Relatively Speaking About the Denver Broncos (Part Two)
In 1997, the Denver Broncos finally broke through and won their first Super Bowl. They won it for a second time the following year. It was a good time to be a Denver fan. It was widely believed that the Broncos had come of age and would be a permanent fixture in the post season for years to come.
Alas, this was not to be. An unexpected decision by then coach Mike Shanahan to go with second year player Brian Griese over Elway's heir apparent, thirteen year veteran Bubby Brister contributed to a year of disarray in which the Broncos went 6-10. The Broncos would only go to the playoffs once in Griese's four years at the helm. The arrival of Jake Plummer as Denver's starter ushered in three straight years of post season appearances, including an appearance in the AFC Championship game in 2005. Once again, it was thought that the Broncos had broken through and were on their way back to the Super Bowl.
Then the wheels came off for a second time, and Broncos fans had to endure five years with nary a post season game. After the jump, we'll take a look at the starting rosters of the 2005-2010 Broncos through the eyes of pro-football-reference.com's Approximate Value ratings.
In the first part of this series, we looked at the Approximate Value of the starters on the six Super Bowl teams. I asked Neil Paine at PFR how the "starters" were determined, he responded with this:
"It is determined by who had the most starts during the season. That data is complete since 1980, but for earlier seasons it had to be estimated from media guides, scoresheets, newspaper accounts, and sometimes educated guessing. The data we have is the same that's found in the ESPN Pro Football Encyclopedia. In the event of a tie in starts, we give starter credit to both players."
The calculation of AV for a player uses a fairly complex formula that is based on the premise that every drive in a football game ends in one of the following: a rushing touchdown, a passing touchdown, a field goal, a field goal attempt, a punt, a turnover, or the end of the half/game. Using the information from those categories for each offensive drive, PFR generates a set of points which are then divided among the offensive players on the team. The same information from the opponents' drives are used to generate the points shared by the defensive players. The points each position receives are weighted by a formula that is loosely correlated to the historical percentage of the draft value chart points spent by the NFL teams on each position.
Offensive players then get a percentage of the offensive points based upon position. Offensive linemen receive points for games played, games started and bonuses for being named All Pro or to the Pro Bowl in a given season. Running backs add credit for rushing yards plus a bonus if their rushing yards were above the league average and a penalty if they were below the league average. Receivers receive similar bonus/penalties based on receiving yards. Quarterbacks, of course, have their value based on passing yards, plus the bonuses mentioned above. It should be noted that any offensive player who runs the ball, catches or throws a pass will receive credit for those actions.
Defensive players also receive a percentage of the team's defensive points based upon position. The defensve players receive credit for games played, games started, sacks, fumble recoveries, interceptions, defensive touchdowns, and tackles. They receive bonuses for being selected to the All Pro and/or Pro Bowl teams.
An in-depth explanation of the method can be found here.
One final note on the AV method: Tunesmith in his post on the AV ratings of the 2010 roster noticed that Zane Beadles had been given an AV of zero. He contacted PFR to ask about this and was informed that they were aware of the issue and that it was the result of a bug in the system which incorrectly gave zero value to a number of 2010 rookies. He was told that the problem would be corrected. As of the writing of this article, Beadles was still showing a zero for his AV.
Now, on to the AV ratings for the starters from 2005 to 2010:
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| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Jake Plummer | 15 | LDE | Courtney Brown | 7 | |
| RB | Mike Anderson | 11 | LDT | Michael Myers | 8 | |
| FB | Kevin Johnson | 2 | RDT | Gerard Warren | 7 | |
| WR | Ashley Lelie | 10 | RDE | Trevor Pryce | 8 | |
| WR | Rod Smith | 13 | LLB | D. J. Williams | 7 | |
| TE | Stephen Alexander | 5 | MLB | Al Wilson | 15 | |
| LT | Matt Lepsis | 10 | RLB | Ian Gold | 9 | |
| LG | Ben Hamilton | 8 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 15 | |
| C | Tom Nalen | 8 | RCB | Darrent Williams | 4 | |
| RG | Cooper Carlisle | 8 | SS | Nick Ferguson | 6 | |
| RT | George Foster | 10 | FS | John Lynch | 9 |
| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Jake Plummer | 6 | LDE | Kenard Lang | 8 | |
| RB | Tatum Bell | 8 | LDT | Michael Myers | 8 | |
| FB | Kevin Johnson | 1 | RDT | Gerard Warren | 7 | |
| WR | Javon Walker | 12 | RDE | Ebenezer Ekuban | 8 | |
| WR | Rod Smith | 5 | LLB | D. J. Williams | 7 | |
| TE | Stephen Alexander | 4 | MLB | Al Wilson | 12 | |
| LT | Eric Pears | 5 | RLB | Ian Gold | 7 | |
| LG | Ben Hamilton | 7 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 16 | |
| C | Tom Nalen | 7 | RCB | Darrent Williams | 6 | |
| RG | Cooper Carlisle | 7 | SS | Nick Ferguson | 4 | |
| RT | George Foster | 7 | FS | John Lynch | 9 |
| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Jay Cutler | 12 | LDE | John Engleberger | 6 | |
| RB | Selvin Young | 7 | LDT | Sam Adams | 4 | |
| FB | Cecil Sapp | 1 | RDT | Alvin McKinley | 4 | |
| WR | Brandon Marshall | 12 | RDE | Elvis Dumervil | 7 | |
| WR | Brandon Stokley | 6 | LLB | Nate Webster | 6 | |
| TE | Daniel Graham | 4 | MLB | D. J. Williams | 7 | |
| LT | Matt Lepsis | 8 | RLB | Ian Gold | 6 | |
| LG | Chris Kuper | 5 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 11 | |
| C | Chris Myers | 7 | RCB | Dre Bly | 5 | |
| RG | Montrae Holland | 7 | SS | Hamza Abdullah | 3 | |
| RT | Eric Pears | 8 | FS | John Lynch | 9 |
Lost tiebreaker to San Diego
| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Jay Cutler | 15 | LDE | Ebenezer Ekuban | 4 | |
| RB | Peyton Hillis | 4 | LDT | Dewayne Robertson | 4 | |
| WR | Brandon Marshall | 11 | RDT | Marcus Thomas | 4 | |
| WR | Eddie Royal | 9 | RDE | Elvis Dumervil | 4 | |
| TE | Daniel Graham | 6 | LLB | Jamie Winborn | 4 | |
| TE | Tony Scheffler | 7 | MLB | Nate Webster | 4 | |
| LT | Ryan Clady | 13 | RLB | D. J. Williams | 4 | |
| LG | Ben Hamilton | 7 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 3 | |
| C | Casey Wiegmann | 9 | RCB | Dre Bly | 5 | |
| RG | Chris Kuper | 7 | SS | Marquand Manuel | 4 | |
| RT | Ryan Harris | 8 | FS | Marion McCree | 2 |
| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Kyle Orton | 11 | LDE | Ryan McBean | 6 | |
| RB | Knowshon Moreno | 6 | NT | Ronald Fields | 7 | |
| WR | Brandon Marshall | 9 | LOLB | Mario Haggan | 7 | |
| WR | Eddie Royal | 5 | LOLB | Kenny Peterson | 6 | |
| WR | Jabar Gaffney | 6 | LILB | Andra Davis | 6 | |
| TE | Daniel Graham | 4 | RILB | D. J. Williams | 8 | |
| LT | Ryan Clady | 13 | ROLB | Elvis Dumervil | 15 | |
| LG | Ben Hamilton | 3 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 9 | |
| C | Casey Wiegmann | 6 | RCB | Andre Goodman | 7 | |
| RG | Chris Kuper | 5 | SS | Renaldo Hill | 6 | |
| RT | Ryan Harris | 3 | FS | Brian Dawkins | 11 |
| Pos | Name | AV | Pos | Name | AV | |
| QB | Kyle Orton | 11 | LDE | Kevin Vickerson | 4 | |
| RB | Knowshon Moreno | 8 | NT | Jamal Williams | 5 | |
| WR | Jabar Gaffney | 7 | RDE | Justin Bannan | 5 | |
| WR | Brandon Lloyd | 12 | LOLB | Mario Haggan | 6 | |
| WR | Eddie Royal | 5 | LILB | D. J. Williams | 6 | |
| TE | Daniel Graham | 4 | RILB | Wesley Woodyard | 1 | |
| LT | Ryan Clady | 9 | ROLB | Robert Ayers | 4 | |
| LG | Zane Beadles | 0 | LCB | Champ Bailey | 9 | |
| C | J. D. Walton | 8 | RCB | Andre Goodman | 3 | |
| RG | Chris Kuper | 7 | SS | Renaldo Hill | 5 | |
| RT | Ryan Harris | 6 | FS | Brian Dawkins | 4 |
| Team | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |
| Record | 13-3 | 9-7 | 7-9 | 8-8 | 8-8 | 4-12 |
| Ave Win Margin | +12.6 | +8.4 | +10.6 | +8.1 | +14.8 | +11.0 |
| Ave Loss Margin | -9.7 | -8.9 | -18.1 | -17.9 | -14.5 | -14.2 |
| MVP (20-25) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| All Pro/Pro Bowl (14-19) | 3 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 |
| Starter (14-19) | 12 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 5 |
| Backup (3-7) | 6 | 13 | 15 | 15 | 15 | 15 |
| Scrub (0-2) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 |
| Team Average | 8.9 | 7.3 | 6.9 | 6.3 | 7.1 | 5.9 |
The first thing that is noticed here is that the average team rating declined from 2005 to 2008 -- falling from the starter range in 2005 to the backup range in the other years -- before experiencing a slight upturn in 2009, followed by an extreme drop in 2010. We can see a parallel decline, upturn and decline in the average margin of victory during that span. I was surprised to see that the greatest margin of victory came not in the 2005 season where we made it to the AFC Championship, but in 2009 -- the first year of the McDaniels experiment. It is also interesting to note that the greatest margin of defeat did not come in the year when the team average was at the lowest (2010).
| Offense | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |
| Record | 13-3 | 9-7 | 7-9 | 8-8 | 8-8 | 4-12 |
| Ave Win Margin | +12.6 | +8.4 | +10.6 | +8.1 | +14.8 | +11.0 |
| Ave Loss Margin | -9.7 | -8.9 | -18.1 | -17.9 | -14.5 | -14.2 |
| MVP (20-25) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| All Pro/Pro Bowl (14-19) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Starter (8-13) | 8 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 5 |
| Backup (3-7) | 1 | 8 | 6 | 5 | 8 | 5 |
| Scrub (0-2) | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
| Offensive Average | 9.1 | 6.3 | 7.0 | 8.7 | 6.3 | 7.0 |
The offensive ratings do not parallel the team ratings. The offensive average was highest in 2005, dropped sharply in 2006, rose back up through 2007 and 2008, then fell off in 2009 before rising again in 2010. It is odd that the greatest margin of victory came in the year when the offensive AV average was at its lowest.
| Defense | 2005 | 2006 | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 |
| Record | 13-3 | 9-7 | 7-9 | 8-8 | 8-8 | 4-12 |
| Ave Win Margin | +12.6 | +8.4 | +10.6 | +8.1 | +14.8 | +11.0 |
| Ave Loss Margin | -9.7 | -8.9 | -18.1 | -17.9 | -14.5 | -14.2 |
| MVP (20-25) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| All Pro/Pro Bowl (14-19) | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Starter (8-13) | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 |
| Backup (3-7) | 5 | 5 | 9 | 10 | 8 | 10 |
| Scrub (0-2) | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 |
| Defensive Average | 8.6 | 8.4 | 6.8 | 3.8 | 8.0 | 4.7 |
The defensive averages help understand how the team and offensive averages fluctuated. What we can see here is that the smallest margin of defeat came when the defensive average was the highest. Strangely enough, however, the largest margin of defeat did not come when the defensive average was at its lowest. We do see a decline in the averages from 2005 to 2008, with an upturn in 2009 followed by a sharp drop in 2010.
So, what does this all mean? I suppose ultimately, it doesn't mean a whole lot. We can see how while in given years (2005-10) we have come close to the averages of some of the Super Bowl years, overall, we have lagged well behind in most years. On the other hand, it is one more way of looking at the last several seasons, in comparison to the years that Denver made it to the Super Bowl and seeing just how far we need to climb to return to what is ultimately the goal of our franchise.
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It definitely says
That numbers arent everything. Statistically, we were almost as good in 09 as in 05, but ended up 8-8. Another example is this years Chargers team, #1 offense and Defense but finished 9-7. Stats don’t win games
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Agreed
The AV method illustrates how important it is to find a way to interpret the raw statistical data.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 10, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
I keep seeing more and more proof that our D just flat out sucked this year
No excuses, no nothing, they sucked.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
No, you think? ;-p
I agree with you totally.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 10, 2011 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Our offense wasn't nearly as bad as some thought
It was hardly great, but compared to how our defense played, we should take pride in anything we do decently.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
The answer is 43
No really, I think this does not take into account Turnovers and that is usually a big difference maker.
Interesting piece of work Brian.
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I agree with 43
Though the PFR method does account for turnovers in their formulas that determine the offensive and defensive points to be divvied up among the teams’ players.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 10, 2011 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Ok My bad
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
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Thanks
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 10, 2011 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
pretty interesting. I think it underscores how injuries had a huge impact on our defense in 2010.
We were really low on defensive turnovers forced in 2010, while we were pretty good in 2009. I think that’s more evidence that the defense was on their heels and thinking too much in 2010. You don’t start forcing turnovers until you’re confident enough in what you’re doing that you can get loose and just play. I think that’s another point in favor of the 4-3.
I have noticed that teams that play poorly tend to depress the AV scores of otherwise good players. Like, if you bring in Dumervil and another pro bowler, you’ll likely see some of these same players rise up from backup level to starter level in terms of AV score.
You're absolutely right
Poor play does depress scores, since they loosely based on offensive points scored and defensive points given up.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 10, 2011 4:13 PM MST up reply actions
another look… the offense and defense numbers are particularly interesting.
First, it shows that McD’s offense was improving in terms of player talent/output.
And, it’s also notable that our 2010 defense was better than the 2008 defense.
The thing to remember is that in 2009, we were one of the least injured teams in the league. In 2010, we were pretty decimated, particularly on defense.
So the team might very well have been improving overall. That’s why I’m fairly optimistic about the future, especially since we didn’t completely clean house with our coaching staff. There’s still stuff to build on.
Just at first glance
One thing that stood out for me was that as much as we got criticized for the ‘Browncos’ DL era (2005-2006), it was better than anything we’ve had since.
I addressed that just before the charts
PFR has told tunesmith that there was a bug in their system that incorrectly set a number of 2010 rookies to zero. Beadles happened to be one of them & they expect to see that fixed.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Feb 13, 2011 8:08 PM MST up reply actions

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