Duh...Winning
Look, everyone needs to back up for a minute, climb the ladder, and look at the Broncos from 1000 feet away.
Yeah, QBs are the most visible and high profile players in any sport. And having Tebow on the roster, especially, makes it hard to think about other things beyond the QB situation. But we have no idea if Tebow is good, great, or crappy. NO IDEA. How could we?
Well, here’s what we do know:
We know that Denver was a top 10 passing team last year. Sure, that was mostly in McD’s offense, but Denver did just fine in the passing game last year in the big picture. However, Denver couldn’t run for #@#% last year. They were a bottom 7 rushing team. So that needs work. On the other hand, Denver’s Defense wasn’t as duplicitous. They just plain sucked. They ranked bottom 8 in passing yards allowed and second to last in rushing yards allowed.
So Denver’s offense isn’t in the same HOLY $#@% shape that the Defense is in, but the running offense needs work. And the Defense literally needs to be reconfigured and built from scratch. The project on defense is at least a 2 YEAR PROJECT.
Here is what I think :
Doom is back. That’s huge for the defense.
And we’re going to a 4-3. That’s better for the personnel we have. That said, we'll spend 50% of the time in Nickel anyway, so let's not bunch up our undies over defensive configurations.
There are AWESOME blue-chip DT’s ripe for the picking at #2, which is wonderful considering that I don’t think that Denver has 2 starter caliber DTs ON THE ROSTER TODAY.
We still have Champ, Dawk, Hill, Goody, and Cox (cue Law & Order sound) or Syd in the secondary, meaning that we don’t HAVE TO draft a DBack in the 1st round or maybe even the second round.
We still have DJ, but we do need to fill our other 2 LB spots. Who knows, maybe Mays wins the MLB role and Haggan wins a rotational spot, but I’d say that Denver needs at least 1 LB in the draft and 1 in FA.
On offense, we need a real pro (like our new OL coach) to evaluate Walton, Beadles, and Harris. Denver may need 1 to 2 new players on the line. I hope at least 1 is a FA who is a known quantity because we need an INSTANT OL upgrade.
At RB, Denver needs a legit starting caliber RB who is a KNOWN quantity. DeAngelo? Gawd, I sure hope so. But I’m not drafting a RB if I’m Denver, I'm adding a FA.
At WR Denver seems solid.
At QB, Denver needs evaluation and time. Orton’s not worth ~$9M this year if he’s gone next season, and barring catastrophic career ending injuries to all other QBs on the roster, I doubt Orton is a Bronco in 2012. So, trading Orton before the season is highly likely, even if that means for a roster player or a 2012 pick. Either way is fine by me. Its not like we’re gonna win the SB this year - we need players next offseason too. Tebow needs to play in live action so we can see if he's any good. And yes - he has to do a better job in the passing game to prove that he belongs in the league. Accuracy is easily excused only playing 3 games (Elway stearted 10 games as a rookie and completed 47.8% of his passes), but it must improve 5 to 10 points. As far as the depth chart for the QB goes: who cares! Quinn is a career backup. I’m not shocked if Denver drafts a backup QB with upside seeing as how Quinn has NONE. The top flight QBs in the 2011 NFL draft are ABSOUTELY NOT more of a sure thing than Tebow. Why waste a top choice on that? You don't. I'm not even entertaining that discussion. Because it's STUPID.
Here’s a statement that I believe: Tebow is PROBABLY NOT an elite QB.
But I don’t know that. In fact, I hope he is because I want my kids to grow up and idolize a dude like him, rather than a smug whiner like Cutty or a nutjob like VY. Bur more importantly, I don't want my kid to come home from school asking for a Mark Sanchez jersey someday because the Jets are good and the Broncos suck. We all like winning. Its harder to watch a guy you like lose than it is to watch a guy that you don't care about win.
In the long run, Denver needs to work their way into a position where the defense if good to great and they can run the ball consistently and especially in short yardage situations. Teams like the Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Jets, and Bears are good most every year because they play good (or better) D and can run the ball with consistency. We’ll figure out the QB spot when we figure it out. It’s ABSOLUTELY NOT the most imporatant thing.
And don't give me the line of BS that 'Look at all the playoff teams, they all have good QBs'. What makes a Qb 'good'? Duh, Winning (Thanks Charlie Sheen). If the QB is a starter for a playoff team and they get there most years, yes, that QB will be considered 'good'. But, let me ask you this: Is Mark Sanchez good? Is Eli Manning good? Is Jay Cutler good? Is Matt Cassell good?
Sure, Manning and Brady are REALLY good but...
Manning is a once in lifetime kind of player. Denver will never have Peyton Manning. Or anything like him. He was the obvious #1 pick. The Colts HAD to take him. They deserve NO credit for drafting Manning. If the Colts deserve anything, it’s consternation for their lack of Super Bowls. They have not done an adequate job of putting together a strong enough team or coaching staff to rival Bellichick, Tomlin, or even Ryan. Denver isn’t getting a Peyton Manning anytime soon. The chances Denver gets a Manning someday are like BFSD's lottery odds.
And Brady was pure effing luck. He magically turned into the modern Joe Montana. Argue system all you want, but he’s very, very good and pretty clutch. Denver isn’t getting a Brady anytime soon. Same odds.
Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers are very good NFL QBs, but they were excellent college QBs (Duh). Its rare (but not as rare as finding a Manning or Brady) to have a QB in this mold. Elway was in this mold. The best Tebow will ever be is in this mold. And that’s good enough for me. But to be successful with QBs in this mold, you MUST MUST MUST have at VERY LEAST an elite Running Game or Defense or Both!
Look at Elway. The AFC was AWFUL in the 80’s. But he was good enough to get them through the playoffs but when they played teams that were actually talented and well coached, they got dominated. It wasn’t until Denver had a decent defense and a dominant running game that Elway won a ring. The last time Denver was 'good'? They had a very good D and a very good running game. And Jake Plummer. Big Ben isn’t good enough to win without a great D and a good running game. Big Ben didn't win those 2 rings by himself, in fact in 2006 he was GAWD AWFUL in that Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers isn’t good enough to win a ring without that defense GB had this year. And Cutler sure as $#@& isn’t good enough on his own to get a team to a NFC Championship without that Defense. Eli isn’t even close to good enough to win the ring he won in 2007 without that running game and that defense, and the same goes for the Ravens. I’m not sure Flacco’s even good enough for that team to reach the height that they want to reach before their defense completely crumbles (and it is definitely showing cracks).
The Steelers/Packers/Bears/Giants/Ravens model is the one that John Fox intends to build. Good running team, good defense, and hopefully a good QB can be added to the mix. That’s the easiest path to continuous success in the NFL. Not the Pats or the Colts model. That’s super-rare and a lot of little things need to go right/wrong to end up where those two franchises have been and I’m not betting that Denver ends up like those two teams. The probability is astronomically low that Denver ends up like the Pats or Colts.
So lets root for Denver to be a consitent playoff team. They can make sure they are consistent by building a good defensive team and a strong running game. It's do-able.
I know we all man crush on QBs, but like I said above, the players available in the draft this year at QB are no more of a sure thing than a guy we already have under contract. Denver will have to find 'that guy' in the future if our current guy isn't 'it'. That's how it works. You can't forego building a team because you're looking for a franchise QB.
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I think you have to start putting Rodgers with Brady and Manning. The guy is very elite and can cut a D apart with razor sharp passing.
Rodgers is looking a lot like Steve Young
In terms of passing, not as much the legs. Both Young and Rodgers are both highly accurate and rarely make mistakes. But I wouldn’t put Rodgers there yet, he’s just below with guys like Rivers.
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Rodgers is good
but he needs to keep it going if hes good next year and the year after Ill put him with Brady and Manning and if we pla Tebow and be patient with him he will be our version of BIG BEN only faster
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yeah
and more ethical than Ben as well.
I disagree on Rodgers, I think he has arrived.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
In fact
all things considered I think I would take him over any other QB in the league. The boy is Money!
Love ARodg too
But lets see him geet deep into the playoffs one more time. He has top 3 written all over him though, right?
Would you put Ben with Brady & Manning? He has 2 more recent rings than Brady OR Manning!
Tough call.
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I wouldnt put Ben there
I think Ben belongs on the next tier down though with guys like Phillis (ick) and… drawing a blank here. Rodgers is 6 years younger than Brady and 7 younger than Manning. That is the key here, I believe he will get more rings. What he did with a beat up team… Man, very impressive. It made it easy to decide who to go for in the SB. Much respect for him.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 23, 2011 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess manning won in 07, Ben in 06
QB records since 2000 in super bowls:
Rodgers 1-0*D
Dilfer 1-0*D
Brees 1-0
Johnson 1-0*D
E. Manning 1-0*D&R
Brady 3-1
Big Ben 2-1*D&R
P. Manning 1-1
Warner 1-2
McNair 0-1*D&R
Collins 0-1*D
Gannon 0-1
Delhomme 0-1*D&R
Hasselbeck 0-1*R
Grossman 0-1*D
McNabb 0-1*D
To my post’s point, 16 QBs have played in the SB since 2000. WIthout counting Brees, Brady, Manning or Warner’s teams (accounting for 10 SB’s – w/ a 6-4 record) ALL of the other Qbs in the Super Bowl (winners and losers) ALL except Gannon played on a team that had a very good D and/or a very good running game.
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I wouldn't put Ben with Brady and Manning
In terms of jewerly sure, but his play is no where near their level, he couldn’t win a game in the playoffs without a defense.
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Yep- me too
That was my point.
Rodgers is close. Rivers won’t ever do anything unless he has an elite D AND a plus running game.
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I do think Rivers is a great QB
Not Manning or Brady great, but I mean he’s accurate, doesn’t make mistakes and plays smart. I hate him for being a Charger, but having seen him play enough, I logically can’t deny his ability. Having a great team around him helps a lot in terms of wins, a team stat, but even his personal success is pretty great. Now I doubt he will ever get a ring or a have a lot of playoff success, but he’s still one of the top 10 QB’s in the league in my opinion. Rodgers I’d put in my top 5.
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Rivers is almost great
He still makes bad throws, but who doesn’t.
In a weird way, Tebow actually sorta reminds me of Rivers. Of course, Tebow can move a lot better, but when they are moving in the pocket and throw, the ball comes out so funky. Tebow’s motion is quite a bit longer than Phil’s, though. Phil has a fast as hell release. He throws the ball like a little kid (I think he learned to throw a big College ball as a little kid and kept the motion).
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Rivers biggest issue in the draft was his release
But he worked hard to fix it while on the bench, and when it was time to start, he was ready game 1. Rivers did do a little piece on NFL Network saying that Tebow will be able to succeed in the NFL is he compact his release, and uses himself as an example. Who’d have thought Rivers would be backing a Bronco.
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Rivers hated Cutler
not the Broncos. I now side with Phillip.
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I agree with you there
But Rivers has beaten us more times then I care to admit, and while I’ll be one of the first to defend him, someone beats my Broncos, I don’t care to much for them.
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Yeah...
Now that Cutler has been revealed it is a lot easier to not hate Rivers.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 23, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Eh, I still hate him
He just has company now.
If I had a dollar for every Super Bowl San Diego has won, I'd go window shopping at the dollar store.
yeah
I still hate Rivers and Cutler can go #$@! himself. I just dont hate Rivers quite as much.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Rivers did learn that way
he also speaks Highly of Tebow saying it was hard for him at first too but Tim can adapt like he did!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats cuz yall dont undestand the POWER of a QB that can run with the ball
It adds a whole new Dimension to an offense regular offense its drop back 1.2.3. throw or hand ball off you add the 1.2.3. cant find anything run with a running QB all Tebow needs is some traditional learning LOL about the drop back read and throw and he will be so dangerous imagine Tebow on the Jake the snake Bootleg plays drop back and one of our guys fails a block with Tebow under center it wont be such an automatic sack anymore
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Of course we understand..
…the POWER of a QB that can run with the ball. We all grew up watching Elway! I like your point though!
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I understand how much grammer matters
I also realize that I’ll take Manning, Brady, or Brees over any running QB in the league today. Does it at a side that is fun to watch, yes, is it required to be great, no way. Almost any QB in the “greatest ever” discussion were pure passers or became pure passers at the end of their careers, like Elway. Also, statements saying that sacks will go down with Tebow, I make a prediction, Tebow will take more sacks per drop back then average. Want to know why? Because quarterbacks like that, McNabb, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, all take a lot of sacks, so will Tebow. He will make plays with his legs, which is good, but if you expect sacks to go down, you might want to do some research.
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Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton, Elway, Cunningham, Roger Staubach...
There are quite a few elite QB’s that were great scramblers. Will it sustain them for an entire career? Doubtful. Look at McNabb.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Tarkenton, really
And Cunningham, Elway and Staubach reached their greatest heights when they became passers, it’s not even close when it comes to those guys. Cunningham was exciting but only good, he became great when he moved the Vikings and became a passer, Elway’s greatest passing days was when he was only forced to run on occasion, and his greatest success, winning games and Super Bowls, came during his years that he ran the least. Young’s career was so short because while he was one of the greatest and most accurate passers ever, he ran to much, there’s a reason his career ended so soon after starting. McNabb is the perfect example, he was a running but openly made the effort to become a passer not a runner.
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by Topher Doll on Mar 25, 2011 12:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Thus the statement
“Will it sustain them for an entire career? Doubtful.” Although I do think it helps them survive some of the rebuilding times while keeping their jobs.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 25, 2011 7:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Rodgers has had...
O-Line problems for the last couple of years. He is running for his life half the time!
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
So, history says sacks happen to this type of QB
Rodgers is just one example. Big Ben and McNabb have had great lines, same with guys like both Youngs, Cunningham, and many other mobile quarterbacks.
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by Topher Doll on Mar 25, 2011 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont think Rodgers is a good example.
He is an unbelievable Pocket passer and runs smart. The O’line really has been a problem.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 25, 2011 7:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I have never Rec'd BEFORE commenting
until now. You hit the nail on the head over and over and over. All my thoughts in black and white. About half way I stopped, scrolled up to see who the ef wrote this. Great job 7.
A little nasty on defense is nice.
I can't believe how we completely abandoned what made us decent under Shanny
We had a solid rushing attack and perrenial top 10 defenses in the earlier part of the decade, and look where we are now. Amazing. Bottom of the league in both. Dark days. Dark. Days.
Bleed(ing out) the Orange and Blue
Time to focus on the future
Denver has been AWFUL for my money since 2005.
I want Denver to win a SB by 2015. It could happen.
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You think our running game was solid in 2008?
And the fact Shanny was the one who ruined the defense, McD just didn’t fix it. These are dark days though.
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The pleasure of winning
Is ALWAYS sweeter when your lows are this low.
We’ll get there someday. And we’ll appreciate it accordingly.
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by super7 on Mar 23, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, can't wait to win again
Heck, after this season, 8-8 would be an improvement.
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I would love 8 and 8
If you look at fox’s history and develop a pattren we should go 12-4 and lose the superbowl this year
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I wouldn't mind that at all
But I seriously doubt that will happen.
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Its Fox's curse dude SB one year the next year horrible and it keeps going back and forth
on one year off the next and so on
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I think it is more of a sign
of the bad ownership in Carolina.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 24, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just referring to the consecutive no name thousand yard rushers we've had
Portis
Gary
Anderson
TD
Maybe Griffin- not entirely sure on him
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Mar 23, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh yea, in the early 2000, we had no trouble running
But by 2007 and 2008, the running game was going down hill.
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And it ended with a crash
our RBs were glass in 08’, it was ridiculous.
Yea didnt we go through something like 7 of them
Ridonkulous is more like it
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I wouldn't go that far
Shanny had his brilliance but towards the middle of this decade he really started showing fatigue!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions
You could argue
That Shanny was best as a “closer”, not a “builder”.
Reeves/Phillips drafted & signed most of those players. Shanahan plugged the personnel holes and got lucky w/ TD.
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Agreed, I really think Phillips personnel moves
Really paid off down the line. I do think Shanny is a great coach, but he does have his fair share of struggles.
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I will buy that
My opinion of Shannahan is that he is a great coach and can get the most out of his offense but that he needs a good defensive coordinator and front office to get it done!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2011 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
The thing with Shanny...
Is that Shanahan was the mastermind when he had a great running attack AND a very good passing attack.
Shanny took over for Denver just as the 2nd iteration of Free Agency was taking shape. A lot of coaches/GMs weren’t aggressive with it. And osme were, but they brought in the highest profile guys for crazy money. But Shanny understood it very well. He realized that older/experienced players who were well regarded in the league were worth the premium because they are instant known quantities and may just need a change of scenery. It wasn’t about the money. Clearly there was so much deferred salary that eventually Shanny & Bowlen got slapped with a fine.
Shanny understood the nuances of the ecomonmics of the mid 1990’s better than any coach. And then he hit the lottery with Terrell Davis. TD was the reason Denver was able to do what it did. Without him, the defense wouldn’t have gotten so much rest. Without him, Elway wouldn’t have been able to carry a team to 1 ring, let alone 2.
Elway, Shanny, Neil Smith, Big Al, Darrien Gordon, Atwater, Nalen and the rest of them owe a debt of gratitude to Terrell Davis. Sure, maybe that O-Line would have paved the way for Rod Bernstein or someone else just the same way they did it for TD, but we don’t and CAN’T know that.
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I subscribe to that theory
TD is my favorite player of all time!
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by Jon Tollerud on Mar 23, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Do you forget how Shanny used to sign guys off the street and make them into good RBs?
Im mean come on guys
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There are different ways to win.
Some teams win consistently by defense. Smother the other team to the point where they can’t score any points and you will tend to win even without a decent offense. Think of the Bears a few years back, or the Ravens.
Other teams win by offense. They don’t wory so much about defense because their offenst can put up 35+ points on anyone, even the elite defenses. They win because no one can keep up with their scoring pace. The Colts in Manning’s prime, the Patriots in Brady’s prime, or the great Rams and 49ers teams of the past are good examples.
Perhaps harder to do, but in my mind a more entertaining approach is to play all aspects of the game well. A decent defense, a good if not great offense, and solid special teams play can win a lot of games. Our own Broncos the last few years of Elway’s tenure were a fine example. While it is easy to load up one side of the team or ther other with top flight talent, it is harder to build up all aspects of the team. Most teams have only a few real stars, and spreading them out over all three aspects of the game puts them few and far between. To succeed at this, you must have great coaches who provide schemes that get the most out of the talent they have, especially out of their journeyman players. A bit of luck (no, not him) is also necessary in that your better players need to stay healthy and you need to get lucky on some of your later round draft choices and free agent signings. If you miss more than you hit, like Shanahan in his last several years, then you simply fade into mediocrity.
The question, Broncos fans, is what type of team do we want? We all want to win, but do we want to be like the Ravens (all defense all the time), the Colts (light em up, baby), or our own beloved team of the late 90s (This One’s for John!)? I vote for the latter.
The Broncos in 1997 and 1998 won by running game
Denver’s defense was good in 1997/1998 like the Saints defense was good 2 years ago. They were almost always winning and once you got behind, the stranglehold just kept getting tighter. They would force other teams to throw too much and usually it’d end up leading to INTs.
Denver’s D was NOT elite in the late 1990’s. It was good, but not great. In 97 Denver’s D was 5th in pts allowed, 6th in yards allowed. In 98 it was 8th in pts allowed, 11th in yds allowed.
And really, I wouldn’t argue that their passing game was elite either. In 97 John’s completion % was a shade over 55% and he threw 27 TDs to 11 INTS. The next year, Denver threw it a little less even. Mostly bc they didn’t have to. TD ran for 2000 plus yards.
TD played in 8 posteseason games ever. In 7 he rushed for over 100 yds (E. Smith is tied w/ him for the all time record). Those 7 were consecutive (another record). Best of all, TD has the alltime postseason record for yards per carry. 5.59 - FIVE POINT FIVE-NINE YARDS A CARRY in his 8 games. The next on the list is Marcus Allen at 5.04. Wow. Just WOW! Oh yeah, and nobody except for TD- has ever rushed for 3 TDs in a Super Bowl.
TD was awesome.
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Oh yeah and
TD is in the top 25 (close to top 10) all time CAREER Yards Per Carry average
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not top 10 - close to top 20 All time
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Great Info
We need to get him in the HOF.
by MTBroncosFan on Mar 23, 2011 3:08 PM MDT up reply actions
That was my pointq
When Denver had their great success in the late 90s they were good but not great in all aspects of the game. The did not have the dominating defense of the great Bears teams, nor the light it up offenses of the “Greatest show on Turf” or the Colts or Pats at their prime. What Denver did have on offense was a QB who had the competitive spirit and will to win (sound familiar?) and a cram it down your throat running game. Shanahan used to say that he let teams choose their poison: Stop Elway and Davis would kill you, or the other way around.
My own preference is to root for that type of team. Teams that are very one sided, like the Ravens or Colts, are just not as exciting to me as a former coach to watch. I like to see teams play offense, defense, and special teams rather than put all their effort into only one.
I vote for the latter 2
I think thats what the 3 horseman(Elway, Xanders, Fox) are trying 2 do
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I think you build your team around your QB's talent and abilities.
I believe you don’t need a great QB to be a Super-Bowl winning team. Was T.Dilfer a great QB, hell was he even a good QB? While Cassel get use as a example of a crap QB he went 10-6 last year because of the team around him, and just imagine what he could do with a couple more viable options at WR and a few more upgrades on the o-line. The Broncos went 4-12 last year and you could say Orton lost 4 of those games but the other 8 where on the defense. With a good defense that would be the difference in a 4-12 to a 12-4 season with Orton at QB.
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by CPT.Caveman on Mar 23, 2011 3:13 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Well...
The body of your post makes sense – but the title doesn’t. You build your team regardless of whether you have a QB. When the QB comes along (or rises to the level of the team), you are primed for a long run of success.
I’d disagree on the last few sentences though.
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I don't think Cassell will ever be elite but I think he is making strides and that's what you want to see in your QB.
I think he’ll be consistently good, and like you said, if they get a couple of WR for him and a little better on D you’ll be perennial playoff contenders with him.
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by BroncoMath101 on Mar 23, 2011 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree Cassel will never be close to elite.
But he will be solid and take care of the ball. The Chiefs just need to get a good #2 WR this year as well as a Center to replace Weigmann and a upgrade a RT and where very close on offense.
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Ya give Tebow some time to make strides he already has sense college and he only played 3 games
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Good points.
I think we can be perennial playoff contenders with Tebow at the helm so long as he shows improvement over a full season. If we can get our running game and D built up like you said there is no doubt this can happen.
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Me too.
Stop the run on D and run the clock on O. Tebow has more than enough and Elway knows it. Head games going on right now and even most fans are second guessing saying shit maybe we are looking for a QB.
A little nasty on defense is nice.
I think the Broncos could and will win with either QB.
What I’m say is if your QB is a ball control type you draft Possession type WR’s. If you have a QB the has a strong arm and can wing it down the field you draft speed WR’s. Cassel is not a deep threat QB so it would make no sense to draft deep threat WR’s and that’s what i mean by building a team around your QB or at least building your offense.
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by CPT.Caveman on Mar 23, 2011 3:30 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree, and at this point in time
Denver’s WR set is one that can go either way. Brandon Lloyd has proven that he can be a Brandon Marshall type possession guy (sans punting skills, McDonalds bags, etc) or he can be a pure speed guy. Last season, he did it all.
I’m really excited about the prospects Denver has at WR, because that’s one position I feel they strongly excel. The receivers we have now can really help a young guy like Tebow get familiarized with his brand of NFL football, while giving him the abilities to be a little more liberal with the ball.
Denver needs to let Tebow learn and make his mistakes now, with the solid WR group that’s in place. It’s the best situation he could possibly be in and I hope EFX realizes that. Orton is fine, but he doesn’t strike me as the type to take charge of his guys and towards the end of his season last year, his accuracy and confidence were nonexistent. That’s alarming. I want a quarterback that can shake off the pressure, not be consumed by it.
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If we add a QB in the draft this year (I hope we don't) I hope it's McElroy in the later rounds.
I think he’s a bit small but he is smart and played for a pro style team at BAMA and did very well against SEC talent. If we can pick up a 4th and take him with it I wouldn’t mind one bit. I’m not sure he’ll fall past the 3rd though.
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McElroy would
be a good pick up just in case Quinn walks next year.
A little nasty on defense is nice.
Quinn should walk.
Right into the unemployment line… or an Abercrombie photo shoot. He seems like a nice enough fellow, but he really needs to focus on being as good as he possibly can. His services might be required next year at some point (especially if Orton goes), and I don’t want a Chris Simms 2.0.
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A draft of Dareus, M Wilson and Peae with our current picks in round 1 and 2 would make me a very happy guy.
There will be a lot of good RBs in UFA (Ronnie Brown, Sproles, D Williams, Ricky Williams, etc). Good call on signing one of these players.
I watched Beadles a lot last year and I think he is pretty good and he really showed a lot of improvement (I was pissed about that pick so I went in with a bad attitude). Walton needs a real coach, not some TE guy that did a terrible job in 2010.
We do need to figure out a way to address the TE spot. The combo of Rich Quinn and the only untalented Gronk gives Denver the worst duo of TEs of any team in the NFL over the last decade.
Kyle Orton is currently one of the ten most talented Denver Broncos. And that is precisely the problem and why he shouldn’t start in 2011. We are rebuilding from the very bottom so that = Tebow.
Agree with everything except Martez Wilson. i think he is a physical freak with bad instincts.
His game tape is not very good and his speed doesn’t seem to translate onto the field. He had a stellar combine and some team will reach for him but I don’t think he’s worth even one of our second rounders at this point.
I really hope we can come away with Dareus and Paea though.
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by BroncoMath101 on Mar 24, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions
The TE thing will be interesting
Fox took a beating in Carolina over his TE usage/personnel. I hate the idea of bringing in Jeff King as a FA. Fox will want a blocker at TE who can get into space and beat a safety with his body, not his legs.
That type of player is rare though. Think about it; what TEs were both good blockers AND effective and consistent receivers? Barvaro, young Dan Graham, Novacek, I’m sure there are others. That said, if Fox has to err on one side or the other (blocker or receiver), Fox goes with the blocker every time.
I hope that Fox can find a way to threaten the middle zone of the field better in Denver. The Broncos used to do really well in the short and mid-middle of the field (Sharpe, Carswell, Chaimberlain (HOUSE!), Clark, Graham for like 2 years) but it’s been years since Denver had a viable threat at TE within 4-10 yards.
I can’t imagine that Denver foes into week 1 with the same brutal junior varsity depth chart at TE.
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HIGHLY doubt it
If Quinn had redeeming qualities, we’d probably know by now.
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