NFL Labor Mess: Open Forum With DeMaurice Smith Raises Questions, Lessens Hope
Yesterday afternoon I was fortunate enough to be part of a conference call with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, NFL Lead Negotiator Jeff Pash and about a dozen other SBNation football bloggers. Much of the rhetoric was the same as the conversation I had with Broncos' President Joe Ellis last weekend. As many of you said then, it would be nice to get a view form the other side. I completely agree. That chance came Friday morning when NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith and NFL linebacker Takeo Spikes took the time to sit down with the same group that spoke with Roger Goodell and Jeff Pash yesterday. Perhaps, I thought, it would answer some questions and tie up some loose ends - even offer a glimmer of hope that a deal could get done.
Unfortunately the result was more questions and less hope. There is a deep divide between the NFL and the NFLPA - yes, I know the NFLPA is no more, but for ease of conversation I am going to loosely use the term for now.
I want to focus on a topic that De Smith focused on for, I'd say, 80% of the 35 minutes he spent talking with us. Smith clearly wanted to get a message out there and he wanted to focus on, what he calls, the 'worst deal in sports history'. Specifically, Smith wanted to break down the specifics of the first two years of the NFL's proposal. This is where things get interesting:
Smith describes the proposal this way:
The NFL's deal would have been a 10-year deal. That is the first unassailable fact.
Second unassailable fact: the NFL wanted us to take this deal without offering any audited financial statements of the teams so that we could understand the true financial picture of the NFL. That is unassailable fact number two.
Unassailable fact number three: the NFL made their presentation on the last day of mediation, where they knew that the players union had to notify the courts by 5:30 about whether it was going to take advantage of its option to renounce.
Before I go through the numbers, my guess is that when you spoke to Pash, my guess is he didn't lead off with those three unassailable facts. He's smart enough not to forget them. The reason why number one is critically important, number two is critically important, and number three is critically important, is right now I just want to run through the economic effects of the first two years of the deal alone. Not the last eight, just the first two.
Still with me? Basically Smith is saying that the NFL's proposal was non-negotiable. Take it ALL or leave it ALL. This goes against what the NFL has said was a starting point, not a 'take-it-or-leave-it' proposal.
Now we get into the numbers. Smith focuses on the first two years of the proposal, and oddly targets the salary cap. It gets interesting now. First, Smith outlines what 2011 would look like under to recently-expired system:
In 2011, if we would have stuck with basically the same fifth-fifty split of all revenue, in 2011, revenue would be projected at $10.2 billion. Keeping that fifty-fifty split of all revenue, the cap would be approximately $155 million. That's assuming only a five percent growth of all revenue.
Let's not get too technical; the league has been averaging about eight to nine percent growth per year, but for the sake of argument, let's just assume that football going forward isn't as popular as it's been for the last 50 years. Let's just assume only a five growth instead of an eight percent growth.
The cap in 2011 would be $155 million. The cap under the league's proposal would be $141 million. That's a decrease of $14 million. Times 32 teams. I think you come up with $448 million in year one. Again, remember the three things we started with: the first year check that the players are writing to the richest men in the world is $448 million in year one.
Under year one of the league's deal, the players are writing a check to the owners of $448 million. Our share of all revenue before the ink is dry on that deal now drops to 45% of all revenue. Last year we were at 48.9%. We've had a fifty-fifty split of all revenue with the NFL since approximately 1991. 60% is after they take their billion off the top. Once you include all revenue, it's been a fifty-fifty split since about 1991.
STOP! WAIT!! HOLD ON!!!
Ok, first of all, I found it interesting that Smith focused on the salary CAP. You see, the CAP is a hypothetical number, really. It is the MAX a team can spend. How many teams actually spend to the cap?? While hard to tell for sure, It appears that, in 2009 - the final year of the cap system - 17-of-32 teams were OVER $5 million UNDER the cap. Six of those teams were over $10 million under the cap.You can see the flaw in Smith's thinking - even if he was trying to 'dumb-down' his economics for us bloggers. He speaks as though the players would be writing a check for $448 million if the Cap was reduced from $155 million to $141 million. That simply isn't true because over half the teams in the NFL weren't spending to the cap anyway!
Just to give you an idea how the recently expired CBA affected the Salary Cap, look at these numbers:
2005: $85.5 million
2006: $102 million(New CBA deal signed in March 2006)
2007: $109 million
2008: $116.7 million
2009: $128 million
You see what is happening. Of course, those numbers are based on 59.5% of total revenue AFTER $1 billion is taken off the top(about $31 million per team) PRIOR to 2006, the equation was a bit harder - something called Defined Gross Revenue - which was limited to TV money, ticket sales and NFL merchandise sales. The CBA signed in 2006 added revenue streams such as naming rights and local advertising. The results are easy to see.
So, we've seen that cap, and we've heard what De Smith had to say about the NFL proposal and what it would do to the cap. We've also shown that a majority of NFL teams aren't spending to the cap anyway, so Smith's assertion that the players would be 'writing a check' for $448 million in year one is completely flawed. What should the focus be?
SALARY FLOOR
The salary floor - calculated annually using the salary cap number - is MUCH MORE IMPORTANT to the players. Or should be. It is the MINIMUM AMOUNT a team HAS to spend on players. In short, it keeps NFL teams from becoming the Pittsburgh Pirates or Kansas City Royals. Taking revenue sharing money and putting it directly into their pockets instead of investing it back into the team.
Let's look at 2009 again - the final year of the Cap. 2010, remember, was uncapped. We'll get to 2010 in a second.
In 2009, the salary cap was $128 million. The floor, according to this was $111 million, or about 86.7% of the cap. In the NFL's proposal to the Union on March 11, they guaranteed the Cap Floor to remain at 90% for the first three years of the deal. That is an additional 3.5% - real money - going back to the players. In 2009, that would have been around $4.5 million per team.
So while the NFL was proposing a lower cap, the were meeting the players in between by offering to raise the salary floor.
A perfect scenario? No, it still meant the player were giving money back, and you can see some reasons why the owners would want to get a bit of a refund by looking at the Salary Cap numbers above.
Let's look at 2010. This is important because of the pending litigation. If Judge Nelson rules in favor of the players on April 6 and slaps an injunction on the Lockout, the NFL is likely to appeal. Chances are, however, that Nelson's ruling will be upheld - federal rulings aren't overturned very often. That means we would play 2011 under 2010 rules. No cap.
On paper you would think no cap would benefit the players. In a lot of ways it does not. Teams do not pay for player benefits, for instance. That equals about $10 million in savings, according to Smith, per team:
In the uncapped year in 2010, you all understand that the NFL took $10 million from the players for each team. In the uncapped year, the NFL did not pay benefits to the players. In the uncapped year, there were unfunded benefits of $10 million per team. $10 million per team in the uncapped year. So the owners stuffed $10 million per team in their pockets in the uncapped year.
The other disadvantage to the players? No Salary Cap means no Salary floor. That means teams could spend whatever they wanted - as much or AS LITTLE - and guess what happened.
On March 5, 2010, only one team - the Washington Redskins - were at the $111 million minimum in place in 2009. Only four teams - the Dallas Cowboys, Minnesota Vikings, Seattle Seahawks and Redskins - were over the $100 million mark. Teams began trimming player costs.
There were also four teams that spent under the $100 million mark:
- Tampa Bay Buccaneers: $80.8 million
- Kansas City Chiefs: $84.5 million
- Jacksonville Jaguars: $89.5 million
- Arizona Cardinals: $97.8 million
Six more teams, including the Broncos, were under the $111 million floor from 2009. That means - in real dollars - the uncapped season - compared to 2009 - cost the players about $120 million.
It all begs to question - what are the players hoping to get out of litigation?
Again, the proposal the NFL laid out - a 2011 Cap of $141 million - would be a $13 million increase from 2009. The salary floor would also rise, from $111 million in 2009 to 126.9 million. So what's the issue? Why is this the worst deal in sports history?
There would be some player give back. But not as much as Smith proposes($448 million). If Smith's cap numbers are correct, and the cap in 2011 would be $155 million, the salary floor, using the old 86.7% figure, would be $134 million. Approximately $7 million less per team, or, $239.5 million.
But remember - the NFL also offered the following in their proposal:
- $82 million to retired players in 2011-2012
- Current players could remain in current medical plan for life
- Most importantly, they offered to accept the NFLPA's proposed Salary Cap of $161 million per club
STOP! WAIT!! HOLD ON!!!
Read the third bullet point. The $161 million salary cap in 2014 - 3 years from now - is only $6 million HIGHER than what Smith says the cap would be in 2011?? HUH?
The Cap rose an AVERAGE of $10 million per year from 2005-2009. How could it only grow a TOTAL of $6 million over the next four years?
Again, I'm not a smart man, but it just doesn't add up to me.
I'm not saying that the NFL's proposal was perfect. What I am saying, however, is I've talked to Joe Ellis, who was 'in the room'. I've talked to Roger Goodell and Jeff Pash, who were 'in the room', and I've talked to DeMaurice Smith, who was 'in the room', and I've come away with the belief that Smith wants this in court. He's a lawyer and he wants to litigate, and not necessarily because all the facts are on his side, but in a courtroom, as well all know, it isn't ALWAYS about the fact - it's about who can present their argument better and I have NO DOUBT that Smith believes he is the better litigator.
There is anger and resentment on the side of the players that the owner's opted out of the last CBA, and about the television deal. Smith talked in length today about the NFL's 'Decision Tree, which he claims is proof the NFL wanted the TV deal to be 'lockout insurance':
So now if you go back to early 2009, before I've been elected, the owners have opted out of the deal, they've notified everybody that they intend to not renew the CBA under the same situations, and now you have an internal NFL document that nobody was supposed to see.
It was supposed to be kept silent and kept quiet and kept in the dark. At just about the same time that I'm sending Roger Goodell letters to engage in good faith negotiation, at virtually the same time two months earlier, you're looking at an internal document where the central focus, the central question they are raising about the new TV contracts is that circle in the middle.
So at a time when we are thinking about how to engage in good faith negotiations, they're thinking about how to game the TV contracts to do just the opposite. If you look under that circle that you just read - I apologize, I don't have it in front of me - if you look right under that circle, my recollection is there's a line that says key factors, and my recollection that is the first key factor.
The first key factor for them even before I was elected was cash needs during a lockout that only they can impose. So now you know why they did what they did on the last day of mediation, at a time when they knew that we had to notify the court with our intentions about whether we'd renounced.
Smith is angry. In my opinion, and it came across this way to me today, he has taken this personal - something you can never do in negotiations. He continued focus on the TV deal - even after a court of law sided with his argument - is an example of the type of grudge Smith - and by extension, the players - can hold, making a deal nearly impossible to get done.
There is a lot to digest here. I have mixed the words of DeMaurice Smith with my own opinion and information that was released by the NFL regarding their proposal. I leave it for you to decide, but there are two very different men at the helm of this labor dispute. One appears cool, calm and collected. The other, aggressive and adversarial. It's not a good mix - whether it is public perception, the mediation room or the court room.
Like I said at the top - more questions, less hope.
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That -- together with the other interviews you were a part of this week -- is one helluva breakdown, John
Though I know little of business and finance, the arguments presented here are compelling and it’s easy to see why we are at such loggerheads. Thank you for helping us make sense of it all and lending nuance, lucidity, and sobriety to the battlefield. This is a pleasant experience for NO ONE, but it is damn sure interesting theatre.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 18, 2011 11:03 PM MDT reply actions
Yes. More questions; less hope
I’ve read just about everything I could find on this situation. I’ve come away with the conclusion that it’s all about litigation. I hate the courts. In court, just like you mentioned, it’s not about truth. It’s not about justice either. It’s about who is better at proving they are right.
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We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
From everything I've seen....
Smith is the worst thing to happen to the NFL. And that really bugs me. How can all these players be so entirely duped by this imbecile? Unions are often terrible things, but maybe it’s just people like him and not the unions themselves that are terrible. I hope this idiot doesn’t ruin this incredible game we all love so much!
by BroncoPilot on Mar 18, 2011 11:10 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Great analysis, John.
This confirms my feelings of the situation. I’ve held back my NFLPA bashing because no one can ever have all the facts, but as usual, Unions come out with bullshit numbers and expect us all to accept it as irrefutable fact.
That’s as far as I’ll go with my NFLPA bash tonight. :)
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one thing I hate about this debate is that it’s all too easy for political opinions to come out of the woodwork. Your statement about unions is unfair.
I agree
It’s fair enough to disagree with how Smith and the NFLPA are handling the situation but it is NOT fair to bash all unions because of how one union is acting. I expected a little more intelligence from some MHR members.
BTW John, great article!
Thanks!
allow me to jump on the union bashing wagon!! They had their place. Thank God for the BLOOD they spilled to bring the all around quality of employment worldwide; to the point it is now.... but that time is past.
Unions ask so much and offer so little that the product is either of a lessor quality or unreasonable price. They suck.
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 19, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions
You are correct...my statement was towards POWERFUL unions.
Nothing the big Unions do anymore is good for long term financial viability of their employers. There has to be a balance between labor and business. In every single situation in America where the balance shifted in the Unions favor, massive debt and eventual insolvency ensues. If I am not intelligent for pointing that out, then so be it.
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So restrained Tim
That deserves a pat on the back! Now if only I had KB’s image library…
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by Topher Doll on Mar 19, 2011 12:15 AM MDT up reply actions

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
I gotta get one of those. :)
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2011 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
A pat on the back machine or a blonde, white woman named "FIG 1"?
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions
The former
Who wants a woman who constantly pats herself on the back all the time?
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2011 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
lol true
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
She doesn't look blonde.
Am I just supposed to trust you she is? OPEN YOUR BOOKS.
Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.
Hey, man... all I'm trying to do is improve the quality of images for the fans.
I was willing to just keep it at 16 images and not go to 18 and give you a picture that would be reasonable for everyone involved. I shouldn’t have to open my books and show you all my thread pictures. I think we can all agree that I fairly distribute them, when the situation in the thread calls for one. Obviously, you don’t want to make a deal and I feel bad for the fans and the hit that the integrity of this thread will take. I just hope that the fans see that I was being reasonable and wanted to sit at the negotiating table but you weren’t….
The only way we’ll get a deal done is if we can sit at the same negotiating table and start negotiating… minus my picture books.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
I only have but one rec to give...
..but this comment deserves to go green !! Very nice KB, very nice!!
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DMS wants to "win" rather than negotiate to achieve a compromise benefiting both sides
I’m going to enjoy calling him DMS.
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I don’t know, John. To me, the biggest issue is what wasn’t even addressed here – the projected revenue growth. I don’t have many details, but wasn’t there something like, the owners were projecting revenue growth of 2.5%, where they’d split it with the players, but any revenue growth above that, the owners would get all of it? There’s no way the NFL revenue only goes up 2.5% / year.
That’s a huge problem right there. And given how the owners were communicating it, I would have walked away too. I get that the owners are ready and willing to negotiate, but there are a heck of a lot of car salesmen ready and willing to offer me a high price on a car, too.
All I can focus on is what De Smith focused on...
The full transcript will come out in a couple days, but I promise you, his focus was mainly on what I wrote about above.
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Thanks for the report John
as usual, non-biased and factual.
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More and More...
I am beginning to think this is less about getting a deal and more about De Smith leading a dramatic change in the way the business of football is handled. Free Agency, the Draft, etc.
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You'd think he was a Chicago politician declaring war against business...
or something.
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More of a statement
Rather then actually trying to solve something, interesting.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Mar 19, 2011 12:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Does make you wonder
if the owners are starting to get the sinking feeling they’ve opened a can of worms here.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2011 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I think they are in control still
It is worst case scenario, but the ball isn’t out of bounds yet.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2011 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Leverage
The NFLPA gains leverage through litigation because games can be played with an injunction. The players will have money in their pocket. In all honesty i would have probably gone the same rout as the players. Think about it, if your employer was trying to take away a % of your income and you had a better shot of keeping it through the court system. Wouldn’t you take that route? I’m thinking the only way we have a season asap is through the judge breaking the lockout. So i guess thats what i’m hoping for. I don’t really care about how the two parties split the pie i JUST WANT MY FA, DRAFT, AND FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
Players would still end up making more money just not as much “more money” as they would have.
Think of it this way: lets say players are getting 5% raises per year. The NFL is asking them to only get a 3.5% raise every year.
It’s not like anyone is going to go hungry with that. Plus the money is top heavy – it’ll go towards to top players. So effectively this is the top 15% of the players negotiating with the owners.
Players like Lance Ball, who would have recieved lifetime benefits, are going to start getting mad as they realize this.
Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.
It has been obvious
for weeks that DeMaurice Smith wanted to go to litigation. The Owners want to be at the bargaining table. They have made that clear as can possibly be. The owners were the ones that wanted an extension the first time. The owners are the ones who have been campaigning to get back to the table.
Since the very beginning of the negotiations, what have the players compromised on? The owners are the ones doing all of the compromising. They aren’t pushing 18 game seasons. They cut back on initial demands. They gave into more money for retired players. They are doing everything.
The only thing the NFLPA has done is wine and moan and demand to see the financial books in which they have no right to see since the players are employees and not partners.
DeMaurice Smith is a lawyer. He wants to go to litigation because he believes he can win and get a better deal then if he had to negotiate.
It really pisses me off when he got so offended when the owners called him out on not negotiating in good faith. He’s not negotiating in good faith. He’s sitting at a table, looking at the proposals that the owners are putting together and saying “Nope. Not without your financial documents”.
Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Von Miller are putting their reputations on the line big time with this lawsuit. I was a big Brees fan before, but my attitude towards him has definitely changed since he became the spokesman for the CBA via Twitter.
“We have a responsibility and at some point you just have to stand up for what is right”. What is right is to get this deal done as soon as possible so thousands of people don’t lose their jobs. What exactly is right? Making sure your 3 corvettes have full tanks of gas?
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not so sure you are fully portraying the complexity here
The NFLPA had a deadline to make a decision on whether to decertify or not… giving an 11th hour proposal is hardly softball negotiation… the union was effectively in a position of “take it or leave it”, because their biggest negotiating stick (decertification) essentially disappears if they try to negotiate from the Owner’s proposal. Nothing would say that at 5:31pm, the owners back out of their offer, and the players are then effectively screwed because they missed their legal window.
While I agree that the players seem to be somewhat focusing on the wrong things (cap vs. actual expenditures), I’d not put too much stake in the more confrontational stance of the players given the owners are the ones who precipitated this mess by opting out of the old contract, and then backed the players into a corner by refusing to move on anything until the 11th hour deadline when the players couldn’t really counter without losing their big bit of leverage (decertification).
As far as the owner “compromises”, its hard to see many big ones… pre-season games are sold out anyway, so while the TV revenue may potentially go up (I actually doubt it, as it is negotiated as a package), it doesn’t really change the owners fincances that much…. to me, that looks like a negotiating “give away” that the owners put in simply so they could give it away later. In regards to the older player benefits, withholding them wasn’t a teneable position given public/fan outcry at the mounting evidence of long-term injury…. again, not something they really could keep realistically, so not much of a give away.
basically, there is plenty of blame to go around here. I don’t see the owners as squeeky clean as many people seem to portray them….
Does no one remember the complaints about Gene Upshaw
and him being soft at the end of his life? This is not surprising. The players wanted a hardass, the ones that didn’t were convinced they did. Either the courts recognize the decertification was a sham by legal definition, or this gets really ugly.
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by otisnixon'sparty on Mar 19, 2011 12:31 AM MDT reply actions
Outstanding Post
This is the kind of thing that wins MHR awards.
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by longshot356 on Mar 19, 2011 1:40 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Great job, John
I listened to part of the lecture that Smith gave Joel T. and those on the call w/ me. He came across, IMO, as an angry man who believes his job was to fight this deal from the beginning. NOT get a deal done, but spin the owners offer to make it as he says “the worst deal in sprts history.” Something tells me Johnny Unitas would have taken that deal a few decades ago! He says the players are being offered less than since 1991? Wake up, players (and Smith)! Times are tougher ow than they were in 1991, so deal with it.
I’ve been saying since the begininng and wrote a piece on this last week at Balimore Beatdwn, saying the players are at fault as their job (and Smith’s) is to get the best possible deal for them, not the deal THEY might want, but the BEST POSSIBLE deal.
Then sign it.
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Inane Unassailable Facts
The odd thing about the3 Unassailable Facts is that they don’t bolster the trade association’s argument at all. If I were the NFL, I would stipulate to those facts.
10 year deal means longer labor peace.
NFL is not giving the players their audited financials.
The NFL put a legitimate offer on the table with enough time for the players to stipulate to another extension so the 5:30 deadline is moot.
It is obvious they wanted to litigate. They might have even expected to get Doty for the anti-trust action. It would be ironic if the new judge, an Obama appointee, ruled against the players while Doty, a Reagan appointee, has always ruled for the players.
by ocbroncomaniac on Mar 19, 2011 6:01 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I thought the 5:30 deadline was legally mandated...
I don’t think an extension was feasible without a court ruling… not so simple as just signing one.
This is silly. Funny to see the NFL's PR campiagn in action.
First it’s Goodell’s pathetic antics, now the NFLPA is trying to get the public on its side. Like I said earlier this week, look for them both to try to get sympathy fro you the fans. The most important thing to the NFL is their fans. And no, don’t be stupid enough to believe they actually care about you. This is all about money. They need our support, which is why the propaganda campaign was released. Joe Ellis was kind enough? Really? Please man.
Hopefully the courts will resolve this because its pretty clear a third party is needed here.
by ShyandObese on Mar 19, 2011 6:10 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Great article John.....EXCELLENT!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
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I normally find my initial gut instinct on people is correct. I have always found De Smith an absolute slime ball....this only furthers that feeling.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Keep an open mind
Maurice stopped dressing like a pimp. Maybe you guys just don’t understand him
One point I need to get off my chest
From Smith’s description of the NFL proposal:
“Second unassailable fact: the NFL wanted us to take this deal without offering any audited financial statements of the teams so that we could understand the true financial picture of the NFL. That is unassailable fact number two. "
First off, I love the use of the word “unassailable”. I had to get a dictionary out to figure out what exactly that word meant. Brilliant use of a big word… Sounds like a great word from a court room to me. (Note: Do you think he was trying to practice his opening remarks for April 6th?)
Second, his argument is flawed. He has used a faulty assumption to link the audited financial statements to “the true financial picture of the NFL.” The financial statements are part of the picture, but they are not the whole picture. It would be like me saying that I want to see what a QB does on every snap and then be able to tell everyone that I saw the whole game. No, I saw a part of the game. From the QB, I could see what he was doing, and have a pretty decent idea if the team scored, the offence was on or off the field. The thing is, I wouldn’t be seeing the “true” picture. To see the “true” picture, the NFLPA/TA/organization of like minded football playing individuals would need to see business plans, contracts, among other things.
And unassailable fact number three, I can’t believe we’re talking about this when we could be talking about free agents and trades…
The Decision Tree
Ok, I read it. I’m waiting for the smoke to come out of the gun… I can’t seem to see it from where I’m sitting…
Scenerio 1 – group plans for multiple different possible outcomes. Based on the possible results of each decision, new options are examined. Some of the options may be more likely than others, but all options are considered.
Scenerio 2 – groups plans for multiple different possible outcomes. Based on different potential results, they pay groundwork needed to help them reach their ultimate goal. Some options are preferable, but they plan for all potential scenerios.
Hopefully it was easy to figure out that Scenerio one and two are pretty much identical, and that either one fits both the owners and the players. The first thing that I would ask for in court would be the NFLPA decision trees as they prepared for the CBA negotiations and where the decertification vote fits in?
This is a very professional business document. It lays out considerations and the differnt decision nodes. One of the considerations is cash flow (not free profits – cash flow.) the NFLPA did the exact smae thing when advising players to save a bit of money to get through a possible work action. If the cash flow wasn’t coming from tv contracts, the owners would look under the next rock for it, the bank…
I’m at a loss, I don’t understand where Mr. Smith is coming from here. The facts seem pretty clear to me. Owners plan ahead, negotiate cash flow agreement into tv contracts. It isn’t free money, it’s a loan with a defined interest rate! The only issue should be “did the NFL take less money from the tv deal with the loan provision than they could have without a loan provision?” That is what the court will be concerned with, not whether the owners were acting prudently, which it turns out they were…
I don't think "Unassailable Point #3" has been given enough credit
And I also don’t think people have been thinking critically enough about the situation where the owner’s proposed their last minute deal.
If the Union didn’t decertify when they did, that option, the only real bullet they had in their gun, would have been off the table until September. If the NFL truly had wanted to deal in good faith, they would have presented that same ‘negotiable’ deal earlier in the process. Add in old (but accurate) news about the Owners opting out of the CBA and trying to establish a lockout fund from revenue that should have been shared with the players, and the owners can easily be viewed as less than credible.
So here we are, after a week of parsing the offer from the owners, with a concerted effort by the owners to get out a particular message, and we wonder why the Union was so quick to decertify (despite the fact that they waited until the zero hour to do it). Remember too that the last day of ‘negotations’ had the players waiting around for over half the day without the owners even showing up. Even if you subscribed to the idea that the owners were burning the midnight oil to craft the last proposal, and needed half the day of the last day to finish putting it together to present to the players (which isn’t an idea that holds up under scrutiny…as my parents used to say “Couldn’t you have at least called to say you would be late?”), by not crafting that proposal sooner, they had to know that the situation wouldn’t have been a good one for negotiating, being presented at the last minute like that.
And that is the point of making a last minute deal.
Read the next sentence very carefully: If the Union had agreed to continue negotiating based on the last proposal by the owner, THAT would have been the deal they would ultimately have had to accept. Why? Because agreeing to negotiate at that point meant agreeing to take your only leverage out of the picture. What could they possibly do after that point to convince the owners that they should budge on something like the projected revenue growth? Absolutely nothing. the NFl could say “Take it or leave it. If you don’t like it, decertify in september.” By that point, the players solidarity would have taken a huge hit with several missed paychecks. The reality would be that the Union would cave and take any deal the owners offered, long before september. As it is, the injunction against the lockout will be almost guaranteed to go through, and the result will be no missed games, and an NFL season, complete with free agency, played under either 2010 or 2009 rules.
Ever since the American Needle case, I have been of the belief that the owner’s decision to opt out of the CBA would end up in court, the only question was what path it took to get there. Well, now we know the path. The league has done everything in its power to prepare for a lockout since they opted out, and the players have done everything in their power to prepare to sue against a lockout (i.e. litigate) since the owners opted out.
And guess what? The players are suing the league over a lockout. Amazing how that works.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2011 9:03 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Very, Very True...
But the two sides could have always agreed to another extension. It was Smith that came on TV and said “If there is going to be an extension we want 10 years of audited financial results”. He, essentially, took the extension off the table – though the mediator also agreed that further mediation at this time would essentially be a waste of time.
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Smith is definitely taking an aggressive tack
Seems like he’s really taking Upshaw’s comment about “never give the money back” to heart, knowing it was the owners that opted out early. His aggressiveness may be rubbing some people the wrong way, but he’s certainly defending the players’ turf with an impressive amount of fortitude. Like I said before, this is amazing theatre.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2011 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't think they could have agreed to another extension
and I think they knew it was pointless. The question we need to ask, is why were the owners so prepared for a lockout? DMS hadn’t been elected by then, so there wasn’t the history of antagonism, if anything, they had opposite. So why were the owners on a fighting premise? Did the owners not think a deal could be reached, and lockout was inevitable? Why?
The only answer is that they knew they would be asking for too much, from the players perspective, and force would be required to get it.
I think the above point is indisputable, the only question becomes what is ’too much?" If it grows the game, is it “too much?” Personal opinion rules the day on this issue, I think.
Personally, I believe that the owners are after something very specific underneath all the numbers and give and take. They want to add a full fledged stadium financing component to the league offices. Billion dollar stadiums are right around the corner, and towns like San Diego and Minnesota have a terrible track record for approving public funding of stadiums, going all the way back to the 70s. I think the NFL realizes it needs to give some to get some, and with ever more economic data coming in that basically says that stadiums are great for owners and bad for taxpayers, and an increasingly anti-tax political landscape showing up on the horizon, the owners have been pressured into taking on a lot more debt burden then they would like. Bowlen, for example, took a much, much worse debt deal on Invesco than Mike Brown did in CIN, and in 2012, unless some political wheels get greased, Bowlen’s share of the debt is going to come due even faster, when the payment tax is supposed to phase out. He did his deal on the premise that tax revenues would pay it off early, like they did for Coors field, but that hasn’t happened. Between that and the Broncos poor play, I can understand why his health has been deteriorating.
Stadiums represent the #1 cost burden for owners, after salaries, and the unequal stadium footing has made the revenue sharing issue between owners start to get extremely lopsided, when it was originally meant to provide temporary relief from year to year, not the entrenched subsidization of a handful of owners like it has been.
To go back to the players, one has to decide how they feel about the players giving up a huge percentage of their pay to finance the plush stadiums and training complexes that they enjoy. To an extent, I really like that idea, because it relieves taxpayers (somewhat, the NFL will always ask for the public dole first), and it really elevates the players to the level of partners, as stadium investors. But if they only get halfway to that solution, they are setting themselves up for a worse work stoppage than the current one. If they want the players to act like partners (i.e. agree to take a paycut to grow the business) than they need to treat them like partners (i.e. remove restraint of trade measures in the draft and free agency).
I actually think the players would be amenable to that arrangement, but want the owners to ask them point blank for specifics on what the additional revenue credits would be spent on. Thus the detailed financials. Unfortunately for the owners, those financials probably carry the potential to give a serious black eye to a lot of people, and to dredge up a lot of bad feelings regarding the methods and means for the past waves of stadium financing deals. It won’t look good when the owners show that they have a ton of revenue and almost no expense accountability, outside of debt, for the current stadium operations budgets. It will just enforce the economic models that argue that there is no economic viability for publicly financed stadiums. Also, the corporate “growth coalitions” (i.e. the behind the scenes operators in every major urban environment that provide “direction” for the cities public funding projects, such as the LoDo rejuvenation, or the Baltimore Inner Harbor rejuvenation), probably don’t like the idea of the their NFL partners having to show numbers via political pressure, since it sets an uncomfortable precedence. What good is an invisible hand if everyone can see it?
I think the NFL feels it can end around those issues with a lockout strategy, though I don’t fully understand how that would work. Litigation, though not something the NFL likes (because it will probably have to give up the restraint of trade measures, without the benefit of a boon to the finances), is probably also accounted for in their strategy, though, again, i don’t clearly understand how they will go about doing that.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2011 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Excellent analysis Jeremy, thanks
Unfortunately the players are not equiping themselves well in the court of public opinion. Childish whiteboard tweets and “hateful vitriol” by their representative is turning sympathy into resentment.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 19, 2011 12:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The question we need to ask, is why were the owners so prepared for a lockout? DMS hadn’t been elected by then, so there wasn’t the history of antagonism, if anything, they had opposite. So why were the owners on a fighting premise? Did the owners not think a deal could be reached, and lockout was inevitable? Why?
The only answer is that they knew they would be asking for too much, from the players perspective, and force would be required to get it.
I think the above point is indisputable,
Are you right, maybe. But to say that is indisputable is ludicrous. For a businessman or woman, not planning for a worst case scenario, even if you don’t think it is that likely to occur, is a great way to lose money and get fired. Lawyers in particular are professional pessimists. They planned for a lockout because it was possible. But the fact that they planned can’t be used to show how possible, or inevitable as you posit, they thought that outcome would be.
Also, just to throw it out there, it is far from inevitable that restraints on player movement will fall in litigation. The Supreme Court has shown a real willingness to allow restraints if there is a good argument that they help “maintain competitive balance” in sporting leagues. It made a big deal about pointing that out in the American Needle case. Joint merchandising just didn’t do that. The draft in particular I think is totally safe. But the NFL lawyers are always thinking worst case, so they want to avoid the issue. But they’d never give it up in negotiation if there was a chance they could win in court.
Great points
Though I don’t think the players appreciate how much harder, if not impossible, the public funding of sporting facilities has become. The football team I grew up watching, the Winnipeg Blue Bombers is playing in a stadium that is older than the Broncos themselves. It has needed to be replaced for over 20 years, and only recently has a new stadium been proposed, backed by a gov’t guaranteed loan. Almost every day, I hear about the plug getting pulled on this plan because the gov’t can’t sell a private facility, owned by the largest university in the province, to the public. The “growth coalitions” are losing the backroom battle these days, and the players are losing a silent, and most likely invisible ally when these groups fail.
by canuckbronco on Mar 19, 2011 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
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Great stuff John. Loved your comments Jeremy.
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Can someone photoshop a picture for me?
I want a picture of De Smith with one of his hats on with the caption:
“Litigators gonna litigate.”
This isn’t an attack on him but I believe it’ll be hilarious.
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by ChristianL on Mar 19, 2011 10:53 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd. Make it a t-shirt and I'll buy one, for sure.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHAHA
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 19, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Smith Appears To Be The Problem
At the beginning of the CBA process my sympathies were tilting toward the players. This was unusual for me as I have never had much sympathy for professiona players in the past with their grasping at more and more money that is ultimately paid by you and me. But NFL players are in a somewhat different class. The average player is in the year 4 years or less, never makes more than a few hunded thousand (lots short-term, but not that much over the span of an adult working career) and risks serious bodily injury. Moreover, the tv deal the owners signed made it appear as if they were going to try and impose an aggressive settlement on the players with a protracted lockout that brought them to their knees.
Now, however, and with this article confirming some of my suspicions. I believe the players’ side is the major cause for this breakdown. Specifically, they are not being served well by Smith who appears to have been determined to litigate this matter from the outset. The first time I heard him on a radio inteview several moths ago he came across as very aggressive and adversarial. Evidently, that is the way he has behaved in the negotiations. He appears to embody the worst side of the high-powered lawyering class. Big ego, excessively legalistic as opposed to fair and moral, a win-at-all cost attitude with no care given to whether his client is innocent or guilty and justice served. This article picks apart the logic of his obections and shows the owners have in fact come to negotiate professionally while the players have lined up behind a leader who is now taking this personally and not representing in good faith their cause or the overall good of the league, including us the fans. The players are walking into a protracted legal mess with this guy. Who among them will have the guts to eventually speak out?
Um how can you say that
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by the new Bradfather on Mar 19, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Players just want to play is a tired argument.
Yes the owners opted out but the players were getting a huge raise every year. I don’t think the last CBA was negotiated with the explosion of growth in mind.
This is important because as the NFL becomes more and more successful the players salaries will increase to ridiculous levels.
As it stands these guys are making more than doctors and lawyers. You’re basically going to side with what you feel is right on this one. I believe that the NFL has made the game what it is today and the players are replaceable and over paid. I’ll agree that the owners are greedy – but they’re businessmen who, through smart business and investment, have grown their business successfully.
I guess for me its simple – if I go out on a limb financially and risk a significant amount of money I believe I deserve to be rewarded more so for being successful.
And realistically how many of these players would be employed if the NFL didn’t exist? How many would have gone to college? Lets not forget that the NFL provides some (not all) players the opportunity to be successful when some of them would have had very few options if it didn’t exist. They are blessed with physical gifts and all of them have worked extremely hard to get where they are, but you’d be foolish if you didn’t believe that many of them got through school on the back of their skills on the field.
Good business should be rewarded as such and its fairly obvious that some teams have been hit pretty hard due to the recent economy. Empty stadium seats. Blackouts. Lay offs. The list goes on and on.
Someone made the analogy that this is an argument between spoiled rich kids and their parents. I would concur with that statement.
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I agree
I hope you know I was being sarcastic :)
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by the new Bradfather on Mar 19, 2011 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
except the owners
aren’t generally risking squat.
taxplayer dollars and TV revenues cover their 2 biggest costs in many cases (stadium building and player salaries), so where is the big risk? While stadium revenues and maintenance can vary between teams (leading to rich/poor franchises), the core costs/revenues are largely covered by the league as a whole and public.
I just don’t see this huge risk the owners are taking… basically anybody with enough money to get in the game is guarunteed a profit… the only question is how big.
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DeMaurice Smith
is the Antichrist and to appease the football gods, he must be sacrificed. Get him out of the proceedings and things can get done rather quickly.
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by the new Bradfather on Mar 19, 2011 11:25 AM MDT reply actions
Salary Cap
Great analysis. Thank you. One thought – If team were under the salary cap before, they likely will be under it in the future, so there is nothing misleading about using the cap, unless you think all teams will pay up to the cap in the future even though they did not before.
Demonizing Owners
is easy. Take a look at history. In 06 it was the owners who caved to allow football to continue even though both sides would say that the CBA deal in 06 was very pro player. The owners agreed so there would not be a work stoppage. The players know that they got a sweet deal in 06. Now with the economy in the tank and attendance down at stadiums, the owners decide to opt out of the CBA because the economic future in this country is so uncertain. Unlike the owners who were willing to do the best thing for football in the long run back in 06, it is the NFLPA who is refusing to do what is best the game now. Many Americans have either had to lose their jobs or asked to take cuts in pay or benefits, why should NFL players be immune?! Answer: They shouldn’t!
by Adam Manter on Mar 19, 2011 1:52 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
i think
there is a 75 precent chance of some missed games 2-4 50 of 8 and 25 of no 11
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This leaves a bad taste in my mouth
Bena, you played it straight in your interview with Joe Ellis and your write-up of the conversation with Goodell. You just quoted the stuff.
DeMaurice Smith gets a turn at the mic, and you’re cutting him off to say “wait, wait wait” and import the owners’ talking points. It’s difficult to explain how bad a taste this leaves in my mouth.
by Chibronx on Mar 19, 2011 7:23 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I understand...
It might seem like I am taking sides. I was looking forward to talking with Smith. I was just surprised that he focused on the lowering of the Cap as his primary point. The letter the NFLPA sent to Roger Goodell was much better in explaining the Union’s side than what Smith talked about and helps me understand the reasons they had for walking away from the table.
What Ellis said, what Goodell said, the rhetoric has been the same. What Smith said surprised me a bit because the Cap is not the true indication of what teams spend. The floor is.
I still don’t agree with how he is coming up with his numbers, but as I have said about 1000000 times, the truth is somewhere in the middle. This thing is going to go to a court room and a judge will decide.
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"owners talking points"?..come on man you know better than that!
So Bena is not allowed to evaluate what Smith tells him without being of accused of using the “owners talking points?” If Smith is making his numbers up or focusing on something that is irrelevant we should know about it. Neither the owners or Smith or the players should just be able to give you their side without being challenged with actual facts. John has it right, it appears that De Smith wanted this thing to go to court and in that sense I guess his side is winning so far. IMO De Smith and the rest of the players are going to harm football in the long term especially the way this economy has been going. I don’t know about any of the rest of you, but I am having more trouble these days finding money available to use to purchase any tickets or merchandise. I suspect that I am not alone.
I'm with you...
My son and I were always able to get down to San Diego to see the Broncos game up until the past couple of years when money is much tighter and the ticket prices kept creeping up.
I would like to think that I’ll be able to see a Broncos game live again at some point
Maybe after the Jaguars move to LA, seats will be cheap?
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by DesertBroncoFan on Mar 20, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
A very wise man once said...
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics…
Sir Winston Churchill
I work with numbers alot, and they can be made to tell whatever story you want them to. Take each statistic with a grain of salt and a heaping tablespoon of scepticism.
START HIRING REPLACEMENT PLAYERS
My Son played in the NFL and suffers from injuries incurred, however, we are all tired of multi-millionaires bickering over multi-billions and charging the fans more and more
every year. No consideration is given to the fans, if the teams are making so much money perhaps lowering the price of game tickets and concessions is the solution.
Start over and let the NFLPA sit and watch their money go down the drain.
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the team and became starters after the strike broke. Sometimes you
make bad business decisions and have to suffer the consequences!
Replacement players could end the career of many of the present players.
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