Coaches Corner: Opinions are like...well, you know the rest!

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 6:53 AM MST

OK,

Listen up everyone. This will be short and sweet, but to say I am pissed off by our "supposed" fan base and some idiotic concepts that some of these geniuses are putting out there would be understatement.

If Tebow cant beat Orton he wont be our Franchise QB: Listen up you MSM stooges. You do understand a couple of things here, right? Tebow has not even played a whole season, Orton is a 7 year vet, its DENVER vs KANSAS CITY and apparently its a team game. Tebow is still 7-3 as a starter.
Tim Tebow cant pass so he will never be any good: This is one of my favorites, and one I see here and all over the MSM. Make predictions from a vacuum much? Couple of things with this that completely stand in the face of common sense and logic. One, these assumptions are based that Tebow is as good as he will ever be. Two, they totally discount anything he did in college, while at the same time, other QB prospects are lauded for what they have done in college (go figure). It was interesting, a friend of mine new to football watching Drew Brees last night says "Tebow will never be that." Yep, you are right, Tebow is a better athlete for a start! But I explained it this way: All the experts say Tebow needs to learn to throw better. Agreed. And its totally coachable. But do you ever hear experts say "Brees/ Brady/ Manning need to learn to run better." Of course not. Yet, Tebow CAN run. So, if I am looking at upside, I have a QB who runs great and is already winning games with massive upside. What am I missing.
Changing the playing field: Hating vs Real Criticism: Has anyone else noticed how critics and "experts" love changing the playing field with regards to Tebow. First, he wont win in NFL? Check that off. He wont maintain winning? he is 7-3 this season. His team mates wont play for him in this style of offense? Mmm....OK. Whats even more insane is that people compare Tebow to HOF guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers. They hold him to unreasonable standards that they dont hold other QB's with. Hell, even comparing him to Orton and Cassell based on all the critics original assessments is unfair (remember 2-3 year project!). I would suggest EVERYONE assess TT for where he is in his career. He is not thru his first season for goodness sake, and he has a winning record and is progressing. if this was anyone else with out the name Tim Tebow there would be NO questions from the fan base or team....they would be pumped. Tebow has to improve, just like every other young player...just like Von Miller, Eric Decker, Demaryius Thomas. Thats fair and reasonable, but some of the expectations put on this kid by fans and MSM alike are ridiculous.
Does everyone understand we have 2 chances to make the play offs?: Just want to make sure that everyone understands that we have 2 chances to make play offs. We win, or Oakland loses. The way half you cats are carrying on you would think we had a 4-12 season....you do remember that 4-12 season, right?
This is a TEAM sport: While many want to drop the last 2 weeks all at the feet of Tim Tebow , here are some things to think about. In the 10 games that Tebow has started, the WR corps has dropped over 30 passes...closer to 40. Von Miller has been injured, as has Dawkins (and by the way, go watch some highlights.....Von was HORRENDOUS last weekend...did not record 1 stat, and badly missed on Spiller and over pursued everywhere!). Bad turnovers by the O and Special teams (Is Quan Cosby still on the team?), many big plays given up, bad tackling, silly penalties, did I mention drops (just making sure you are paying attention!). This TEAM has screwed the pooch...not one player, or a couple of players...this TEAM. The same way the BRONCOS won games is the same way we have LOST games....as a team effort.
The world aint black and white!: Some of the comments on here, in the MSM and on blogs are so black and white. Here are some of the common ones we have all seen here. Critical of Kyle Orton, you are a Tebow lover. Critcal of Tebow? You are a hater, Supporton or not a good fan of the team. Critical of coaching? You a smart ass that thinks you know more than the coach. Critical of Elway? You are not a fan. Guys, we live in a world of grey. Here are some things that will happen: Our team will play well, our team will screw the pooch, Tebow will play great, average and poorly. Von will have some multi sack days, and then go missing in action. Good players will get injured, some UDFA's will shine and become starters, some 1st round draft picks will suck. World of grey fellas.....we live in shades of grey, not black and white, so I hazard ALL of us (especially me) to not make over the top statements of fact based on one random minute in time. It is akin to pausing a movie and basing your whole opinion of that movie on that one snap shot. Silly, and you might miss some surprises in the future.
We have a chance for the play offs: Dudes and dudettes. Now is not the time for stupid carte blanche statements, fanciful opinions or to put the boot into certain players just so you can tell everyone how right you were. We have a chance....a REAL TANGIBLE chance to go to the play offs, and once there, its a new game. We need to come together and support our team. Thats how simple it is. Thats what real fans do!

Thanks for reading. GO BRONCOS!

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I'll give you one thing, Boydy.

You are faithful to your guy.
I think the 11 game tryout has gone well enough that he gets another shot next year. But the jury is way, way out on whether this is ever actually gonna work long term.

I can see Russia from my house.

by Alaskan on Dec 27, 2011 7:01 AM MST reply actions

Agreed mate.....thats the point.....and its not just with regards to Tebow:

SO many said DT had lost it. Well, playing pretty well now! A lot of TT in article because this is where a lot of the “ridiculous” is coming from.
Von Miller played HORRENDOUS on the weekend, yet it was all because of his hand? Thats just not true.
All I am saying is call a spade a spade and instead of the vitriol we are seeing. We sucked, we got beat…lets move on and make the play offs instead of harping on shit.
Tebow knows he sucked, Decker knows he sucked, our ST know they sucked….(I really hoped McCoy knows he sucked but that worries me …j/k). Von knows he sucked too.
Lets just support our team and keep trucking forward!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 7:10 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs

Bingo!!!

Well said and rec’d

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Dec 27, 2011 7:25 AM MST up reply actions

i just rec'd your post and it looks like I flagged it instead...if that's the case..my apologies

Better to be quiet and thought of as ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt

by broncofaninIL on Dec 27, 2011 7:26 AM MST up reply actions

Yes, it's the only team we've got right now.

I can see Russia from my house.

by Alaskan on Dec 27, 2011 7:26 AM MST up reply actions

Weell said and well written...and we've got a chip and a chair as they say in poker sp we are not out of it yet and have a very exciting weekend ahead of us....hopefully they will unleash the Tebow, and run the zone read a lot and throw on first down.

The wise man knows that he doesn't know everything, not even close...

by Soonerbronco on Dec 27, 2011 7:56 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs

Not unlike politics/religion, people on the extremes need to stay a little more even keeled.

It’s a good point about DT. I was one that thought “oh man, this guy is going to turn out to be such a bust” through his first few games this year. BUT, I kept it to myself because that’s a STUPID thing to say when a guy is new, has been injured, and is trying to fight back.

Now I’m thinking DT is going to be a superstar, but I’m not out writing that either….well, I guess I just did but just to prove a point. :)

With the internet/blogs/twitter, and with the MSM trying to sell advertising space, people hide behind a screen name or simply throw out the “controversial statement of the day” and vomit out whatever comes to mind.

That being said I usually just laugh and try not to let it bother me.

Enjoyed your write up as always Boydy.

by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Dec 27, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions

Thanks buddy. Enjoyed your post too man!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 6:40 PM MST up reply actions

Rec'd brother!!!

Tell em Boydy….. tell em!!!

"If you went to the Fair with this guy and you played that game where you have to throw the ball through the hole..... he may never get it through the hole, but he's still gonna be walking away with all the stuffed animals!" Prime's commentary on our very own Tim Tebow!!!

"As iron sharpens iron, so will one man sharpen another." The Bible, by way of Tim Tebow.

"If I had to choose between an abundance of football intelligence, or football wisdom, I'd choose wisdom every single time...... John Fox has enough football wisdom to be carried in a dump truck." Me!

by PaleHorse78 on Dec 27, 2011 9:28 AM MST reply actions

That was a beautiful post

Rec’d!! I want this team to go to the playoffs so badly!

"When you put on that jersey, the name on the front is more important than the name on the back." - "Miracle".

"Winning means you're willing to go longer, work harder, and give more than anyone else." - Vince Lombardi.

by broncoholic on Dec 27, 2011 10:22 AM MST reply actions

Nice work boyd!

Well said and rec’d.

I agree, jerking the knee becomes way too obvious in situations like these. Sure, Timmy picked possibly the worst game he could have to have… well, his worst game as a pro. But, as you mentioned, it’s not all on him. Poor decisions trickled from the top down, and we just were’t able to adjust.

Our 2nd quarter follies are primarily due to our coaching staff making a push to run clock, but this week and last, that plan failed miserably. I have no problem with us being a ball-control, time-clock-chewing offense, but if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. Change it. That’s what coaches are there for – to feel out the game and make adjustments where needed.

To all the people who don’t think the turnovers made a difference – sure, they came after we scored all of our points, but come on. Don’t tell me a young quarterback, a young O-line, and young receivers don’t feel the impact of two pick-sixes. It’s painful. They may not be the reason we lost the game, but the turnovers sure as sh!t cost us the opportunity to get back into it.

Anyway, /tangent/rant – nicely said, and I can’t wait for next Sunday, in more ways than one!

by H-bizzle on Dec 27, 2011 10:32 AM MST reply actions

I dunno about this

Sure, Timmy picked possibly the worst game he could have to have… well, his worst game as a pro.

I am pretty sure it worked out about the same either way. Regardless of Buffalo, to ensure we got in, we needed a win vs KC.

This week is arguably the biggest game in Tim’s young career, so far. The Raider game (which really set the stage for this run) was probably the second biggest and Miami after that. I am pretty sure the previous Chiefs game was bigger than this Buffalo too. All in all, if we had to pick a game where Tim could play poorly, NE and Buffalo are the two that hurt least.

by Da Bum on Dec 27, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions

Good point.

I’m just seeing it from the perspective that this really could’ve and should’ve been a W for us. I guess it doesn’t really make a huge difference in the big picture; had the Raiders lost, I think the weight of this game would have increased significantly.

by H-bizzle on Dec 27, 2011 1:27 PM MST up reply actions

Very well written...

The Broncos today are better than last year and they WILL be better next year!

by Broncos Fan since 66 on Dec 27, 2011 10:53 AM MST reply actions

+1

by idahobronc on Dec 27, 2011 6:23 PM MST up reply actions

AMEN-Brother...I knew I liked you!

by MileHighPride on Dec 27, 2011 11:08 AM MST reply actions

Well said Boydy..agreed on all points and rec'd!

This team is still trying to find itself, not just Tim. And when you consider the age of the average player on this team and the amount of time the’ve played together it’s amazing that they’re even talking about the playoffs much less one game away.

Good points as well on the improvement curve. How good was Drew Brees in years 1 through 3? So good that the Chargers shipped him to the Saints. Can Tim be as good as Brees or Brady or even (blasphemy) Elway ? Hell yes he can.. will he? I have no clue, but he is a superior athlete with an undeniable work ethic.He has the capability to go places that none of the above mentioned QBs were capable of.

This team has given all Bronco fans much to be proud of and optimistic for regardless of the outcome this weekend.

"I wouldn't call it Tebow Time I'd call it Bronco Time"- Tim Tebow

by asinsoin on Dec 27, 2011 12:54 PM MST reply actions

The Broncos Belief in Tebow was there own worst Enemy

Excellent rant – Rec’d Highly… By the horrible ST play it was obvious that the young players just showed up – wrongly believing that Timmy would save them again. WRONG the games TT “saved” them was because all players played at a high level which allowed the opportunity for Tebow to play well also and orchestrate a TEAM Victory. You can not just show up to play a bad team such as Buffalo, because the bad team will make plays, develop confidence – make more plays and win the game.
The Broncos as a team came out soft against the Bills and only got worse as the game wore on, with players trying to turn it up a notch in the second half.

But WINNING EFFORT is not a part time thing it is a FULL TIME PLAYING STYLE.

Strategy for Victory against theChiefs – On Defense – just do to Orton and the Chiefs what the teams did to the Broncos in the first five games which lead to a 1-4 record. Offensively, hurry up shot-gun playbook from the start. You do not need to worry about time of possession if you outscore the opponent. Just ask Aaron Rodgers and his 5 TD performance in the first half against Chicago. Beat the other team badly over and over again and a losing team will QUIT~ GO BRONCOS

TIME TO BELIEVE. BRONCO Champions are being forged as we speak

by Broncobh on Dec 27, 2011 3:21 PM MST reply actions

People are entitled to have and express dumb opinions Boydy. And other people (like you and I) are entitled to tell those morons that their opinions are stupid, not based in logic, facts or common sense.

It’s a fun game.

Tim Tebow is Denver's 2012 starting QB. I'm not even kind of sorry that offends some of you (including you Elway).

by McGeorge on Dec 27, 2011 3:29 PM MST reply actions 2 recs

I enjoy sitting back and seeing you destroy those morons.

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by Nick Cast on Dec 27, 2011 6:55 PM MST up reply actions

Yep....agreed.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 7:02 PM MST up reply actions

Thanks McG....just sick of this knee jerk, fairy land bull shit that has become prevalent after this loss....people need to get their hands off it!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 7:03 PM MST up reply actions

big plays

I’m looking forward to doing the big play analysis… I’m wondering if we’ll find out that Tebow didn’t play as badly (WPA-wise) as we thought. I mean, most of his bad plays were when the game outcome was not really in doubt. In those cases, going for high-risk, high-reward plays is the rational thing to do.

It’s that sequence at the end of the half that really changed the game. Bad play-call on 3rd-and-1. Bad coaching decision to punt. Punt return for TD. Bad referee call on ensuing kickoff that kept us from a TD, and gave us really tough field position. Three-and-out, and then another Buffalo TD inside of two minutes. I mean, there just isn’t much in that sequence that had to do with Tebow aside from the pinned-against-end-zone three-and-out, but it dictated a lot of the game.

by tunesmith on Dec 27, 2011 3:41 PM MST reply actions

Spot On!

Time to smell the roses, take a deep breath and realize the facts. New C Staff, no OTA’s, and lots of rookies. Nuff said.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on aimlessly and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Dec 27, 2011 3:53 PM MST reply actions

Great stuff boydy and rec'd

I posted a very similar rant today as well. The knee jerk reactions are getting to be unbearable. Win and we’re in, that is all that matters!

"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe

by CH74 on Dec 27, 2011 3:57 PM MST reply actions

I second that emotion...

Sometimes I love to read some of the crap. It gives me something to laugh about, like the Kiszla article today on how Tebow / Elway will be on trial if Orton beats us Sunday? Like he’s smart enough to “SMELL” the desperation…What an idiot!

It smelled like desperation at Dove Valley on Monday afternoon, so I figured it was a good time to ask Denver coach John Fox:

Is Fox confident the better quarterback will be on his side against the Chiefs?

Read more: Kiszla: Orton victory Sunday will put Tebow, Elway on trial – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19623530#ixzz1hnGvfaOH
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by bfree2bronc on Dec 27, 2011 7:50 PM MST reply actions

Bill, I know you know this, but Kiszla is a hack, and a dumb one at that...even if Tebow loses he will be 8-6 as broncos starter and 7-4 this season...seems better than 12-21 to me!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 27, 2011 8:07 PM MST up reply actions

req'd boydy. Good stuff..Agree and thanks!

The Raiders could lose but it won’t matter..
Orton is going to play just as he always did in Mile High stadium. Like crap.. ;>)

I'm so optimistic I'd go after Moby Dick in a row boat and take the tartar sauce with me.~Zig Ziglar

by timmaybronco on Dec 27, 2011 10:15 PM MST reply actions

amen to that...

Couldn’t be stated better… well done pal!

GB2!!!

In a world where only the strong survives... we just double our strength.

by BroncoinCA on Dec 28, 2011 12:34 AM MST reply actions

Excellent read and spot on Boydy!

As always!
GO BRONCOS!

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Bring back the Orange Crush!
RANDY GRADISHAR in the HOF!!!!

by WyoBronco on Dec 28, 2011 1:59 AM MST reply actions

Thanks guys. Glad you enjoyed it.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 28, 2011 6:11 AM MST up reply actions

Over time, you realize who these people are.....and just skip by their posts.

Not even worth the time for some of them.

Others get heated and say knee-jerk things in gameday threads (myself included). I usually give the benefit of the doubt on those threads, however I usually stick by what I wrote.

I pick and choose the writers who’s articles I’ll read based on their history of being fair…..that doesn’t lead to a lot of reading for me LOL

My one regret is that we didn’t start the year with TT, but there’s no sense looking back when the future is looking much better…..

Thanks for the post!

W-L record doesn't matter to me.... I just want to see a team on the rise at the end of the year!

by Broncotodd on Dec 28, 2011 7:31 AM MST reply actions

Glad you enjoyed it mate. Yep, I wonder where we are now if Tebow started the year too my friend!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 28, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions

Decker just doesn't staCkm up to Rice

So I think we should cut him. To the scrap heap I say, and we might as well send McGehee with him, he’ll never be Jim Brown!

Very good post, as you might be able to tell, I particularly liked point #3. The comparisons are unfair.

by canuckbronco on Dec 29, 2011 7:22 AM MST reply actions

Great post and deservedly Rec'd

He who laughs last…

I think this phrase has never been so fitting as it is in relation to our Broncos and this years season (which I might add, is not over yet!) I am a true believer in this team and the prospect of what they are becoming. Everyone likes to see their team win, but the road to Division Titles and (dare I say it) Superbowl appearences and wins, is always going to be difficult. This team is now on that road and regardless of what the critics and the likes are saying, this young squad has loads of potential. I read all of the critisism too. Some of it aggrevates me but, like most of you, I am just watiing on my time to laugh the loudest…And it is coming brother, it is coming.

GO BRONCOS!!!!

by DBconvert on Dec 29, 2011 8:53 AM MST reply actions

Couldn't have said it better myself!!

People hate him for his media sensationalization (something that he ultimately can’t even control), people hate him just because he’s not on their team (same reason why many people can’t stand Tom Brady), and some people hate him because he is outspoken with his faith (really a superficial reason to hate someone who is so genuine). On the other side of the coin some people just can’t get enough of him for these exact reasons. The thing that makes Tebow such a polarizing figure is that these opinions of him are purely subjective, which is why it is so nice to hear such an objective take from Boydy. I wish more people could share his perspective.

Playoffs.... No Jim Mora, I'm not kidding you...

by manbearpig5000000 on Dec 30, 2011 12:30 PM MST reply actions

Thanks MBP...really appreciate the kudos.

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 30, 2011 4:08 PM MST up reply actions

boydy....even I need an uplift now and then.....thanks!!!

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by Mike Clark on Dec 30, 2011 4:10 PM MST reply actions

My pleasure Mike!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Dec 30, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions

Rec'd written and spoken like a man who actually understands the ups and downs of athletic performance.

I always love your stuff boydy. I don’t post or comment much any more in fear of getting kicked off the site for the 3rd time. Be smart and keep your criticisms general as you did, I made the mistake of attacking the MHR staff’s opinions directly and in retrospect should have kept my comments less personal.

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by gobroncos3 on Jan 1, 2012 6:37 AM MST reply actions

Thanks buddy. Enjoy New years day!

Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!

Champ Bailey.

by boydy2669 on Jan 1, 2012 7:06 AM MST up reply actions

Agree With Your Points

I have very little arguement with the points made here, but I heard the Announcers mention that Teabow threw what they estimated to be nearly 200 passes in warmups. As a distance swimmer I understand muscle fatique. He did himself no favors by starting the game with that many reps. Warmups should simply be that and not to the actual work stage of the muscle. You may disagree that he is a professional athlete but the human body does have limits.

by Atwater77 on Jan 2, 2012 1:00 AM MST reply actions