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
I agree, however!
Moreno has the potential to be a lights out RB, if he changes the way he runs. His style of running doesn’t match his durability. Guys like Reggie Bush can run this way and survive in the league because they some how survive the ham string injuries and whateve ailes them. Moreno, for some reason seems to incur a season ending injury every time he takes it upon himself to run the way he likes. I don’t know the answer, but I have watched and played with guys that play within themselves. Barry Sanders could move laterally, horizontally, diagonally at will and not sustain an injury. You’ll notice I didn’t say vertically. You have to know your limits and know what your body is made to do. I don’t think Moreno has figured that out yet. You can’t be a dominant football player in your position unless you play a full season (Frank Gore). Guys like Gore and Turner know how to do that, it can’t be coached, it has to be in your heart and in your football intuition……all that mumbo jumbo being said….I think we need to draft an elite RB this year to compliment the style of offense we are taking on. Maghee is outstanding but he is aging and is showing just how durable he is…not so much…We need another young guy (Bell) that Fox can turn into a 1,000 yard rusher. I hope I’m not just making sense in my own mind….let me know what you think.
i would rather lose to them this day then in the playoffs
by Joshua Glover on Dec 18, 2011 10:05 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
YES!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
Take it easy on McGahee
I really take issue with these off hand slights that lack perspective. I think what we see with him is a guy who has rested legs after 4 years…he’s right in his prime, continues to put up the numbers when healthy and you just dismiss him out of hand. He is playing hurt right now and is having a career best season. I really take issue with such trite unfair dismissive comments. No doubt he can use help in Fox’s scheme…but as far as I am concerned, get used to him runnin the rock for a while…he has a ways to go…
This isn't an off-hand slight..
I respect what he had done this year, and he’s on the cusp of 1000 yards. Fact us, however, he’s gotten dinged in 4 games this season. Is that is fault? No. But the Broncos need depth and a difference maker at RB and McGahee’s presence doesn’t change that. How does that lack perspective?
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Agreed
McGahee is awesome when he isn’t hurt. But he definitely is not effective coming off a week where he was limited because of injury. His durability is definitely a question mark with me.
by Bronco Mike on Dec 18, 2011 10:14 PM MST up reply actions
Does not seem he's been hurt/dinged any
more than any other running back in the league. No way to avoid all “hurts” during the season. He’s had a great season and is still very strong. Several times yesterday he picked up add’l ydg after being stoned at the line of scrimmage…I’d say he’s got 2 more productive years in him.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
My feeling was...
Saying at this very moment that " he is not the back of the future" is like saying Bailey cant cover anymore based on their body of work to date. What future? Next year? You don’t say… how far in the future are you talkin about? If you mean 3 years out I could see that…We agree on the help…Ball did good today save the fumble…and I agree on the tandem if this is the offense we are gonna get…but for no lets let him rin as long as he can…now then you wanna say someone isn’t our guy in the future? I give you Andre Cant Cover Goodman…
Semantics..
My point is this. Willis McGahee can not be the guy for 16 games, 25-30 touches per game. The Broncos need a change of pace back. They need an explosive back. I was disappointed today that Jeremiah Johnson didn’t get more touches.
McGahee is a piece, but the Broncos need more playmakers.
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by John Bena on Dec 18, 2011 10:54 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
I agree about JJ. The guy reels off a huge run, and that was his only rush of the game. Not sure why he wasn’t utilized more often.
by jbbroncosfan27 on Dec 18, 2011 10:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I say get rid of Moreno and have JJ take over for him.
Trade Moreno for some picks.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:28 PM MST up reply actions
Moreno is going to be a FA
But second of all, nobody’s going to give up anything for him. Picks or otherwise.
They should target a player like LeMichael James in round 3 (or Demps or Rainey or any number of scatter backs). Or like I said last off-season, just sign Darren Sproles (the best one there is). Dang!
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too bad the Saints love Sproles too much
he’s Brees’ favorite friend, even more so than Jimmy Graham, I don’t think they’ll give him up
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
I agree Bena
give the Mountain Man more touches, he’s explosive!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
Fully agree here
Having a 31 year old lead running back is not ideal for the future, especially one that is not a home run threat and has been hurt roughly a quarter of the season for more than one injury. Looking forward, with the Broncos establishing that they are a run-first team, they need to explore finding a back to compliment McGahee next year and then replace him when it is time.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Yes, but don't draft one very high. The key to our running game is our O-line. It is becoming
very good. Next year….wow. I think with McGahee, Moreno, Ball, JJ we are in pretty good shape (Larsen also) I wouldn’t use anything greater than a 3rd round pick on a rb next year.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
I'm with you rubin
Our O line is doing a nice job and we have a lot of different guys getting yards.
Go Broncos!
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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 AM MST up reply actions
BREAK AWAY SPEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDD
we need it
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 7:36 AM MST up reply actions
Like most older tailbacks
McGahee takes longer to recuperate but when he’s healthy, he’s among the best in the league. I will forever admire and respect him for what he’s done for my beloved Broncos!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
I agree
Run him till he can’t run anymore. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will be for too long, a season or two. Keep the rebuilding thought in the back of your mind. We have to look to the future (after we make the playoffs) and look for a McGahee replacement. I don’t think that replacement is Moreno. It has to be a down hill runner that is durable and when in space can make people miss and out run the secondary. They are out there. Watch USC in the next couple years, they have a couple guys that will be great. I won’t name names now but keep an eye on them.
worst defensive game plan of the year.
When it became obvious our young secondary couldn’t cover that receiving corp we should have started bringing more pressure on Brady. The few times we managed to get after him it effected his game. We’d have them in 3rd and long and for some reason we’d go back to what DIDN’T work. (bringing 3 and daring TOM FRIGGIN BRADY to beat us through the air.) Brady took advantage.
I really think our offence could have bounced back from the turnovers if our defence could have made a couple more stops. We just laid down.
And I don’t even wanna talk about the stellar game the refs had!
Just cause it's a theme song don't make it not true.
by thunderrides on Dec 18, 2011 10:06 PM MST via mobile reply actions
My head is still spinning...
Hard to distinguish between execution and the D game plan. I defer to you more savy folks to comment. No one could tackle a freakin scarecrow…and Goody couldnt cover a grandma in a wheel chair…
I think our execution was horrendous
we got pressure on Brady but it wasn’t consistent, so it’s hard to fault the game plan
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
No doubt!
Whenever we had them in third and distance I was thinking “here comes VonDoom”. Instead we rush three and drop eight? Whose bright idea was that?
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions
that's my point.
You don’t beat a team like that trying to play not to lose.
Just cause it's a theme song don't make it not true.
by thunderrides on Dec 18, 2011 10:24 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
this x10...
Give Brady that kind of time and, well, you saw what happened. The thing about big plays by the other team is they don’t tire the defense out like long sustained drives. I would rather risk a big play by bringing the heat than slowly getting eatin’ alive.
Champ said it best
“You can’t blitz him all the time” I was disappointed in many 3rd down situations when Von dropped into coverage. To me it kind of highlights our weakness on the D-line. We just don’t get enough pressure if we aren’t blitzing, and it’s easy to double Doom or just try and play us straight up. In my opinion, this is why we need to look at another DE opposite Doom whether it be in FA or the draft. Ayers may be great against the run, but he has a hard time getting pressure when he’s asked to rush. If we had two Ends that could rush or a DT that could collapse the pocket, our weakness wouldn’t be so apparent.
by Bronco Mike on Dec 18, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
It's weird
I was saying the exact same thing right when we blitzed and Brady hit Gronk on a quick pass over the middle which he took for 40 yards which basically sealed the game in the 4th.
And now for something completely different
by AlbertaBronc on Dec 18, 2011 10:24 PM MST up reply actions
Exactly
Blitzing isn’t a guaranteed end-all-be-all for defense. Especially against top tier QB’s like Brady. You blitz a team with a top 3 QB, and two of the best TE’s in the game you’re just asking for trouble.
by ten_fiver on Dec 19, 2011 12:10 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is true. Very true.
But they took it to the other extreme, in not blitzing enough. Do you:
A: blitz and MAKE him throw quick and risk a big play, but also wager a defensive play
B: not blitz, give him all day, and guarantee he finds open receivers?
I realize this was a tough match for an overwhelmed, and understaffed defense, but the game planning was not sound.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Well, there's also the issue that Von was being dropped into the 8 man coverage.
If even he is added to the rush and 7 are in coverage, that’s better. It’s not even really a blitz, it’s just a standard 4 man rush, but it starts to cause more problems for the pass protection.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
agree
We were running 30 fronts for much of the game (I was surprised how little we had 4 guys with a hand down), and only occassionally brought a LB… rushing 4 isn’t blitzing… rushing 3 is downright conceding upfront (though that said, even when we were bringing 4, we weren’t getting a lot of pressure).
I know we didn’t really trust our safeties and non-champ CBs in single coverage, but I DEFINITELY don’t trust them when Tom Brady has 4 seconds to find whoever is open.
It’s tough to stop the patriots. Without the turnovers, we could have still been in the game. Relying on the defense to always pick up the offense is going to be troublesome. I thought the defense did well after the Ball fumble, only holding NE to a FG. It was the Tebow fumble that really hurt. Any time a TO results in a touchdown for the other team, it hurts – especially when we were at our own 40.
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Bad gameplan for sure
but when your DBs cant cover man 2 man you can’t leave them on an island with blitzing
My take was that Brady was "on" yesterday and what lost it for us
was simply the turnovers. I actually think w/o the turnovers we were the better team yesterday. The way Brady was playing it was going to be ball control on our part and simply out-scoring the Pats to win. Not sure what our D could have done more of to change Bradys day. Too smart and his release is too quick to let blitzes beat him. Ton of 3 step drops. I think the only way we beat him yesterday was #1. No turnovers…#2. Pressure up the middle (nothing takes away the quick stuff like that)
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
What about Gronk!
I don’t know if you’ve watch the Patriots this year, but they have a guy named Gronkowski. Teams in the past have brought the heat on Brady only to be humiliated by this TE. I think the coaches priority was shutting Gronk down. In order to do this with a young/old secondary was to key on him and forego the 4 to 5 man pressure up front. With an offense like th Pats you pay peter only to submit to paul. I think they committed to the lesser of two evils. If we would have let Gronk go free the score would have been out of control….again, I point to last weeks Pat game. Could have been ugly. I’m not discounting anything you said, great points. But, in order to do it all we have to upgrade our defense, a defense that isn’t much different than last year (horrible) but is playing at a much higher level.
For what it’s worth. Let me know if I’m out of my mind.
D
We really missed Dawkins out there today. I don’t know if it’s me but the last few weeks I noticed that Rahim Moore can’t tackle to save his life! The fumbles hurt us in the 2nd quarter, the muffed punt also hurt, but there is no doubt in my mind that we can beat that team! I hope we get another shot at them, Another beef I had was that they didn’t run Johnson enough since Willis was limping around, I expected him to get more carries but on to Buffalo, Go Broncos!! P.S. Living in Toronto, I usually go to Buffalo when the Broncos play but can’t this year because of Christmas Eve, I just hope the game doesn’t get blacked out like today’s did, I would be so pissed!!
Football is a TEAM GAME!! One player doesn't win it for you, one player doesn't lose it for you....When it comes down to it, I just want to WIN!!
GO BRONCOS!!
Greetings Lynch. I enjoy your comments, and also those by McGeorge. Any idea
what’s keeping him away?
by oorange blood on Dec 19, 2011 4:30 AM MST up reply actions
If it does, drop me an email and I'll tell you where you can watch it online.
So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
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So we laid an egg against Detroit. Then what did we do? Win 6 straight. Let's do it again, baby! Last two weeks of the season is Tebow Time!
by the_prodigal_fan on Dec 18, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
JD
Thanks man, I will do that
Football is a TEAM GAME!! One player doesn't win it for you, one player doesn't lose it for you....When it comes down to it, I just want to WIN!!
GO BRONCOS!!
by milehighinTO on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 AM MST up reply actions
we really missed letting Von do what he does....
dropping him into cover takes away what Von does…pressure and sack qb’s..bad D calling today.. If we were going to lose we might as well punish the qb as much as we can..Von should of had much more hurried passes, knock downs and sacks…
I know Montee Ball hasn't declared yet but I don't think he has said he wouldn't...
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I’d take Montee Ball or LaMichael James. James, IMHO, seems to be more of an explosive back, a playmaker. Kind of reminds me of Darren Sproles.
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I just wonder of James has durability issues...
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Ball is a much better prospect than James imo
But James is likely sliding far…. and would fit much better an spread-option offense.
However I think it’s time to yes invest an early at the RB position. I’d pull the trigger on Montee Ball.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 AM MST up reply actions
That’s true. I was thinking Denver could do some sort of 3 RB rotation with McGahee, Moreno, and James…kind of like what the Saints are doing. Moreno was playing a good game against the Chiefs before he went down. I don’t want to give up on him yet. I think James would be a good change of pace back.
I also wouldn’t mind Rueben Randle out of LSU. I don’t know if he has declared yet, but he is a deep threat that this team needs to stretch the field.
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I'm thinking James would be just like Moreno, have stints of greatness and then go on the injury list.
It get’s tiresome getting these flim-flam men of fragility…I want someone who is durable and will give a pounding like their getting…BoiseSt’s Doug Martin loves dishing out the pounding and is seldom hurt.
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Martin would be another good option
I would really be fine with any of them. As long as we get someone to stretch the field vertically and who can create mismatches with the defense
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The Patriots and any team that can throw effectively really shows where we lack on D
We simply don’t have the talent to rush 3 or 4 and drop 7-8 and get consistent pressure. Not only that, but even when we drop 7-8, it isn’t guaranteed that our young players or even Goodman will be able to cover their guys. I’ve really seen all I want to see out of Goodman. Champ is getting older, looking into the immediate future and down the road, we need CB help big time. Even if we got just one impact CB and one impact DL for next year, we would be so much better.
Then you could have that guy start opposite Champ, keep Harris as a 3CB/nickle guy like now, and eventually #2 takes Champ’s place, and Harris becomes the #2. Some things for EFX to deal with this offseason;)
There is only one thing I want to see out of Goodman . . .
A wave goodbye as he boards the plane/train/bus/stage coach . . .whatever means can get him out of town. That guy gets burned more than a charcoal briquette in a company cookout.
But I also agree with John regarding the pass rush vs. coverage. I don’t care if you have all 11 guys in coverage, Brady will carve it up like a Thanksgiving turkey. That is what they talked about, coming up to the game: hitting Brady. Yet they too often had Miller in coverage. Wow.
Not that it would have prevented the loss. What would have done that would have been eliminating the turnovers. However, even with no turnovers, if you do not pressure Brady intensely, you are going to lose.
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I was impressed with Harris.
The pats went after Harris all game long, and he didn’t back down. I was expecting him to give in and just let up. However I didn’t see that. Every play he was still working and made some noise. I really like what I see in Harris.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:24 PM MST up reply actions
I like Harris too...
and that holding call on him on the pass to Welker was total BS… it was within 5 yeards of the LOS… he’s allowed to rough Welker up there.
Yeah, Harris is a keeper. I can see him taking away Goodman's job next year. Guy really
competes like a vet, does not back down and has that short memory that makes good d-backs.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
Come on man!
How can you be so negative when they played a superior team tough. When you put the ball down three times it is hard to win. Up until the turnovers they had the lead and were keeping Brady on the sideline. But once New England had the lead it forced the Broncos to play a game they aren’t ready for yet. A few more good drafts and this team could be a good one. Any loss sucks but I take heart in what they are building this year.
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Bottom of our roster killed us yesterday.
I used to bust your balls for being overly positive about Josh McJedi… Funny seeing folks go the other way. You always said you didn’t have an agenda.. this proves you more right, even if I still think McJedi got kid gloves treatment at MHR.
I agreed with your write-up.
I slept a full eight hours last night because that wasn’t even close to the worst loss of the season… but we played a very dumb game. Fox’s decision to not run out the clock at the end of the first half was amazingly stupid. Cosby runs the ball all the way out to the 12 yard line with 1:08 on the clock and we come out throwing? The 2nd and 10 pass was a total head scratch-er. Just run out the clock jackwagon!!! I’m pretty sure Fox isn’t a good or smart game day coach at this point. He can motivate and prepare. He does a lot of HC things well, but game day coaching? He’s pretty terrible.
Cosby should be cut. Teams need to make examples out of unimportant players that play stupid football.
Denver got killed yesterday by their 2nd and 3rd string guys. Cosby’s horrible day, McBean with another facemask, Ball with his fumble, Paxton with his bad game, Raheem Moore was very bad, Ayers ridiculously stupid penalty. Denver is not even close to good enough to let their bottom of the roster players hurt them as badly as our did yesterday.
And Mike Carey is as bad of an official as there is. The make-up calls in garbage time really piss me off. Where were the flagrant holding calls on Solder in the 1st half? Oh, I forgot, that was the 1st three quarters where Carey instructed his crew to call in one way.
All that said, the Raiders, Jets, Texans and Titans had much worse losses yesterday. We got lucky with that Raider flub. I’ll take it.
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Agreed on the officiating
Even though the Broncos weren’t getting phantom calls against them, the Patriots were getting away with murder. The NFL doesn’t even try to hide it’s bias, which makes even less sense when you look at how small the Patriot’s national fan base is.
How do you spell television ratings? T-E-B-O-W. At least more Bronco games will likely be on national broadcast.
Mike Carey's crew seems to direction their attention to one team, both offense and defense.
What lost this game was the tuenivers in the 2nd qtr. It took the wind right out of the Broncos sails. I did love coach John Fox’s Woo-Woo-Wooo inference of WWE’s Jack Ryder. That cracked me up since the officials hadn’t made a call on New England until the 4th qtr…Still laughing about that.
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Agreed, McG.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
Great observation McGeorge and I see eye to eye
with you on this. This game actually built my hope up even more for the future of the team. It was one of those “learning” games where as a team matures they lose games yet feel like “hey we could have won that game if we hadn’t shot ourselves in the foot!” It will be interesting to see how they bounce back against the Bills.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
Bring on the Bills
this was only 1 game
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
good point
and I concur! Gonna get my Kool-Aid ready! Tropical Punch here I come! I’m in a “Punch” kind of mood anyhow!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
ah ha! we have a Christmas Party (YES I SAID CHRISTMAS) on the 24th and just got some Hawaiian Punch
I forgot about that!!!!
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it better be a winning party
after we slap Stevie “Shotgun” Johnson around!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Go postal Moose
Frankly, its good to get a loss to the pats out of the way. I’d rather it be now when it doesn’t really hurt the broncos chances, than in the playoffs. Its tough to beat a good team twice in the same season. Its also tough to keep a winning streak going without any breaks. Just ask the Packers this year and the Pats when they went 18-0 going into the SB. Next win streak starts Christmas Eve.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Dec 19, 2011 7:08 AM MST up reply actions
Most of you are making great points.
Brady and co. exposed many weaknesses on our defense, but he does that to every nfl defense.
The fact is that if we didn’t make so many mistakes this would have been a very winnable game. That’s exciting to me.
by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Dec 18, 2011 10:32 PM MST reply actions
I doubt the Team will get Monday off...
Plenty of film for the guys to learn from…
Yes
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
it's one thing to watch film and another to understand and incorporate what you learn
some players watch film but don’t learn from it because they don’t understand how to learn from it.
I remember watching a documentary of some player who was talking about that. The funny thing is, I don’t remember the player or the team. But I remember him saying his coach was the first coach that actually taught him how, even tho it didn’t translate to other players.
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I agree. I think this game will serve as a point of emphasis for practice all week long…hopefully!
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+1
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
I told myself at the beginning of the year that there was no point getting upset over a loss this year
All I wanted to see this year was growth and improvement and we’ve seen that tenfold. All these wins are just icing on the cake. Yes it was painful to watch us shoot ourselves in the foot like we did after basically dominating the first quarter but this happens with young teams. Learn from this and move on.
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by AlbertaBronc on Dec 18, 2011 10:35 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
If you had told me right after our last game last year that we would be 8-8 this
year I would have been ecstatic! Now we are looking at the opportunity to be 10-6 and be in the playoffs.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Does any one else
think Quinton Carter needs to go back to tackling school?
by HawaiiBroncoFan on Dec 18, 2011 10:50 PM MST reply actions
It was weird that he was missing those tackles.
He hasn’t been that bad of a tackler so far. He’s usually pretty good at bring people down. However, bringing down a TE like Hernandez and Gronk is a hard task. Most defenders have a hard time bringing those guys down. That’s what makes the pats offense so dangerious.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:17 PM MST up reply actions
Or Raheem Moore?
Dude is looking like he came out of UCLA one year too early because he sucked yesterday.
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He's playing like a rookie with no offseason. I know you iterate him over and over again like a drunk just to get attention McGeorge and it makes no sense...
All of our rookies have suffered from it except Von Miller and he’s had his moments too. Give them the offseason OTAs and MiniCamp with hands on coach teach (something that has been limit now because of gameplanning) and we’ll see a difference…
Look at Virgil Green, he has all world athleticism and has struggled in all phases, Julius Thomas has been non-existent, Orlando Franklin is developing but still has a ceiling to reach, Nate Irving is another who has been delinquent in playing time, Mike Mohamed and Jeremy Beal, where are they? I believe the kids are talented they just need to develop NFL speed and mental reps…Next season we’ll get a clearer picture of who they are and what they hav for iur future, not now.
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that's a shame
I really wanted to see Rahim progress after he went El Kabong against that Bills wideout in the preseason, oh well, we’ll El Kabong the Bills anyway Christmas Eve! 
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:45 PM MST up reply actions
The Donald Jones hit has clearly set him back $20,000.00, but did it hamstring his willingness to play all out?
We’ll see…If EFX gi after a safety early (1st-3rd rd) then we might have a clearer picture of where they intend to go at that position…I’ve got my money on RB, DT and WR first three rds and maybe not inthat order…
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
he didn't drop it
it’s gotta hit you in the hands to drop it, it punched him in the facemask lol
He lost sight of it is all.
But I’m not arguing, I agree it was gift wrapped right to him!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
treat it like a woman huh???
lol just kidding, Gosh I hope my wife doesn’t read this lol
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The broncos did the pats a favor in dropping Miller into coverage.
By doing that, Dennis Allen is single handly taking away his best pass rusher. The same with DJ Williams. I didn’t see him blitz at all, all night. You have Miller and Williams, both of which can get after the QB, but they hardly ever got the chance. I have no idea why Allen wouldn’t want to let loose Miller/Williams/Dumervil onto the QB. Nobody can block those three on consistent bases. Basically the broncos only used one of their three best pass rushers on the team throughout the game—dumervil. When this defense is on, those three are getting after the QB. I didn’t see that tonight because Allen for some reason dropped Williams and Miller into coverage which both of them are not good at. I don’t understand why you would do that to a team that likes to pass a lot. Coaches are suppose to put their players in a spot where they can have the most success. For Williams and Miller, that’s rushing the passer. Which they are the better ones of their position in the NFL—yes Williams is a stud at rushing the passer. Like I said before, this defense is at its best when those three are getting after the QB and Allen needs to unleash them whenever he gets a chance to.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:13 PM MST reply actions
Pop quiz
If you blitz one of your linebackers, are you happy matching the other two singled up with Gronk and Hernandez? I’m not
by ten_fiver on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Again, that's a sad statement about our defensive backfield.
Can’t fix that until the offseason.
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by MrFNSunshine on Dec 19, 2011 5:52 AM MST up reply actions
perhaps it speaks
to the Patriots’ unique personnel at tight end, not many teams have two tight ends that good, as much as it pains me to admit it
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
I don't have a problem with Woodyard on one of them and Harris on the other
However, after what I saw yesterday, it would be nice if someone actually covered them instead of leaving them wide open. A lot of broken assignments yesterday.
I will say though, I would blitz Williams and Miller as much as I can. I’ll take my chances with those two blitzing with Dumervil coming off the edge.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Kinda funny they benched Ayers after the huge penalty and put Jason Hunter in...
Dumb penalty at the wrong time if there is a right time.
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I hate to be right
but what I labeled as keys to the game in my fanpost weren’t done, and they all came to bite us in the ass. Sorry Fox, I respect Fox ball, but this was embarrassing. I respect you like running the ball, but when your going against a D ranked 32nd against the pass and 13th against the run, and your gameplan is to run the ball all day, you deserve to lose.
And sorry Rodney, but where are you preaching rushing 4 or less? we didn’t get near Brady, he easily stepped up away from VonDoom most of the time, and as I predicted, easily found open men. I wish I was wrong… but I was right. Love ya Fox but sometimes you have to change your ways to win ball games, and this was a classic mistake of not taking advantage of an opponent’s weakness. If we face this team in the playoffs, I hope he’s man enough to learn from his mistakes or it could get even worse
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To Fox's credit, the running game was working.
Up until those three turnovers the broncos were doing whatever they wanted on the ground. I agree, they should have aired it out more in the second half. I felt that D. Thomas could have gotten 20 catches against this secondary. He was having his way out there.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:21 PM MST up reply actions
Right
but those 3 turnovers came from a stout run D. It wasn’t like Marion Barber fumbling with open field, those 3 turnovers came from being stuffed. Once BB knew Fox and McCoy were too afraid to test their secondary they were all up in our run game and made us looked like little girls. The OL deserves some blame as well as they went from dominant to dominated, but still, when you lose because of your running game when you play the LAST RANKED PASS D, you deserve to lose.
Again, the Broncos proved to be in the same class as the Pats minus stupid mistakes, but we had NO BUSINESS losing this game. We had it in the bag early and when it was a perfect time to pass, McCoy and/or Fox showed they were too chicken shit and blew it by not taking advantage of a weak secondary. They played not to lose, and guess what? They lost, big surprise
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 PM MST up reply actions
Very true.
We saw the highlights of last week where the skins went deep on the pats. Decker and Thomas can go deep all day long. Also throw some jump balls. I would give those two a shot against the pats CB. But like you said, Fox just wants to be conservative. At some point the broncos need to take some chances.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 18, 2011 11:35 PM MST up reply actions
agreed
and one final rant:
If Rex Grossman had the ability to pick apart this D, I don’t see why Tebow couldn’t. I think we are still seeing that this staff doesn’t trust Tebow yet. Either that or they are just way too conservative
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 18, 2011 11:41 PM MST up reply actions
You need to get Tebow
in a quick draw contest. Watch Grossman or Brady and you see 123throw, watch Tebow and you see 123 456 run around, fake, run around throw.
For the Broncos to have a run game Tebow needs to just throw the ball. Don’t believe me? Watch that 29 yard sack play again. Throw the DAMN BALL!
Ok, sorry. Go Broncos!
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It was 4th and 17 Sean. The Pats knew we needed a big play and D’d up accordingly. What a dumb post. Tebow was far from our biggest problem yesterday.
But I guess you are pretty excited Orton won and Tebow lost.
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Typical Orton yesterday
299 yards and 4 fgs. Their lone TD was a run by battle
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Orton did fine yesterday. And good for him. Elway did him a huge favor and hopefully Kyle returns it next week by beating the Faiders (too true in their 3 game losing streak).
Getting on Tebow for trying to make a play on 4th and 17 and taking a big sack? Whatever, that is for retards like Mike Freeman that don’t know football from fly fishing. The game was over at that point anyway after our D allowed a 80 yard TD drive following Tebow’s 2 yard TD run.
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Raiders in KC in december bodes well for us
as long as that KC D doesnt show up in Mile High on Jan 1st
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Let's not overlook the Chargers in all of this,
they are making a small run right now trying to sneak in…can’t relax…2 losses by us and 2 wins by them and ….. let’s conjure up some bad ju-ju on the Chargers.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Beat KC and we knock SD out
by virtue of division record
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of course
the Lions are great against the AFC West so I’ll bet they beat SD, let’s beat the Bills in the morning and cheer like heck for the Lions in the afternoon!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
You have an awesome attitude brad
Agreed. Lets put this one behind us and run those bills over
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Freeman's article was a complete joke. There's been some tripe in print this year, but that could win an award for turkey of the year.
Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush
Orton did fine
but Tamba Hali was the real story of that one, a hat trick of sacks
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
bwahaha
Uhm, that is only one play. but I expect you to focus on details and try to start a fight.
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You know I’m always good for finding, pointing out and making fun of stupid comments.
You put yours on a T for me.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
So
because I made a point of an outrageous play, you want to discount my whole view? Are you suggesting Tebow has made good use of quick reads?
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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 19, 2011 11:01 AM MST up reply actions
He is a better QB than Grossman (and Orton). And I’m not just suggesting that.
What did you expect on a 4th and 17 yard play? Tebow to just throw the ball away like Orton would have? Okay… I guess Tebow should be cut.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
My only problem with the 4th and 18 play...
Was that Tebow was on the field risking injury on a meaningless play. I would have preferred Fox put in a backup for that last bit, just because there’s zero chance Tebow ever goes less than balls to the wall and that increases the chance of injury.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 19, 2011 7:45 AM MST up reply actions
Nah. Tebow is a big boy and can take some hits. Those are learning experiences for a young QB. Tim needs them just the same as a Sam Bradford or Andy Dalton.
And for those of you that refuse to believe the obvious. Tim is just as good as any young QB in the NFL.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I agree with that last sentence
Funny how after a win ( Miami ) I had my lowest opinion of Tim"s future prospects, and after a loss ( Patriots ) I am more confident then ever that he will be a huge force for us long term.
On the surface it seems like Tebow and Brady have little in common. That said, all week through the media, then at mid field after the game, they seem to recognize their shared trait of an intense fire in the belly. Game recognizes game.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
by chikndnnr on Dec 19, 2011 8:59 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
"Game recognizes game"
This has always been a favorite quote of mine. And so true.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
After watching TT's progress this year
I guarantee you with the right pieces around him, we win a SB. There, I said it. I am now convinced he has the same mojo as J.E. His passing is not just getting better, it’s grown leaps and bounds! Just watch some video of his footwork at the beginning of the year and compare to now, it’s impressive how he has been able to advance during the season with his foot mechanics. I am now beginning to believe that he is actually a superior passer waiting to happen and we won’t have to settle for hoping he becomes simply a marginally good passer to compliment his running ability. I’ve officially gone from simply drinking the Kool-aid to sitting in Rocky Mountain hot-tub full of it and it feels great!
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's true McGeorge
Dalton and Tebow are the two young QBs that have the brightest futures IMO, even more so than Cam Newton, T.J. Yates played poorly even though Arian Foster ran better in the Carolina game than the Bengals game the week before
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
It's when a player goes less than balls to the wall that he has a better chance of getting hurt
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Your talking about the 4th and 17?
what did you want him to do, throw it away? He was just trying to make a last second play he deserves no fault for that
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Well Sean didn’t see the proper 3 step drop technique and a progression thru Tim’s reads so Tebow totally sucks and that sack cost us the game as well as our 2011 playoff spot.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
that's what the MSM seems to think
Al Michaels and Cris CollinsworthLESS were all over the Chargers’ junk saying they have a really good shot to win the AFC West. Excuse me, we get the Bills and they get the Lions #justsaying
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
lol Collinsworth speaks well
just never intelligently. lol
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We beat the Chiefs and were in
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What about this team
makes you think they have a pass game to go to?? The Broncos should not be trying to challenge even a weak pass D. Yes, they are doing ok in the passing game but it is the run game that has us where we are. You don’t fix what isn’t broken! The turnovers are what changed this game, we lost in the second quarter and that is that. The Broncos played fairly well despite being behind and so were not embarrased. It was a bad game and should have been expected by everyone. For myself, well… I am just glad we played a poor game against a good team. On to Buffalo and more running conservative play calling. You know it, I know it. Go Broncos!!
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it is the run game that has us where we are. You don’t fix what isn’t broken!
What I don’t understand is why people think the run game wasn’t broken. Yes, in the 1st quarter, it was unreal. But once BB adjusted, our run game broke! 2 turnovers in a row on the ground in your own territory, especially when your playing TOM BRADY, sounds broken to me.
I don’t think we should’ve abandoned it, but at some point after the 1st quarter when our run game wasn’t doing squat McCoy and/or Fox should’ve let Tebow go to the air solely for the fact to keep the D honest. If Tebow hit a couple passes, the D would’ve been forced to play back a little, and then we could go back to our run game. Instead, we just played right into BB’s hands and made him look like a genius
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
not intending to pick a fight here but your commentary is a bit lazy here
Fumbles can’t be predicted just like that, better ball security would have prevented those. I don’t know if Tebow’s was on a true option call, but if it was he should have handed off, as the defender was right there on contain. I actually thought he made a couple of bad choices on the option; his TD run never should have left the backfield either. OK, so Ball fumbled too. I didn’t remember it going as bad as you said, so I took a look at the play-by-play. Ball’s fumble was the first play of the drive after 3 drives that ended in points. Tebow’s came right after a 15 yard pass play to DT and a 11 yard Ball rush, so it appeared they were moving at will again. Cosby’s was no need to explain that one.
3rd quarter was a similar story as we made 1st downs rushing the ball, and ended drives trying to pass, until the time in the game that they had no choice but pass.
The fumbles were bad timing and not much else, 2 of them as a result of mental errors made by players on our side.
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Agree - mostly
If I recall though the Pats D maybe last in yards – a lot of garbage yards when they have big leads but mid ranked on points allowed? Just wondering if they are better than the number show and that affected the game plan? We GAVE the Pats what 23 points on turnovers? We beat ourselves after clicking in Q1 – finally.
Did you actually watch the game?
The offense only turned it over twice and the Tebow fumble is the only one you can atribute to good D. That Patsie run D was so stout, they gave up over 250 yards on the ground. Yeah, DBroncs, you were so right.
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i don't recall seeing many wide open receivers compared to what one would think playing against the 32nd ranked pass D
31st passing attack vs 32rd passing defense doesn’t sound like much of a mismatch in the first place. After watching that game, I am convinced there are worse secondaries out there than the Patriots. They probably only have as many yards against them as they do because they are constantly ahead in games and the opposing team has to throw to have any hope, and a lot of garbage-time yards get racked up. Despite the rankings, I would say we were more effective running against #13 unit than we were passing against #32 unit.
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and for as bad as their defense is based on yards, it has not showed up so much in points against
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it will eventually catch up to them
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Me too, boanst
I don’t know if the 32nd pass defense stepped up in a great game, or if our WRs were in a poor day unable to get separation… But the fact is that we weren’t seeing open receivers the whole day.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
I thought WRs were getting open
we just missed on a couple passes. We ran amazingly early, but once the Pats adjusted, we should’ve adjusted right back and gone to the air. Instead, we just ran into the teeth of their D and coughed up fumbles.
I don’t see how anyone could think continuing to run the ball like that was a good idea. It clearly killed us!
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree entirely
I think we started to don’t have a fair shot anymore when we stopped the rushing plays.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
How can you sit there and pat yourself on the back?
The run game was killing the Patriots to the tune of over 130 yards in first quarter and an early lead. There was no stoutness to that run D until we got careless with the football. Three quick turnovers took us out of anything that was in the game plan. That questionable pass D was good enough to keep us in check when Tebow had to pass. How can you claim that you were right, when you obviously underestimated how effective the run game would be? Without the silly fumbles, this game turns out a little different.
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That was an awesome hit by Doom..Just plain awesome!
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Regardless of what happens next week, all we need to do is beat the Cheifs to make the playoffs.
If we can’t do that we don’t deserve the playoffs anyhow.
My 2 cents...
you guys were not out-matched talent wise. If you are going to beat a team like the Pats it’s going to have to be 4 qtrs of mistake free football – the turnovers/penalties didn’t help. I guess that is a little obvious – maybe tighten up your defensive backfield and you got a contender in Denver. Look at that… hitting the ryhms on a Monday Morning.
Those three fumbles killed the momentum especially on the punt return.
It’s hard for any team let alone a young team to come back from that. Thanks for your input!
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
yep
We know our weakness is our DBs… either old and slow, or young and mistake prone. We can cover it up with a good passrush, but against teams with a deep WR and accurate QB that can find the open man, we’ll struggle on DEF. Its a particular problem for teams with good YAC WRs/TE, where quick passes can beat the passrush. We saw it with Harvin, who was just too fast across the middle for our safeties, and again with Hernadez yesterday. GB also was just too much,
Hopefully the young saefties can continue to mature, and we desperately need some young players at CB so Goody can be put to pasture… Harris is okay as a depth CB, but we still probably need a real #2 and #3 CB, A better MLB with range for zone coverages in the middle of the field (ala Urlacher, etc.) wouldn’t hurt either.
This team is young and improving, but not of the caliber that it can lose the TO-battle by 3 and beat NE… hell, even GB probably can’t lose the TO-battle by 3 and beat NE, so this isn’t much to be worried about.
by cjfarls on Dec 19, 2011 10:02 AM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Really don't like Belichick but,
he proved a point about football strategy yesterday… don’t make it too complicated. It was clear his strategy was simply to stay away from our best players. He ran away from Millers side all day, he went after Goodman all day (stayed away from Champ) and continued to attack our safeties with his tight ends. That was it. give him credit. Also, even though Ochocinco had that TD he looked absolutely lost yesterday. Notice how upset Brady was with him several times for not being where he should be on routes? Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy…
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
rec'd this cj
I like our chances for shure!! :D
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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 19, 2011 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
As frustrating as this loss was...
I feel pretty confident. It is much better to lose yesterday than in the playoffs. Yes we need to make sure we get in the playoffs, but all we have to do is take care of business or get a little help from the Chiefs and Lions this week (we beat Buffalo and San Diego loses to Detroit and Oakland loses to Kansas City) and we’re in!
Denver CAN beat New England and WILL in the playoffs. Quan Cosby couldn’t return anything; fumbling on a kickoff return (but got it back), fumbling on a punt return (lost), bad snap on an extra point, Tebow fumble and Lance Ball fumble. After all of those mistakes and giving New England great field position after our 3 turnovers, I was still believing with 8 minutes left in the game and Denver down 11. This game is a great learning opportunity for this young team. We can still be dangerous in the playoffs. Let’s get there and get it done! And if I may remind everyone, after the Broncos lost to Detroit (with Tebow at the helm) we went on a 6 game winning streak. A 6 game winning streak here and we’re Superbowl Champs! Let’s make the playoffs first! Go Broncos!!!
One reason why I think that this team isn’t going to repeat what it did in 2008 (I think it was 08), is the quarterback.
Jay Cutler vs Tim Tebow…the leadership out of Tebow has been tremendous. Even down 18 with like 4 minutes left in our own end zone, Tebow doesn’t give up. One play that stood out to me even though we probably weren’t going to win occurred: Tim was in the end zone looking for a receiver, and he was sacked, or at least it looked like a sack. But he moved out of it and ended up fumbling the ball…any QB could’ve just kicked it out of the end zone, but Tebow stayed with it and avoided the safety. In my opinion, that is what differentiates this team from 2008’s team. This team doesn’t quit, it doesn’t give up.
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We also have an easy schedule. Buffalo is playing horrible football right now and KC has been as well (aside from beating a GB team that wasn’t really into their game yesterday).
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Very true.
I just think that this team is more mentally tough than the team in 2008. I feel like this team has more poise with Tim Tebow under center.
"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".
"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.
Agreed, TTs strongest suite is that the game is not bigger than
him. That is, even as he’s gone through his learning curve I’ve never felt like the speed of the game intimidated him. It actually seems like the greater the pressure the more the game slows down for him. That fumble by him in the endzone was a perfect example. How many QBs could have picked that ball up, avoided being tackled and then throw the ball away avoiding the safety? Dude has presence an it will pay off big time for us, def. down the road and even this year in the playoffs…
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
These last 2 games are a nice little gift
Very looking forward to shellacking 2 weak teams before going to the playoffs
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:25 PM MST up reply actions
I am irritated by how we played yesterday - we beat ourselves more than the Patriots beat us
Penalties, fumbles, lack of blocking up front, etc.
This team is better than that! You cannot give Tom Brady short field position, he will capitalize almost every time!
We were having our way with them in the first quarter. In fact, it looked to be a high scoring game. You cannot stop Brady every possession. It is what it is.
I didn’t really expect us to come out with a W this game, however it looked possible in the first quarter. This was a total team effort in losing this game – mistakes, mistakes, mistakes. I’d have those players run a shuttle for every yard penalized this game, get back to basics. Get these guy’s head back into the game.
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by Broncs55 on Dec 19, 2011 7:07 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Agree 100%
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
They say the cool is all over me..
Agree too.
Great points, 55
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
In a nutshell this was a failed team effort, not pointed at one player...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
it's apparent
the coaches need to do more. they put a good game plan in place for the first quarter. but a team like new england will make adjustments like brady going from a 5 step drop in the 1st qtr. to a 3 step drop in the 2nd qtr. for a lot of quick slant passes. we did not make adjustments to that, then we started fumbling. we knew we had to play a great game, we did not, however, there were enough bright spots in the 1st qtr. to leave me encouraged in the direction that this team is heading.
Tough day to be a Broncos fan...
But I still thank the team for the six game run, which was one of the best six game runs a Broncos fan could ever ask for.
This is a 4-12 team that was playing way out of its mind. There are still significant weak spots that need to be addressed, either in free agency or the draft. For anyone interested, the following are currently set to be free agents after this season:
RB – Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Ryan Grant, Marshawn Lynch
WR – Dwayne Bowe, Marques Colston
DL – Mario Williams, Robert Mathis, Antonia Garay, Jason Jones, Sione Pouha
LB – EJ Henderson, Erin Henderson D’Qwell Jackson (love me some Maryland LBs)
DB – Brent Grimes, Marcus Trufant
If the Broncos can sign one or two of these, it’ll make the team incredibly tough. Personally, I’d target the Henderson brothers as a package, one of the RBs, and try hard to get one of the WRs. The secondary will not get fixed through free agency. There’s just not enough quality there. I would make the secondary a top priority in the draft, taking an LSU DB in the first round.
That being said, this season isn’t over. If this is who the Broncos are… 6 games of great football for every 1 game of collapse, I’m okay with that. I don’t think that any Broncos fan doubts that Von, Champ, and Tebow will have this team busting their asses this week and ready for Buffalo. Denver getting crushed by New England is about the worst thing that could have happened to Buffalo, because the Broncos are going to be angry on Saturday.
One final note: Best. GIF. Ever.
Ryan Grant no, Marshawn Lynch no,
as for the rest of them, maybe 1 actually hits free agency? Erin Henderson is bad
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 7:38 AM MST up reply actions
Why not Ryan Grant?
I’m not saying YES also, just wondering you make a NO right now without further argues.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
hes just not very good imo
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM MST up reply actions
It's not tough to be a Broncos fan at all, whats tough is reading nonsensical rants that can't be corrected in a few weeks.
The Broncos were like an old jalopy used and abused and half-heartedly referbished and left in the weeds when it broke down. Now we have a new crew working feverously to restore it back to it’s original condition. I can’t wait to see the finished product. And in the mean time, I’ll enjoy this team making strides, knocking out the dents and sanding down the hood for the fresh paint. Its exciting if you think about it…
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
LOL
Wow, maybe I just read too much into that man but jeez… LOL. It’s not like they got old and rusty like the lions were, or the 9’ers of old… gonna make me cry and it’s x’mas time…
You sir are a grinch. my goodness man think of the children! How “sniff” could you “sniff”??
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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
I disagree about how this is a 4-12 team.
One game doesn’t define that. The broncos didn’t lose on a shortage of talent yesterday. They lost because of mental mistakes—normal for a young team. It was simple, the three fumbles in a row killed the team. That would do it for about 90% of the teams in the NFL. Other than that, this is a good team. When the broncos don’t turn the ball over and don’t commit dumb penalites, they are a tough team to beat.
Also those free agents, most won’t be there. For RB: Rice will be signed, Lynch will be signed, and Grant is not worth taking. Lance Ball and JJ are better than him. For WR: Bowe won’t go to the broncos as well as Colston—he’ll stay with the Saints. DL—Williams won’t leave, Mathis is too high priced, but those other three might be good fits. LB— stay away from the Hendersons and I don’t know who Jackson is. DB—I could see that happening.
For the draft, the guy you’re talking about from LSU will be picked in the top 5. Maybe Dennard makes it in the 20s or the broncos trade up for kirtpatrick—that’s if he drops. However the broncos will go BPA in the draft. The way they do it is: needs during the free agency period and than BPA in the draft. They hardly reach for players
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Good post Tezcatlipoca, thanks for the research. Marshawn Lynch would be a
monster for us! Dwayne Bowe would look great with a horse on his helmet. Texans would get the “Idiots of the Decade” award if they let Williams get away, but I’d take him in a heart-beat. Let’s face it, one advantage we have in the FA market is that with TT’s mojo in the league, I believe players will be really interested in coming to Denver again.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
I'll share my Skittles
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
I doubt any of these guys hit FA
Except Grimes and Trufant, but they suck
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:26 PM MST up reply actions
FA Wide Receivers are like FA Pitchers going to Coors Field, they don’t want to come here (If Tebow is QB)
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by waterboy31321 on Dec 19, 2011 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks Tez
Nice positive outlook…give me Lynch and Super Mario in the offseason and we’ll be a12-4 to 13-3 team next year.
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I’d rather have Matt Forte and Dione Pouha. And one of those Henderson bros.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I'll take Ray Rice. Going out on a limb there for sure :p
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Ray Rice would be incredible in Denver.
Baltimore will probably make a strong push to sign him, but I also think Baltimore may have some cap issues because of how much money their defense costs.
by Tezcatlipoca on Dec 19, 2011 8:00 AM MST up reply actions
Any of Rice, Forte, or Lynch would be fine with me
Obviously the first 2 are more dynamic, but Lynch is a workhorse back that can be fed the ball 25-30 times nearly weekly.
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if we get Lynch - we better get our skittles ready!
Lynch is probably our best shot in actuality, and would be a solid #2 to McGahee.
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1A to Mcgahee. Lynch is really good.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
Me too but Ray Rice won’t see UFA. He is the most important player on their offense.
Forte seems more possible.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
I would figure both those teams
would tag their RB’s before letting them walk
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by DBroncs1414 on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM MST up reply actions
I live in Chicago, word on the street is Forte will be Franchised...
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Understandable. Key guy for Chicago, even moreso than Cutler imho.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
Was it the receivers or Tebow at the end of the game
For nearly the entire 2nd half, Tebow would drop back and seemingly go through his entire progression only to find no one open anywhere. Since CBS doesn’t show the receivers’ patterns, I couldn’t tell if Tebow was just not seeing them, or if the Patriots pathetic defensive backfield was really glued to our guys that well. I was repeated yelling at the TV “somebody friggin get open!!!”
Was anyone at the game to clarify this?
How do you spell television ratings? T-E-B-O-W. At least more Bronco games will likely be on national broadcast.
Probably a bit of both
Simms made a point to show some of the downfield action on replays in pointing out that receivers were not getting open in the second half. But it is apparent that Tebow won’t chance throwing into coverage too often. At some point he will have to take more chances when the scoreboard reads like that. But he has improved so many other things, so maybe that is the next step.
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Agreed.
Our D-backfield is weak, as is our receiving core. We need a few more drafts. I’m not as bummed as most of the posters are, because I didn’t think we could win this one- yet. I complain about McCoy because we never seem to have an open receiver unless the other team blows a coverage, or we do a double move down the field. But TT hasn’t shown he can do a passing offence (crossing routes, scrapes, TE down seam) reliably yet- so maybe they are just masking his weak points by design. Once we turned it over 3 times- we were done, really.
And I really, really really want a DT that can push the middle into the QB’s face for Christmas…..
by baselinedenver on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM MST up reply actions
I don't see our recievers as being weak...not sure what it is right now but
Thomas is clearly a star in the making and Decker is very good, perfect WR for this offense, both of them and it’s clear TT trusts both of them. I think we need to either get better play at the TE position for them to really bloom.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
I don't agree...
based on production, only. Royal hasn’t been anything but average since his first year; DT has been hurt too much; and Decker has a few drops to go with his game winners. In short, they are OK- but not going to be asked to the Pro Bowl.
I suspect the run game has hurt the receivers, all of whom seem to do better when we have to pass. Perhaps its the rythym, perhaps its the focus; maybe a lot of things. But I would expect an elite receiver to get separation, or to never drop one that hits them in the hands… to make a big play frequently. So far, we have flashes- and then they fade from the stat sheet. I agree about a good TE being a QB’s friend, but when you think of the good ones- you think of the catches to move the chains. We have blockers.
So I see them as a weak group until they prove otherwise. There is potential; just not production. The ultimate gauge is the other defense; they do not feel the need to key on any one player other than TT. They will single up outside until the 4th; they have seen the misses and figure its a gamble they can take. But I still want the DT for Xmas…..
by baselinedenver on Dec 20, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
I can't disagree and would be willing to say word for word what
you just said. Perhaps the best way to describe what I believe about our WRs is what you said, “potential”. I just see a lot of it in DT and ED. I’ve grown very fond of Willis, disappointed and confused with Royal (but still a big fan) and really anxious to see where our TEs, Green and Thomas are, development-wise, at the start of next year. It’s a forward vision I have of what may be coming down the road (I’m a glass half full kinda guy…). My thought is that we will see these young WRs and TEs growing w/ TT and develop something special. It looks to me like a very young, talented, promising core of guys.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
Well that game sucked...
But it pretty much reminded us that we still have a lot of work to do to get to an elite team. I’m glad we’ve been winning but non of the games we won have been dominate so expecting a win against the pats was wishful thinking. We had one of the best starts to a game in the tebow era which was impressive, but the turnovers were absolute momentum killers, especially cause they happened in such a short span. Our pass D has sucked all season so Brady ripping us a new one is not a shock. All in all we played pretty good but the fact that we had the D out there for that long against Brady is deadly. I hope we can come up with some better gameplan to cover up our terrible secondary and for once I hope when we play buffalo we can get a decisive win to prove that we can hang and we don’t have to rely on tebow time
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by Argentinian Mamba on Dec 19, 2011 8:25 AM MST reply actions
Had fox gone for it on 4th down, the broncos wouldve scored a TD and gone up 20-7. With that much momentum, I think broncos mightve pulled off the W. Its hard to know but thats just my feeling. Hopefully broncos win next two. If theres one thing about tebow its his ability to bounce back from a big loss.
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by chaucer on Dec 19, 2011 8:51 AM MST via mobile reply actions
or we would have been stuffed at the line... you never know.
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In hindsight I would agree with you chaucer but at the time we were doing just about whatever we
wanted with the DLine of the Pats and the smart move was to get the sure points on the board. It was hard to anticipate that many turnovers by our team.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
It's true
Ball’s fumble was our undoing and the Tebow sack by Mark Anderson really killed us
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
What is really cool
is that about 98% of all the discussion is NOT about Tebow. It’s clear to true Bronco fans that the national focus on Tebow is misguided. True, he has been the spark and has improved each game, but as this game proves, you don’t win unless you play complementary football. This means that the offense, defense, AND special teams must all play at a high level. Loving it that, even in a loss, the talk is not generally about Tebow, except for that he looked better passing the ball (except perhaps as noted in the post). Did he makes some mistakes? Yes, but that comes with the territory and he still doesn’t have a full season’s worth of games under his belt. Our pass defense got exposed big time in three games by playoff teams— Detroit, Green Bay, and now NE. Seems like a no brainer as to where we need some immediate improvement . . .
this post is about Tebow, and how it's not about him lol
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Reading the game thread yesterday was enlightening to see.
In the first quarter it was all hunky-dorky and smooth as silk and when the Broncos started bust the lug-nuts off the wheels it like Jeckle and Hyde. The Blue-Birds came out of the hest and the ranting began, mostly nonsensical and unintelligent jestures, making no sense whatsoever…Take a deep breath Broncos Country, we are in the rebuilding nonoffseason and to have a fire sale right now puts us back where we starting. Let the body shop (EFX) do their their job and we’ll have a better outlook of this teams future in Training Camp. In other words, don’t get your hopes up now just because we had a 6 game run. That happens in the NFL and a lot of it was ball-bounce luck. Being executioner of the executioners won’t solve anything right now. Let’s just hope they can make the playoffs and that will be a start to our future…The storm clouds will eventually rise and blow away…
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"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
by bfree2bronc on Dec 19, 2011 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
In other news... apparently Denver has a psychic link to my 6mo old son
We were watching the game here in DC, him in his highly fashionable Broncos onesy, and DEN was rolling along in the 1st Q… and then my son decided his teeth hurt and proceeded to begin screaming his headoff… which about 30seconds later resulted in Ball fumbling…. my son proceeded to freak out for the next hour or so (which mercifully meant I could only 1/2 pay attention to our 2nd Q beatdown) before mercifully falling asleep about 5 minutes into the 3rd Q…. at which point DEN all of a sudden started playing better again.
Not sure what the lesson is… perhaps I should remove the magical onesy when he’s fussy? (but leave on him when happy ;-)
Whatever you do
give him what he wants during the game….. NO FUSSING< NO RANTS!!
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by Sean in Pa. on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
It's pretty simple
and been stated many times already… the Broncos lost this game due to mental errors, turnovers, and penalties.
I saw nothing yesterday that concerned me terribly or changed my mind about where this team is headed. The Broncos, including TT, are getting better. This is just a bump in the road… and hopefully a good lesson was learned yesterday. It will take a near flawless game to beat the Patriots… or any of the NFL elite for that matter.
I saw continued improvement with Tebow – better footwork, better mechanics, better accuracy, better reads of the defense. No reason to even think about not bringing him back next year as the anointed starter… He could use a few more tools at his disposal though…
The defense needs help if the Broncos are gonna be a force against the Rodgers and Brady’s of the NFL. We need at least one cornerback, one safety, and help on the D Line. I think the Broncos defense has improved substantially since last year but they still have a ways to go.
I am satisfied with the O Line, receivers, tight ends (for now)… I am unsure about the running back crew… Tebow will be much better next year…
Anyhow, yesterday wasn’t such a bad loss… just a painful reminder of where the Broncos are as a team right now AND the level of execution it takes to beat a team like the Patriots.
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It's pretty simple in my opinion
Champ and Dawk and Goodman are old, without them our Secondary is right up there with Minnesota
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Silver lining
I agree with most of the sentiments here; this was a game we could have won, but were encumbered by mistakes. That being said, I’m glad that this happened now. If there were any feelings of complacency from this team, they must be gone now. The media hype for the past 2 months has been incredible, and the last thing I want is a Broncos team that starts buying into the hype right before some crucial games.
I hope that this loss acts as motivation for this team to be fired up for the next two weeks, and into the playoffs.
by GirlWhoLovesFootball on Dec 19, 2011 4:12 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Great write up. Rec'd. I take a lot of positives from this game, none bigger than that we can play with these teams if we play mistake free.
Our defense has improved but there is still a lack of quality depth and several positions still don’t have starting quality players. Hopefully EFX sees that we still need a couple more solid defensive drafts to get where we need to be and don’t waste their time on a QB high (or even before rd 4).
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No big loss
The so called “pressure” surrounding this game was 90% media and fan driven because of the “media darlinghood” of it’s two quarterbacks. I don’t say that in a nasty way as I absolutely LOVE both guys and didn’t want to see eithter suffer the loss. But, if one peels away all the national spotlight attention, it wasn’t a make of break game for either side and niether would have been crippled by suffering the loss.
The Broncos played a decent game but lost the turnover battle…. As result, the final score was in no way indicative of the competitive nature of the game itself. Take away just one of those costly turnovers and it would have been another nail-biter. If it all plays out like I think it could, the Pats will likely face the Broncs in the playoffs if Denver makes it past their 1st round opponent. This is certainly a game I pray the Pats won’t take lightly.
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