Ok, I give up.

by dcrespo7 on Dec 5, 2011 10:10 AM MST

Seven games in (10 total) and I saw something in Tebow. His footwork was much improved. His throws were slightly crispier. I even saw him call out protection on that all out blitz where his wobbler hit Thomas' hands.

You see, I'm not big on Tebow. I saw a QB who was still playing the position as 80% of high school athletes are when they're learning the position. I'll throw a number out there and say 10% of colleges run an option heavy offense where the athleticism of the position because the X factor.

Its only in JV, some college programs and NFL practice squads where a player such as Tebow will be given an opportunity to learn and grow. Except this is the NFL. I realize that we may never see this type of scenario play out again and will explain why.

Everyone's job is tied to winning. Tebow seems to have that covered. However, its about building a team around a scheme. Well, 10 for 15 is a step in the right direction from an individual stand point and salute both the players and coaches for putting in the work honing in those skills and timing that's involved in the process. But how does Denver move forward?

I saw some good things. In fact, I was excited about the prospect of having Luck, Barkley or even Griffin III available come draft day. Its amazing how the team rallied around the concepts that rival NFL norm. Wouldn't it be great if we could go the distance and win it all? Then what?

Yesterday, this guy saw what everyone was clamoring about and I don't know if there are more like myself but crow sure sucks when you're that guy everyone points to and says "we told you so"!

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Welcome to the light side.

Don’t worry, it’s a nourishing meal. You’ll feel much better soon. Catch some rays, have a refreshing beverage and go with the flow.

When James Tiberius Kirk said, "I don't believe in a no win scenario," he was quoting Tim Tebow.
Sway along with the rhythm! Sing along with the rhyme! Give a shout Bronco Country, it's Tebow time ... GOOOOOOO BROOOOOOONCOOOOOOOS!!!!!!! Beat the Bears!

by NativeFan4Life on Dec 5, 2011 10:28 AM MST reply actions

lol

"We've clawed our way back in this thing," safety Brian Dawkins said."We're going to go out and give it everything we got."

by csason on Dec 5, 2011 11:15 AM MST up reply actions

Way to man up !!

Lot’s of room here and it’s way more fun!!!

" I'm blessed to be part of a team with very unselfish players who don't care about statistics, they just care about winning" - Tebow owning Michael Irvin when Irvin asked him "what do you say to your receivers after you throw a ball in the dirt and miss them".

by asinsoin on Dec 5, 2011 10:29 AM MST reply actions

So right dcrespo7.. I also was waiting for the throwing improvement.

Much much much better. Still should have taken this game easily. Love to see the next step where he can adjust at the line from run to pass is the defense so dictates.
All the pieces are working nicely, zone blocking, McGahee is reborn.
Lets keep the division lead now.

by DLMyers on Dec 5, 2011 10:36 AM MST reply actions

LOL..You're just so close to saying it DL... but not quite there yet.

It’s Ok man, I guess “much,much,much better” is a big step in the right direction.
But no “Way to man up” for you…yet.

by asinsoin on Dec 5, 2011 11:42 AM MST up reply actions

if we're building a college offense for the future

then, yeah, i’d say no thanks. but since his starts last year i’ve seen tebow as a better passer than a lot of experts have. i honestly don’t think a lot of them ever did homework on tebow. the broncos installed a tebow offense with the intention of using it to make tebow comfortable while he tries to learn NFL ways. we could really be getting a double payback here: tebow learns to be a better passer and make quicker decisions AND we’ll still be able to keep option elements that keep defenses jacked up at all times. makes me giddy.

"It’s embarrassing to think the Broncos could win with Tebow." — Merril

by oxmouth on Dec 5, 2011 10:41 AM MST reply actions 2 recs

This is what I really admire about the coaching job done by Fox and company.

It’s becoming apparent that the read option was a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. If T2 continues to progress in the NFL passing game, and I think he will, we’re going to be able to give opposing defenses fits!

"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey

by db8632 on Dec 5, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions

Yup

After yesterday the upcoming defense cannot say “stop the run and we can win”. Now they have to plan for everything. Wherever they concentrate, the Broncos have shown the ability to take advantage of it, once we have figured out what they are trying to do.

Barring major injury to the facilitator this should bode very well for the future.

by frankencrank on Dec 5, 2011 1:53 PM MST up reply actions

Say it with me

“I’m a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess.”

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by KaptainKirk on Dec 5, 2011 10:44 AM MST reply actions

What the heck is wrong with you KK? :)

We need the counter pointers on this board. I can’t even imagine how dull thngs are going to get if we’re all agreeing on Timmy. And the last thing our wives neeed to hear is that we’re capable of change…it would be disastrous!

by asinsoin on Dec 5, 2011 11:46 AM MST up reply actions

I will still maintain counterpoints

I believe I have been fair most of the time (when I keep my cool). Fair is fair, Tebow had a terrific game. I think there was maybe one bad pass at the very most and it was easily his best passing performance. The rest of my comments can wait for the Game Balls post. :)

by KaptainKirk on Dec 5, 2011 12:24 PM MST up reply actions

Don't worry. There will never be a world where there aren't at least a few Tebow haters.

Never.

Respect is not given it is earned dog gonit...and they don't respect us...nobody respects us... you know what you got to do in that situation? TAKE IT!!!!!
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by Troy Hufford on Dec 5, 2011 12:36 PM MST up reply actions

All we need is for Tim to come out and "assign blame" on Tebow every game when they start slow

Man did people wig out on that in the game threads yesterday

Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush

by boanst on Dec 5, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions

Look for a guy with a brown paper bag over his head. :P

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by Tim Lynch on Dec 5, 2011 12:59 PM MST up reply actions

"We're in this together and we're pullin' for you"

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by FatbackBob on Dec 5, 2011 1:57 PM MST up reply actions

Me too Bob

by KaptainKirk on Dec 5, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions

He has also kept his eyes downfield

along with the stuff you mentioned in your post, he is coming together.

by Lolly Tran on Dec 5, 2011 11:11 AM MST reply actions

Another improvement...

…is that the O kicked in BEFORE the final 1/4. Perhaps we will get 3/4’s of football from the O this next game and 4/4’s the next! Here’s hoping that it just keeps getting better.

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by metalman5050 on Dec 5, 2011 11:17 AM MST reply actions

I think the team is coming together..

and Tim just happens to be the new young rough around the edges QB that didn’t get any practice with the 1st team earlier..

There was plenty of crow being eaten along the way by fans and detractors..
What we need is some hot deep receivers to mix it up and help Decker and DT out.

"We've clawed our way back in this thing," safety Brian Dawkins said."We're going to go out and give it everything we got."

by csason on Dec 5, 2011 11:18 AM MST reply actions

The good thing is this --

Once you’ve eaten the crow, IT’S OVER!!

Now drink the Kool-Aid to wash the taste out and start enjoying the ride.

I just want to see the Broncos score LOTS of points, beat the SNOT out of the opponent, and walk away with a humble "God Bless". How about you?

by 83BroncoFan on Dec 5, 2011 11:23 AM MST reply actions

little-known secret

Crow actually tastes good, it just LOOKS unappetizing.

by tunesmith on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 AM MST reply actions

Did you see a lot of option plays yesterday?

We were in a “pro” style offense for most of the game. If Demarius Thomas would have caught that last TD pass he dropped at the end of the game then Tebow would have THROWN 3 TD’s. NO INTERCEPTIONS!!! What else do you want in a QB?

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by ElwayFanJ on Dec 5, 2011 11:56 AM MST reply actions

was there any at all?

I know earlier in the game they showed that look a few times, but it didn’t seem to actually be the call.

Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush

by boanst on Dec 5, 2011 12:41 PM MST up reply actions

The 2-point conversion was

and I do think they ran it on two other occasions IIR.

by KaptainKirk on Dec 5, 2011 3:51 PM MST up reply actions

Watching the Lions/Saints game last night I couldn't help but notice Drew Brees passing delivery...

He holds the ball tight and compact and there is very little down or upward motion before the delivery. Very fast and crisp. Tebow on the other hand reverted to his dropping his throwing hand down and winding up to throw. I believe in time this will hurt us and he really needs to work on it in the offseason, because some the faster DEs/OLBers in the league will be causing him to fumble…

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by bfree2bronc on Dec 5, 2011 2:26 PM MST reply actions

Stop that bfree!

Yes, there’s a difference between Drew and Tim’s delivery, as there is between Drew and Aaron and Tom and Eli’s. Tim’s delivery will continue to improve as he becomes more and more comfortable with what he sees and confidence in his receivers improves. It’s like Joe Montana said this summer. “The worst thing you can do is mess with a QB’s throwing motion let Tim be Tim” . Look at it this way; It’s entirely probable that what you would gain by changing his motion in time you would more than lose in accuracy. IMO, the biggest reason he started so slow this summer was because he was spending way too much time and energy on trying to change his mechanics to be textbook.

Mike Klis - "Tim would you say this game (Minnesota) was your best game as a passer?"
Tim - "I don't know about that, but I do know the offensive line and receivers played great and made me look a lot better than I really am"

by asinsoin on Dec 5, 2011 2:39 PM MST up reply actions

Billick said the same thing on the air during the game

They showed a college clip and one from the game yesterday, there wasn’t much difference in the arm, at least not as much as all the hoopla would have made me believe. Billick said theres not much chance that will change much, so the footwork is where he would have the opportunity to improve, as in setting up faster to make up for his slower delivery. I know most don’t like Billick for whatever reason, but that makes a bit of sense to me. The windup doesn’t appear to have hurt him too much so far, but it is logical to assume that a longer delivery could lead to disrupted passes that may otherwise would be released on time by other QB’s. As far as this summer goes, I don’t think I buy that it was due to the work put in to change the delivery. I thought he did that the summer before (the summer he was drafted), and until the game yesterday I thought he was actually throwing the ball better last year.

Drinkin the kool-aid, smokin the Orange Kush

by boanst on Dec 5, 2011 8:20 PM MST up reply actions

I’m not going to compare Tebow to anyone because there is no one other than maybe Young. Its more the subtle intangibles that I’ve been impressed with. Maybe it was the type of defense but for starters, Tebow did keep his eyes down field to make passes and not the other way around.

As a Bronco fan, and a fan of football, to see those small changes from delivery, foot placement and on field recognition, I have to say that he’s not as limited as I have been alluding to.

Now I will say that the coaches that worked with Tebow before really didn’t prepare him for the NFL game and that’s the way it its sometimes. I will not rip our front office or our coaching staff regardless how the season finishes because we’re experiencing something unprecedented where an athlete is given a true opportunity to learn on the job.

Kordell Stewart and DJ Shockely have to be livid for sure!

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by dcrespo7 on Dec 5, 2011 2:41 PM MST reply actions

All young players are given the chance to learn on the job

It’s called getting game experience and every player goes through learning pains as they adjust to the faster speed at the NFL level. Tebow isn’t the first young player to get thrown into the fire to learn through experience, and he won’t be the last.

I also don’t think that the coaches who worked with Tebow failed to prepare him for the NFL. They were involved in completely reworking his throwing motion, and right now he’s a second year quarterback leading a 1-4 team to a 6-1 record. Also, I believe he’s the top rated passer among second year or younger players this season (I could be wrong, but if I am he’s right near the top). I would say that he’s been pretty well prepared to play in the NFL.

I think people for some odd reason expected Tebow to come out of the gate and play like a veteran quarterback right away, and the fact that he’s had to go through a learning process just like every other young player created a lot of undeserved criticism. As it is, he has started to play like a veteran quarterback faster than probably anyone would have guessed.

Here’s hoping the Broncos give Tebow the time and support needed for him to develop into the player that he has the potential to be, and that Elway isn’t so much in love with one of the current QB prospects that he does something crazy in order to get one of them.

by DanReynolds on Dec 5, 2011 10:17 PM MST up reply actions