Tim Tebow Loses to Tom Brady This Time, but Playoffs Still Within Reach
NFL.com says the Broncos only fumbled the ball four times, but I think I'm going to have to disagree with that one. I distinctly remember a botched snap on an extra point, two fumbles by Quan Cosby, two fumbles by Tim Tebow, and a fumble by Lance Ball.
Considering three of those fumbles happened on the plus side of the field for Tom Brady and the Patriots, it's not impossible to figure out why the Denver Broncos lost 41-23 to New England on Sunday.
I think it's important to not dwell on the past, but it's important to realize that the Broncos were absolutely rolling against New England offensively prior to the second quarter debacle, something that has plagued the Broncos all season long.
According to the folks at CBS, the Broncos have the worst point differential in the second quarter this season, and the Pats took us 20-3 in that infamous second quarter.
The Patriots have so many weapons offensively that the Broncos were not able to deliver in blitz packages they have used a majority of the season. It was mostly three or four man rushes from what I can remember, and Tom Brady knit me and the rest of my family a couple of nice Christmas sweaters while he tore apart a secondary that was seriously missing the presence of Brian Dawkins.
That being said, I think the Broncos showed that they can--at times--bring solid pressure with a four man front, and not every team is going to have the likes of Rob Gronkowski, Wes Welker, Chad Ochocinco, Aaron Hernandez, Danny Woodhead, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, etc. who tore the Broncos apart on short routes, one player going to the inside, one player getting outside.
One thing the Broncos limited the Patriots from doing--somewhat--was stretching the pass game up the seam, though they did hit on a couple of beautiful long passes to Ochocinco and Welker, one that was a touchdown, and another that was less than a foot away from being a touchdown.
The defense didn't play a great game yesterday, giving up way more third downs than it seemed we have given up all season long. Typically, when the Broncos get a team into a third down situation, they are able to finish the deal and get off the field, but Tom Brady proved to be simply too good.
Offensively, I definitely think the Broncos are capable of keeping pace with some of the best teams in the league, especially teams that play defense like New England. The problem Sunday was that Denver just couldn't hold on to the ball. Lance Ball's fumble should have never happened, and while I think the Broncos running the zone-read/power option out of the gun is an effective offense, I don't think you should be running it constantly against the worst pass defense in the NFL.
Tebow's play-action and slant to Demaryius Thomas was a golden play all day long, and Denver was going to try an option to Eddie Royal instead of maybe a screen play to Royal. I am all on board for that, but you have to block the linemen in front of you. Either a poorly designed play or pitiful blocking up front caused Tim Tebow's first fumble, where he wasn't holding the ball with two hands getting ready to pitch to Eddie Royal on the option.
I really feel for Quan Cosby for fumbling twice, because that is the kind of thing that can get you cut from a team.
Still, the Broncos' offense--specifically the run game--was unstoppable until Willis McGahee got hurt--again. McGahee finished his day with only seven carries, but was able to get 70 yards.
I love the potential this offense has going forward as Tim Tebow continues to develop as a passer, because we are finally seeing him step up in the pocket and make throws. Sure, they might not be pretty, but they get to the right spot and they get there on time, and we shouldn't really care about anything else unless it becomes a problem, which it hasn't.
One thing that you notice about Tebow in the passing game is his ability to make smart decisions already. He is not afraid to pretty much throw a ball in the dirt or throw it a mile over a receiver's head if he thinks the ball has a chance of being picked off. He doesn't throw interceptions, and I have to give him credit for that.
Where Tebow has really impressed me is his ability to keep his eyes down the field. He is always scanning, always watching for someone to get open even when he knows he is scrambling.
His first touchdown run--a designed running play--was, in my opinion, the best run of his football career. Tebow was essentially sacked by Rob Ninkovich and managed to somehow get out of it and beat a few other defenders to the end zone.
Predictably, the way the Broncos were running the ball opened up the passing game, and I think at one point, Tebow was 5 of 6 passing for 80 yards or so, and things were really clicking. That's when the Lance Ball fumble happened, McGahee was hurt, and things really turned around for the Broncos, not in a good way.
I think there is still a lot of positive to take from this game, and this style of play is important this time of year, the passing game is pretty much a bonus at this point. I don't think the Broncos are going to fumble the ball six times next week, so I predict a much better flow for the Buffalo game, and sometimes this kind of loss is what a team needs to re-gain focus. Remember Tebow's speech against the Ole Miss game?
The last time the Broncos allowed 40-plus points and lost, they wound up winning six in a row. If that pattern repeats itself, the Broncos will win the Super Bowl, which would be exactly six games from right now.
Here's to hoping that specific history repeats itself.
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Turnovers and penalties
Any teams worst enemy.
by HawaiiBroncoFan on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions
Best Foretelling Ever!
The last time the Broncos allowed 40-plus points and lost, they wound up winning six in a row. If that pattern repeats itself, the Broncos will win the Super Bowl, which would be exactly six games from right now.
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by broncorat on Dec 19, 2011 10:45 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Fine post, Sayre
Thanks for the words of encouragement. Take away the turnovers, and you’ve probably taken away most of the 18-point difference in the score. This is not supposed to be a high-risk offense, and they cannot afford turnovers. I hope they get back on track now because I don’t want to see another year-end debacle as we’ve seen in the past.
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As I said in the Horse Tracks segment
I’m okay with another 6 game win streak!
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Let's see . . .
Could I handle another 6-0 run right now?
DARN RIGHT I COULD!!
I just want to see the Broncos score LOTS of points, beat the SNOT out of the opponent, and walk away with a humble "God Bless". How about you?
@Sayre..tape does show 4 fumbles but I agree and extra point snap and
two more snaps that bounced to the qb. Yes it shows that Willis McGahee is probably the 2011 Broncos MVP. Knowshon Moreno is an unknown so I invest a 2nd round on RB.
Stats recorded on screen were 6-9 79 yards. My issue is still 4-5 seconds on progression reads. Throw it away. Five sacks were Tim trying to make a play. No, learn to throw it away.
Boy do we need a qb coach this off-season. Can Adam Gase coach Tim on being an NFL QB?
The main positive from this game is maybe the media goes away and take some of the hassle with it.
Need to play well at Buffalo because Kyle Orton (23-31 299 yards) could be the Scrooge of 2011.
Kreese and Lawrence will decide if Tim Tebow can develop into our future.
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I disagree
it is exactly his ability to extend plays that makes him so dangerous. This was the same situation with Elway. Let’s not paint the golden goose to look like Kyle Orton or Tom Brady for that matter. For the most part, when TT had the ball, he made things happen. There was literally a quarter and a half that our offense was sitting while the Patriots made hay with turnovers.
Time of the game is important in assessing those sacks.
Those sacks were after the momentum had fully transferred to the Pats, and he was trying to make a play. I liked the competitiveness even after the game had gotten out of hand. Your hobgoblins are messing with you again.
Our receivers couldnt get any separation
Of course you neglect to mention that
"It's all over fat man!"
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Learning Experience
Fox got a look at the Patriots when he was with Carolina in the 2004 Super Bowl (NE 32, Carolina 29). I bet he wishes he had a preview of them then. Now Fox and the rest of the Broncos got a look at the 2011 Patriots. Maybe its a preview they can learn from if they meet again this season or, if not, they can learn from in planning the composition of next year’s Broncos team. There’s no better preview than actually playing against a team.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Dec 19, 2011 11:28 AM MST reply actions
3 turnovers, 13 gimme pts....anyone wonder how we lost?
Oh yeah, horrible Safety play…my bad!
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and untimeley penalties which kept their offense alive
the Ayers one was one I can’t get out of my head for some reason. Woulda gave Tebow and the offense great field position!
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Our D got exposed again vs a good Offense.
Hopefully Allen and our young safeties step it a notch in the playoffs.
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Good post.
The end of the game seemed like the first time, since Detroit, where everyone looked dejected. No hope. Heres to Fox Tebow and the veterans firing everyone up again. Like you said, this could be serious motivation.
..We're 8-8 till we're not!
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That history repeating itself
AND Us taking out the Packers in the Super Bowl, for the second time stopping them from repeating. Then Packers fans will really hate the AFC West. xD
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 19, 2011 12:38 PM MST reply actions
Had we not turned the ball over
we would have beaten the Pats by 10, they are good, but we cheated ourselves out of a fair chance to compete with those ludicrous mistakes. Let’s take our frustration out on the Bills! Saturday’s not far away!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 12:51 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
I don't know, maybe.
But for me you can only assume points that were actually scored, and doing that, and taking away the 17 points that New England scored as a result of Denver’s turnovers, they still win 24-23. I think it was a good game anyway, minus the second quarter, and Tim Tebow’s progression continues.
ah, you're using
Dave Krieger’s analysis from the Dave Logan show Monday, touche :)
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 PM MST up reply actions
On the second quater and the fumbles
When a coaching staff sees its team self destructing . What would have been the best
course of action to settle everyone down and
start to play like they did in the first quater ?
Time outs ? benching players ? what ?
It seemed that our coaching staff had no answers . And when the pats had a sizeable lead the defense looked like they quit .
by broncosfaninphilly on Dec 19, 2011 1:04 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Are you going to panic after one fumble?
Bench somebody after the second fumble, which was not even by the same player? Hindsight makes it look like somebody needed to intervene, but at the time, each was an isolated incident.
maybe they did act
and stopped 4 more fumbles from happening.
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I blame the SI Cover curse
If I was being irrational.
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Get well soon Juan.
Well
That cover isn’t even out yet and we have been on one already this season (Jets game) and we still won games, so….
by Sayre Bedinger on Dec 19, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
yeah, that's not really a legitimate excuse, Thnikkaman should have thought that one through
I blame Troy Hufford for shaving his beard!
lol
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If I am superstitious
I blame changing my computer desktop wallpaper this week.
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thank goodness
you are neither irrational nor superstitious, neither are the Broncos, we’ll get back to business and beat the Bills!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right about Thnikaman not thinking things through,
But it was obviously Saturday Night Live’s fault. Could be a brand new curse if teams/players are mocked on Saturday Night Live the night before a game.
Its the Cancha cover curse lol
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2 turnovers on 1st downs while starting to drive down field
For the 4th and 5th time in a row against a defensive staff that was scrambling on the sidelines to stop the bleeding(11 yards a carry or so) was terrible timing. It gave NE the advantage in field position as well as T.o.P. Denver was likely well on their way to scoring at minimum 6 pts on those drives while giving Allen and staff some time on sideline to work on schemes to slow NE offense. Those two turnovers were likely a minimum 20 pt swing, if not more.
by knoepke84 on Dec 19, 2011 1:21 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Turnovers Killed Us
Not only in points but also swung the momentum in New England’s favor.
I know there is never a “good loss” but this couldn’t have come a better time. The team needed to lose to know what it felt like again. Not only that but they can refocus for a push into the playoffs. It also showed some glaring weaknesses and holes that now the coaches can work on shoring up.
They played a pretty good game yesterday. The fumbles killed us, but by no means did Tebow “suck” or succumb to the pressure of a big game with national attention. The offense was humming and the Defense played well when they got back to their “style”. My only complaint outside the fumbles was the lack of using a time out to slow down the Pats a little bit in their hurry up. I think that could’ve helped a little and got us a sub.
by RebelChris on Dec 19, 2011 1:31 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
thou shalt REALLY not
give your opponent turnovers on your side of the 50
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
Excellent post...
Although I like the prediction… I just don’t see this team being a legit playoff threat yet.
Regardless of the outcome of yesterdays game, I think the Broncos are playing quite well, improving a little bit each week. Take away some mental errors and turnovers in yesterdays game, and I believe the Broncos win that game and Brady goes home with his tail between his legs. But the Patriots helped cause some of those turnovers… so give them some credit.
I think this team is in reality about two years away from being a legitimate championship threat… But I love the direction everything is headed. As Elway stated, this is the first year of a 3-year rebuilding project. So far, I think expectations have already been exceeded… Keep it up!
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suppose you are accurate
we are not in legitimate championship threat and we make the playoffs anyway? That’s pretty dang good!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 2:17 PM MST up reply actions
Absolutely...
And honestly who really believed the Broncos would make the playoffs at the beginning of the year? Nobody that I know of… so while the Broncos may not go far in the playoffs should they get in, they are miles ahead of where most thought they would be right now. That’s awesome if you ask me.
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I agree
This team has far exceeded my expectations. I would like to see someone smarter than me compare our starting offense draft picks (where they were taken in the draft) compared to some other elite teams. I believe we are doing more with less. Is that Tim, I don’t know. I like to think it is journeymen doing it with heart, desire, and a Little Mile High Magic. Rebuilding of course means, building through the draft. If the Broncos can add some elite talent to both sides of the ball I think they’ll be the Packers type team in a few years. People forget that the Packers got to where they are after many years of mediocrity. They built around what they had by drafting players who can get it done. We can do the same. We have a very strong core with some weak or aging players on the edges. I’m 34 years old, played college football and stay in great shape because of my job. That being said I’m much slower and less durable than I was 10 years ago. I’m sure, regardless of how gifted, guys like Baily (Who I hold in the upmost respect) are starting to hit their wall. As we build, we have to build to reinforce past success and future victory. I think we can do it faster than most talking heads think we can. The coaching faculty are their, a lot of the players are there. Andrew Luck is not needed by the next Patrick Peterson and Mark Ingram are in high demand. GO Broncos, and Go Fans…..Bleed Orange and don’t be a fare weather fan.
You learn more from a loss.
NE is a good team that will make you pay when you turn the ball over. There are some positives they can take from this game and use for the last two games.
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by weazel on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM MST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"the Broncos showed that they can--at times--bring solid pressure with a four man front"
huh?
I can count the times Brady was pressured all game on one hand. The front four was outstanding during the win streak, but they got man-handled by the pats oline yesterday. Pressure on the QB has been the key to past defensive success and it will be in the future (especially the playoffs).
Sayre...Great Post...it lifts me a little
If I was to blame anyone for yesterday…it would be me. I had a gut feeling that the game would end this way. I hate those gut feelings…they almost always end up true. I’m usually not like that…keep it positive is my forte’
I loved the beginning of the game but instead of getting hopeful (after the PAT fumble) I was just waiting for the next fumble.
I apologize to everyone at this site…I really think I caused this. I know this sounds funny…but its true.
One thing I did get from this game is we have a very good team that does have not nearly the number of holes to fill as I thought.
The first quarter proved that we can dominate with our line, our defense proved they can stop Brady on occasion (which is all you can do with Brady) and the team as a whole seems just one, two, or maybe three players short.
I wish we hadn’t lost Syd’Quan Thompson and hope he recovers from IR and comes back next year…if not we need four players.
If we could get lucky with a running back along the lines of an Arian Foster (I wish we had Kubiak’s RB scout) we could make great strides. If we go after the best Safety available it would be a good thing. If Syd’Quan doesn’t come back we also need another corner.
AND we need a ‘Great’ Tight End. I have been so unimpressed with our tight ends that that would be (if a great running back is not available) my first round pick…even if its not the best player on the board.
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Im looking ahead
After that thorough spanking san diego put on the ravens, I like our chances in the post season, I made a prediction that tebow would have his best game of the year against the patriots and I was close, he’s made leaps of improvements in my book and I believe should be the staring qb for years to come, like other I agree that our defense was depleted of a real leader and it showed, but if our offense and defense shows up like it did in the first quarter for a whole game, we will be unstoppable, I’ve watched the broncos struggle for several years now and I’m seeing light at the end of our tunnel.GO BRONCOS!!!!
by Broncos813 on Dec 19, 2011 4:09 PM MST via mobile reply actions
We could say we lost to the Patriots D
The turnovers didn’t just happened, except for Cosby’s, they were caused by the defence. They new we were gonna run the ball a lot and tried to punch the ball out as often as they could. Tebow will have to tuck the ball better when he runs or it will keep happening.
Playoff Picture?
This is not a loss I am going to linger on personally. We gave up the ball 3x in the 2nd quarter. Lance Ball fumble, Tebow fumble, and the Quan Cosby muff which turned into 17 Patriot points. Add the missed extra point and that’s 18 points given away (the same margin of points we lost by). John Fox said it best when he said you are not going to win many if any games against the Patriots on the wrong side of the turnover battle. What I want explained to me is how come the “experts & analysts” keep saying we need to win out to get into the playoffs? Do the Chargers hold a tie breaker over us if we both finish 9-7? Because from what I see and I am no expert, is that if we beat Buffalo next week we lock up the division regardless of what happens against KC in week 17.
I do want Quan Cosby gone though
this is a bad economy after all, only those who perform well should remain employed.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
There's some call centers opening up around the state...
“Hello, this the Quan… the former kick returner from the Broncos. You are over due on your cell phone bill. Just like me catching the ball, I’m going to drop your service right now.”
I believe.
who's his provider, Tatum Bell?
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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!
by the new Bradfather on Dec 19, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know where you get your info
But that is not an accurate statement.
It depends on where that other loss comes for both teams. You haven’t really researched the whole tie-breaker thing all that much, have you? There are numerous places to check, so I will not waste any precious internet space with regurgitation, LoL. But you really do need to check your facts. =D
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 20, 2011 12:18 PM MST up reply actions
Oh sorry
Didn’t realize you’re not a Broncos fan. No wonder you didn’t have your facts straight about a team that is not a priority for ya. ( ;
A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins (perhaps and then some)!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Dec 20, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
the game
The game we need to win isn’t against the bills ( which would be an added bonus) but the one against the chiefs, cause with a win we win our division and have the best record, when it comes to tie breakers, division record decides, cause I’m pretty sure if oakland or san diego win out they tie us in division and overall, so the chiefs game is the most important, GO BRONCOS!!
by Broncos813 on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Bottom Line Up Front
Broncos are doing much better that I (Life long Bronco Fan) thought we would be doing this year. Tim is leading a mediocre team, with a motivated defense, to do things no one thought they could do. Tim is passing and running well. Surround him with elite recievers and RBs like other great QBs and he’ll be a force. Our defense is young and old. Bring along the young guys and reinforce the old guys, we’ll do well. No matter what, be a fan, cheer on what we have. I believe playoffs are a possibility and success is within reach. Coaching staff is seeing something no other coaching staff has seen in years, if ever. They will figure it out and drive forward. I’m excited. We have the tools and we have a full off season coming after a possible post season experiance…….Thanks Kirk for the help on my Masters Thesis, I got an A…..
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Oh by the way
I live in Kansas City right now (Army School), they are ecstatic about their team right now. They could be a huge speed bump in the road for the Broncos. However, Orton is the same Orton, just a different uniform. He still can’t score in the Red Zone and motivates like deputy dog from the old cartoons (at least when I was little). That being said, Kansas Defense is strong. We’ll have to run them over and play lights out to beat them again.
I saw the game and totally agree. This game has "fourth quarter comback" written all over
PS: I could tell you were army as soon as I read “Bottom Line Up Front”
why do we always look for excuses
I understand we fumbled but its not like tim and lance just decided to put the ball down and say hay patriots here ya go! Lol the pats D had to make plays credit them too and we sit here and talk about dawkins but in the packers game ppl were in an uproar over brian playing in games were he has to pass defend..dawkins would have prolly made this game a bigger hole then it was, we got beat tim needs to settle down more the o line is giving him a lot of time and von better be motivated this week bcuz the pats just put the blueprint to shut him down out to the league let’s hope we can improve from this defeat and not regress
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