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Reviewing the Draft - 2002 Edition

PHILADELPHIA - OCTOBER 03:  Clinton Portis #26 of the Washington Redskins runs the ball against the Philadelphia Eagles on October 3 2010 at Lincoln Financial Field in Philadelphia Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Jim McIsaac/Getty Images)

People always argue if a draft class was good or not and grade it. Most people including me think think that it take 2 or 3 years before you can actually grade a class. Leading up to the draft we will take a look at who the Broncos drafted in the past 10 years. These drafts were conducted by Mike Shanahan and Josh McDaniels.  

Ashley Lelie - Wide Receiver - Hawaii 19th Overall

Denver needed help at wide receiver. When the offense was healthy, it was pretty strong. Denver was looking at either an offensive lineman for a safe pick since Shanahan was not a strong drafter, or a wide receiver. The receivers in reach were either going to be Donte Stallworth or Ashley Lelie.  Since Stallworth went earlier, the Broncos took 6'3 200 pound Lelie. Lelie had a not bad rookie year with 35 receptions and 2 touchdowns but his best year was 2004 where he had 54 receptions, over 1000 yards receiving and 7 touchdowns. Unfortunately, later on Lelie got upset when the Broncos traded for Javon Walker and wanted out eventually being traded to Atlanta in a 3 way deal with the Redskins. Lelie today is a free agent.

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Clinton Portis - Running Back - Miami - 51st overall

Boy oh boy did this impact the last decade of the Broncos. Clinton Portis was drafted by the Broncos who was an instant star in Denver, In his rookie season he started 12 games and rushed for  1508 yards and 15 touchdowns winning the Offensive Rookie of the Year award. The next season Portis rushed for 1591 yards and 14 touchdowns averaging 5.5 YPC both seasons. In his time in Denver he became the youngest player to rush for five touchdowns in one game.However in 2004, the Broncos traded Portis to the Washington Redskins for Champ Bailey and a second round pick. Critics felt Denver got the way bigger end of the deal saying that Portis was just a success of Denver fantastic zone blocking scheme. 

Dorsett Davis - Defensive Tackle - Mississippi State - 96th Overall

Davis was a big man at 305 pounds 6'5. Davis was a very inconsistent player in college after the learning of his mother had cancer which really messed with his head. He didnt play in a game in 2002. In 2003 he played 8=14 games with no starts  and only 8 tackles. Later he had a small stint in the CFL with the Edmonton Eskimos. 

Sam Brandon - Strong Safety - UNLV - 131st Overall

Brandon had a good few years for the Broncos. Eventually he started in his 2nd year  at free safety for 10 games. He was great in coverage especially against tight ends. After a knee injury that required season ending surgery, the Broncos released him along with him having assault charges and possibly being up for suspension.  

Herb Haygood - WIde Receiver - Michigan State - 144th overall

Haygood was the 2nd receiver drafted by the Broncos in 2002. Unfortunately for him he played only 4 games for the Broncos in 2003. Today he is a coach for Saginaw Valley State University. 

Jeb Putzier - Tight End - Boise State - 191st overall

Putzier was a big tight end at 6'4. He actually wasn't too bad. He only played a few games in his first couple years. The next two years though he played in all 16 games each year. In 2004 and 2005 he had 36 and 37 receptions respectively and about 500 yards each season. After 2005 the Broncos released him. Last year he was with the team in training camp but never made the final team. 

Chris Young - Safety - Georgia Tech - 228th overall

Young did not play much with the Broncos. In 2003 he played in 11 games and 2004 12 games mostly on special teams. In 2004 he suffered a season ending knee injury.

Monsanto Pope - Defensive Tackle - Virginia - 231st Overall

For a late round pick, Pope actually had a good time in Denver. In his rookie year he played in 14 games and started 1 and had 4 sacks! In 2003 he started 5 games and in 2004 15 games. After 2005 however Pope wasn't resigned.

This draft had a lot of players that turned into great players. It would be interesting to see where we would be if instead of Lelie we drafted Ed Reed. Just a Thought.

 

In my 2001 edition, you rated that draft mostly in the area of D or Fail. What do you rate this draft?

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Grade the Draft
A
24 votes
B
139 votes
C
229 votes
D
125 votes
Fail!
102 votes

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Talking of Javon

He was taken the pick after Ashley.

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Oops.

by Muse_Cubed on Mar 15, 2011 2:41 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Whoops...

Never should have bought that Haygood jersey…

I kid, I kid..

J

by Jezru on Mar 15, 2011 2:52 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow, people are tough graders here. I think we don’t have perspective of how drafts turn out for the average team. I saw this and thought this was a far better than average draft.

by tunesmith on Mar 15, 2011 3:15 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah I had the same reaction

we got like 4-5 serviceable starters from that draft. I liked putzier and loved portis

Bleed(ing out) the Orange and Blue

by WhyBroncosWhy? on Mar 15, 2011 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Lelie as a deep threat

But he was never going to be a number 1 WR and didn’t deserve tons of money so I wasn’t upset when he left.

He did need to work on catching those deep balls though. It seemed like a 50/50 chance everytime he was targeted he would score a touchdown or drop the ball.

by trumanj on Mar 15, 2011 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

I call this the Ed Reed draft. We had a huge need for S and Reed went a few picks after Lelie. I was at Univ of Miami at the time and was totally crushed that Shanny was so dumb to pass a potential HOF player at a spot of need for some Hawaii gimmick player. One of Shanny’s biggest draft day mistakes ever.

That said, Portis was his best 2nd round pick and we turned that into Champ Bailey and a high #2, which Mike then wasted on Tatum Bell.

Kyle Orton is currently one of the ten most talented Denver Broncos. And that is precisely the problem and why he shouldn’t start in 2011. We are rebuilding from the very bottom so that = Tebow.

by McGeorge on Mar 15, 2011 3:43 PM MDT reply actions  

I graded D

because I thought I was grading Lelie rather than the whole draft. For the whole draft I’d say C–: an instant star traded for an even bigger (and with a longer career) star, a pretty good but underperforming (and soft) first round pick, and two or three solid citizens in the mid to late rounds who helped the team but not for long.

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by spock on Mar 15, 2011 3:48 PM MDT reply actions  

I say this affectionately, but you folks that are grading this draft poorly are craaaaazy.

Here’s my favorite analysis on draft successes. A statistician over at the Dallas Cowboys sbnation site has a series of articles where he analyzes historical draft records. The whole system is fairly ingenious, here is a rough description.

First, think of a way to judge the overall worth of an NFL player’s career. Some people pick game appearances, some people pick starts, some people factor in pro bowl or all-pro appearances. By far the most advanced metric I’ve seen that tries to capture this is pro-football-reference’s “Career Approximate Value” (CAV). Every player is given a career number – the higher the number, the greater the value.

Then, you factor in the complete draft history of every draft, every team, every player, and look up each player’s CAV.

Then you can look at the average CAV for pick #1, pick #2, etc. And you can then compare the CAV of each player that a team actually took.

So, you figure that all together, make a big table, and you end up with one like at the bottom of this fanpost entry here.

The upshot? The Denver Broncos’ 2002 draft was the 6th best in the league that year.

by tunesmith on Mar 15, 2011 3:53 PM MDT reply actions  

btw, I don’t REALLY mean that you’re crazy. :) I think we’re all inclined to grade our own team harshly given that we want all our draftees to be all-pros. But the system above gives a lot of great perspective on what an average draft performance really is.

by tunesmith on Mar 15, 2011 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

tunesmith, I guess I'll have to take the crazy title! ha. I do think it was a poor draft

I grade a draft based on the return the team that drafted the players received. Lelie was a bust, he may have had a 1,000 yd yr. but was an ineffective receiver at best. He would disappear for whole games, then have one or two big receptions, he would consistently drop balls, this eroded the qb and coaches confidence in him. Portis was the big hit on that draft, and even if he was a product of the system, it just showed they were good at drafting at that position for the way they ran the ball and he maximized his opportunity, performing at 1st rd level. The rest were simply cannon fodder.
Interesting how hard it was for us to find a receiver for so many years and now look at how many we have. Shanny must have felt like the knight looking for the holy grail in his final yrs.

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by rubincarterrocks on Mar 15, 2011 6:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great analysis

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Nice to see a completely objective view.

by bfore on Mar 15, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

with McGeorge. We should have taken Reed. Some people had him projected to us. If not Reed, then Daniel Graham would have been good. I thought that he was going to be a star at the time.

As for the WR’s, Javon should have been the first WR off the board to Green Bay, and the Pats should have taken Stallworth. Lelie should have went to the Texans at the top of the second round.

by PABroncofan on Mar 15, 2011 4:25 PM MDT reply actions  

What? Shanahan drafting Reed instead of Lelie. Are you questioning the mastermind?!? Pure F+ draft a little above the average F for the Shanahan era.

by BGBronco on Mar 15, 2011 6:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Shanny is one of those coaches who can step in and take a good team on the cusp

of success and pick the few necessary pieces to get it over the hump. But it has become apparent that he is not skilled at taking a struggling franchise and turn it around. Probably would not be the best choice to be the first coach for an expansion team. That is not to demean him. It is not easy to take a “good” team to the next level. Imagine what he could have done with the Chargers if he been given the HC position after Marty was released? So much talent with his offensive mind…

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by rubincarterrocks on Mar 15, 2011 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

WOW!!! Look at all those All-Pro future Hall of Famers!!! WOOO

Anything above a D is generous. lmao

Nice write up man.

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 15, 2011 7:10 PM MDT reply actions  

That's silly...

This was at least an average draft, no worse. If you’re telling me that drafting the Offensive Rookie of the Year who netted over 1,500 yards and 15 TDs, which we traded for an All-Pro future Hall of Fame cornerback is the equivalent of a “D,” then you’re effectively saying that you’d rather we had never gotten Champ Bailey.

I don’t see any way to give this draft anything lower than a “C,” and there are plenty of arguments for why it deserves a “B.”

by chripstopher on Mar 15, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well when you put it that way.....

A draft that netted Champ deserves much better. I was wrong.

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 16, 2011 8:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

I give it a D

Like most of our drafts in the early 2000s and later, who in the world are these guys. Damn we sucked at drafting.

If it wasn’t for drafting Portis who eventually got us Bailey in a trade, I would give this a BIG FAT F.

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by weazel on Mar 15, 2011 10:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Without Portis I give it a D

but Portis netted us Bailey and for that I gave it a B. Probably a little too generous, but this was a pretty good draft for Shanny standards. Lelie and Brandon were both serviceable and with Portis being the All Pro he was for us I think B is fair.

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by LynchtheD on Mar 15, 2011 10:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Comparison

I have a question beacuse I wasn’t a draftnik back then and have no idea of how people looked at Reed back then.

Anyway my questions is…..

Is taking Lelie over Reed like taking Dareus / Fairley etc over Peterson?

by mikebirty on Mar 16, 2011 4:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Lelie over Reed

There was a pretty big hole at safety. But, I remember really wanting Lelie and there was a need at WR too, with Smith, Sharpe and McCaffery all in there 30s. I think with Shanny taking a DB 1st in the previous two drafts sealed it for me at the time. I gave the draft a B because of Portis/Bailey. Any time a draft nets you a HOFer it’s tough to grade it any lower.

by Beave35 on Mar 16, 2011 7:03 AM MDT reply actions  

Haters lacking facts to back up opinions....

For all the whiners who are complaining about Reed, Shanny drafted someone in Portis who was every bit the impact player for the Broncos that Reed was for the Ravens. One could even argue Portis was more of an impact player due to the nature of his position. How in the heck do you grade a draft that yields and instant impact player for your team and a trade that nets you a cornerback who is every bit the HoF candidate that Reed is as a C, D or worse. How many drafts result in HoF candidates?

Yes I wish he had drafted Reed instead of Ashly. The Broncos needed a number one wide out and Ashly looked every bit to fit the part and he did not have character issues that Walker had and definitely seemed to manifest in his career. No he never developed into a number one but was a good number two. Disappointing, yes, but hardly less than a B. Putzier is totally underrated in this analysis. Putzier was a key component to the Broncos offense. In Shanny’s offense a TE who can stretch the field is very important and puts so much pressure on a defense. Putzier was that.

In summary, most drafts go by without getting an impact player like Portis was for the Broncos or a HoFer in a trade. This year was a B+. Otherwise you will be failing most drafts every year.

To compare, was drafting Moreno and Ayers a failure? Mathews was taken after both of them and he is more of an impact player for his team then both of them put together. So those picks must be an “F” and with it the draft. If Moreno and Ayers develop into good solid starters, even thought they missed on an impact player, that is still a good draft. Time will tell if they develop.

by Keyworthpunch on Mar 16, 2011 8:04 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

hindsight is a beaultiful thing. I too gave it a good draft…

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by ktown on Mar 16, 2011 10:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

This was a mixed bag

Initially I really liked the draft, mainly because we got what I thought could be an elite WR, and an elite RB, I also thought Davis was a good pick. I think looking back on it, Lelie frame did not fit what Shanahan wanted from his WR, basically someone who could be physical in the run game and make tough grabs across the middle, Portis was obviously a terrific pick in the 2nd round, and we did decent with Brandon and Putzier being decent contibutiers for a time. I think the greatest failing of this draft, as with many of Shanahan’’s drafts was the lack of bringing in good defensive talent and having the number one pick become an elite player.

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by Broncoman on Mar 16, 2011 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

C

The only players worth anything are Lelie, Portis and Brandon (with brief mentions for Putz and Pope). Lelie was an okay deep threat with average hands and nothing else, drafted way too high. Portis is the bright spot, not only did he have 2 amazing years he netted us Champ and a 2nd round pick. Brandon was a great cover safety until his knee problem, he really could have been something special. Pope was decent rotational player – not bad for where he was drafted. Putz sucked as a blocker, but he could take a hit like no one else, decent depth for TE for a couple of years. One star, 2 average players, and 2 scrubs. And this is one of the better Shanahan drafts….

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by Darin H on Mar 17, 2011 3:18 PM MDT reply actions  

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