Denver Broncos Allegedly Shopping 2nd Overall Pick
by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 5:24 PM MDT
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BREAKING: Arizona and Washington are discussing trades with Denver to move up to No. 2 overall to select Blaine Gabbertless than a minute ago via web 
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Rumor has it that the Denver Broncos are talking with the Redskins and Cardinals to move back in the first round of the 2011 NFL Draft. To give you some perspective of how far the Broncos would move back if this trade went through, the Washington Redskins own the 10th overall pick and the Arizona Cardinals own the 5th overall pick.
Mike Shanahan is famous for moving up because he falls in love with an NFL prospect. This move would make a ton of sense for the Redskins. However, if there is still a lockout, there's a possibility that the Redskins would not be able to afford to make this trade, according to an NFL Draft value chart. They own the 10th, 41st, 144th, 155th, 177th, 213th, 224th, and 253rd overall picks. The second overall pick would be worth 2600 points, but even all of the Redskins picks, combined, would equal only 1882.2. Granted, not all trades have to be within the guidelines of this chart. However, this is a vast difference, especially considering the fact that the Redskins would be throwing all of their draft picks into this deal.
The Cardinals, on the other hand, would need far less ammo to make the jump. They own the 5th, 38th, 69th, 103rd, 136th, 171st, and 184th. That certainly makes them eligible to make the 3 pick leap to the #2 overall pick. Arizona's need for a quarterback makes this rumor palatable, but a lot of people (including myself) have considered this organization one that doesn't move up in the draft very often. They could certainly prove us wrong if they make this deal.
The great thing for the Broncos is that there is apparently a bidding war for their first round draft pick. During an interview with 104.3 the Fan a few minutes ago, John Elway, when asked if they'd be open to trading the #2 pick said "we'd be open to it, but the value would have to be there". He was holding his cards close to the vest, but if reports are true, expect a great haul for the Broncos in any trade.
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Please, let this be true.
Marcell Dareus is VERY likely to be there at 5 and Denver could get another 2nd rounder (!!!!) out of this.
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If there is a bidding war
possibly more
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 12, 2011 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Dream scenario
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
If it is true...
There’s a good chance the Bengals will jump into the discussion. They need a QB.
If they don’t move up for Newton or Gabbert, I think they’ll be picking up AJ Green to help whoever plays QB.
Let me just say
it has ALWAYS been my dream scenario to trade down with Arizona and pick a DT.
However, I do have to admit that adding another 2nd rounder scares me with all of the QB prospects we have interviewed.
Either way, if we trade down to #5, I would be enamored with picking Dareus, Peterson, or Von Miller.
If we trade to #10, I would be good with picking Fairley, Cam Jordan, or Aldon Smith.
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But even if we did pick a QB with the second rounder we receive, we'd be working with essentially a borrowed pick.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
disagree
opportunity cost. By drafting a QB with that pick, although not originally our pick, the cost associated with the pick would be drafting a QB instead of a position of need, and we all know we have plenty of those.
haha, fair enough.
I mean that if we are looking for a player to drop to 5, it’s better that we move from 2 to 5 and still get him. The fact that you get the same player you would have gotten at 2 means that the other pick is a gimme.
Although, I’m no economist, so when “opportunity cost” comes into play, a shiver goes down my spine just like it did in my freshman year of college.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Obviously, you'd still want to draft for value in the second round, though.
Overdrafting anywhere is a bad thing.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed.
I am pumped if we trade back….and guess what…this gives me a bit of confidence that Xanders is on his game, and that we could rebuild our defense pretty quick.
I can see us getting 2 1st round quality DT/DE’s…imagine Dareus/Fairley and Luiget/Wilkenson/ Paea…
I am quietly pumped at the moment!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
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My ideal trade scenario
Carolina drafts Marcell Dareus
Arizona trades up and drafts Blaine Gabbert.
Washington then trades up to #5 and drafts Cam Newton.
This would give us a Ton of Picks.
Good points SD...although it may happen in the reverse as well....but it could still happen. We could load up on the defensive side of the ball!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Yes, that would be a dream scenario, BFSD. Nice thinking!
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by FloridaFan62 on Apr 12, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I would not like this scenario at all to be honest
If we trade back to 5, we are going to get at least 1 if not 2 very good picks.
We don’t need 12 picks.
I would much prefer a draft with 8 picks featuring Marcel Dareus, Von Miller, or Patrick Peterson then a draft with 12 picks and Aldon Smith.
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They could always package picks to move back up.
…Or trade for higher picks next year.
If the Broncos start with 12 picks, I seriously doubt they’ll end up with 12 players.
I may be mistaken but...
from what I understand, with no CBA there can be no trading future picks.
trading back with arizona seems like a dream scenario
there’s so many different directions the broncos could go with the #2 pick, and i’d be fine with ALMOST any of them. moving back 3 spots would be ideal, as most of these scenarios would still be in play at #5 and we’d be able to add something more (essentially for free).
as for trading back to #10, i just don’t see it happening. we need the impact that a top 5 player can make and there might be someone that talented at #10 but it’s a much bigger gamble. the only way i see the broncos trading down to washington’s spot is if a CBA is in place and a player or two is involved in the trade. but a CBA being in place before the draft is unlikely.
"I think people fail to remember that he was the second of their first draft choices. So it’s not taking as big of a risk if people think it’s a risk as people, uh… think."
John Lynch on The Teeblerator
Yay! :-)
Hoping for Arizona, too, for obvious reasons. 5th and 38th pick and it’s yours, Cardinals. Then you can have Gabbert and we get one of the guys we probably wanted anyway.
In addition to being then able to take 2 defenders and and offensive position (TE or OT would be my choice). Denver’s in the driver’s seat.
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I meant 2 defenders and offensive position with subsequent 3 picks, above.
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I like it.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
we can get MORE than the #5 and #38
if there is multiple teams wanting to trade with us we could get a 1st,2nd, AND 3RD AT LEAST. Maybe if the cards fall right we can get another 1st next year. You never know, teams get crazy on draft day.
The 5th overall is a VERY good idea, we can still get pp, miller, or dareus. I would even be ok with bowers or fairley at that point. With the 10th overall, ALL of those prospects could be gone.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s all I have to say..
"I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything." - John Elway
I am on the Patrick Peterson bandwagon :)
by Pmoreno95 on Apr 12, 2011 5:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I don't care if we trade back our not.
I just care that Xanders doesn’t screw up the picks. Please, for the love of Tebow, let EFX pick the right players.
Sidenote: I sound more and more like McGeorge as the days go on.
Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.
Not the worst person you can sound like
McGeorge is highly intelligent and spot on more often then not.
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so.... maybe the smokescreen is working then?...
(er… i mean… obviously the broncos are interested in a QB and all but…)
I'm not sugarcoating this.
Impact!
I really dont want a high pick for a long time again.. but as we have it now, I want us to get impact from it, not trading down for more picks!
by the way. who the hell is shawn zobel?
"I think people fail to remember that he was the second of their first draft choices. So it’s not taking as big of a risk if people think it’s a risk as people, uh… think."
John Lynch on The Teeblerator
Looks like a 15 yr old chubby kid... if that is his pic.
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Ok... prove me wrong.
hah hah
he does.
but he’s the dude who runs this site
http://www.draftheadquarters.com/
and i’d say i’d like someone else to kinda confirm this before i get too excited ;)
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True that.
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You can be an %&*hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
With all due respect but
the guy reporting it is just another draft expert clown! His site is full of speculation and nothing else.
That was my first thought...
I would love to see it but until Adam Sheffter tweets something like this I’m not remotely a believer
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Apr 12, 2011 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I was just over at both the arizona cards and redskins bolg ..
Not a word about this …..
by broncosfaninphilly on Apr 12, 2011 6:28 PM MDT reply actions
Either way it's interesting to read and speculate over eh?
We conquered this territory with our bodies and souls, then we watered it with our tears.
Go Denver!
I cannot wait for the real draft
So this nonsense will stop. I come to MHR to read something solid about our Broncos and I can only find 1000000000 mock scenarios and all the so called experts trying to make a $ for them or their websites based on speculation. So to answer your question both are a tremendous waste of time. And before you say do not read them :) please forgive me. I am desperate for some real news or a good Bronco story. .
by BeachBronco3 on Apr 12, 2011 6:39 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I would never say dont read anything . In fact enjoy yourself read everything that pleases you.
I agree with everything you said . I too just want to talk solid truthfull broncos news .
by broncosfaninphilly on Apr 12, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give us a break...this is the only good news we have had in weeks...even if it is BS.....in the immortal words of Poison "Give me something to believe in."
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
S'all good Boydy
Would be nice if we could trade back. Hope this is not B.S. wait for some confirmation from alternate sources first though.
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You can be an %&*hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Oh my gosh...you quoted Poison!?
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Over.
We need a good season this year so Boydy isn’t so friggin unstable…. ;)
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Dude, its got that bad! HAHAHA...
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I do not think it is good news but I respect your opinion
I am 1000% against trading the pick!
If there isn't a standout on their draft board who is head and shoulders above the rest...
They’ll get a player they want, pay him less than they would at #2, and then get more picks.
What’s not to like? Let alone dislike so intensely that reality itself is warped?
That's the spirit.
Dump a ton of money into a position that we’ve already dumped a ton of money into! Our front 7 wants to thank you for your help.
27--29--11 May all your spirits rest in peace.
by Joe Medina on Apr 12, 2011 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I second this comment. Denver passes on Peterson at 2 anyway.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
by McGeorge on Apr 12, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
and at #5 with Dareus and Miller off the board?
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If Miller and Dareus are off the board at #5.
There are only three options
1) Fairley
2) Peterson
3) Trade down
I wouldnt touch Fairley with a 10-foot pole and Peterson is vastly superior to a guy like Aldon Smith and an additional second round pick. It would be a no brainer for me that they should take Peterson
if I'm Denver at Peterson is on the board at #5
I’m racing to the podium and handing the card with his name on it.
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Rome wasn’t built in a day, that is something that alot of people don’t get. If we draft Dareus then we will be horrible against the run all year until we get pieces around him. If we draft Miller then we will be horrible against the run all year until we get pieces all around him. If we draft Peterson then we will be horrible against the run until we get pieces around him. If we draft Miller then our defense won’t be elite against the pass until we get guys that can cover people. If we draft Dareus then we won’t be elite against the pass until we get another pass rusher beside him and on the edge as well as people to cover.
The Broncos need to draft a good player and front-7 or back-4 is an irrelevent argument. The top-5 needs to be a good player and then at least one of the second rounders needs to be a good player at any position on defense.
In the top-5 there are only 3 guys that I would say are going to for sure be good: Dareus, Miller and Peterson.
Anyone else is a far bigger gamble in my opinion, and you don’t gamble because a bunch of people think we need front-7 before a corner. We need every position on defense, so we better start getting good players at all the positions
by DW76 on Apr 12, 2011 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
For as much good sense as you state here, this comment should go green
Very very smart sir.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
I was number rec #5
I think that say it for me.
Trade down with Dallas if they make a great offer. If not, take Peterson in a heart beat.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Not Happening
Top 5 list on why Denver won’t draft Patrick Peterson:
5) Denver has an elite CB under contract – and teams almost NEVER have two elite CBs on thier roster
4) Denver has good depth at CB for 2011
3) Denver doesn’t have a legitemate starting DT on their roster
2) The draftable DT’s are elite and Denver will be able to take one
and the number one reason…..
1) Denver is not going to tie up nearly $100 Million Dollars on the edges of the defense when the front 7 (and the middle of the D-Line more specifically) is the single biggest problem the franchise has.
Denver may trade down – but probably not beyond #5. Stockpiling picks & talent is one thing, but doing it at the expense of missing out on a star caliber cornerstone on the D-Line for the next 10 years in unforgiveable.
I’m happy trading w/ the Cards and coming home w/ Fairley. I’ll take that over drafting Dareus at #2 all day & every day.
by super7 on Apr 12, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trading down to #5 and selecting the best defensive player in college football in 2010 does sound wonderful until that same player signs a 50+ million dollar contract and he’s too busy going to the bank to hit the gym.
Peterson over Fairley every day and twice on Sundays, the most important day in the football world.
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by Nick Cast on Apr 12, 2011 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha. That's funny Nick
Lets not pass judgement on these guys’s character yet. I don’t know them and you don’t either.
Those types of generalizations and assumptions get thrown around with a far too cavalier manner.
If they were able to drop back to #5 and get picks #38 and #136 from the Cardinals.
And if they are drafting with Miller and Dareus off the Board, they can take Peterson and have a playmaker in the secondary at corner, and eventually Bailey can move inside to Safety. We need a playmaker at safety either way and we would need to try and get one in the second or third round this year.
Then that pick #38 can be someone like Stephen Paea. A draft of Peterson at #5, Marvin Austin at #36, Stephen pea at #38, and Martez Wilson at #46 would be a good start to the first part of the offseason
Tell me where its says Bailey will move to safety...
Paea and Austin can’t hold Fairley or Dareus’s jocks. If they couldn’t they’d be in the discussion as top 10/15 picks.
I agree that Paea and Austin are not on the level of Fairley and Dareus as prospects, but the point is that at some point you are going to have to get a good player in the second round. If that good player is a safety, a defensive tackle, or a corner…..it is irrelevent because this team needs all of those positions.
I understand why people are steadfast on going front-7 in the top-5, and all things being equal that would be a great direction to go. However all things are not equal when you compare Fairley with Patrick Peterson. This discussion is about Fairley vs. Peterson, because we are talking about a scenario where Dareus and Miller are off the board.
Yah it would be great to get Miller or Dareus and then hit on a safety or corner in the second/third round. It would be great to get Peterson and hit on a Linebacker or Defensive tackle in the second/third round.
That’s the point, there are 9-10 “good or great players” needed on defense…so whoever we take better be damn good and then a bunch of guys in later rounds better be pretty darn good. We know that Dareus, Miller and Peterson are the most likely to be very damn good….. get one of those 3 guys to start the draft and then find someone that can hold Fairley’s jock.
Bailey can move to safety in a year or two, and it says that all over the internet from all kinds of people, even sometimes from a guy named Champ Bailey.
The front 7 can be addressed later in the draft
Your humor needs work too!
by BeachBronco3 on Apr 12, 2011 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Disagree
If Denver has proven one thing, it’s that by drafting D-Line later in the draft, your chances of hitting on one of them are quite slim.
The Dlinemen aren’t ‘just guys’. The difference btw Dareus & Fairley and Paea and 2nd tier DTs is enormous.
Denver doesn’t need CB at the top of the draft. Not one bit.
Drafting Peterson would be like wearing tight shoes...
They never are comfortable and and hurt like hell when you walk around in them…
Washington
It should be noted that they can always trade 2012 draft picks as well. Assuming that the Broncos are willing to take the risk that there won’t ever be another draft after this one (a longshot, but not out of the question).
There was some debate about whether or not future picks will be used, based on the uncertainty of the lockout.
You could be right, though.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I haven’t heard an update about this. Last I heard it was undetermined and that the NFL told teams they can trade the picks at their own risk.
I have to assume that you will be able to trade 2012 draft picks at your own risk, but that is an interesting question that hopefully someone can answer.
Exactly. Whenever I hear "at your own risk", it doesn't make me optimistic.
I’m not sure that we should be risking things with our 2nd overall pick. But then again, we don’t know all the details about what the lockout entails. I can’t wait for all this to get ironed out.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions
My guess is that they will try and get items like this solved before the draft. They should also try and get a firm decision on the rookie wage scale as well, because that will be an absolute mess with agents demanding 10% more than last years pick at the same slot.
I think we'll find out more on Thursday when they start forced mediation.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions
ya for sure. my understanding of it is that they are far apart on the amount of money being shared, and that once that issue was resolved everything else would fall in place because they sort of agree on those issues (rookie wage scale, etc.)
So hopefully they will give the teams and fans an idea of what will happen exactly with this draft
I've heard similar things. I hope this thing gets done soon... In fact, I'm tired of having to say "I hope (blah blah blah) gets done".
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
don't get your hopes up
i don’t see anything getting done until the judge’s decision comes and the 7th circuit makes their ruling on the appeal.
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Forced Mediation
I doubt it will help at all. Unforced mediation didn’t, so why should forced mediation?
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Do it!
Trade the pick! We can get what we need later down the first round.
With another 2nd
WE could trade one of them to those who covet a player who has fallen out of the 1st round and make even more picks. This would be a GREAT move but I like the 5 pick not the 10.
The kid reporting this, Shawn Zobel, looks like a chubby 14 year old.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
It's not necessarily current. Heck, the picture on my MHR profile page is from 2008.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I said chubby 15 year old above.
split the diff I spose.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an %&*hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I think that's his senior pic
He is my age. No need to jab at anyone’s weight/
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 12, 2011 9:04 PM MDT up reply actions
just an observation.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an %&*hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Okay. This reporter is 14 and I’m not sure that makes him a great source.
Wish Peter King had said this, would carry more weight.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
I agree with your first point
Peter King is often wrong, however, I wouldn’t give him a ton more stock with rumors than the kid who looks like a younger version of him. ;-)
But I do want more credible sources on this in general, and frankly there will only be these rumors til we get very close to draft day. Broncos are going to keep this close to their vest.
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I read this kid’s entire post about the draft and it’s crazy talk. He’d have to know several GMs and head scouts to get this kind of info.
I think he is just blowing smoke out of his a##.
Peter King knows several GMs and head scouts and head coaches, but even he is not this reckless with real info.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
OK
21, not 14, so just chill on the sarcasm. You can be skeptical about him as a source, but please do not jab at someone because of their age.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 13, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate sarcasm and never us it. This guy does look like a teenage too me.
And his age is the problem. 21 you say, well guess what, 21 is not old enough to have contacts in the NFL. Maybe one or two, but not the number you’d need to report like this guy does. This kid needs far more seasoning and common sense before he is talking like this. He’ll damage any possible career before he has one.
I read his stuff and it’s a ton of conjecture. In fact, I’d go as far as say it’s educated garbage. And probably because he is 21 and doesn’t know better.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
I would trade with Washington by taking nothing more than their 10th pick and a 2012 1st rounder. which will be high
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Oh come on McG.
You and I both know Shanny would toss in a 2nd rounder too. He’s infamous for sucking on draft day (just like most other times when it really matters to get things right)
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Good point. He probably would throw in more.
But if we trade down from #2 to #10, the asset Washington has that I’d most want is a 2012 1st rounder, not a collection of 2011 2s and 4s.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Do we know if Shanny is making
the draft decision’s in Washington or is Snyder going to pull a Jerry Jones and make his presence felt?
I have no idea actually.
I was pleasantly surprised with myself how quickly I forgot to care about guys like Cutler, Marshall and Shanny once they were gone.
I probably won’t even hate McD soon. He’ll just be another nobody to me.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Question ?
If the players union decertified meaning that they are no longer a group or a union
how can there leaders negotiate with anyone ?
In that case who do the claim to be negotiating for ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Apr 12, 2011 7:36 PM MDT reply actions
Great question. Many of us have wondered this, as well. I have no idea.
It sure seems to me like they’re still functioning as a union.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 12, 2011 7:37 PM MDT up reply actions
The NFL
offered the players union full exemption from using any bargaining against them in court.
So the players and the owners are able to negotiate without repercussions.
Still acting as a union, but legally exempt from being classified as one.
It’s all semantics.
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if Shanny wants it bad enough he will give up his first and second round this year
and perhaps his first round next season
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This makes me smile. Like I have been saying we are not going to tradeout of the top ten, its not going to happen. Elway isnt dumb.
Only way we trade down is within the top ten and as you can see both of those teams fit the category.
For the right deal...
Anything is possible. If NE comes knocking on the door with their 28th 33rd, and other 2nd rounder I’d probably do that.
They won’t, but the point is there. If someone is willing to overpay then you do it. I’d take essentially two firsts and a second to trade down 18 spots.
Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.
I wouldn't say that's too farfetched mate.
Living in New England, I get all the little ramblings out of Boston (Foxborough, whatever) and the early word is that New England owns WAY too many early picks this year to support them all properly. I would expect them to move up this year to grab a real stud. I know it’s out of BB’s style to trade up, but you and I both know you never say never with BB and the Pats.
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by Joe Medina on Apr 12, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Screw that. We’d ask for 17,28 and 33.
That is a deal I’d do to move down from #2 overall. Have no idea why NE would trade up though. Von Miller is good, but not that good.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Whether this rumor is true or not...
These are the kinds of rumors that can turn into reality the more they are discussed. ESPN guys always bring up what the "bloggers are saying "as their own ideas even if they think they are full of it.
I think and feel that at #2 the Broncos will have lots of options, too many teams are QB hungry, and all the QBs this year are way overhyped. It’s gonna be like a bunch of hungry teenagers in a room full of powdered jelly donuts.
by BlueandOrangeinmyblood on Apr 12, 2011 10:37 PM MDT reply actions
I could see Washington trading us this:
Their first round pick in the 2011 & 2012 draft. I would be happy with that, as long as it’s the second time we trade down. Say we trade down to 5 and collect an extra 2011 pick, then trade to Washington and collect an additional 2012 1st rounder? I think this would be in the best long-term interest of the Broncos.
Considering that Washington doesn’t have a lot of ammunition in the 2011 draft, I could see some variation of this idea playing out.
by about_to-get_winked! on Apr 12, 2011 11:29 PM MDT reply actions
That makes no sense for the Redskins. Washington wants a QB at #2. They don’t want the 5th pick so they can draft a DT or CB.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
But if
Carolina takes Dareus, it might look like the QB they want will still be there at 5. It would be a gamble for Washington, though, cause AZ would likely take either Newton or Gabbert.
Who knows?
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True.
Obviously this scenario could only play out if a QB was sitting there at 5. My point was simply that they could package picks from multiple years to move up, as I hadn’t seen anyone suggest it yet.
by about_to-get_winked! on Apr 13, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
It would be nice if,
We could trade the 2nd pick to the Redskins for their 10th, 41st and say a player like Brian Orakpo….
by BroncosFaN88 on Apr 13, 2011 8:05 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Who is shawn zobel and why would he have this information?
But it would be awesome if it happened.
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I hope this pans out
because honestly I don’t have much hope that we will be able to trade down. Trading down is THE best scenario for us by far. There is some serious talent in the 2nd round this year…and even moving down to 5 – 10 should get us an impact player from the 1st round.
Still…I’m not holding my breath.
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Sweet. This is exactly what we should do.
No player is worth the #2 this year. But if we could pick up Peterson or Dareus at 6? Heck yes.
I agree that trading down to #5 is the perfect scenario on draft day, and it is not even close. Pay less money, and pick up a draft pick that is worth it’s own weight in gold.
They can package their pick at #36 with the #38 they would get from the Cardinals and move back up into the first round and snag one of the Defensive Lineman that is falling. A draft that starts with Dareus/Miller/ or Peterson as well as someone like Cameron Jordan/Phil Taylor/ Muhammad Wilkerson (or whoever the team prefers) would be a great begining to a draft that they still have a second round pick in.
All of this is far less likely than the Broncos staying put at #2, until someone substantial presents a “leak” from Dove Valley. Even then you wouldnt be able to believe it because of the nature of draft season
Here's my dream which isn't totally unrealistic...
Trade down to 5 and draft Peterson. Use the 3 (including the newly aquired Cards) pick on Stephen Paea, Kyle Rudolph, and Rahim Moore. Quan Sturdivant or Casey Matthews at MLB in the 3rd. Mark Herzlich (LB BC) and Dion Lewis (RB Pitt) in the 6th. And then in the 7th, who knows (Karl Klug DE Iowa?)?
Forced medication
Troy whats forced medication for?I’ll have what Troy’s having
Won't happen.
Whis has said he doesnt think the qb’s in this draft are high pick worthy, and draft analyst keep forgetting whis really is against playing rookies much their first year.
It’s also a crucial year for whis, he wont draft a qb this high, let alone with losing that much, and put his hopes on him to keep his job.
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