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First Chance at a Mock

Finally got a chance to post one of my mock drafts, so have at it Mile High.

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Before I get to draft and my off-season, a little explanation behind my choices

The Future of Kyle Orton(Future of the CBA)

Kyle Orton will be a Bronco in 2012. Period. A good friend of mine who's currentlya free agent has told me that right now the feeling among the players around the league is that a new CBA won’t get done until August or even September. Unless something miraculous happens and a new CBA gets done before the draft, Orton isn’t going anywhere. Besides the uncertainty of the CBA, I want Orton to start this next season. Tebow is the future, I agree with that, but I think he needs to sit at least one more year to continue to polish up his mechanics and become accustomed to the NFL, along with the new offense.

 

The Future of Ryan Harris

I don’t address the offensive line this year because if the Broncosbring back Harris, which I believe they should, they endup with one of the best young offensive lines in the NFL. Ryan Clady and RyanHarris are bookend tackles, and bookend tacklesaren't easy to find. When Harris was at his best back in 2008, his last full season, he allowed 2.5 sacks the ENTIRE SEASON. Between him and Clady, the two gave up a combined three sacks. In a zone-blocking scheme, the two Ryans are some of the best tackles in the NFL, and that's a combination that needs to be kept intact. If the front office still has concerns, then a veteran in free agency would be the best option.

 

The Future of Champ Bailey (Future of the Secondary)

Like most of Bronco nation, I was ecstatic to hear the Bailey was resigned. However, I was a bit surprised at the number of years. Don't get me wrong, I love knowing Bailey will be with us for the near future, but I will be surprised if Bailey plays all four years. I think the longevity of his contract shows that the eventual plan is to move Bailey to safety. Most people think he'll be moved to free safety, but what about strong safety?  The majority of pass defense in the 4-3 is Cover-2, so Bailey would have the same assignments as a free safety just on the strong side of the field, and would be more active in the run game. Bailey's already avid in run support from the corner position, so I think strong safety is the better position. That leaves the free safety as the primary hole in the secondary, because I think Dawkins will play strong this year.

 

So going into the draft (and hopefully free agency) these are the needs I see in the Broncos-

1. Defensive Line: The Broncos have one true playmaker on the D-Line, and that's a Dumervil returning from an injury. Outside of Dumervil we have a lot of backups and question marks. We need Day 1 starters and impact players across the defensive line.

2. Safety: At safety we haveDarcel McBath(injure-prone), Brian Dawkins(aging), Renaldo Hill(done), and David Bruton(special teams only). I think Dawkins has one more year left in him, at least I hope so, and he can be a one year stopgap at the either of the safety positions, most likely strong safety. That leaves Darcel McBath at free safety. We need some new blood at both safety positions.

3. Linebacker (SAM): From what I've been hearing andseeing around the internet, the plan for the Broncos right now is for D.J. to play the weakside, and Joe Mayswill be given a chance to start at the middle linebacker position. D.J. is a solid 4-3 linebacker and he's back at his best position. Mays is a good young talent who has th skill to be starter, so I think the Broncos will pass on an inside linebacker this year. However, we still have a big hole at the strongside position that needs to be addressed.

4. Running Back:Fox is a coach who likes having a two-headed monster at running back. We currently have the talented but injury prone Knowshon, anda bunch of backups. Look for Fox to find his guy to complement Moreno and reestablish the Broncos once fearsome running game.

5. Tight End: WithDaniel Graham gone, the Broncos are left with Dan Gronkowski and Richard Quinn. A cheap replacement will be found.

Depth: Always a good (and necessary) thing.

The Draft

1st Round-2nd Overall: Von Miller LB/DE Texas A&M

 

Yes, I'm on the Von Miller train. The reason I have him over Dareusisbecause of the depth of this year's defensive tackle class. There'senough talent available in Round 2 andeven Round 3 to warrant waiting here. Also, while taking Dareus would immediately fill our biggest need, Miller fills two positions of lesser need, the strongside linebacker and pass-rushing defensive end. He'll play a similar role to that of Kamerion Wimbley of the Raiders, but I think Miller can even be better than that.

2nd Round-36th Overall: Aaron Williams FS/CB Texas

Williams gives the an aging secondary some new blood, and some flexibilty. As I mentioned in the Bailey section, I believe Bailey's skill set makes him best-suited at strong safety, and a combination of of Bailey/Williams combination would be an excellent safety tandem. There's another reason as well. What if Darcel McBath is finally able to stay healthy and proves himself as a bonafide starting starting free safety? If that's the case, then Williams becomes Bailey's replacement at corner. Either way, Aaron Williams potentially becomes either our free safety of the future or Bailey's eventual replacement.

2nd Round-36th Overall: Marvin Austin DT North Carolina

I think everyone knows the story. He's a first-round talent who's suspension took him out for the season. His loss is our gain. He's the best player available at our biggest position of need. Enough said.

3rd Round-69th Overall: Jarvis Jenkins DT/DE Clemson

Back to back on defensive line. A big reason for DeQuan Bowers production this past season was the play of Jarvis Jenkins. He's a big man who demands double-teams and has the athleticism to play defensive tackle and defensive end. The front office may believe Dumervilcanbe an every down player, I'm skeptical, but even if it does happen it won't happen in one year. Jenkins can rotate with Dumervil on run downs and sub in at tackle on passing downs.

6th Round-186th Overall: Shiloh Keo SS/ST Idaho

 

Another player who's gained some popularity on Mile High Report, Shiloh Keois an excellent depthplayer with starter potential. I think of it this way. If Bailey does move to strong safety, Keo will his backup and eventually replace him. If Bailey moves to free safety, then Keo can start at strong ASAP. Either way, Keo's a great value at this point in the draft and in my opinion will be a future starter.

6th Round-189th Overall: Charles Clay H-Back Tulsa

Fox loves having these versatile H-Backs (see Brad Hoover) and he gets his guy here in the 6th.

The 7this impossible to predict, so I'm sure we'll see some no name or value guy to provide some depth

Free Agency

RB DeAngelo Williams

The Panthers seem to have no interest in bringing Williams back, so Fox brings one his premier guys with him to Denver. We suddenly have one of the best running back tandems in the NFL. Nice.

 TE Jeff King

A prototypical Fox tight end. Solid, unspectacular, and can do everything Fox asks. Another Panthers comes to Denver.

So whatcha ya think?

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Don’t like Orton starting. I don’t care if it is Quinn just get that guy outta here. We have seen his best and its not very good. I would rather have Dareus and then the best available LB in the third round. Would be more pumped on Miller if still playing 3-4. Like the rest.

by rc117 on Mar 28, 2011 7:22 PM MDT reply actions  

You'd rather have Quinn over Orton?

I think bias now overwhelms fact at that statement. I want Tebow to start, but the fact that Quinn is getting praise is almost shocking.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Mar 28, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would rather have Quinn start too.

Starting Orton is not going to do ANYTHING for this team.

If we start Quinn we’ll at least find out if he is worth resigning next year. He’s a guy who had plenty of potential, but lost his confidence in Cleveland. I would rather give him a try and see what he is capable of then starting Orton.

I can’t think of one good thing that would come from starting Orton in 2011.

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by Nick Cast on Mar 28, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank You Nick

At least Quinn could provide some mobility instead of just falling down when a defender comes close to breaking through the line. I don’t to get to high on him cause I think Tebow should play the whole year so we can see what we have. If he don’t work out move him to h-back next and look for new guy unless which I don’t think will happen. I believe anybody who puts that much into it and works as hard as he does will succeed regardless of what they are doing. Another thing I am asking a question so please correct me if i am wrong, as far as Von Miller goes. Isn’t he projected as a SAM? Doesn’t the SAM come out in nickel situations. Why would Denver draft a two down player 2nd overall? I know you could move him to DE in nickel, but don’t we already have that guy in Dume?

by rc117 on Mar 28, 2011 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

The reason people like Miller at number 2

Is because he plays SAM on 1st and 2nd down and pass rusher on 3rd down. Most people feel a pass rusher is really high on the team’s list of needs since Dr. Doom is coming back from a full season off from injury and nobody seemed to be able to sack the quarterback this year. If Doom doesn’t come back as the sack master he was or he gets injured again most people see us as being up a s**t creek without a paddle.

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by BroncoFaithful on Mar 30, 2011 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wow, I can't think of one good thing for starting Quinn

At least with Orton’s many flaws, we are going to win more games, as for Quinn potential, he had about as much as Derek Anderson had, and neither player is going to do much in this league. Tebow should start, but if he doesn’t, it shouldn’t even be a question between Quinn and Orton.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Mar 29, 2011 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Orton won three games last year

If Orton would win more than Quinn I would still take Quinn because I would rather win two games then win three. We would then know none of them are any good and we could draft Luck #1 overall next year.

by rc117 on Mar 29, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Actually I think that you are making a common mistake

That of saying that a game is determined entirely by the QB. Here’s a little tidbit, the average amount of wins for a team that allows 29 points a game on defense is two, we had four this past season, three under Orton, one under Tebow. The fact that we doubled the average makes any argument that Orton or Tebow just sucked null, even more so considering we had zero running game. Also the fact that you want to win less games bothers me, but I’ll let it go.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Mar 29, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

At this point in time

we are rebuilding. Plain and simple. We aren’t winning any championships this year.

We need to figure out what we have on our roster going forward.

We know what we have in Orton. He’s a free agent in 2012 and we sure as hell aren’t going to resign him to a long term deal. Starting him this year delays rebuilding because you cannot rebuild with Orton. He’s not a franchise, build around me kind of player.

So yes, Quinn has sucked. Yes, he lost the job to Anderson.

and Yes, I would still rather see him out there then Orton.

He never got a good chance here in Denver and I would rather him get his shot then waste a year with Orton.

Would we win more games with Orton then Quinn? Yes.

But it’s not about winning games right now. Of course we want to win, but not at the cost of setting the franchise back in the future.

I would rather start Quinn, see what he is capable of, win 4 games, and get #7 overall draft pick in 2012 then start Orton, win 5 games and get #13 in 2012.

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by Nick Cast on Mar 29, 2011 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree wit it all Nick

Except this

We aren’t winning any championships this year.

We could. Would I bet the farm on it? No.

A little nasty on defense is nice.

by Digger24 on Mar 29, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did it. I did it.

A little nasty on defense is nice.

by Digger24 on Mar 29, 2011 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have no problem with rebuilding

But rebuilding teams don’t quit before the year starts, and if Tebow gets knocked out for the season, starting Quinn is quitting on the season. No team quits or doesn’t try, you’ll never hear a coach say they’ll put an inferier team on the field just because it’s rebuilding, you don’t hear that because if you spread that thought process into the lockerroom you do a lot of damage. Quinn isn’t a rookie, he doesn’t have some hidden power the league hasn’t seen before, and while he might have improved from his time in Cleveland.

“We know what we have in Orton. He’s a free agent in 2012 and we sure as hell aren’t going to resign him to a long term deal. Starting him this year delays rebuilding because you cannot rebuild with Orton. He’s not a franchise, build around me kind of player.”
what is said about Orton is true about Quinn, we know what we have, to say we want to see what he has is to ignore the fact he has started his fair share of games in this league. And Quinn isn’t a guy to rebuild around either, he’s only a little younger then Orton, so why is he someone who we can build around.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Mar 29, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with

everything you said about not quitting.

But I think you’re selling Quinn way too short.

How do we know what we have in him? We have never given him a chance. He played in the pre season games in which he progressed each game. We absolutely don’t know what we have. He could be a back up or he could be fantastic trade bait. He’s a hardworker and who knows what he is going to be able to do in the second year of McCoy’s system.

I don’t think we know at all what we have in Quinn.

All we have is a perception of what he is based on his time in Cleveland.

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by Nick Cast on Mar 29, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

that we know what we have with Orton. Let’s see if we can give him a decent O line for a change, and some healthy RB’s. Then we might find out what he can do.

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by bradley on Mar 29, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I made that point as a counter point to the Quinn argument. You never know what you have in a player till he steps onto the field. The Cardinal may have thought they were getting the Giant version of Kurt Warner, but instead he returned to Ram version.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Mar 29, 2011 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to have Orton as the backup to Tebow

and Quinn gone(actually never picked up in the first place). However more trash McD left behind. Quinn has a good contract for one more year and Orton doesn’t. Also, starting Tebow the last 3 games is not sitting well with Kyle. He wants out.

A little nasty on defense is nice.

by Digger24 on Mar 29, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Um

because we couldn’t trade him.

and because Champ Bailey is a one of a kind player/person. He’s one of the best Broncos of all time and he’s still performing at an elite level

Maybe that’s why we resigned Champ.

Not trading Champ does not mean we aren’t rebuilding.

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by Nick Cast on Mar 29, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

so you think they told Champ when they signed him that they wouldnt try to win for the next 3-4 years

Also what does it matter if hes a HOF player if we arent trying to win at all the next couple of years because we are rebuilding ?

He would be worth even more picks than Orton right ? If we traded both that would be a heckuva start o a nice rebuild right ?

One one hand you are so adamant about were rebuilding now were signing 30+ yr old players because they are nice people and great Broncos and we are going to rebuild around him ?

the double talking and hypocrisy that goes on with some of you is ridiculous . You have all these rules that you throw around on a whim depending on the player .

Im sure Fox and Elway soid Champ on this rebuild you are talking about LOL

by Hoopforia on Mar 31, 2011 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fantastic post, rec'd

I don’t agree with each decision, but your logic and train of thought are both easy to follow. I like most all of the guys you grabbed and the holes you filled.

My only major disagreement is with the safety position. I don’t see the justification of ranking this need over the need at linebacker. We have starters and youth as backups at the safety position; we have one starter and two others at linebacker. We have issues at safety, the issues you detailed. We agree there, I just don’t see the need being higher than at linebacker.

Taking Von Miller in the first minimized the importance of this difference.but then Aaron Williams reinforced the importance of these needs rankings. I can see taking a safety. And I can see taking a safety fairley early. I even like your idea of getting somebody versatile. But I’d go with Quinton Carter type versatility in the 3rd. He can play free safety and strong safety (he’s more projected at FS, but I see him at SS). Anyway, he can be had in the 3rd which would give us a guy like Paea/Liguit instead of Jenkins. Just my thoughts… again, great write up!

We have a starting QB and two recent first-round QBs all three on the roster; Now we're gonna reach for another 1st round QB.. a year after spending a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round pick on a QB. Yeah, you betcha.

by Rodney A on Mar 28, 2011 7:53 PM MDT reply actions  

It was alright

until you said the draft.

A little nasty on defense is nice.

by Digger24 on Mar 28, 2011 8:06 PM MDT reply actions  

Iike the mock! Rather have paea over Harris and take a cb in the 3rd.

2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!

THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!

by The 3 Amigos on Mar 28, 2011 8:36 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

First Ever Comment/Post

I’m a broncos fan at NC State University. I read all of the posts and, Cody, I agree with all of your reasoning behind this one. A couple of minor things I would change but I can’t give them away because as soon as I find time, I am going to put as much thought into a mock as I can and make one of my own.

One thing I like though, is Kyle Orton staying next year. I am a huge Tebow fan and I am sick of watching Kyle Orton underperform under pressure. However, because of his last 2 or 3 games, I believe he is undervalued in the market right now. I would love to see him traded if the value is right. Maybe if we hold onto him into the offseason or even longer, a team would get desperate and make an offer that we couldn’t refuse.

To win consistantly, we need to start thinking like a team that wins consistantly. That means we need to drop the mindset that “WE NEED A REHAUL TO WIN NOW.” What we need is to have confidence in our FO, Coaching staff, and players. This way,we can draft/sign/trade/train players with a more level sense of how they compare to the general talent pool, and avoid making rash decisions.

Living here in NC, I have watched John Fox throughout most of his career. I have had a distaste for everything about the panthers. Even when they were in the Super Bowl I believed they didn’t deserve it. But for some reason, I never once thought poorly of John Fox and it seemed like no one here ever did. I am very excited that he is with my broncos now. He is going to do great things there.

by broncosNC on Mar 28, 2011 9:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Fantastic Mock

This is exactly what I want. I would only argue that Bruce Carter in the third, but I’d be thrilled with either prospect. I think we end up with quite a few more picks than what we have currently. Somehow.

I also like Aaron Williams over Rahim Moore. He’s more versatile and seems like more of a play maker.

Hands down the best mock I’ve seen on MHR recently.

I think Orton does get traded once FA hits though. Despite your sound reasoning for keeping him I think the market is there this year – especially since teams won’t know what they have at QB until much closer to the season so even the teams that take 2nd round QBs might be a bit uneasy going into the season.

Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.

by ChristianL on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I like the mock

But, Carolina tendered Williams with a 1st and 3rd. He’s going nowhere.

by ConradA on Mar 29, 2011 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

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