Fabio's mock draft 1.0
by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 12:31 PM MST
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PrintAs we all know, it's never too early to talk about the draft. I know we already saw a few Bowls being played, but I'd like to make my first mock before the Bowls, just based on the regular season. The performances on those decision games and the NFL Combine will change a lot how we see the big board. For now, that's how I'd run the draft for our beloved Denver Broncos.
1. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Does anybody disagree we have a major need at CB? Goody is old and being torched game after game. He clearly lost more than 1 step and I'm done with him. Ok, he made a couple key picks this season, but I don't think it's enough for him to keep his starting job. I want to replace him in the next offseason, drafting the best CB available, who likely is gonna be Dennard. The kid is a 5 ft 10, 205 lb smart and very fast guy to cover the opposite side of Champ Bailey. I'd put Harris to the slot, since he is a great tackler and can cover this spot near the LOS. I didn't give up on Syd'Quan and Cassius (and Wilhite also) yet, but I'm seeing a small room for them in Denver.
2. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
For me this is the offensive major need right now. McGahee is in beast mode, but we don't know how long it will last. I see Knowshon Moreno as a good and serviceable #2, he just lacks in explosive plays and struggles to find the hottest route. I like Lance and Jeremiah to make depth, but I don't see a starting job to them. That's why we should adress another early RB to fill in the spot. I'd go with James, even hearing he is too small - 5 ft 9, 185lb, because of his expertise with the spread-option offense. I think he would be a very interesting friend do Tim Tebow and put a lot of yards to keep our rushing game as the #1 in NFL. If you don't like small RBs, just remember Sproles or look at Maurice Jones-Drew.
3. Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
What an offseason FA add we made signing Bunkley! Thomas and McBean were also 2 pleasant surprises and are playing at a high level. I'm anxious to see how Ty Warren can contribute if he can stay healthy. So that's why I don't think this a major need anymore, but we should think about the future and invest on a 3rd rounder at this position. I hope Crick is available at our spot so I'd pull the trigger on this 6 ft 6, 285 lb defensive lineman out of Nebraska.
4. Russell Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
We need a quarterback. We don't need an early one, but we need one! Brady Quinn will be gone and I'm not confident at this moment to keep only Weber as the backup. I agree with fans whom say we should just sign a veteran... but I'd prefer to target the 5 ft 11, 191 lb Badger. He would be a very interesting kid to backup Timmy...
5. (via Rams) Aaron Henry, FS, Wisconsin
We had no offseason this year and this fact hurts a lot our two prospects Rahim Moore and Quinton Carter. I stil have hope but we can't go all in on them yet. Tha'ts why we should use the Lloyd's pick at this position. First, to have more quality options, and second to enjoy Dawkins' knowledge teaching the kids. Henry should be available at the early 5th, but if not, we should target the best S prospect...
5. best RT available
I like what I see when we use Clark in our Extra Tackle Package... I think he is a good backup at RT, but I'd like to draft one trying to find a late gem. This is a game won and lost in the trenches, I'd always add some new bodies to our lines in every single draft, even if using late picks.
6. best WR available
7. best CB available
A note: I'm confident Nate Irving will be our new great mike, that's why I wouldn't target any LB this year. Anyway Te'o is returning to college and will be on the board next year if Irving doesn't step up.
How about my mock draft? Would you fellas be happy with it?
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Thank you, Nadja
Glad you liked it.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
I like pick 1 and 2
Jury stills out on pick 3
HATE the Russell Wilson pick. Sorry man normally we see eye-to-eye, but this pick seems to be a wasted pick. Not that QB is a watse but tha it’s a Pat White kinda player, great in College, but really no place to play him in the NFL!
What if
We switch third to Kirk Cousins, Michigan State and in the 4th pick up Marcus Forston, DT, Miami? Just a What if
by MileHighPride on Dec 22, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
I'm ok with this move too.
I’m also ok on taking K. Moore (Boise State) who is likely going on the 5th…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
Moore would be a Joe Theisman type of player...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
Wilson
Crazy thing about if Denver were to draft Wilson is that he would have then been drafted by both the Colorado Rockies and the Denver Broncos.
yup
i think he is committed to play football though.
Sounds good Fabio
Maybe not how I see things going, but this looks good to me. As of this writing I would love to see the Broncos take a RB first round, as this is the single-most important part of establishing the identity they want to have. It is quite obvious how much impact mcGahee has, because when he is out, this team misses him bad. But I see how that may not be the right move at the slot we will have given the players around. I also am one to believe that big time CB’s are the hardest to find, and the most effective to exploit by NFL QB’s, so if we can get our hands on a top-notch one, we should jump at it.
I see the team signing a veteran QB in the offseason and letting Quinn go. Boydy has suggested Garrard or Seneca Wallace if he’s available, and I like that idea.
I also want the Broncos to draft a higher rated O-lineman, whether it is at guard or tackle. Beadles should be a backup, and he needs a replacement, not competition.
Picking a safety, IMO, will hinge on whether Dawkins returns or not. I get the feeling that he will play until nobody will let him anymore, so having him would allow the team to follow Carter and Moore’s progress through an actual offseason without the pressure of needing to find an immediate upgrade.
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I respectfully disagree, boanst.
While I agree that we need to establish ourselves as a force in the running game, we’ve already done that this season. We’re by far the league leaders in rushing. With Tebow here, and so many backs in the backfield including Fannin, our UFA who could potentially make an impact. I’m not saying we don’t need an RB in this draft, I just don’t think it will be first round.
I agree with Fabio here in that we need a CB. I think the part of our identity that remains to be established is our defense. It has been consistent in its inconsistency, and that needs to get shored up. We already know that Tebow & Co. can run a ball-control offense (as long as they hang on to the ball) – the thing we need most is for our defense to solidify to ensure that even if we go 3-and-out, that we can count on them to make the opposing offense do the same.
Then, we’ll just keep pounding the rock and doing what we do best.
I'm with bizzle...
To draft a 1st round RB, I’d go with Richardson… but no way I’d trade up to make this pick. I think our own version of Sproles (LaMichael James) versed on our type of offense will bring us this identity we need to establish.
I like and I aprove the OL move. However I don’t think this is the year to do it. I’d like to give the 2nd youngest OL in NFL to have another year together before banging the gavel on it. If Zane keeps being our offensive worst starter, then I’d like to see a first or second rounder RT (or LG) being drafted. We could move Franklin to LG if it happens…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:18 PM MST up reply actions
Love this mock
Minus James and Wilson, mostly because I think we are okay at RB, and I don’t think we can get Russell Wilson that low, though he would be a decent fit for this system. I’d rather take a DT in the 2nd and take a RB and QB in the late rounds. Other than that, love Dennard as a prospect and I think Henry would be a nice pick up as well.
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Thank you, Topher
I agree with you.. we are OK at RB. But how long will we be ok? If McGahee misses some other games and Moreno still can’t remain healthy, we are done. James would be our own version of Darren Sproles… he would make a great impact on our offense. A Zone Read call with him and Tebow would always represent a big threat to any defense.
I’m not sure if Wilson fall to the 4th also… What do you think about the Bronco Kellen Moore, or maybe Weeden sliding here?
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:22 PM MST up reply actions
I agree we can't trust McGahee long term
But I think we are set next season with Ball, Moreno and McGahee. I feel the 2012 draft should be heavily focused on defense and possibly an offensive lineman like you suggested. I love James as a player, I’m a big Oregon fan, and I would be stoked for him to come here, but I feel we NEED a defensive player, while RB is more of a WANT this draft. If we can get a starting DB and DT early, I really don’t care where we go in the mid to late rounds.
As for Moore, I think a bit more highly of him than some, but I don’t feel he would fit well here, he’d do much better in a West Coast offense, where he can use his incredible football IQ to make pre-snap reads and rip defenses apart. Personally I wouldn’t be against resigning Quinn, he’s mobile, can roll out, and is a vet. I don’t want Tebow to go down and trust a rookie coming in from a pure Spread Option college offense.
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by Topher Doll on Dec 22, 2011 4:58 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd love drafting defense
But I really see the RB position as a need right now, if not drafted, at least with a FA sign. We know Fox is capable of drafting a late 1st round RB (DeAngelo Williams), so I think EFX will target an early back this year. I agree with them on this need vs want argue, however you make sense on your vantage point.
I talked about Quinn below somewhere… I’d like to resign him and save the pick, but I really can’t figure a way for him to accept it. Let’s be honest, he isn’t the best QB of the history of the world, but he can find a starting job elsewhere.
Don’t to trust a rookie pure spread-option QB to step up is another good point. I’m still not sold between drafting a QB or signing a veteran… this is an argue to support the idea of a veteran. However, I’m seeing a lot of veteran backups playing so ugly right now that ohhhh I don’t want it for the Broncos.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
Quinn actually has said he'd like to return to the Broncos
So resigning him doesn’t seem like an issue.
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I didn't read it, but I'll trust you as a source
So for me, my 2.0 mock (after the Bowls likely, maybe after the firsts FA signs) will have no QB =]
Tim Tebow / Brady Quinn / Adam Weber – no changes.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:18 PM MST up reply actions
I like that depth chart
But a late round prospect couldn’t hurt. As for the Quinn quote, I’m digging for the quote, it may have been on Vic and Gary. If he doesn’t want to return, there are some decent FA QB’s out there who have some mobility to run this offense.
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I heard him say he would like to return to the Broncos but he wants to be a starter.
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It definitely is not gonna happen...
But I’d love to resign him to the backup job.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 7:26 AM MST up reply actions
This probably won't change your mind, but here's trying...
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"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
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Crick will lose a lot of mony for not coming out this year.
I don’t know where he will land but I don’t think Fox would take him. I’m warming up to LaMichael James. My only concern id durability? Chris Polk Washington would be my pick in the 2nd rd. If you want a speedster or a Sproles type player then Demps and Rainey will be around in the 4th…
12/10/11: Polk had a strong season. He runs with good vision, cutting ability and hits the hole quickly. The junior also runs well behind his pads and can power through defenders. Washington has had a subpar offensive line, and if Polk had better blocking, he could have even better numbers. The benefit to that line is the 5-foot-11, 222-pounder is a very patient runner who knows how to put defenders on blockers. Thus far in 2011, Polk has run for 1,341 yards (5.1 average) and 11 touchdowns. He also has caught 29 passes for 324 yards and four scores.
Derick Wolfe DT Cinncinati, 6’5" 302lbs…I could see EFX taking this guy in the 3rd if he’s still on the board. If you get a chance watch the Cinncinati Bowl game…
12/16/11: Wolfe had an excellent senior season with 64 tackles, 19.5 tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles and 9.5 sacks. At the point of attack, he overwhelms offensive linemen with his strength and speed. Wolfe closes on the quarterback quickly and plays the run extremely well. He has a nice repertoire of pass rushing moves and uses a strong rip move. Entering the NFL, Wolfe has very good technique with a relentless motor.
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I like Wolfe as well, but some say he'd be a better fit on a 3-4 defense.
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I could see him as an undertackle in a 4/3...It's just a matter of sematics.
The relentless motor is what I love about him. I’ve watched him play a couple of times this year and he just seems to be around the play most of the time.
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
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Yeah he would be a good fit for the Chiefs at DE.
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I don't get when people say a DLineman fits better a 3-4..
Just look at Cullen Jenkins.. A lot of Broncos were saying in the offseason they prefered to move after Mebane (and my point is not to compare who is best) because “Jenkins is coming from a 3-4”.
Ok, now Jenkins is playing 4-3 for the Eagles and making an outstanding job. My theory is that the 3-4 DLinemen are so used to have a double team over them, that when they sometimes face a 1-on-1 block they excel….
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
I think that's only true for NTs.
Nose Tackles are typically bigger and bulkier than your average DT, and may not be able to move around blocks as well. They’re essentially a big body that can push against a C and a guard, and cut off gaps by holding their ground. They’re not particularly efficient at getting in the backfield or adjusting for a run.
- Just my opinion *
Yeah it really all boiled down to the players ability on which scheme he's better suited at.
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I think G.Dorsey is a good example of that.
When he was picked they said he was a 4-3 DT, yet the Chiefs have him at DE in a 3-4. I think you can see the result of a player playing out of position with him. That being said the Chiefs only want their DEs in this scheme to take up blockers which he does, but it would be nice to have a guy that could get to the QB more than Dorsey, I think Wolfe would be that guy.
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I agree with your points (you both)
But I’m saying about a proven 3-4 DLineman… I have no doubt any good player in these conditions would excel also in a 4-3 playing tackle, under or over.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:37 PM MST up reply actions
Height can be an issue
A taller 4-3 DT often has a tougher time getting leverage on shorter centers and guards — but is perfect as a 3-4 DE v tackles. Also, players who are slower/bigger are often better as space-eaters in a 3-4 rather than disrupters in a 4-3.
I think he could play DT in a 4-3 or DE in a 3-4 and when he is on form i agree he just does not stop. However he is very inconsistent and has injury issues.
If he drops to the 3rd round then its good value but I think he is likely to be gone in the 2nd round because of those days when he is good.
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Any DT that can actually get to the QB would be an upgrade over what we have now.
Right now Wolfe looks value in round 3.
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by British Bronco on Dec 23, 2011 4:19 AM MST up reply actions
Thank you for the video, Bill
But you are right… it didn’t change my mind =)
Anyway, I can’t say I’d be sad with Minnifield in Orange & Blue… I just think we could go on better prospects.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Good mock, Fabio!
I like it!
I also think that you have to add an FA option. LaMichael James would be awesome, but we have people like Ryan Grant and Matt Forte that could easily fit into our scheme. They’re proven players. Not that I don’t like the picks you’ve made, I just think that there are a handful of FAs out there who are better than our options in the draft.
Since there’s not a snowball’s chance in hell that we can get Trent Richardson, I say that the FAs out there for this position are a lot more viable (in my mind) than draft options.
The only point of disagreement: I don’t like the Wilson pick either. Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a great QB, but, as you mentioned in your post, I’m of the mindset that having a 3rd year and 2nd year player on our roster at QBs is crazy enough; adding a rook to that mix would just cause too much turbulence.
Matt Forte would be too expensive to land, imo
But Ryan Grant missed the entire ‘10 season and is not having a great year for the Packers now. I’d sign him… I like the kid.
I get any argue against Wilson. I admit I’m not sold on him also because of a couple reasons, but for now I think he would be the best move to do at QB. I just hope Timmy remains healthy and we don’t need to panic with another QB in the huddle.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Forte would be pricey
But he’s young, experienced, and explosive. I would throw money at him. I like Grant too though – he’s not bad at all, and he’s really filling in well for Starks right now.
Oh Bizzle, don't get me wrong
Would I like to see Forte in Denver? Absolutely!!
But I don’t think it’s gonna happen. EFX are saying they want to build the franchise through the drafts, so it wouldn’t be coherent to pay all that money to Matt Forte.
If was running this team, I’d consider him as a good target, althought thinking he will wish to stay in Chicago.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
I got ya. I agree, I don't know if it'll happen.
But I can drool, right? :)
Sure lol
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM MST up reply actions
I like this mock but just a couple things to say
I like James but do the Broncos really want to spend a 2nd round pick on a utility player and a guy who will only play roughly 15-20 snaps a game. I do like James and I think he could be a weapon but he would never be a feature back with this style of offense. I’m not convinced this is the best way to spend a second round pick when we could get Rainey or Demps on day 3.
I have been hyping Chris Polk all season for one simple reason. He is the perfect fit for the style of offense we run. He has great vision, is incredibly patient, hits holes well, knows how to put defenders on blockers, has a great cut and is way more elusive then he looks. He would not only be a great compliment to McGahee, he could also be a feature back who carries the ball more than 20 times. This guy is a legitimate NFL starter for any team. James is only a starter for a team that passes a lot and could get him in space easily. I’m starting to see a ton of draft experts having the Broncos take Polk in the 2nd and it just feels perfect.
Polk might not be the best weapon available for the option offense but the Broncos don’t run the option as their main offense so why spend a 2nd round pick on a weapon for our gimmick offense when we could get a weapon for our main offense. I like James but I just don’t like him to the Broncos in the 2nd. If he falls to the 3rd I’d be much more open to getting him.
I don’t like Crick in a 4-3. I don’t think he can be an every down DT in a 4-3 but if the Broncos draft him in the 3rd, they won’t be drafting him to start and he would only be used for his pass rushing abilities which I wouldn’t mind at all.
To note, besides Teo there will be some good ILB’s next year as well. CJ Mosely out of Alabama, Tom Wort from Oklahoma, Andrew Jackson out of Western Kentucky.
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I know you like highlights so here's good clip of why I think he's perfect for us
not a speedster like James but watch this and try and tell me you don’t see a little TD in him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEafHF0IwqU
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by AlbertaBronc on Dec 22, 2011 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, that's what I see fox going after...
He has that studder step that freezes defenders and finds the holes. Downhill runner of the Fox mode…I’m on board.
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He looks slowwwwwww.
What would you guys think about Vick Ballard? He’s projected 4th or 5th round http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6q-56NykUk
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Isn't Ballard slower than Polk
don’t quote me on this but I think Polk runs about a 4.50 where as Ballard runs a 4.60.
Other than that I like Ballard and I think he’s better than where he is being projected. If the Broncos are looking for a RB on day 3, he’d be at the top of my board.
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by AlbertaBronc on Dec 22, 2011 2:43 PM MST up reply actions
I personally think you guys should draft D.Wilson
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Wilson looks so quick! wow
However is he consistent doing this? And I’m not making a rhetorical question, I just didn’t see VT in enough action to grade him better or worse than Polk.
I caught some Oregon games to see James, I really like the kid to join the Broncos.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
I just wonder about durability with him, other than that he's great.
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Meaning James.
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Sproles and MJD are the same type of RB
Ok, MJD has more beef, but Sproles is almost the same.. I think he would have a similar durability.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
James is electric
but the durability question’s about him are legit.Think Jahvid Best. James value for us the 4th round, but he will be gone by then.
Nice mock
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Heres some info about D.Wilson
David Wilson*, RB, Virginia Tech
Height: 5-10. Weight: 205.
Projected 40 Time: 4.59.
Projected Round (2012): 2-3.
12/10/11: Wilson has had a breakout junior season and was named the ACC Player of the Year. He has gone over 100 yards rushing nine times. Wilson is averaging 6.1 yards per carry for a total of 1,627 yards rushing and nine touchdowns. He also has caught 21 passes for 126 yards and a score.
Wilson combines good speed with excellent balance, body lean and toughness. He is adept at breaking tackles and getting yards after contact. Wilson also has the ability to make defenders miss in the open field. He looks like he has the potential to be a three-down back in the NFL. Wilson had some issues with ball security as he has seven fumbles on the season.
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"Wilson had some issues with ball security as he has seven fumbles on the season."
Pass
TurfSharks.com
We are enough with the word: FUMBLE at this moment
But maybe, and I’m not saying yes, he could improve it.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Fumbles? - Yeah pick another week to try and sell us on Wilson Mr Cpt "crafty" Caveman
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by British Bronco on Dec 23, 2011 4:22 AM MST up reply actions
From where did you got this, Cavey?
I’ll try looking at a random VT game to see the kid. Highlights sometimes lie lol
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
Looks like Walterfootball...
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
Yep
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Oh I know this site...
Thank you, Cavey and Bill.
I like their analyses, but they look a bit crazy sometimes in a few mocks =P
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
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If you want to see Wilson you have to take the Clemson game on board. It seems to me when he is against a top defence he struggles. For me there are about 5 or 6 RBs who are poised to come out.
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that are better
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
I'll try to find this game to watch...
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 7:28 AM MST up reply actions
I'm not saying I'd prefer Polk over James, as you see in the mock
But I agree with your points… Polk would be a great add to our offense. But my point is, will he be there when we pick, considering we will have a late position to the draft? I don’t think so, Alberta…
About the ILBs next year, I thought because of this Te’o would declare to this draft… I was very surprised when he said he is returning to college 1 more year. If Irving doesn’t show he is the next man up, I’d love to pick Te’o in 2013.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions
RB is always very very deep
I suspect we will draft one too high — because Fox has a history of using high picks on RB’s. But RB is really the one position where each year there are a half-dozen NFL caliber players who don’t even get drafted.
Yeah but don't get caught with your pants down like the Chiefs did when they lost J.Charles for the year.
You have to have quality at certain positions and RB is one of them. Right now McGahee is doing great but if he was to get hurt your right back where you started, not to mention the fact that you need to look to the future at that position. Fox is a ball control run the ball first coach, he will draft a RB.
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I agree he will draft one
And actually I think we will have a slew of them available in the 5th or 6th round. RB’s always drop in the draft.
And we do have a pretty good RB crew already. It’s always good to add one more to the competition. But there is an opportunity cost in every draft pick. Once we go “top round” on RB, we run into the reality that RB has the shortest career out there. See Moreno for the risks of using a top round to fill our IR slot.
I think he will get an early RB
AND a FA one…
DeAngelo was a late 1st rounder, but I really don’t like this kind of pick there. In the 2nd I’m ok…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:09 PM MST up reply actions
Oh, EFJ
I would!
Nay, I wouldn’t be shocked because I know Fox can make this move (look at DeAngelo #27 overall), but I’d be pissed to burn a first round this way….
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
I think Montee Ball, Chris Polk, and LaMichael James (in that order) would be better picks in the second round
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I'd love to select Montee Ball
So sad he won’t be there in the late 2nd imo.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Ball has such a good O line, though.
No that the Denver O line is bad, but the Badgers have what some consider to be the best run blocking line in the NCAA, and that’s quite a statement.
Not to mention he dropped like 20lbs from last season to this – also not sure that helps his stock as a power runner.
I’m just not 100% sold on him.
You could get D.Wilson in the 3rd round.
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If so, we could add a great DT in the 2nd
But I still didn’t change my mind ;)
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
Disagree.
there’s a big drop off in DT’s this year. Two top tier — two great nose tackles (which we don’t need) – and then a bit of a cliff
I agree this is a weak DT class
But I’d use a NT ad a LDT in our system. A kid like Ta’amu for example…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions
I think he'll be a great NT
which is why he will never make it past Pittsburgh (currently a 34 yo Casey Hampton at NT), Buffalo(currently wasting Dareus there), Houston (currently a 300 lb Cody there); New England (currently playing a 4-3 because they don’t have a true NT) or Washington (currently wasting Cofield there) to us in the 2nd round.
OTOH – there may be a revolt here in Denver if we draft a slow monster truck NT this year. Imagine the rumors — are we heading back to a 3-4 again? Even though that could be a really really sly-like-a-fox move for us. VonDoom as rush LB’s is dynamite. With a great NT at last and we still pretty much have our 3-4 DE’s. Having the players to run both schemes would really set up our defense well.
Agreed entirely with you here,
but when you say about the Pats. I think we can’t make this statement since they have a legit NT on Vince Wilfork! He is a 6 ft 2, 323 lb NT … so I don’t know why they changed to 4-3 but it wasn’t because of a NT lack imo.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
You are right
But most 3-4 NT in college add 15-20 pounds in prep for the NFL after the end of college, so he could beef up is he decides to play NT in the 3-4 at the NFL level.
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Wilfork is 30
He’s as beefed up as he’s gonna get.
I agree re college NT’s. Depending on their frame, a lot of them can add a lot.
It will be interesting to see what direction he goes
obviously his agent will be look at which position will draft him higher than tell him whether to add or not to add weight.
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I think he will get an early round RB as well
and I fully expect that we will be disappointed — even if the RB is good. Fox overdrafts RB’s. I don’t like Shanahan — but he did understand that you don’t need to do that to still have a great running game.
I actually do think a speedster type (with good hands as well)
is a perfect fit for Tebow. The value of them is that they force the defenses to spread out a bit on passing plays. Which gives Tebow another passing option — or a bigger hole to run. Florida actually has two of the better speed demons — Jeff Demps and Chris Rainey – both of whom could well clock in at around 4.3-4.35
Like it in general.
Just a note though, Maurice Jones-Drew is short, not small. He’s over 200 lbs.
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That’s what I tried to mean.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions
Well, you boys and girls will get to see Vontaze Burfict tonight against BoiseSt...Good luck.
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But man, I really wouldn’t like to have Burfict. No way…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
Go Texans:P
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lol
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:16 PM MST up reply actions
You bet...I'll tape the TNF for later on tonight. LOL.
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I like the first pick.
Also would consider Ingram. He is a sick athlete and good pass rusher. Could still pick up a solid CB in the second round too.
If you want James that bad, he’ll be there in the third round. I don’t think he’s worth taking in the second round. A lot is depending on his 40 time.And Crick won’t be there in the third. I would be shocked if he made it out of the second round.
I like the Wislon pick in the fourth. The only reason why his stock went down is because he played poorly against Ohio State and the first matchup against Michigan State. He’s a smart guy, good leader, and a athlete
Not a bad mock draft overall.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 22, 2011 2:30 PM MST reply actions
Thank you for thoughts, tider...
Just a question about James, would he be there in the 3rd. Remember we are picking near the 27th spot, so in the late 3rd James woulg be gone. We could think about trading picks to make this move, but I wouldn’t see much sense doing this.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
I think James will be there in the early 3rd round
but he’ll be long gone by the time we’re up. Cyrus Gray could be a good alternative.
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I think he will be gone in the late 3rd too
That’s why I’d grab him in the 2nd.
Cyrus Gray is a question mark in my mind… I’d be disappointed if he was the selected RB.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Dan from mockdraft blog thinks he'll be a third to fourth round pick.
I think it depends on how he runs his 40 time and if he bulks up. If he shows up to the combine or to his pro day a little light and runs a slow time, then I could see him dropping to the fourth. Now if he blows up the combine, you could make the agrument he would be gone in second. I wouldn’t mind taking him near the end of the second if he blows up the combine, but I’d rather take Demps from Florida in the 5th round—preferably the one from the rams. Demps bascially the same player just at a cheaper price.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 PM MST up reply actions
Drafting a CB...
Why does everyone think that drafting a CB is easy? Top 3 corners in this years draft have been getting torched this season. Peterson has helped in the return game, but he hasn’t been shut down by any means on defense.
Prince just got benched mid game against Rex Grossman because he was getting lit up. And Phil Rivers exposed Jimmy Smith on Sunday night when they played Bmore.
Drafting in the secondary has been difficult for us. We’ve needed corners and safeties since Atwater and Darien Gordan left. The only ones really worth mentioning since that time were mostly vets Dawk, Champ, Lynch… Only draft pick I recall working out on the field was Deltha Oneal. DWill, Foxworth, the guys we have now…. all need a few seasons to reach their potential and in the meantime… growing pains.
that's the thing though
let’s get these guys why we still have the vets here to help them. CB’s normally take a couple years to develop so let’s bring them in while we still got Bailey, Dawkins, etc.
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by AlbertaBronc on Dec 22, 2011 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
True...
but that has not worked in the past. Middlebrooks, Roc Alexander, Foxworth, Paymah, etc. And those guys played under the old rules. The new rules make it even tougher on CBs. So in the end, the difference between good and average is nominal. Unless you get lucky and land Champ… D Revis… or someone like that, why spend a 1st rounder when you can get a guy in the 4th that will be about as effective as the guy from the 1st round?
i.e. Chris Harris was undrafted… didnt even get invited to the combine.. and he’s playing as good as jimmy smith who was highly regarded coming out. (maybe im biased b/c im a broncos fan… so #grainofsalt) Also.. playing better than Perrish Cox who was early round talent, but only landed in teh 5th b/c of well desrved character concerns. Hell C Vaughn was playing better than Cox and he was undrafted in the same draft.
by Triz06 on Dec 22, 2011 3:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Valid points, triz.
Didn’t really consider the history. The only small disagreement I have with your argument is that Harris also hasn’t really started against #1s and #2s all year, having played nickel just about every down he plays.
That being said, I totally agree with you. All I want to see is a defense-heavy draft, and address some of our offensive needs (RB, WR, maybe even OT) in FA. We already have some young(er) playmakers on D, and surrounding them with more quality rooks will only help them. While I would like to see an early-round CB, we have plenty of holes that need to be fixed. Look at the 49ers – they have Carlos Rogers, but other than that, their secondary isn’t really that solid. They have arguably one of the best D-lines and LB corps in the league, though, and I’d be totally OK with something like that.
We don’t need to be a complete defense – just like the Pats are not a complete offense. They score points through the air, almost exclusively. As such, we don’t need to have a defense that can stop both the run and the pass – but we can certainly have a defense that gets so much push at the line, that we can free up people to do other things. A pass-rushing defense that can stop the run, but with a mediocre secondary, will do well, as long as they can be consistent.
We all have ideas of how we want the 2012 Broncos to turn out, but there are certainly more ways than one to skin a Raid… pig.
Fox's style is to limit the opponents possessions and the way that's done is ground and pound and move the chains...
We’ve struggled to do that more than not this year with all of the unfamiliarity with eachother…A full offseason and we should be fine.
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I'm all about the optimism!
I absolutely think they will get a lot better.
Actually Harris went against Welker most of the pats game.
Also was matched up against some of the TEs. He held is own and gave them a run for their money. That’s pretty good for a rookie let alone an undrafted one. This might be a bold statement, but I could easily see him being the next Tramon Williams. Similar story, but it took Williams a little longer which makes Harris’ story even more impressive.
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I know - I did see that Harris covered Welker most of the game.
Like I said – I’m not doubting the kid, and he has seen some action as #1/#2, but not consistently. Welker is good, but he’s not a burner, nor is he a physical specimen. I’m just concerned he hasn’t proven himself against a tandem like the Steelers have with Wallace, Brown, and Sanders. Like I said – it was a very small disagreement. :)
So did LB James Harrison but it doesn't make it where you don't draft a certain player who's on your board.
I never did care for Jimmie Smith, but I think he will turn into a decent if not star player. The Dolts’ Weddle is the same. He struggled against good receivers in his first year and now teams fear his abilitiies. I don’t know what the answer is or who EFX will draft where and when, but it’s fun to speculate…
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Quinton Carter will be there IMO, it's just the non-offseason blues that has affected the rooks.
I loved Carter’s sack on Brady. It was kind of BDawkish like…It’s Rahim Moore the supposedly ball-hawk that has me concerned. He could of easily picked off Brady once on a glancing shot off the receiver…
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Moore is beginning to worry me as well. Its not his coverage ability that bothers me as much as his piss poor tackling. He looks like he is afraid of breaking a nail out there. Where is the BMF that got fined in pre-season?
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Dec 22, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
He's afraid...
thats why he sells out on his tackles. He launches his body at guys and if he doesn’t hit his mark, he is in no position to make up for it. I think it will be some time before we figure out what we have with Moore. I’m almost certain it won’t be Troy Polumalu.
Dawk is the only strong safety on our roster
Moore, Carter, and Bruton are all free safeties who we are trying to “tweener” into a SS role. It can’t work and a lot of teams in the NFL are finding that. There really aren’t many players with college safety experience who have the size to take on NFL RB/TE’s with confidence.
Personally I think we’ll have a better chance of “tweenering” if we go for the undersized college LB’s. A lot of them bulked up for LB just because that’s the position the school wanted them to play. To me turning a guy like Sean Spence – phenomenal football/playmaking instincts and undersized at 225 lbs – into a SS is more likely to succeed than turning a 200 lb safety into someone who will take on 250 lb NFL TE/RB’s at full speed contact.
I've been impressed with Carter
He was supposed to be the one that was going to struggle a lot. He had a bad game against the pats, but most of the year he’s been pretty solid. You kind of hit on this a little bit, but he does remind me of Dawkins. I’m really excited to see what he’ll be like with a full offseason.
by tiderfootball09 on Dec 22, 2011 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
Nice job Fabio
I wouldn’t mind having every player you mention on the roster next year except for #4. I’d rather see us keep Quin as the back up with a one year deal and spend the pick on other needs. Nice job and rec’d
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I’d prefer also to save a pick and resign Brady Quinn. But man, do you really think he would accept it? For me he is thinking about having a starting job elsewhere…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
I actually think it will be very difficult to sign or draft a QB. Tebowmania is like oxygen-sucking poison to any other QB on the roster. I can’t imagine that any QB would want to come here - except maybe an old veteran who knows they aren’t a full-year starter anymore. Like Donovan McNabb – except I bet he still thinks/wants to start.
Another great point
Who wants to come here and have no room to anything. All the other QBs will hear is TEBOW TEBOE TEBOW everywhere outside (and perhaps even inside) the locker room.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 7:09 PM MST up reply actions
He may want to start somewhere else but who is going to make him an offer?
I think that he is destined to be someone’s back up for his career, waiting and hoping for an injury to let him start. With the way that TT scrambles and the way that the “talking heads” keep saying that he’ll just get hurt, Brady Quin may be convinced that his best shot could be here.
I think he would take a one year deal just to get a pay day next year. I just don’t see another team that is looking for him as a starting option with all of the 2012 class of QB’s coming out. i’m probably wrong and it’s just a guess, but it would be nice for us if he did. Two more years as a back up would give us two more picks to spend in other areas.
I’d really like them to try and develop Weber to see what his potential is. From the little I’ve seen he seems to throw a nice ball.
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by metalman5050 on Dec 22, 2011 8:35 PM MST up reply actions
Max said above
Quinn would like to return to Denver. So let’s just resign him and we don’t need a QB anymore. I think resigning him is the move I’d like the most at the position.
I also like Weber and would like to keep him learning… the kid may have a bright future.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 9:33 PM MST up reply actions
It makes sense to me
Since both Weber and Quinn know the playbook and the players, so if Tebow goes down, we at least have two mobile QB’s who can run the system while Tebow is out. Add in both are cheap, I don’t see a downside.
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He's just saying that because he is a team player
He saw what happened to Orton when Orton “spoke his mind”. Quinn will not re-sign
Brady Quinn is a starter.
He was ruined by being thrown into the Browns job too soon — with a garbage defense, a first-year idiot coach who rotated QB’s (for no reason) more often than he showers, one WR (who’s known for dropsies anyway) who was basically on strike because he wanted to be traded, every other WR was a rookie – and they haven’t caught much since then, and they didn’t have much of an RB option.
Quinn has an excellent short passing game and can move the chains and has more upside than Kyle Orton. Assuming Peyton Manning is released – Manning, Orton, Matt Flynn (currently GB backup) and Quinn will be the top FA QB’s.
I think if we had bothered to play him in the last two years, then he might want to play here. But picking splinters out of his butt on the bench – and being reviled by a large portion of the fan base chanting TebowTebowTebow if he ever does play – is not, I imagine, his preferred career.
Just an update
Sounds like the Colts won’t be trading Manning, even if they add Luck, they seem to like the idea of having one of the best QB’s of all time teaching possibly the next generations great QB. It seems like Yahoo!, NFL Network and EPSN are all reporting this from Irsay.
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by Topher Doll on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
I think it's a great idea
I know Andrew Luck and his family. He would be perfectly OK with that and would see the benefit.
Peyton is really the one who has to think about it — because drafting Luck will shorten his playing career. I doubt Peyton Manning wants to become Brett Favre at the end of his career.
I totally agree
Set Colts up for future really well. The problem might be that St. Louis owns the worse tie-breaker over the Colts, currently they would get the #1 pick, and I seriously doubt they would draft Luck when they could trade down a get a fortune.
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by Topher Doll on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 PM MST up reply actions
He can come play for my team next year:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Dec 23, 2011 12:05 AM MST up reply actions
You don't need it... Cassel will be healthy again ;]
I still didn’t get why the Chiefs didn’t tried Stenzi …
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 7:33 AM MST up reply actions
It looks like they keep Orton over Cassel
I’m not sure whether I should be happy or sad. Week 17 is the deciding factor for me:P
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by CPT.Caveman on Dec 23, 2011 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
The week 17 could distract you from the reality, Cavey.
And how I was distracted when I saw Kyle’s start in Denver.
Talking honestly:
If you a need a game manager, Orton is the answer.
If you need a comeback leader who reacts well under pressure, try Stenzi or draft another QB…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
I really can't argue that.
I do however think next year with a healthy team and a few more additions thru the draft that Orton will have the best chance he’s ever had a succeeding. I would also like to see Stanzi get a chance this year, but I quess I can wait until next pre-season. I Don’t think theres a QB that’s good enough by the time we pick which should be around 18, so IMO Stanzi is the better option. If they Keep Orton and let Stanzi sit and learn another year he should be ready to go.
OH almost forgot…………..With our defense playing as well as they are we should be able to take care of business with Orton, whom after watching hit 10 different recievers and time in the pocket looks like a upgrade over Cassel. The difference is that Orton can get rid of the ball faster slowing down the pass rush and helping the o-line out. He wasn’t sacked once against the Packers.
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With that win last night the Colts may be pushing themselves out of Luck
Would add some real spice to the pre-draft if we’re wondering whether the Vikings or Rams would consider dumping Bradford or Ponder.
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by British Bronco on Dec 23, 2011 4:28 AM MST up reply actions
I saw it yesterday night too..
With the news that Barkley is returning to USC for his senior year.
Peyton can read defense as no other can. He will me an awesome menthor to Luck and I think the Colts are doing the greatest move keeping them both.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 7:32 AM MST up reply actions
I think it makes it more interetsing if the Rams get the pick
Because we get to debate who will trade up and how many picks it will cost.
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by Topher Doll on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 AM MST up reply actions
The Dolphins, maybe
They must be very bored with Barkley’s decision…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
I could see Dolphins maybe moving up
But since they have a decent record, it would cost a bundle. If the Colts wanted to move up, it would likely only be one or two spots, still expensive, but not nearly as much as it would cost the Dolphins. Then again, with the coaching changes in Miami, who knows what they will do.
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by Topher Doll on Dec 23, 2011 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
Matt Barkley
Is the front runner to be the 1st overall on the other draft… It’ll be interesting also to see how the teams without a great QB will handle this. Will they buy some time to Barkley? Will they move into the 2nd tier QBs this year (Tannehil, Foles…)?
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
It's going to be an interesting off-season
Especially since the 2011 QB class turned out much stronger than people predicted. Add in there is a small FA QB market, who really knows what will happen. Add in if coaches like Shanny keep their jobs, they need to start winning immediately in 2012, so he’ll reach for a QB in the draft or pick up the best FA QB he can find.
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I like the first three picks. I don’t know if Crick makes it to the 3rd and if he does I will be surprised if he makes it to where we pick in the 3rd. But at this point what I think and what will happen are worlds apart.
Anyways, I really like the Dennard pick in the 1st. He reminds me a little bit of Devin McCourtny from 2010 who the Pats landed in the 1st. He may end up getting snagged a little before we pick, but we’ll see. Another guy worth looking at for a possible 1st round pick is OT Mike Adams out of Ohio State. Drafting him and moving Franklin into Beadles spot at G could take the offense to another level. But Dennard would maybe be one of my first choices if he’s available.
James would be a great addition and I think some team is going to “reach” for him. He is really fast. When I watch him make a big play his legs look like dust clouds under him. My favorite thing about him is that he is tough as nails. He can really take a beating and keep going. A guy I also like for this spot would be maybe RB David Wilson. He is fast like James, hits the holes like a pro, and can make something out of nothing. Also in the 2nd DE Whitney Mercilus would be a steal if he fell that far. He likely won’t, but if he did I would be thrilled.
Crick would be great if he falls that far. But if he didn’t I would like RB Montee Ball or CB Cliff Harris. Either of those guys could be improvements at those positions.
In the 4th I would like WR Joe Adams or BPA (Prefer BPA for every pick). If we are going to draft a QB this year, I would like Case Keenum from Houston in the 5th or 6th. Good Mock!
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Dec 22, 2011 3:28 PM MST reply actions
I've seen Mercilus in the top 10 on one mock and out of the 1st rd on others...
The bad thing about mocking these prospects now is the unknowns like playing under the spotlight in Bowl games and Combine competition…Some of them they have a good idea with on game film, but then there is the tests that might give a clearer picture of what that guy would bring…
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I agree. For example, Von Miller had a 2nd round grade this time last year. After the senior bowl he was an immediate top 10 pick.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Dec 22, 2011 3:40 PM MST up reply actions
And the Combine could have changed this spot, but confirmed he as a top-5
You dudes are right…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
I'd love to land a 1st round RT and move Franklin to LG
But I don’t this is the moment to do it, since we have the 2nd youngest OL in the league and some holes to fill. I’m ok doing it in 2013 for sure!
I can see why you remind McCourty when looking at Dennard… they are indeed the same type of cornerback imo.
I was seeing some Wilson highlights above posted by Caveman, I liked what I saw.. I’d be ok with him too. Montee Ball would be an awesome add to our roster, love how the kid plays the position…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
I've been doing a little research (scary huh?) on OTs and I've found some that should be a round in the 5th-7th rds...
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Please, share it with us Bill...
I admit I didn’t research it for now by simple lazy as I know those late rounds will change a lot after the Bowls and the NFL Combine.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
IMO Dennard is not a 1st round talent
The only CB’s who are this year are Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick. They are the only guys whose upside is a #1 CB. It’s a very very weak CB class this year. It’ll be overdrafted because everyone in the NFL is looking for CB’s who can cover the bigger NFL WR’s — and colleges are still basically delivering a slew of nickelbacks who may or may not have the size or the coachability to ever be a #2 CB. Colleges call all sorts of CB’s “cover corners” — but the passing game in college is far more like high school than like the NFL.
Unfortunately, we really don’t need another nickelback. The 2013 draft could be a very good CB draft. But unless we are targetting a CB with all the “ideal” height/weight/speed/talent - and they happen to fall to roughly their talent level (like Minnifield in the 2nd); then the first round where we are likely to have an actual BPA type choice of CB’s is the 3rd round — and that assumes a few more juniors declare for the draft.
CB is our biggest need — but this years draft just doesn’t fit where we’re picking.The best chance of us improving the overall talent with a BPA type – at a position of need – is a DT in the 1st round. There’s a likelihood that both Devon Still and Brandon Thompson will be available when we pick — because everyone loaded up on DT’s last year.
I have you guys drafting B.Thompson in my mock.
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I like Thompson a lot.
If we can’t get Still, Thompson is just as good a pick.
IMO Still is the better option overall.
Better first-step for rushing the QB, and he’s solid against the run. Thomspon, IMO, struggles a little getting into the backfield, but he’s a solid prospect nonetheless. On par with Still with just about everything except pass-rushing. I like that Still has the versatility and can contribute more in various situations.
Still will be gone by the time you guys pick so it really doesn't matter.
B.Thompson 12/16/11: One of the standouts for Clemson this season has been Thompson. All year, he has been a load at the line of scrimmage causing disruption by knocking linemen into the backfield. Thompson is an excellent run stuffer and does the dirty work in eating up double teams. He has 45 tackles with 6.5 tackles for a loss, 2.5 sacks and a forced fumble.
Thompson impacts the game more than his numbers indicate, but he is not much of a pass rusher. On occasion, Thompson bull rushes into the pocket, but he is not a pass-rushing threat. Clemson would take Thompson out of the game in some pass-rushing situations. His strong play has improved his draft stock this season. Others rate him as a mid first-rounder.
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I think your right.
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Good question
I just looked at a mock and it has you guys taking Stills, and it has Thompson going before him.
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Thompson is a better run stopper
Still has more scheme versatility (43-DT or 34-DE) so will be in more demand
This is another valid and interesting path to choose next draft
I don’t intend to be right or wrong… so I like your reasoning yibberat.
If I had to pick a 1st round DT (also a very weak class this year) I’d choose Still over THompson. However I think Cavey is right, he is likely gone at our spot….
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Too many Huskers. Take more SEC and ACC guys. Fewer Big XII and Big X guys.
Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).
Ya but if we have to take a Husker, Dennard isn’t a bad choice.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Dec 22, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
Yeap McG
I noticed this when I was wondering to mock my draft here. I’m a Gator (nothing to do with Tebow) and I love the SEC players. Unfortunately this year, I don’t think we’ll get some…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
Nice work
Of course I would make some changes like switching Alfonzo Dennard to Jenoris Jenkins, LaMichael James to Montee Ball, Jared Crick to Kendall Reyes, and Russell Wilson to a right tackle like Tom Compton or Al Netter but I’d be more than happy with the guys you took.
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Thank you, EFJ
I don’t intend to be right or wrong, I’d be happy with your picks too.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
Yes Triz, it will be his 5th year with the Saints
But why wouldn’t the NO resign him? I guess they will…. If not, pull the trigger!
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:17 PM MST up reply actions
Just found this..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/963688-new-orleans-saints-top-5-free-agents-and-where-they-will-go#/articles/963688-new-orleans-saints-top-5-free-agents-and-where-they-will-go/page/6
Apparently they have enough corners between Greer and Robinson. Plus they need to resign Brees.
I would love to have T Porter.
I’d also really like the guard from there…. I’m sure he’s on that list but @ work and unable to see the slideshow.
How about Polk and James?
our running game is obviously going to be our offense so i dont see a problem trying to get a pounder and a speed guy
Scotty what happened to your mock post the other night?
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I didnt like it haha
Did a little more research on some prospects and probably posting one tonight or tomorrow
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 4:39 PM MST up reply actions
I couldn't figure out what happened, I tried to comment and it wouldn't let me...LOL
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I didn't even see it lol
Scott, are you serious on taking 2 early RBs!? wow! I would be impressed…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 5:22 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, really depends on FA though
the way i see it. We have McGahee(Old) and Moreno(fragile) we need a young guy who can pound the ball 20-25 times a game. McGahee can’t do it for another season. Also we’re going with Tebow at QB. He need’s a strong running game to be successful at this point in his career.
John Fox likes his running backs too. Wouldnt surprised if we go 2 running backs in the first 4 rounds. I’d LOVE if Trent Richardson fell but that’s highly unlikely. So Lamar Miller should be a guy EFX should target. If James falls into the 3rd round? Take Him. If not take a Montee Ball, Doug Martin, Isaiah Pead, Cyrus Gray in the 4th round
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 5:29 PM MST up reply actions
Great points...
I’ll save mines to your article =)
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 7:10 PM MST up reply actions
Have you seen this list yet?
http://nfltraderumors.co/2011022012-nfl-free-agents/
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I'm against spending big money on backs, which is what alot of these guys will be looking for
Ray Rice isnt going anywhere
Matt Forte will be tagged
outside of that, none of these guys are starters. Maybe add Peyton Hillis in a cheap contract?
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
I'm with you
I think Hillis or Grant would be the most likely adds, but it goes on the opposite way of “building the franchise through the draft” phylosophy of our front-office.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:05 PM MST up reply actions
Not really
i think they will add guys when necessary, just won’t throw money around, They’ll play it smart.
McGahee, Bunkley were all cheap FA’s. I expect them to do alot of that, but also go after a big name or two, just won’t spend over their limit like with DeAngelo Williams, Mebane and other big names
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 8:17 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, I think the same
Bizzle suggested Matt Forte above for example.
I’d love to have him on the roster, but he would be very expensive and it won’t happen for sure! He will return to Chicago. In the case of Grant, maybe he could come cheap. He had an injury season last year, and is not building great number right now.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:20 PM MST up reply actions
Grant would be pretty awesome.
The thing is, he’s YOUNG! If we can get young FAs, it’s very similar to building from a draft in the sense that you still have a young, impressionable, hard-working guy in the locker room. If this guy happens to have experience with a Superbowl team, well that’s just the icing!
There are several prospects to watch tonight in the Maaco Bowl, BoiseSt. vs ArizonaSt.
BoiseSt: Safety George Iioka, DE Billy “Goat” Winn, Chase “Tree Trunk” Baker due to the fact that he has tree trunks as legs. Shea McClellan, aka “Chicken Dinner”, cause he is a winner, winner. TE Kyle Efaw can punt and kick and is in on trick plays. RB Doug “The Freak” Martin and last but not least, QB Kellen Moore…
ArizonaSt: Cameron Marshall 5’11" 215lbs., WR Gerell Robinson 6’4" 222lbs, LBer Vontaze Burfict.
Any one of these players could go in the first 5 rds…
"What's better than 5 - 0?!?...[The whole locker room] 6 - 0"!!!
Head Coach John Fox in the locker room madness following a 13-10 victory over the Bears...
I'm anxious to see more of Doug Martin around combine time
I’m a huge fan of Kellen Moore. I’d love for us to add Moore in the backend of the draft if Denver goes for a more traditional back-up.
Burfict needs a big game to help his draft stock.
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
I really would like to watch this game
But today my internet is slow and ESPN in Brazil is showing the thrilling matchup beetwen the no-QB Colts vs the no-QB Texans.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 7:12 PM MST up reply actions
Good thoughts Fabio
Although I don’t think Dennard will be there when Denver is on the clock and I really don’t see any certain player in the bottom of the first round that is really great value . I would hope EFX trades down to pickup more picks in round two and three .There will be some great value at running back and defensive tackle at the top of round two . A corner I like is Trumaine Johnson out of Montana he has good size at 6’2’’ 204 lbs. and runs a 4.52 forty this guy will go in the third round .Ryan Broyles out of OU will be in round three because of his injury he would have been a mid to late first round pick if not for the injury and also great value in round three . Where the Broncos will be slotted in the first round I think trading down and acquiring more picks would be the best move instead of reaching in round one .
Thank you for the thoughts.
If Dennard is not there, we could go after Still/Thompson and maybe grab Minnfield on the 2nd. I really think Dennard will be there, but if not, we have good alternatives. Your sugestion of trading down in this case also makes a logt of sense since I agree there will not be much valuable players there without some few names on the board.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:10 PM MST up reply actions
Nice mock, Fabio
I like the positions you chose with the exception of QB in the 4th. I like the idea of taking a RB in the 2nd round, but not james. He can’t be an every down back, IMO, and we don’t have one on the roster that can be counted on for 2012. Moreno is more of a third down back, McGahee is getting older and injures are happening more and more. So again, we need a guy that we can plan on and count on to carry the load each time McGahee gets injured. James couldn’t even do that at the college level when he faced tough defenses, so I don’t see him doing it in the league.
Teams that want to bend it like Brady better be ready to get broken like Cassel. We hurt quarterbacks and we take picks to he house. It's what we do.
I'd love James in the 3rd or 4th round
probably a better fit with a team with a established running back.
by Scotty Payne on Dec 22, 2011 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Good points here...
Scotty, I doubt James will make the late 3rd….
And Rod, you are right about it. But (a) what would you think about Montee Ball? I love the kid, but 2nd it’s too early and he won’t slide to the late 3rd and (b) why not targeting Ryan Grant to be our #1 with McGahee and keep 5 RBs? I’d like to see these moves.
Our depth chart would be: McGahee / Grant, Moreno / James, Ball (Jeremiah to PS)
It could buy us some time to see Ball and/or Jeremiah developing to see what they can or can’t do for our offense.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 8:13 PM MST up reply actions
Ryn Grant would probably work
But after adding both Grant and James in your scenario, we still wouldn’t have our RB of the future. Both Grant and McGahee are too old for any long term plans, Moreno is unreliable and not very effective between the tackles 20 times per game, and James is too small to hold up to any substantial work load.
So yeah, that lineup would probably work in a pinch. But it would have us spending a 2nd round pick and a FA signing without ever having really having planned for the future.
Teams that want to bend it like Brady better be ready to get broken like Cassel. We hurt quarterbacks and we take picks to he house. It's what we do.
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Teams that want to bend it like Brady better be ready to get broken like Cassel. We hurt quarterbacks and we take picks to he house. It's what we do.
He's already turned to 29...
So he won’t be 30 until the end of the next regular season. The problem is that he might provide us the same issues of McGahee: injuries because of the age. He would just buy us some time, about 2 or 3 years I guess…
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
That's not always a bad thing.
I wouldn’t mind seeing a McGahee/Grant backfield… :)
I agree...
However I can’t see any possible RB drafted (not-named Trent Richardson) to be our RB of the future. In my scenario, at least we would have 2 hopes…. 1 hope that James have a good durability and be our own version of Sproles, and another hope of Knowshon remaining healthy (this is the more unlikely one).
I think are commited to another early (2nd or 3rd) RB pick in 2014 at least anyway….
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Way to go Fabio!
It rhymes hehe, and rec’d! I’m not as big a college football watcher, but with my limited knowledge, I like the picks——maybe not James that high but the guy is fast!
Thank you, Mike
And may I suggest you to look at NCAA? Man, it’s a hard time finding live streaming to the games in Brazil. Fortunately, ESPN here broadcasts a few games, but it’s still too little. I watch all I can, and I just love the atmosphere of the college games. I know you like football so I recommend you to take a look sometimes at these games =)
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 22, 2011 9:35 PM MST up reply actions
A little early for James
but I wouldn’t complain. I’d hope Polk would still be available there. The rest of this is solid
C'mon, join us, there's plenty of koolaid on the Broncos bandwagon for everyone!
Thank you for the add, DBroncs
I know you are a draftnic, so it’s always nice to share opinions…
Btw, we are picking late next year, so don’t you think James will be gone in the late 3rd? That’s why I’d grab him in the late 2nd. Polk is another good option at RB.
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 23, 2011 7:35 AM MST up reply actions
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