Forgotten Strength
As the off-season progresses, I have noticed a trend in topics, mostly focusing on the quarterback situation as well as on the defensive side of the ball, and I think that's where most of the focus should be. But I wanted to look back on last season and look at a few key players on this team that are either overlooked, underrated, or ignored in this off-season talk. This is meant to pay tribute and enlighten members here about what some may not know about these great contributors to this team.
As I've taken a break from Some Clarification is in Order, I've had the itch to get some ideas and thoughts off my chest without going into statistical research mode, so this post came out. Last season didn't have a lot of bright spots, but hopefully this will provide some light on some of the good things that happened last season and some hope for next season.
Syd'Quan Thompson
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10 |
- Tied for 1st on the Broncos for the interceptions, tied with Renaldo Hill and Champ Bailey, despite having very few snaps.
- Tied for 8th in the NFL for all rookies in interceptions, ahead of Cox,
- Tied for 6th on the team in passes deflected, ahead of players like Jones, Burton and McBath.
- One of 41 7th or later rounders who have had 2 interceptions their rookie years.
- Led Bronco corners in Win Probability Added per play by Advanced NFL Stats.
So in short, Squid, in very, very limited time, was very successful. I went back and watched him in action, while hardly on the field a great deal of the time, when he was on the field, he was almost always near the ball or the ball carrier. While he does have a few aspects to work on, he was actually quite spectacular when given the chance, and while his size may play a factor in his future, it should be noted he is possibly the best corner we have, outside of Bailey, in terms of instincts. What he lacks in size to make great tackles, he makes up for in playing very, very smart football, reading the quarterback, and making plays. I loved what I saw in 2010 from Squid.
Jabar Gaffney
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- Ranked 44th in DYAR at Football Outsiders.
- Best catch rate of receivers who caught at least 10 passes.
- Ranked 17th in YPR for receivers with over 50 receptions.
- 25th ranked in Win Probability Added by Advanced NFL Stats for wide receivers with 20 or more receptions.
- 27th ranked in Expected Points Added by Advanced NFL Stats for wide receivers with 20 or more receptions.
Now many people will say that Gaffney isn't being overlooked, but he is hardly being given the credit he deserves. Jabar, this past season, was actually very successful. Leading the team in catch rate, made almost no mistakes, played smart, and was successful. He was hardly the playmaker Lloyd was, and he's no fan favorite that Royal or DT are, but he performed fantastically last season, playing better then both Royal and DT and made a great compliment to Lloyd. After watching some of his game from last season, I'm really hard pressed to see any real flaws. He can't make the big catches Lloyd can, and he's no speedster, but other then that, he's lacking any real weaknesses. Either way, any talk of him being traded just shocks me, because considering what he's done, he's among the top #2 wide receivers a team could ask for.
Eric Decker
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22 |
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25.2 |
51 |
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- Ranked 11th in the NFL for returners with over ten kick returns, with 25.3 YPR.
- 4 out of the 6 receptions were for 1st downs, and 1 was for a touchdown.
- Tied for 1st in NFL for kick returners in fumble rate per return, 0%.
Decker's resume is short so far in the NFL, but in his limited time, he was very, very impressive. He was able to stay healthy, return kicks, and make his effect as a receiver felt later in the season. Decker's speed, size and vision make him idea to catch in traffic as well as return kicks, and at this point, if you were to compare him and DT in terms what what they accomplished in respective time and just compare the two in a physical perspective, I'd bet any man Decker is the better of the two at this point. Decker will hopefully see more time on the field next season, especially on special teams, and as he battles his way up a very deep wide receiver corps.
Renaldo Hill
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- 4th on the Broncos in tackles.
- Tied for 1st on the Broncos in interceptions.
- Had the best yards per interception on the Broncos.
- Tied for 6th on the Broncos in passes deflected.
- Top safety on the Broncos in Win Probability Added per play by Advanced NFL Stats.
- 5th ranked Bronco defender in Win Probability Added per play by Advanced NFL Stats.
- In the top 3rd in Win Probability Added per play for all safeties by Advanced NFL Stats.
- 2nd ranked safety in the AFC West and 9th ranked safety in the AFC according to Pro-Football-Focus.
Hill isn't a playmaker, he isn't flashy, and he doesn't stand out, but he gets the job done. While he will be remembered in 2010 for one huge mistake, people often mis-remember how well he played the rest of the season. Hill was ranked highly on every stat site I went to, and after rewatching him play, almost never, every gave up a big play, the key job he has. He wasn't called upon to rush the passer under past coaches, that was more of Dawk's job, so he was often called to play in a Cover 1 set, where his job was to prevent the big play, and he did that job with flying colors. Hill, while often not given much respect here, and with people calling for his replacement, quietly put up a fantastic season, ending up being one of the top safeties in the AFC. Hill isn't going to change games often, but he's saved a few this season, and people saying that we need to upgrade him should look at what he's done, it's impressive.
In conclusion, let's not forget what a number of players did and what they provide for the future. While the season did suck, let's honor those who did what they could for this team.
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Syd'Quan Thompson
hes one of my favorite players and one of the reasons I think we dont need Patrick Peterson The guy is a hard hitter and he has the hands to pick the ball off the guys a beast
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I loved every second of rewatching Squid
While I didn’t notice his impact much during the season, while rewatching it, he stuck out as a guy who is always near the play, and I can’t wait to see more of him.
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Squid's size
At 5’9" and 187, he’s the same size as Dearrell Green, who played for 20 years in Washington. And only lost his starting job to some guy named Bailey, very late in his career.
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Thompson reminds me of a slower version of our beloved D-Will
He’s a little ballhawk, he’s a willing tackler with some pop to his hits, he seems like a professional – extreme value in the 7th and proof that not all of Joshie McD’s personnel moves were bad.
Next year, I think we will start seeing some of McD’s picks come to fruition:
Robert Ayers (the move back to playing 4-3 DE will help him immensely)
Eric Decker
Demaryius Thomas (if he can get his butt healthy)
possibly Darcel McBath
possibly David Bruton
Tim Tebow
Knowshon Moreno (with better help around him – the dude is a TD machine)
Zane Beadles
JD Walton (aka I-Hop)
possibly Eric Olsen (this guy has that nasty you want from a trench player – much like the afore mentioned O-Lineman)
Did I forget any???
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We barely saw squid at all! Jury's still WAY out
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by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 8, 2011 6:56 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, he didn’t get much playing time. A shame we don’t have more tape on these young guys, no good reasson we don’t.
You got the wrong TV, silly head
Of course its not NFL tape, but take a look at some of his old college highlights.
Its not an accurate display of NFL performance, but its a taste of what could he could be in the NFL. Although he isn’t amazingly fast, he has some crazy acceleration and knows how to combine it with instinctive reads to make plays and get to the ball. In fact I’m going to go rewatch his college highlights again right now! Lol.
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by Alexander Wall on Mar 8, 2011 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
I partially agree WB, however...
For a 7th round pick, Squid played much, much better than some 2nd rounders. I wish that we could go back in time, never trade for Phonz, keep our 1st rounder from last year, and draft Earl Thomas, or trade that 1st for a couple 2nds and draft a player like TJ Ward (what a year that young dude had!!!).
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He was a fringe 1st rounder after his junior year
don’t know how he fell to the 7th even with that 40 time
i'm hopeful for him but never see him being an every down starter... and could we go back? Let's forget the Phonz trade or the Earl Thomas loss... why not just go back and unhire McDaniels?
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by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 10, 2011 7:03 AM MST up reply actions
Great Post & rec'd
I’m also looking forward to seeing more of Decker & Squid as well. I’ve really been on the fence about drafting PP but maybe this sums up why we don’t need him.
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Jabar Gaffney
is so underappreciated it blows my mind. This is a guy who had 875 yards last year on 65 catches. I haven’t checked, but that has to rank in the upper echelon of #2 WR in this league.
I’ve said it all year long. He is a guy who on paper isn’t terrifying, but he is more then capable of dominating a game.
Highly underrated.
I LOVE squid. One of my favorite rooks easily.
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by Nick Cast on Mar 8, 2011 2:17 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Nick
My thoughts exactly, and I just loved Squid, great value and a great rookie. Same with Gaff, with Lloyd blowing it up and other fan favorites, Gaff often gets overlooked, but I don’t think he should be.
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by John Bena on Mar 8, 2011 3:20 AM MST reply actions 2 recs
Nice post MD...rec'd!
“Squid” is the epitome of the true value pick we hear scouts & coaches talk about. Here’s a guy who was a “combine” bust and fell like a rock due to his lack of speed. Most overlooked his experience as a 4 yr starter on a really good Cal Defense and his quickness, toughness and tenacity. We caught lightening in a bottle. Decker??? He IS exactly who we thought he was! I think he’s gonna be better than D Thomas and believe he’ll prove to be a better value in the end. But I do like D Thomas!
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Value is a great term to describe Squid
Even in his limited playing time he made an impact.
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very good and rec'd!
I like all of your proverbial “forgotten strengths”. Great post. I have always been a Gaffney fan. Decker, and Syd are going to be great some day. Hill is just a work horse! Thanks for reminding us.
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Quick question
Did Squid return any kicks or punts in the regular season? I remember watching him and Vaughn in preseason and thinking they were going to be electric in the return game.
Also its scary how stacked we are at WR. Lloyd, Royal, Gaffney, Thomas, Decker and lets not forget Willis who EVERYONE was high on in the preseason. I can’t help but think there is a trade made in this group. There is going to be a serious logjam here. I could see McD looking to grab Gaffney to give Bradford a knowledgeable target. Who knows?
Great post, though. I enjoyed it. Makes me feel better about the 2012 season and on.
Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.
Squid only had limited returning work
Returning 3 punts.
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Squid reminds me of Al Harris and Makenzie.
Those two didn’t have great speed either, but you don’t have to remind Matt Hasselback that Harris is a playmaker. Those two were solid togeather in Green Bay and I think Makenzie made a big impact on the Saints. In addition, they do have the same hair too lol. Don’t forget too, that Squid’s return skills are underrated as well.
With Decker, He just didn’t get enough chances to show what he could do. The guy can catch anything you throw his way and his a great route runner. Also, I think his ability to go deep is underrated because everything that went deep went to Lloyd—which is understandable. However, I don’t want to see him in the return game. He did what he had to do as a rookie, but now his graduated to being a starting WR.
Well said
With Decker, it was just a matter of depth, with such a strong receiving depth chart, it’s hard to work your way up, but after watching both him and DT, both on ST and catching, I believe he should be above DT come next year. Squid I think should have seen more time, but both he and Cox were competing for the same spot and both played well. Hopefully with Nate Jones gone, Squid will see more game time.
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Agreed on both accounts.
Decker is an absolute stud of a footballer, some of those Gopher highlights are unreal. I cannot think of one pass-play down the seem or over the middle all last year….can you? Decker is the perfect guy to go get you that 7 tough yards over the middle especially since our TE’s could catch the damn ball. Couldn’t KO or TT make that throw? My fear is that DT wont see the field next season due to injury, however if healthy Decker is further ahead as you say.
And for Squid, yes, always around the ball, maybe not as many opportunities to fail, but given the chance, he seemed to be making the right reads.
Corp, Corps, and Core
Fantastic post! I think people have been so obsessed with what sucks, that we haven’t considered many reasons to be hopeful. Squid and Decker are two of my favorite young players. Gaffney kind of reminds me of Rod Smith in that he just goes to work.
With that said, there’s a common word confusion error that I see a lot on sports blogs. Please note that I’m not pointing this out because I think it’s bad. I’m pointing it out because your work is professional quality that deserves professional polish.
Corp. is an abbreviation for corporation.
Corps is the word I think you meant to use, which refers to a group. The S is silent (Thanks for nothing, France).
Both Corporation and Corps (along with corpse) stem from the Latin, “Corpus,” meaning body.
“Core” is a word I’ve also seen confused with “corps,” but has a different etymology, stemming from “cor” or “coeur,” meaning, “heart.” However, this is a word that can be used to describe a group of stalwarts on a team. So you could say, “The receiving corps features a core of veterans, backed up by rookies and recent free agent additions.”
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by Velveeta on Mar 8, 2011 7:29 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Good stuff, luv the ending phrase. Another is Then and Than.
I have high hopes for Tebow and respect for Orton, may the best man lead us to wins!
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
Man I hated English classes in college
But I’ll get that fixed and thanks for your thoughts.
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Spencer Larsen
When McD would use him, he was very effective. He did not drop a pass thrown to him. I think is value to our team, especially now that we will run the ball more.
I was tempted to use him
And love Larsen, but I decided against it. There were a number of other players, Hunter, Vick and Larsen, who I wanted to include, but the post would be too long.
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I might
You can never have to many bright spots.
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Awesome post
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Great Post
Thanks for this maxwell. We do have a lot of young players with promise and a bright future.
I have high hopes for Tebow and respect for Orton, may the best man lead us to wins!
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Squid
Is awesome. That pick against the Jets was incredible. I was watching and directv went out for a couple seconds right before the pick and I was yelling “No No No!” Then it came back on and I saw him with the ball and started yelling “Yes Yes Yes!” I was also at the game against the Texans and went crazy when he caught the game clinching pick. I was picking my wife up in the air screaming my lungs out.
He is so instinctual at CB and I feel he would be an incredible Punt Returner if we gave him more of a chance.
Squid to me
Made plays whenever he was on the field. While Champ is a great corner, one of the best, he was never a turnover guy, netting a few interceptions a season, but he never was a big interception guy. With Squid, you have a guy who may not be able to in on every down, but on passing downs, I want him on the field, because he’s great at following the ball and reading a QB, which was surprising because he was a rookie last season.
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Champ had two years with high interceptions.
8 in 2005, 10 in 2006. No more than 5 any other years. Why the spike there I don’t now, did he have a better partner to get throws directed at him> I remmeber in 2006 he had a chance at Def Player of the Year but some Dolphin guy (Zach Thomas maybe) had an unbelievable amount of forced fumbles
Because of those years
QB’s learned to quit throwin to him. Romo did it in the dallas game and paid for it
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Like like Asomugha
No one throws his way, so he has so few stats.
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Yup
can you believe the Faiders gave the mega contract to Rout and not Asomugha?
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Another great post Max, pleasantly surprised what you found when you went back and looked at Hill.
You got the wrong TV, silly head
Thanks
And I was pretty down on Hill for most of the season, but when I started looking at his work as a whole this past season, I was very surprised and pleased with how he did, but man that Jets game, ugh, I don’t like to remember that play.
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Consider me converted on Hill
I thought he had a great first season with us, but I always measured his play by that one play against New York, so guilty there. Great post, and I put it on my twitter. First time I’ve ever done that to a FanPost. This is great stuff though, and Those are four of my new favorite Broncos.
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That one play probably cost us the game
And it was a huge mistake, and I was very upset at him for that, but in perspective, he had a great season, but man, that play just killed me. Thanks for your thoughts.
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FYI about Squid (Syd'Quan Thompson)
Just this past weekend I finally got the chance to play franchise mode on Madden with my younger brother. He is still young and is torn between the Broncos and the Ravens to root for (I’m trying my best with him, but it’s been tough work to convince him these past couple years) and he likes the Ravens more. Anyhow, since I wanted to play the Broncos, and he wanted to play the Ravens, we decided to compromise and pick neither team. We ended up choosing to play the Eagles (so we wouldn’t have to knock our favorite teams out of the playoffs).
To make a long story short. We were entering year 4 and Syd’Quan came up as a free agent (his contract with Denver ended) and he was rated as an 89! Now of course Madden NFL ratings are Madden ratings. But I was pretty excited to see that, even on a fictional projection of an artificial season.
Syd’Quan all the way! (though I STILL want to draft Peterson, cause Champ is probably in his final contract – it will give us time to let Peterson and Syd’Quan establish themselves as a dominant tandem ((when Champ slides back to safety)) for the long term future).
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The same thing happened to me...
I was surprised to see him ranked so high!!
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definitely Decker
you mentioned his receiving and kick returning abilities, but I would be willing to bet he had the most special teams tackles on the Broncos. The dude is a great all around football player.
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by manbearpig5000000 on Mar 8, 2011 1:25 PM MST reply actions
I have to disagree with his ST play
I’ll admit I tuned out the last 6 or 7 games, but all early season I remember continually swearing at my TV because Decker was screwing up on Special teams.
Whether it was blocking penalities, fumbles, failure to cover fakes (SD), loss of outside contain on kickoffs… time and again it was Decker that appeared to me to be the one screwing up and costing us field position/momentum.
Perhaps he improved, and he did look to have solid WR potential late season… but ST was not his forte, at least early season.
He definitely was part of our ST problems at the beginning of the year
I remember seeing him whiff some easy tackles on ST, multiple times. However, he most definitely got better through the season. By the last quarter, I noticed him not missing those tackles and doing a solid job for a WR playing ST. Not our best STer, Bruton gets that when he isn’t injured, but Decker got much better as the season wore on.
Decker most certainly improved
Just look how he ended the season, one of the top returners in the league, you can’t deny that.
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He did improve...
and honestly, I put Priefer/McD more on the ST stuff early. Because honestly, why have Decker out there trying to cover a fake? He aint no safety or corner… Early on I wished we woulda just let him grow into a role at WR while DT was still hurt…
most underrated
I voted Squid, but I would also say that J.D. Walton and Zane Beadles were incredibly underrated. Orton’s not exactly known for a super quick release and those two really allowed our OL to function. Beadles versatility (I think he played everywhere but LT and C on the line at some point) and Walton’s consistency are the main reason Orton had such an unbelievable statistical start to the season.
Can’t wait to see what Fox can mold even a mediocre running back crew into (though I think when healthy Moreno is also underrated) with Clady, Beadles, Kuper, and Walton anchoring our offense for the next decade.
Thank you Max
You have a knack for researching very interesting subjects. Did this stem from the talk about Hill last week, or was it just scratching the curiosity itch?
I voted Hill, he was our starter and was underrated even with a large amount of playing time. That damn PI really did sour his name, but his play was solid outside of that.
It started with Hill
But I was just noticing certain players were either just ignored in future Bronco plans, like Squid and Decker, or ignored in past success, Hill and Gaffney. I just wanted to look at what they had accomplished. Thanks for your thoughts.
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excellent post Maxwell!!!
I voted for Gaff. Even though Syd’Quan had a very nice year for a 7th round CB, I think Gaffney’s contributions helped the team out more. I will say this though, had Thompson played as many snaps as Jabar, it wouldn’t shock me if I found myself voting for him.
I love posts like this – new ideas, off the beaten trail material. Keep this good stuff coming brother!!!
Oh, and I almost forgot – REC’D!!!
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I do agree that Gaffney and Hill saw way more playing time then Squid and Decker
But in Syd’Quan’s limited time, he was very active, and while I do agree that out of these four, Gaffney possibly had the biggest impact, I’m excited to see these guys again next season. Thanks.
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Most underrated?
Has to be Hill. He made the most impact on the team, did what he had to do and as you say “wasn’t the flashiest and doesn’t stand out”.
All the other guys aside from Gaffney were rookies who saw limited time. Hill on the other hand was first string, played all season and has some stats as you showed to prove he played a good season. Gaffney was mistake prone but he didn’t put up as much playing time as Hill did.
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Correction
Meant to say he was not mistake prone. Meaning he did NOT make mistakes.
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by BosnianBronco on Mar 8, 2011 3:32 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for your thoughts
I am excited for what quiet vets like Hill and Gaffney bring to the table and I’m excited to see what Decker and Syd’Quan can do next season as they gain experience.
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Gaffney. This is a no brainer.
He has been a decent player for us for both seasons. Made a lot of plays and racked up some good stats. He hasn’t had a few good plays like Thompson or Decker, he hasn’t had nearly as many bad plays as Hill (or played on such a bad unit).
I’d add Goodman, Haggan and Bannon as underrated, but again, they played on the 32nd ranked D in the NFL so maybe I’m being too kind.
No one wants to read your 19th attempt at a mock draft and it's only February for goodness sakes.
Haggan will likely be in the next piece
Goodman would be if this were 2009, and I think he’s a great corner, but 2010 was just not his season.
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Hmmm....
Decker came on strong late, but his special teams play sucked early in the year and cost us dearly (SD fake punt, etc.)
Hill… I guess I’ll take your word on it that he was decent. It is hard because he’s the epitomy of a DB where you see only the bad plays (mainly because he rarely makes the good plays to make up for it). I guess my larger impression was he was not good enough to even be in the play often, which meant he wasn’t seen to be as bad as he actually was….
If he really was good, that really saddens me because that mean Dawk really was as bad or worse than I thought he was, and I thought he was terrible. As a unit, our safety play really sucked last year… teams just owned us with TEs and RBs, and short gains often became long ones with the deep safety no where to be seen… Dawk was often the one futilely trailing behind on the short-pass, but you’d think Hill should be the one to come up and limit the damage… I guess his high tackle number indicates he was, but it sure was hard to pick out.
loved squid and gaffney (great #2/#3 combo with Royal), and Decker looked good when not playing ST, so there is hope for the future.
Agreed cj
Also on Decker, didnt he fumble a couple of returns? I remember he fumbled one right before the half against STL, and I thought I saw 2 other occasions also
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Great Read Max
but like I commented to cjfarls, didnt Decker fumble a few returns? I think I saw him lose 2 and recover one. Rec’d btw
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Concerning Decker
I can’t find any fumble stats just for returns, and I only watched about 75% of his returns, so he may have. I do remember one fumble though.
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One was vs STL
right before the half. I cant remember where I saw the other 2. Did he fumble against AZ? Oh, and I picked squid. I liked what I saw out of the kid
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Good post
Its always nice to read something about a positive with the team, just to take a break from all the crazy debate that goes on just about everywhere else.
I really loved what I saw out of Squid all season. I remember in the preseason, he was just really fun to watch as a punt returner. He wasn’t your prototypical returner who has great speed and will dodge everybody, but he just ran tough and ripped off some nice returns. I would’ve liked to see him in that role a bit more in the regular season.
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A lot of people don't know this but Squid was one of the top players in highschool from California. He was a fringe 1st rounder after his Junior year. He never really came out of nowhwere but Im a Cal fan so Ive been watching him for a while.
He also went to Grant high (same high school as Worrell Williams) which is one of the strongest teams in California second to only De la salle (DJ Williams went here but would have went to Grant if he wasn’t recruited.). This guy played with top competition which really helped him. Lining up against Desean Jackson everyday certainly helped.
Fun fact, right now his little brother is creating a big buzz in my area. He is a 5 star prospect and has potential as safety. Scouts say he is even better than Squid. Bronco in five years? Hope so.
Thanks for the background on Squid
There’s a lot about him I didn’t know.
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Also forgot to mention VERY happy to see HIll here. Hill has been very solid for us.
Glad you noticed this. Very good post.
I rec'd this also
It was positive and upbeat. It was a great read and as I said earlier please do a part 2. It is always a pleasure to read great post that are not mock drafts or should I say somebody’s wish list.
I voted Gaffney just because the spot light was on Lloyd all year. Gaff went out and took care of business and quietly had a very good year.
I am looking forward to the development of Thompson and Decker though.
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Moreno is the most underrated player on our offense
if he gets healthy now that the line is pretty much set: LOOK OUT!
I could really see him blowing up this year.
I could agree with that
Moreno, when he’s not being hit 3 yards deep (0.1 seconds after getting the ball) looked pretty good to me. When the line started to gel later in the year, he looked quite solid, if not star quality.
tough to say anyone is more underrated than Gaffney however…
If Moreno's yards started at first contact
his YPC would be much much higher, our RBs had first contact in the backfield more often than not.
Great post Max
This is the type of discussion and things I came to MHR for. Great post and great job. I really enjoyed it and the posts so far.
Thanks for your thoughts
And I hope MHR keeps turning out great content.
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