Tim Tebow: Beauty, And Progress, Are In The Eye Of The Beholder
by John Bena on Dec 5, 2011 4:13 PM MST
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PrintA week after rushing the ball 22 times, something no quarterback has done since 1950, Tim Tebow was, dare I say, more traditional in playing quarterback in Sunday's 35-32 win over the Minnesota Vikings. The Vikings, to their credit, took away what the Broncos wanted to do in the option game with superior team speed, especially in the Front-7. That meant the Broncos had to go more traditional, even in the running game, in the 2nd half, and Willis McGahee and the offensive line got it done.
Part of traditional is reflected on the play of the quarterback as well. Tebow wasn't a threat in the running game, but that doesn't mean he wasn't dangerous with his legs. Far from it. But it is what Tebow did with his arm - and the progress he showed not only throwing the ball but reacting to what the defense gave him and making quality decisions. That is what impressed me the most and should have you all excited.
I picked my Top-3 throws that Tebow made yesterday to provide examples.
PLAY #1 - The first one comes on 3rd and 9 from the Vikings' 21. Notice the Vikings, despite the Broncos having 4 receivers going out into the passing tree, plus a back, plus being in the shotgun, have NINE defenders up close to the line of scrimmage. The MO right now for defenses against Tebow is to keep everyone close and force him to make a good decision under duress. The result speaks for itself:
The first thing I notice is the eyes of every defender. They are all on Tebow - they simply aren't worried about covering the receivers. That means a couple things. One - since it is ALL of the defenders in coverage they were instructed to do it. Why, you ask? Simple. The threat Tebow poses with his feet if he breaks contain has defenses worried. BIG TIME.
So what does this say about Tebow? Tim has always been considered a run-first quarterback. The Vikings, in a lot of ways, would prefer he run, then go up and tackle him. Again, ALL THE DEFENDERS in coverage are looking at the QB, not the receivers. To his credit, despite the 10-yard cushion he has, Tebow lets the play develop and delivers a strike to Demaryius Thomas for a touchdown. Look for yourself. Stop the video at the :02 to :03 second mark and look at the defense.
This isn't a case of blown coverage. This is a case of the Vikings defenders following their game plan, being more concerned about what Tebow could do with his feet, not with his eyes and his arm.
PLAY #2 - How about this one. On First and 10 from the Vikings 41, the Broncos line up in a non-traditional alignment - Tebow in the gun with two backs. The Broncos are sending just two receivers into the pass-pattern. This is what has teams like the Vikings, Jets, Chargers and Dolphins nervous - and what the Bears will surely be trying to avoid on Sunday.
This play is a designed pass. Tebow fakes the handoff and immediately looks down field. The Vikings, again, stack the box with eight defenders. To their credit, the Vikings linebackers do a solid job of not falling for the fake and staying home. That means the backs coming out of the backfield are covered, as is the middle of the field if Tebow should try and run. In a lot of ways it is a perfectly defended play.
Then the magic happens. Again, let's start with great pass-protection by the Broncos O-line. That said, the Vikings are clearly tentative in their rush, again fearing Tebow's ability to make plays with his legs. Rule number one with Tebow? Don't let him go to his left. The Vikings allow that to happen and the snowball begins to roll down the hill.
Jared Allen, who is lined up on Tebow's left, has the duty to contain Tebow and he does, forcing Tebow to stop. Credit Ryan Clady for staying with Allen and allowing Tebow to get inside of him. Then comes the stiff-arm. The impressive thing for me? All the while, Tebow's eyes remained downfield. His goal was not to run, but to make a play in the passing game, even though the Broncos were in a running formation with running personnel.
Once the play breaks down, and the Vikings come up to stop Tebow, figuring he is not going to pass, Demaryius Thomas comes back to his quarterback and Tebow delivers a strike. The rest, of course is Thomas.
Again, to me this is progress for Tebow physically as a passer, but more importantly mentally. He is THINKING like a quarterback.
PLAY #3 - Finally, my favorite pass of the day from Tebow, at least in terms of growth. Ironically, the ball is going to fall incomplete, but I think is was the best example yet of Tebow's growth as a quarterback in a very short time and a play that should have all of us excited.
The situation? 3rd and 10 from the Vikings 28. The score is 32-29 Vikings and the Broncos are on the fringe of FG territory. The Broncos could have easily called a run here, choosing to be safe. They didn't. They let Tebow go a bit and the result may not have been a successful play, but I think it will pay dividends in the weeks ahead.
The Vikings try and confuse Tebow with pre-snap movement. Five defenders were moving pre-snap trying to disguise their look and get into Tebow's head. Tebow showed maturity when he, despite the play clock, took the time to verify the protection call with center J.D. Walton.
The Vikings once again have NINE defenders up close to the line of scrimmage despite the Broncos showing 4-WRs and a RB in the backfield with Tebow. When Tebow lifts his foot the first time, it is obvious the Vikings are going to bring the house at Tebow - exactly the opposite of what they did in Play #1 above. Tebow checks with Walton, then takes the snap.
This time, the Vikings do a MUCH better job of covering receivers instead of watching Tebow. They feel the rush will force Tebow to throw it away, or at best, Tebow will get sacked. Showing confidence and decisiveness, Tebow delivers the ball to Demaryius Thomas in the perfect spot, in tight coverage, with Thomas nearly coming down with what could have been the game-winner.
Look again, however, and you'll see Thomas hesitate for a fraction of a second. That hesitation is what likely cost him a touchdown. The read, decision and throw by Tebow were perfect. Did it flutter a little? Yes, but few quarterbacks throw a perfect spiral, every time, especially in the heat of an all-out blitz.
Tim Tebow still has work to do. I hope the three plays above, however, shed some light on his progression as a quarterback and proves that Tebow IS making progress and that we ALL should be excited about the next four weeks, and beyond!
GO BRONCOS!
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if Tebow can continue passing the ball like this
How do you stop him? He can run the option, he can pass out of the option, he can pass in the pocket, he can extend plays, he can take off running, and oh yeah we have willis mcgahee having a great year and 2 big guys in Decker and Thomas who can get down field and make plays
love what i’m seeing
by Scotty Payne on Dec 5, 2011 4:17 PM MST reply actions 5 recs
He was quite unstoppable when it was clicking in college..
I, as a college fan of TT, can only hope and anticipate at this point, he has all the support and team effort one could expect..I’d love to see a Brandon Lloyd or similar to add to what we have, but what we have is coming through like those great big beautiful Budweiser stallions..if you catch my drift.. amazing lofty play on the part of this team.
"We've clawed our way back in this thing," safety Brian Dawkins said."We're going to go out and give it everything we got."
In this case, you don't -)
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by Fabio Broncos on Dec 6, 2011 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Tebow is now officially unstoppable
the Vikings have been had!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2011 2:58 PM MST up reply actions
John Bena, I love anything that talks or shows or sounds like TT..
So THANKS for the write up !!
"We've clawed our way back in this thing," safety Brian Dawkins said."We're going to go out and give it everything we got."
If you watch those throws
It looks like Tebow went back to his natural throwing motion and I think it made a big difference.
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Thats a good point.
Im sure at some point in his career, that extra half-second will mean the difference between a thrown ball and a strip-sack. But I believe that the positive plays he will make with his legs, that other QBs cant do, will more than make up for any negative plays this bad habit causes. Awesome to see how much he is progressing each week.
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Billick made a great comment about Tebow's throwing motion yesterday
Actually he mad a lot of great comments during the game about Tim. I especially liked when he saw Tim’s eyes after the second TD to Thomas when Billick said, “Wow, look at those eyes. I’m in.”
What he said about Tim’s throwing motion was leave it alone. Where you accelerate his timing is not shortening the motion, but by improving his defense recognition and thereby his decision making. He said that’s how you get a QB to get rid of the ball quicker. I agree. And we saw that yesterday. He was much quicker with his recognition/progression and it showed. The defense mostly was no where near him when he released the ball.
Great points
I never liked Billick as a coach — thought he and his teams were over-the-top arrogant and (truthfully) hated how those Ravens punked our Broncos. But yesterday he gave great insight throughout about Tebow and Ponder (who through some very nice balls yesterday — if they can protect him better and AP gets/stays healthy, they may be scary).
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
Billick is a genius
he has forgotten more football than the combined talking heads on FOX’s halftime and pregame show could ever know. Screw you Jimmy, creating the blueprint to conquer Tebow, it didn’t work!
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2011 2:59 PM MST up reply actions
Will it?
that extra half-second will mean the difference between a thrown ball and a strip-sack.
I’ve begun to wonder. OK, in traffic against a superior pass rush – yes. But how often, and at what cost? With great pocket-awareness, decent protection (enhanced by the fear of him running), and faster decision-making, will the slower delivery be that big a hindrance?
Faster is great, no question. But I seem to remember plenty of dissection in 1983 of Marino (fast delivery, successful rookie season) vs. Elway (slow wind-up, not-so-successful; ergo “he’s got to fix that!”). Maybe Elway’s delivery tightened up – I really don’t know – but it was never fast like Marino (or Brees, for a contemporary example). On the other hand, once launched, JE’s passes were rocket shots.
Does not matter how fast your release or delivery is
if you don’t have good anticipation and football savvy. Let’s say TT has the big wind-up but has superior anticipation on the routes being run then it’s simply a matter of him adjusting “when” he needs to release the ball to get it where he wants when he wants. The elite QBs, obviously do both, great anticipation and quick release. Now, if you have a quick release but all of your guys are covered, but you are not mobile, you are dead in the water. But even with a slow wind-up, if all his receivers are covered, TT can still make it happen with his mobility, this is what will make him elite in my opinion. I like our chances with a “gamer” like TT. He has shown me he has latent passing touch, that continues to get better. All the other stuff is off the charts.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 5, 2011 9:06 PM MST up reply actions
I agree - it's a complex set of variables,
And T2 seems to be developing them rapidly on the pro stage. I especially agree that he has a nice natural touch on his throws that you don’t always see.
Also thought I’d second John’s note here:
Did it flutter a little? Yes, but few quarterbacks throw a perfect spiral, every time, especially in the heat of an all-out blitz.
I’ve carefully watched the past several weeks for these 30-yard throws from the better QBs in the game, and have been rather surprised how many of those balls have a little flutter. More often than not, really. That includes Eli, Romo, Brady, and even Rodgers. I think the only one I haven’t seen like that were from Brees. Anecdotal, yes, but it seems few of those deep out balls really come down pretty.
I'll add a little comment to this . . .
. . . because I was just thinking about this over the weekend. I see a lot of younger guys throwing almost always tight spirals. Somehow the league becomes obsessed with certain traits for each position and often overvalues them.
In other words, these guys get the opportunity because they look the part, but in the end, it’ll be their overall performance that keeps them in the league. Look at the successful QBs in the league and you’ll see a fair amount of mildly wobbling balls. It just should not be a top priority when evaluating QBs.
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2011 3:07 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the film, John
DT was in full on beast mode, let hope this wan’t a flash in the pan for him.
The quote you posted from Jared Allen says it all, Minesota did not respect Tebow the passer and it cost them. If the kid keeps progressing like this, he is going to be tough to defend.
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Props to DT!
Indeed — sad to not see more of it. This is the DT we all know he can be. Between injuries and timing with a new QB, it was going to take time. I know DT had some ugly issues off the field this summer (which I didn’t know about until about a month ago), but I don’t think he’s the head case some here have made him out to be. He can be an absolute game-changer for the Broncos.
" I Find Your Lack of Faith Disturbing," Darth Vader.
That juke on the 41 yarder was one of my favorite replays of the day
I watched it over and over… I think #33 needed both a new jock strap and an ankle cast after that move….
Absolutely stellar analysis.
Particularly your observation that the DB’s in coverage were watching Tebow (running threat) as opposed to watching their man in coverage, resulting in receivers being left wide open.
What I noticed...
Tebow is not a dummy when it comes to reading NFL defenses. Many of his critics say he doesn’t have the football smarts to be an NFL quarterback, he has bad mechanics, blah blah blah… Well… I beg to differ on the football smarts. He can read defenses. He has command of the offense and was able to read the defense well enough to call audibles at the line of scrimmage… all day long… and he was successful more often than not.
The man has football smarts, he just needs more time to develop.
McDaniels also said, during his predraft interviews, that Tebow has an incredible football IQ. Say what you want about McD, but I believe the man has a huge football knowledge and will likely be a successful head coach somewhere in the NFL, but right now he has really bad people skills…
Anyhow… I really loved watching him play yesterday. He may never look like Rodgers throwing the ball… but he is effective and just might have what it takes to take the Broncos to a championship.
Go Broncos!
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by tjpmontana on Dec 5, 2011 4:58 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Football IQ
John Gruden said the same about TT in his workout with him before the draft. Said he was smart and coach-able. Steve Marriucci has also said the same. I think Billick was won over, finally… will be interesting to hear his comments this week when he visits the Denver radio sports scene.
TEBOW!!!!!
I agree
Tebow wowed McDaniels with his knowledge of the game, and that’s why he drafted him. The aw shucks demeanor may mislead some people into underestimating him but it’s in the mental department where he stands out. The only question about Tebow was whether his mechanics could be improved quickly enough to warrant drafting a project so high, which many people questioned because drafting a “project QB” appeared to be mistake given our situation.
Tebow’s mental abilities have been demonstrated in the run game, which is an unheard of progression, and he’s only now becoming a pocket passer. All relative novice QBs need work of making their pass reads so he’s not unusual in that regard, but his abllity to deliver the ball accurately has prevented him from making the throws indicated by his reads. Most fans are now willing to bear with his apprecticeship given the results, and also given his obvious progress as a thrower.
******* George Santayana described fanaticism as -- "redoubling your effort after you've forgotten your aim"
All Timmie needed was time...With a normal offseason this last spring and summer, and we wouldn't be talking about his mechanics,
We’d be talking about the direction this team is headed…
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Thanks!
I appreciate your analysis, I always miss something and you have a great way of explaining. Having the play footage right there really helps.
LOL did anyone else think this when they saw this picture?
Chuck Norris once asked Tim Tebow for advice on martial arts.
Of course this isnt Tebow - God Bless......
BUT it is US taking on MSM!!!
Check out at the end of touchdown #2
Kuper, Franklin then Beadles hurdle the downed defender like he was part of a steeple chase!!!!
LMAO!!!
Chuck Norris once asked Tim Tebow for advice on martial arts.
I loved that the big guys were down there
Just another example of the unit that we’ve got now with this team. 3 of your biggest players on the field running 40 yards down field to celebrate. Awesome.
Hah!
All three, right in a row. Looked syncronized. Those guys should be balerina’s…I think they missed their calling.
Great choices
These were 3 huge examples of how fast Tebow is learning “on the field.” I, too, saw the DT hesitation and that was the difference between a tough catch stretching out vs. being able to elevate above the defender and catch it in front of the goal line. To think how little these guys have all played together (not just the receivers and Tebow, but the whole offense), it’s amazing how much improvement you see from week to week. We add a legitimate vertical threat with both Decker and DT, and this offense is going to be a nightmare to have to prepare for.
Exciting stuff.
I saw DT's hesitation, too.
Kept him from getting in position on time. It was a fantastic throw, Rothlesberger-esque as far as standing in there and throwing a strike right as you’re about to get buried by the whole defense.
RE: Hesitation by DT...
I commented yesterday that I thought this play was simply two young players not knowing each other well enough yet.
I think DT was looking for a back shoulder throw, and TT was throwing over the defender (perfectly, I might add..spiral doesn’t count as much as location). I was impressed that DT was able to recover enough that he almost got it anyway.
by idahobronc on Dec 5, 2011 9:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is part of the game planning process
Tebow ran the ball because they saw a weakness in the opposing teams defense and knew they could exploit it. The same thing goes for the Vikings game, they knew the Vikings defense could be exploited by passing the ball so that’s what they game planned. The Broncos coaching staff is doing a great job at game planning for teams, and they know what Tebow can and can’t do and it’s winning ball games. Congrats on the winning streak and good luck in the future except week 17. This is my last comment in here it’s been fun while it lasted but I can’t express this enough, I wasn’t here to bash your team or Tebow.
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what happened?
did you get in trouble or something? I always like seeing you around here for some good-natured ribbing.
No trouble I was politely ask to leave, so I will.
Don’t ask for names cause I’m not giving any, it’s just not a good time right now especially being a rival fan and a Tebow doubter. This is my last comment.
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Sorry to hear that...
I’ve always enjoyed your input here and was wondering where you’d been.
Can’t believe anybody seriously believes you’re hear to cause trouble, I’ve been impressed with your ability to take the ribbing.
Hope things change and we see you around here again.
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What??!?! CPT.C!! You never cause trouble
Why would you be asked to leave?
Ridiculous. It’s refreshing having respectful other team fans in here.
Wow…. just… wow.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 5, 2011 6:27 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, count me as surprised as well
I total agree with the two comments above. I know CPT won’t respond anymore, however if he reads this then I will simply say “take care.”
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CPT...thats just absolute horse shit....you are always welcome....man, if it was a member of staff than they need an upper cut!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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If it was a member of staff
I would hope they would balls up and explain why anyone is asked to leave….I can’t remember anytime that CPT has ever far enough to be asked to leave….
I want to believe that staff wouldn’t do this but if they did I would hope they would step down…
posters should be judged by what they say on here and I have never seen anything that would warrent this….
Wait, what? Why would you have been asked to leave?
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I agree with the rest of the guys here saying you're not a trouble maker
While we haven’t had much direct interaction, I always enjoyed reading your comments and seeing another fans perception of things. I’ve felt that while some threads can be become quite heated, you manage to stay polite and professional. Good luck to the Chiefs the rest of the year except when they play the Broncos.
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That's all good and well
Me along with others are politely asking you to stay. You are a fantastic NFL fan and I enjoy having you visit our site. You can debate, give insight, and point out things we miss. That is something I value a lot. Whoever asked you to leave is hereby outvoted. I’ve never seen you break our site rules that I can recall in the least.
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Sadaraine...terrific post...said it perfectly!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
"Tebow is a special player. I have never seen a player quite like him in my whole career! I’m gonna play all out for the guy! I know he will be out there giving 110% every play every week, so I’m gonna give 120%!:
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I agree with Tunesmith
There’s no reason for you to go anywhere. I like reading your perspective. Most of the time. :)
I think I have good ideas sometimes. I just suck at communicating them.
by Jason Witte on Dec 5, 2011 6:03 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Like I said above maybe I'll come back next year if it's ok, and this is my last comment, geez stop it guys or it will never end.
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by CPT.Caveman on Dec 5, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want it to end...
Keep coming back. :-)
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I don't think Tim was really telling you to leave...
..anymore than half the posters here telling each other to “get out if you don’t like it” every other day.
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by bonaire on Dec 5, 2011 6:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
my comment was censored... all I did is flip him some sh!t cuz i know he'll be back.
We’ll follow him over to the AP and bring his ass back
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2011 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
RIP Caveman
it’s been a good run with you here, perhaps you’ll see my alter ego at Arrowhead Pride sometime
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions
Guru... always a pleasure to read your opinion pieces
Thanks very much.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 5, 2011 6:29 PM MST reply actions
Thanks!!!
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Wow! Good catch on the Thomas hesitation...very obvious when you see his trailing leg actually drift to the outside.
The really exciting thing to me is I see all kinds of room for improvement, improvement that I believe Tebow is more than capable of. This kid could get really scary as he evolves into including the whole receiver package of TE, slot, and wide receivers…a picture that almost makes me salivate.
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by SDcat09 on Dec 5, 2011 7:10 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Oh... dude... i've truly never heard that before... I'm stealing it and shall use it henceforth whilst drinking with the boys
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
"It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes" Douglas Adams
by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 5, 2011 7:28 PM MST up reply actions
Glad I could help.
That’s one of my favorite jokes:)
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You're an Aussie...of course you would!
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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Champ Bailey.
Here's the biggest improvement I saw today
And is highlited probably best by your third highlite and that is footwork, still it’s not perfect, but it is vastly improved. He is getting set and throwing on time, something he was struggling with previously. I think if he continues to work on footwork he will continue to improve on the accuracy aspect of the game.
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Agree. I've been saying also that it is
much more about footwork for him than it is the arm speed/delivery. Much easier to work on and solve.
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by rubincarterrocks on Dec 5, 2011 9:11 PM MST up reply actions
Someone send this to Merrill Hoge.
Awesome article.
Tebow works too hard to not improve and he will continue to get better.
Julian from Australia
it's counterproductive
my Aussie friend, you see, Merrill Hoge can’t read
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by the new Bradfather on Dec 6, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions
Great article John.
I think the two things that sealed the deal for me on Tebow yesterday that weren’t related to his play was his will to go and talk to the Vikings players like he was giving them advice in the middle of the game, and how badly he wanted the ball on 4th and 1 towards the end of the 2nd quarter.
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My favorite throw was also incomplete
It was early in the game on like a 3rd and nine and was a deep comeback. Ball was thrown perfectly on time and Thomas did a good job catching it but missed his second foot by about 2 inches, which is just bad luck. That’s the main place for improvement with him. He doesn’t have to be a guy that throws it 45 times but eventually to be a super bowl QB you got to hit the timing routes on 3 and long and be able to pick up some of those. And you can see the improvement in that with both receiver and Tebow with the extended reps. Early their were a lot of drops and routes that ended up being a yard short.
Second, I don’t think the long motion is that big of a problem but I think it leads to more interceptions than strip fumbles. That extra time allows the defender to break on the route better. But Tebow has done a great job with pump fakes to negate that as if they break too early he also has more time to abort it and the receiver will be wide open a second later. That’s one thing I’ve seen Tebow do better than a lot of nfl QBs is the pumps. On one of the late throws to Thomas he started on decker, read the d, pumped to decker to move the cover 2 safeties left and knew he had Thomas wide open on the other side after doing that.
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by Bloynoys on Dec 5, 2011 8:26 PM MST via mobile reply actions
the throw forced him out of bounds. It was off target but he erred towards the safe throw, gotta love that.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 5, 2011 10:07 PM MST up reply actions
Respectfully beg to differ
DT simply didn’t drag his second foot. Ball was perfectly placed. DT is young and he’ll learn that technique (which btw you see all the time from experienced NFL receivers ), but TT’s throw was dead on. Same as the Decker end zone catch (can’t recall the game) where he didn’t get his foot in the back of the end zone because he continued with his regular stride. We have young receivers as starters still learning the fine points of playing receiver in the NFL. If those balls had been thrown to LLoyd or Gaffney they would have been good catches.
Perhaps
I think both of those throws were a beat late, otherwise they would have been 2 yards in bounds. However he is getting better in his placement.
Lots of QB's are a beat late
which is why they rely on their receivers to make a play for them.
Somewhere in between
the throw was justa touch late and/or outside which pulled DT too far to the sideline, and DT could also have done a better job of being aware of the sideline and planking his body to drag both feet in…
I don’t think it was a bad play by either young guy, but it also wasn’t a great play by either, and thus the poor result.
agreed
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2011 8:58 PM MST up reply actions
Tebow
Tebow stinks. I mean, he’s only won 5 in a row (first time since Elway played in Denver). The guy is a winner, period. I’m a Falcons fan and would take Tebow as our QB in a second.
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5 ROAD games in a row...equalled the record with Elway in 98.
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I don't think it was the record was it? I thought it was just the last time it was done...??
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by orange&blue_aussie on Dec 7, 2011 12:18 AM MST up reply actions
yep...tied Elway's record of road wins.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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I see progress!
Add that to all the good stuff we already know and there is hope in Denver folks!!!
I’m 75% sold.
(I’d still grab the best QB we can get in the second or third to compete)
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Why WB? Thats a wasted pick...we need help on D...so a 2nd or 3rd on QB to compete would not make sense unless our team was stacked already.
Foxy...you WERE on the hot seat, but you fooled me you rascally old deveil...keep building that team mate!
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because if i had to bet the farm, I'd have to say there's a very high chance that Tebow IS NOT an NFL QB.
Besides, we NEED a backup!
What if Tim gets hurt?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Dec 6, 2011 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
Then getting a rookie as a back up makes no sense. Go get Garrard, keep Weber and off we go.
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One thing I notice with Tebow
Is that he throws a nice ball when he is not trying to throw rockets. Sometimes it looks like he is squeezing the life out of the ball and tries to throw darts. When he plays with soft hands his passes are on the money.
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by Albuquerque on Dec 5, 2011 10:09 PM MST via mobile reply actions
very perceptive
Yes, I couldn’t understand why he threw such poor balls until you mentioned it. He’s been trying too hard to shorten the ‘stroke’ and wasn’t holding the ball long enough — ironically. Getting rid of the ball quickly can be over-emphasized. His current stroke doesn’t start low at the waist like in the past but he’s also not trying to squeeze it out too quickly, which helps.
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Anyone else worried about DT.
I’ve said so else where but it seems like he hasn’t been all in. Granted it could be the injury/short season. I was happy to see him come back to the QB finally. In other games I have seen him just quit on the play. I think we will need him to step up and learn to work with Tim.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Dec 5, 2011 10:35 PM MST reply actions
Don’t underestimate the impact of the injury that DT is recovering from. A torn Achilles is a big deal and he was back practicing way ahead of schedule. The question is, will he recover his top end speed? He was drafted injured and this may be partly a compensatory injury. In addition, DT was known to be a tremendous physical talent but also a bit raw in his route running when he was adjusted. I would venture to day that we should avoid judging DT until the middle of next season.
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Pass plays - general passing comment
All the non-3rd down pass plays seem to be play action with all-9s (go/takeoffs), with Tebow just throwing away from the safety. I would like to see some better intermediate throws, particularly on crossing and slants. Tebows main difficulty is hitting a receiver moving across the field or anticipating where a receiver will settle on a route turning back to the QB.
He is pretty decent throwing the long ball one on one (or one on none as with a few against the Vikings). On 3rd down he seems to have a hard time delivering the ball accurately “on time” to the open receiver – if the play breaks down it has a better chance of being converter which should not be the case.
That being said, let’s keep winning!
I think that we, as Bronco Fans, all saw this coming!
In an article I wrote here on MHR I made the following comment.
Enough cannot be said for the amount of time a QB has had with his receiving group. When you look at this team, the amount of time they have had to work together, the time they have had to get used to the plays called, and the amount of time Tim has had with the group to get a feel for what they will do, then you could be as amazed as I am at what has been accomplished so far!
Does a QB question whether or not his receivers know their routs, if they will be on the spot that they should be when the ball arrives? With receivers that are this new to this team, it would surprise me if there wasn’t a little bit of doubt in that area.
We are seeing the summer’s Organized Training Sessions in real time during the season, and I am so very impressed by the progress that it is difficult to put into words.
I have heard different analysts say that the important thing is footwork, and reading defenses, and that trying to change Tim’s throwing motion is a mistake! To compare the throwing motion of different QB’s and calling one more correct than another is a moot point in my opinion.
It’s kind of like saying that Baseball Pitchers wind ups need to all be the same, and I doubt that anyone will try to make that point. Certainly John Elway should know better since he was also drafted to be a pitcher at the time that he chose to go with football.
I think that trying to change Tim’s natural throwing motion is a big mistake, perhaps the biggest one of all. The great points being made by those that have commented above regarding Tim’s improvements with footwork and eyes down the field says it all.
Now it is all a matter of the receivers and QB spending time together.
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Well it sure didn't help Timmie that for sure...Not having an offseason of coach-teach put a strangle hold on a lot of players.
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Elway was not drafted as a pitcher
He was an outfielder
I stand corrected! :) My bad!
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Hey it happens
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I know what you are saying there! Those kids at that age know it all!
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I am tired of the Tebow haters and the non-practicing Tebowists trying to diminish the accomplishments of Our Dear Leader by saying that Denver is winning primarily because of its defense. In fact, Denver’s defense is its biggest problem. That defense is ruining every Broncos game. What if Denver was entering the fourth quarter each week trailing 45-10 or 50-0 instead of 13-10 or 6-0? We’d be getting to see far more miraculous Tebow comebacks. Denver’s defense is robbing us of history week after week after week. If we’re lucky, and if we Tebow hard enough, one day Tebow will be paired with a defense as bad as Philadelphia’s and we will have ourselves the Dream Team to end all Dream Teams.
Tim Lynch on Dec 6, 2011, Horse tracks brought us another great article from this author that is a very creative great read on “the doubters.”
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The media still thinks...
…that we ran read-option all day Sunday because I keep hearing “Denver’s offense is not sustainable.” Obviously they didn’t watch the game because he ran the ball four times (one being to line-up the FG). This was close to a pro style offense and he made it work.
What’s amazing to me are the adjustments from game to game and half to half by Fox and McCoy…
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