Pre-Season Prediction and Accountability Time!
So during the pre-season I created a post that contained my season prediction and analysis and asked for your predictions as well. I there were a number of comments and even more predictions, and one of the main points of the post was that I would hold myself and those who choose to predict the 2010 season accountable after the season ended.
Well it seems I forgot about the post until I was reviewing my post history, and after finding it, I immediately reviewed the comments and created this post. So while I was far off the mark in my prediction, lets jump right into how you and I fared in terms of predicting how the 2010 season would go. Now I tried to keep all comments in context, either using the whole comment, or the main point of the comment, if I misused or misunderstood your words, please let me know and I will fix it.
The Predictions:
Maxwellsdemon:
Record: 9-7, A winning record, 2nd in the division!
While this has a note that it can go +/- 1 game either way, I still see us having a winning year no matter what, we have made quite a few improvements... I (think) we finish 2-4 in the division, but we play in a more competitive division then most think, and it's not a sign of how bad we are, rather a sign of the quality of the other teams in our division...Now I don't think we will make the playoffs, just because I feel there are other team that will be so close in the wild-card race, that I don't think 9-7 will be good enough.
So I was about five games off the mark and we finished 4th in the division, but I was correct about the division being more competitive, with San Diego and Kansas City having winning records and Oakland sweeping the division. And like I said , 9-7 wouldn't have been enough to get us into the playoffs. We did worse then I predicted in terms of division play, only going 1-5. So not a great prediction on my part for how the Broncos would play, but the division played out how I expected.
Godofdeath:
8-8, 2nd in the division. Playing it safe, I know, but I just don’t see enough to make us really conteders among the top teams in the conference just yet.
Orange and Blue:
I say 9-7 too. We’ll upset one of the good teams but lose to a crummy one we shouldnt.
isaiahkyler:
Baltimore, Jets, San Diego, and Indy. Lets be real, if the Broncos can beat Dallas like they did last year, then it is not out of the realm of possibility that we could beat these teams as well. These team have issues too for example:
The Jets – Sanchez is not that good … there offense will struggle all season.
Baltimore – Well there are issues with the CB’s
San Diego – I still do not think they are what the media plays them up to be, esp without their best receiver and starting left tackle
Indy – well I am stretching here but they have not had a perfect season and they can be beat on a good night.I personally think that if the Broncos have the ability to win every game they play, that does not mean that the Broncos will win every game, but no game they play is a right off.
My prediction is that if the Broncos stay healthy 11-5!
T.Dot_Bronco:
I originally said 10-6
but at this final hour after more careful thought I’m regrettable changing it to 7-9. And I expect everybody to hold me to that.
Broncofan:
10-6 or 11-5 IF we can get healthy and stay that way. Could become disastrous if the wrong injuries occur or there are any setbacks(Clady, Moreno)
oxmouth:
i haven’t seen much that says denver can stop the run. guys like chris johnson, mjd and jamaal charles could get ugly on us. I’m not real confident in our own running game either, and if that ain’t working it’s on orton. kyle looked good in preseason but i’m still dubious about him. i’m as curious about this team as everyone else though. i could see the broncs pulling out 10 or 11 wins or i could see the wheels come off altogether. here’s hoping for the former.
prediction: 8-8.
idahobronco:
I end up at an 8-8 prediction. I could see us doing better if we have been keeping the defensive strategy under wraps, and if the injury situation resolves itself, but I’m not willing to call that until I actually see evidence of it.
This is a bit of a depressing prediction for me…prior to the onslaught of injuries, which I think influenced the roster picks more than I would have liked, I was fairly confident of a 9-7, with hopes of a 10-6 record.
Tim Lynch:
I would have voted 11-5, I think we split the Chargers and sweep the Faders. ;-)
I also think we beat a few of the good teams we lost too and lose to a few of the bad ones... and we win the AFC West
JoePlummer:
I predict we will be on track for a 10+ win season early on – winning one of the 3 games that should be losses (Indy, Baltimore, Jets). Denver is a team on the rise.
However, as much as I hate to say this… I think the injury bug that plagued us so much during TC and preseason hasn’t been eradicated yet. We lose a key player on both O and D to injury around the mid-point of the season. The team gives a scrappy fight for the remainder of the season, but doesn’t have the depth yet to overcome injuries and ends up 8-8 and out of playoff contention.
The silver lining is our rooks and backups get needed experience, and when the starters return we are primed for a playoff run in 2011.
Jason Whitte:
7-9. I’m just not that optimistic this year. I think we’re trending the right way, but I think that this year we take a step back while we continue to rebuild the defensive line, and I don’t anticipate Jamal Williams being available the entire season.
I hope that I’m wrong, and would dearly love a 10-6 record, I can’t see it.
Broncs55:
10-6. I’ve been saying it before our first preseason game, but I think 10-6 and 2nd in the division… maybe 1st in the division if the Chargers blow some big ones!
Flunkie:
I see 10-6.Split the home/away with Oak and SD both – Sweep KC
The game to watch is against Indy – we have many question marks about our defense and O line – they have two weeks to settle in before meeting one of the truely elite teams in the league. A good tight performance, even in a losing effort, would do much to cement the squad and propel them to the next level. I expect the same prep that McD put into the Pats game last year – but Manning is just a little too much to handle at this point in our development.
kimbertr:
Dolts go 10-6 also. Typical SD slow start and they give up divisional games they might win latter in the year – end up with a 3-3 divisional record. Broncos at 10-6 and a 4-2 divisional record takes the division ….. and we finish strong in December to set up a playoff run
If I had more confidence in the lines I think we could be better than 8-8. But I am not. With that said, I do agree the Chiefs and Raiders got better but did they get that much better? I think not. Our problem is we dont know just how much better we have really gotten. We have seen signs in the preseason like
A. Better scoring in the redzone
B. Throwing the ball down the field more
C. significantly improved Special TeamsBut::: our not knowing on the rushing front. Not knowing if we can stop the run. almost equates those improvements out.
I hope they are 10-6 or better but not holding my breath we are better than 8-8
agentj007:
I haven’t been able to come off of my 6-10 prediction, but I certainly would not complain if the Broncos follow your script.
numeraluno:
9-7. if we are pimarily healthy, 10-6
topnation:
9-7, 2nd in the division. IF we stay healthy. My hope all along has been 11-5, but in reality, I think the decade-long playoff run begins next year and Super Bowl contenders the year after that. I am excited for our young depth.
Nick Cast:
8-8, until Denver proves we aren’t
Santa Fe Bronc:
10-6 and a Surprising Playoff Run! Yep, mark me down. We’re, not going to lose all the away game in our division. And I actually think we can beat the Jets. I think it will be an interesting game as their strength is running and ours is passing. I call that a toss-up possibly giving Denver an even better record.
I think we can say good-bye to folding in the stretch. The culture of football in the Bronco’s clubhouse is changing and I think that’s where the public will first notice it. After what are arguably 6 upsets in a row last year, McD said he couldn’t find a way for the team to recover from loses. You know he’s worked on this mentally and emotionally with the team, and I think we’re going to see the fruits of that labor this season—remember most of those upsets last year were against playoff teams.
That’s why I think that once Denver breaks the bubble of folding in the stretch, they will be a formidable playoff opponent. Hopefully they line and rbs will be healthy, and other injuries limited. If that’s the case, we a lock to win the wild card round, and possibly the divisional round as well. What the Jets did last year, the Broncos will do this year.
There you have it Mr. Demon. And if you try to torment me with my predictions at a later date, you’ll have to deal with some formidable exorcists I know!
Royal_Fan:
But looking at the schedule, I really don’t see why we couldn’t be a 12-4 team… IMO the Chiefs and Raiders are that much improved, and I also don’t think the Chargers are as good as they’ve been in the past. 4 wins in the division seems very doable to me. (1 loss to the chargers and a slip against one of the other two).
I think we can take the Jags, Seahawks, Titans, Jets, 49ers, Rams, Cardinals and Texans
Even on the other two, I could see us finally knocking off the Colts after last year’s performance, and after our preseason slamfest with the Steelers, even the Ravens aren’t out of the question for me… But maybe I’ve just been drinking way too much McD flavored Kool-aid…
Beer30Bronc:
9-7, I agree with your predictions but I could see the last game a W to make it 10-6.
swg777:
Orton’s numbers improve despite a mediocre running offense. The defense remains weak against the run and the DB’s somehow manage to hold the fort down. Nice post. I can’t stand all the prognosticators that are never held accountable!
KaptainKirk:
I said 10-6 in the Annual, and I stand by it. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. After two Draftivus’ I know that I’m not Omniscient. Lol
bfree2bronc:
10-6 bbuuuuttttttttttttttt, 13-3 until we ain’t!
Bob in Boulder:
The only real question marks on the team:
1. Can they run the ball?
2. Can they stop the run?
3. Can they pressure the QB without Doom?So the season largely rests on Orton, McD, and a brand new defensive coordinator. Sorry, but my real prediction is 6-10. I hope I’m wrong, of course.
Jibblescribbits:
I think both lines are a real big question mark. Also Losing Brandon Marshall is going to hurt a lot. Orton has looked good, and maybe he relied too much on Marshal and having 3-4 of approximately the same quality receivers is forcing him to look at all his options instead of just honing in on Marshal, but I could see it being a problem too.
6-10
BroncoSense72:
Put me down as a "13-3 Until We Ain't" guy. Always have been, and always will be, the eternal optimist…Glass 3/4 full…Always hopeful for the best, even against all odds and prevailing opinion…Please don’t ask for facts, statistics, etc. to back-up my opinion because I could care less…I shall leave all of that stuff to y’all…
I believe the future is bright for our Broncos and, that the future mat already be here!!!
Playoffs as divisional Champs -
The Review:
So this isn't meant as a bashing session or to mock someone, considering I was as wrong as anyone, but more a chance to self reflect and poke a little fun at yourself. While last season sucked, we can look at how much hope we had last season and realize that we didn't think that things would turn out bad, and that we can have hope next season.
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This post is so useless
Sometimes, I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
by grind_core on Apr 19, 2011 9:47 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Come on grind...
play nice. I think the post would be better utilized if we all come up with predictions again. I missed out last year but want in this year.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
It's too early in my opinion to make predictions
Rather it was a follow up that I said in the original post I would do. Accountability means nothing unless it is brought up again. I’m planning on doing a similar thing again this season though as well.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Yes, max, do this again. I like it.
And I appreciate you taking the time to post this.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Apr 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Will do
It will be tough to predict this season though, with likely a shortened mini camp and TC and less FA and trades going on, so it could be a surprise season for a lot of fans, for better or for worse.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Apr 19, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
whats with everyone hating on posts?
cant they just exist for those who find them interesting to enjoy and comment on? I found it very interesting, I love the whole time capsule effect.
by MTBroncosFan on Apr 19, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, that's what I was going for
To see how right or wrong we were before the season started, and in my case, mock myself for being so wrong.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh come on. This post was a good one.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
does any of this sound familiar.....
“I suppose I’m edgy”
“I realize my tone And wrote it willingly. I wrote it because that is how I felt. As another person who doesn’t hold back, I believe you understand sometimes you don’t care how you come off, you just don’t like the topic.”
“Finally, in terms of my tone, if it offends you, I’m sorry, you have never been one to tread lightly, mince words or play nice, and because of that, I took the tone I felt would strike a cord. Had this been Nick, I would have spoken differently, or Tim or anyone else. I speak differently depending on whom I’m speaking with. My tone reflects the person I am speaking with, and I in no way look down on you, or look at you below me, I just feel that a person, like yourself, who is always so blunt, should be talked to in the way he usually speaks to others.”
Sometimes, I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
We know.
How about a prognostication?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
sorry you already have been booked
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
“I just feel that a person, like yourself, who is always so blunt, should be talked to in the way he usually speaks to others”
Sounds like something someone would say to me. Patronizing, but cleaver in it’s rudeness. I would give it a +1, but the ""I suppose I’m edgy" comment is the very definition of douche-ness. So no points awarded in this round.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
The edy comment was half of a sentance
It was followed by me giving a reason for being edgy, and not in the sense of being cool, rather being on edge. He took that comment out of context.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Good, because it sounded like something the “Goth Kid” antagonist would say on an episode of South Park.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Haha nope, no goth here
Just on edge at that time, work was stressful and I was just tired and in an airport, not a good combination.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Grind is just using a quote from max on a previous post by gnarly.
I suppose grind just wanted to let max see what it feels like to be on the receiving end of a comment such as that.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
You are allowed to believe that
But at least give some reasons, rather then just quote me to mock me. I at least gave a number of paragraphs in explanation, and while I have no problem with people calling my posts useless, I expect a reason, rather then just an insult.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm just guessing that's what grind was intending
based upon the back-and-forth the two of you had going on gnarly’s post.
However, I like this post and I’m glad that you took the time and effort to do so.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Apr 19, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
7-9
I think Orton gets traded as soon as the Broncos are able to deal him to a needy team. The defense is improved somewhat, however even with newly infused talent the learning curve loses us a couple of tight games. I don’t expect many if any blowouts. We will see some flashes of hope with some groans of “Doooh”.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I'll take 7-9 over 4-12 any day
But it is still sad to be happy to predict a losing record.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
7-9 sounds really good
after last year, maybe with some close games to give hope for 2012.
by MTBroncosFan on Apr 19, 2011 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I try
to look at the positives instead. Life is easier that way.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Or more disappointing when you expected 13-3 in 2010 and McD to win a few Super Bowls as our coach.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
I thought he was a long term solution as well.
Oh well, we can all start anew.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I kept pushing a better than 8-8 record because I wanted McD to be held accountable if we had a losing record.
But I was expecting something like 7-9 last year. Our awfulness and the extent of McD’s terrible GM decisions and his just as terrible coaching even caught me off guard. I did not foresee us as 2nd worst team in the NFL. Josh can no longer claim he hasn’t been apart of a below 0.500 team. He was the captain of the worst ship in Bronco history. Ahoy all not aboard.
I predict a 6th playoff-less season in 2011, but it should be much better than the last five that ended worst than they started.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
I don’t want to. The thought of another loss filled season makes me sad.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
He’ll probably try to tell himself and others that because accountability is a one way street with Josh.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Ol' Bob in Boulder nearly nailed it all completely. He should win the Carnac the Magnificent award!!
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
Agreed, he was pretty good with his prediction
Much better then myself. swg777 also had good predictions.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh, yeah, swg had it pegged as well.
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
by FloridaFan62 on Apr 19, 2011 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Well currently McG holds the MHR Cup of Rightness
So maybe we need another award, Carnac the Magnificent award, hmm, maybe that would work.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s right ####es. I’m in 1st place.
Yes my trophy is only two inches tall, but it’s very shiny.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
5-11....ink it!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Hey one more win then last season
Better then regressing I suppose.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I really 'brain' farted that one and didn't realize the impact of Doom's injury and play on the field...
I think the injury to Doom and the Jacksonville game early in the season sapped the defense and they really never recovered…I got the feeling they laid down on McD and lead to his ultimate firing…Tried to make a run with it when Tebow was in the game but it was too late..They just wanted the season to be over. Now that we have a new regime and new faces will appear on defense I think we will be a little better but nothing spectacular…If we win 5 games this year I will be happy and it might signal that we are on our way to the top…Play hard guys no matter who’s under center and get it done…6-10 for 2011…
6-10 was my gut pick
but I gave one big comeback win to Tebow.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Ha Ha...That is with 3-4 Tebow comebacks...
I don’t see this team suddenly becoming much better this year and partly to blame is the lockout of the players and lack of Free Agency…We’re stuck in the mud and set teams are loving it…If the lockout get’s settled in the next week or 2 then I’ll be more optimistic about the whole thing, but right now the new regime won’t be able to salvage the players we have and get them to play that much better…Here’s hoping though to 13-3 Baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2011 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions
I have a feeling
the injunction will be granted so that is what I am basing my prediction on.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I think a lot of us failed in our predictions
It was a tough season to predict.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
I would have said last year that we were too talented not to be in play-off contention
I think that points to how bad McD was in inspiring people. When Ellis said that he had to be fired to bring peace back to Dove Valley I think it makes sense now. We’re far more talented than a lot of people give us credit for.
I think this year with Fox we make the play-offs for sure. I reserve the right to change my mind depending on the draft though.
Good point
we should wait till after the draft, but I see a pleasant shift in the stability of the FO that gives me enough confidence that I won’t be left stunned after drafts.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions
More than words
McD promised a mentally tough team. Instead, he gave us the mentally weakest team in Bronco history. One that would fold so bad an average Raider team would murder our spirit on our own home field.
McD made a lot of false promises, but the reality was the man produced a team in line with his insecurities and deficiencies as a coach and man.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Yeah, I remember the "no more my bad" statement...
McD should have looked in the mirror and made that statement to himself. because, all I want to do is win a MF game!
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Now I'm confused
Was it that McD fielded horrible players, as I have read in so many other posts – bad draft picks, FA pick-ups, or that he had good players but couldn’t motivate them because he had too many “insecurities and deficiencies as a coach and man”?
And by the way, that last phrase is simply over the top in my opinion. You don’t reach the level of success that he has by being an insecure and deficient coach and person.
Isn’t it possible that coaches and teams just don’t play well or lose games for a whole variety of reasons – not solely attributable to one person – including lot’s of randomness, chance, bad breaks? Is it justified to pin everything bad from last year on McD?
And if you answer me “no” and “yes” to the above two questions – then I challenge any kind of optimism you show for this year with the coach of the Broncos having previously coached the only team in the NFL to have done worse than the Broncos last year – by your logic, it must have been his fault, too. Or you have a double standard.
What I feel so often is that while someone is a Bronco, we tread lightly in criticism. When they leave, we become relentless in our criticism – lacking balance in both cases. Much of it also seems to be 20/20 hindsight criticism, as well. However, I will grant you that McGeorge has been relatively consistent in his criticism of McD throughout.
I, for one, wish that McD had been given his “three years” that I thought would have been the minimum time needed to turn the team more toward the Patriot model, (there was a great article about this by one of the MHR people on a different site that was recommended in someone’s post – sorry just can’t remember where/when). It was a difficult task that was going to take time, but a worthy one, I thought. And I can’t help wondering what McD would have done with Tebow.
But the thorough trashing of McD just seems unfair and beneath us at MHR. Just my two yen.
by dwinjapan on Apr 19, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
I still think
as I did when he was fired, that he got a raw deal. He should have at least been able to finish out the year and possibly 2011 to see his “vision” through a little more thoroughly. It’s funny, some folks act as if he took over a Super Bowl caliber team from Mike Shanahan, which couldn’t be further from the truth. Oh well, no use worrying about it now, what’s done is done. I’m all for pulling for the new regime with the hopes that Fox and the boys can restore our winning ways sooner rather than later.
Sometimes, I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
+1
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Well said
The only caviat I would add…
McD should not have been allowed to assume the role of a GM and make personnel decisions. I don’t care how capable someone is, they will not be successful wearing 4 hats: head coach, offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach, and general manager.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
He wasn't QB coach
But I agree with you, I think McD could have experienced at least a slightly greater level of success had he not taken on GM roles as well.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I believe he was QB coach as well
His brother worked with the QBs, but it was McD that made sure they got the instruction he believed they needed.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
According to the Broncos page
Ben McD was QB Coach officially. Here are a few more links about it, 1, 2, 3, 4. He was promoted in 2010.
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by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:23 PM MDT up reply actions
You don't seem to get it max
Ben was QB’s coach as much as McCoy was calling plays as OC. These guys held their positions in name only, while McD was coordinating everything. It was a classic case of a young man in a position of authority for the first time, not knowing how to delegate, and basically trying to run everything by himself. That’s the point I am making.
You give me links, I’ll give you a photo. This is all you need to know about who was in charge of the QBs:

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
If you say so
Not much I can say to convince you I suppose if links won’t work. But hey, have a photo as well:
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LOL
You sure don’t get it, do you? Josh was in charge. Ben worked with the QBs and was listed as the QB coach, but if you’re so gullible that you actually believe Josh wasn’t pulling the strings, then this is hopeless.
Do you take everything literally? It won’t serve you well if you do. By that logic, McCoy was the offensive coordinator and Xanders was the GM.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
He tends to.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
I found this post very funny.
Wasn’t it me that used to call a lot of you guys gullible for believing Xanders was the GM in 2009 and 2010.
For the record, I think you are right here. Josh surrounded himself with incompetence or less than NFL caliber coaching talent. As one of the only talented coaches on the staff or in the front office, he had to micromanage because he couldn’t trust Xanders, McCoy, Wink, Priefer, Barone, etc to effectively do their jobs. He was right not to trust these guys because these guys weren’t doing their jobs well.
If I didn’t hate McD so much, I’d feel bad for him because of what Joe Ellis did by making Josh the emperor of the Broncos. McD was way too young and inexperienced. Nor did he have enough NFL contacts to assemble the staff he really needed.
Of course, when he did have Nolan, he ran Mike off when two abrasive personalities clashed. Who knows, I’m just glad we’ve moved in a much different direction, even if I’m pissed Xanders is still around when he shouldn’t be.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
You're saying this to me because...?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Because it’s fun….. and true….
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Talk about Deja Vu
We’ve had this conversation already, here. You might want to read it this time.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Sigh, so if links, quotes and photos aren't proof enough
To change your mind, this isn’t going anywhere.
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by Topher Doll on Apr 20, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Man I was quite a bit off
Guess when I said “playing it safe” I wasn’t playing it safe enough. BTW I love this accountability stuff.
Orton, Tebow, Quinn, who cares as long as the Broncos win.
wow I forogt how wrong I was.
Thanks for re posting and showing our Mile High optimism. Looking back I knew but had hope anyway which clouded my thoughts. I had forgotten how the preseason had changed my mind and thought we had a chance.
Fun stroll down last years predictions. Thanks for posting it.
No problem
It shows how off anyone usually is, especially when predicting the team they root for because they want that team to succeed.
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by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
While I agree with this statement,
and I’m glad that you either skipped mine or mine was in another post because man I was off too,
I would still say that with a healthy Doom, and Orton having the winning attitude many of us once thought, we would have had a much better season.
I won’t speculate further about play calling etc.. because I don’t know enough about it. But yea…we stunk with a team that was talented enough to at least meet or beat .500
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- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Thanks Maxwell
A nice review. Accountability should help increase wisdom.
What I am truly interested in is whether God had any choice in the creation of the world.
Albert Einstein
It hopefully will allow people to put more thought into what they predict
But I put a lot of thought into my prediction and that didn’t end well, so who knows. Either way, accountability is helpful, at least in my mind.
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I just wish folks like Kiper and McShay, et. al., had to do this with their draft prognostications!
"It is our attitude at the beginning of a difficult task which, more than anything else, will affect its successful outcome." - William James
I remember them jostling each other last year pre draft
They had a highlight real of the Hair’s predictions as well as McShay’s.
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
by BeachBronco on Apr 19, 2011 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Mike Mayock said Moreno and Robert Ayers were the two best players at the 2009 NFL draft.
Too bad he was way wrong with that prognostication.
I’d rather have Clay Matthews and Arian Foster or LeSean McCoy..
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
Dont remind me...
Seeing those names makes me sick. If we had Mathews and McCoy or Foster, we would be miles closer to being rebuilt. I just hope we dont leave a talent like Mathews on the table by picking need over talent. I am in the Dareus camp but an impact player like Mathews would be sweet.
by MTBroncosFan on Apr 19, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
MCG I will give you mathews and McCoy but dont say Foster, HE WAS UNDRAFTED. Thats like saying I would have taken Tom Brady
No one knew Foster would be this good (ZB scheme helps to).
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"Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast. "
by The 3 Amigos on Apr 19, 2011 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah but
the statement holds true with Mathews alone. Hind site, funny how its always 20/20.
by MTBroncosFan on Apr 19, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you have to give Thompson in GB some credit here...
if I remember correctly Matthews was the lesser of the 3 LB from USC according to the experts and Thompson traded up to get him. I could be wrong about the exact scenario but there were more teams wrong than right when it came to Matthews…IMO
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Apr 19, 2011 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
true..
Thompson has done a great job almost exclusively building thru the draft. He’s missed on some 1st rounders prior to Raji and Matthews but does a wonderful job selecting talented players throughout the draft every year.
You are correct Matthews was the least coveted of the 3 for the most part. Cushing was held highest and some scouts did see it closer with Maualuga and Matthews because Rey ran slower than expected and had a hamstring injury at the combine and Clay showed wonderful athleticism for a man his size.
Clay was a 200 lb walk-on safety at USC and bulked up to a 250 lb starting LB by his senior season.
by JuiceIsLoose on Apr 19, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
No doubt
I give the Packers FO all of the credit in the world. Would still have loved McD to see what Thompson saw in Mathews.
by MTBroncosFan on Apr 20, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I've been in Antartica for a year...
i’ve been told we won the super bowl last year…H E double hockey sticks yea!
the internet? that thing is still around?
~Homer Simpson
After. And Elvis isn’t worth 5 games. We just underestimated how bad our talent and coaching truly was.
ConradA to me "You should actually watch a Broncos game from a critical point of view. Put away the orange and blue glasses for a game and watch." Maybe I'll try that sometime Conrad, but I'm not sure I'm ready for that just yet.
I do think having Doom would have helped us beat crap teams like Arizona and the Rams.
Bradford and Skelton had a full hour to throw the ball back there.
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I don't know about the AZ game...
to lose by 30 to a team lead by Skelton gives whole new meaning to terrible
The QB position is set!
by broncofaninIL on Apr 19, 2011 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
But when your QB is playing injured and you have no defense, well, we saw what happened.
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Like McG said, it was after
This was my final prediction post, which took place at the end of the pre-season, when all talent has been evaluated and we’ve seen the team in action.
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“8-8 until Denver proves we aren’t”
We should proved we aren’t..
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I was on the 9-7 wagon. I think it's safe to say that we were all a little bit off.
The Elvis injury really set us back.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
Injuries tend to do that
Especially to big time players.
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From what I remember
half the defense lost significant time to injuries.
B-Dawk should’ve been out for more games than he was, trying to play through his injury. Mays was lost to injury just as he was beginning to play like a starting ILB. Goodman missed as many as 10-12 games. Ayers returned too soon from his injury.
Wink may have impressed his players with his knowledge, but clearly he had some holes in his scheme. He also thought he could stop offenses with 10 men on the field on more than one occasion. That didn’t help the season.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
Y'all are chumps
10-6. And the division. ;)
Picture it. Raiders fall. Chargers fall. Chiefs, well, probably beat us. But for the sake of optimism i say they go 9-7. We are the new look thoroughbreds will fire for manes and Ice in our veins. The D is vastly improved and the offense controls the clock better. We trample the Lions, Raiders 2x, stampede the Chargers 2x, Dolphins, Bengals, Vikings, Bills and Titans.
We’re not just you’re average mustang. Next year: we’re Broncos. The Salute is back BABY! Kool- aid comes in one color. Orange.
Bleed(ing out) the Orange and Blue
How did you do in the cheerleader tryout ;o)
Seriously though, didn’t they just announce the new squad?
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
well...
There’s always room for one more. We meet every Sunday in Qualcomm. ;)
Seriously tho. 10-6. And the division. And Qualcomm becomes victim of a vicious earthquake that levels the stadium and nothing else. :) book it.
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions
And may I just say
Comparatively speaking, I would say Denver is hands down number one in terms of quality cheerleaders.
I mean seriously, is there anything better in this world than our gorgeous women shakin it in orange cowgirl getups and white boots?
We have the finest set of cheerleaders in the nation. AND THAT"S A SCIENTIFIC FACT!
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Here's a link to the new squad
You can be dumb... that's ok! There are many dumb people.
You can be an a$$hole... that's ok! There are many of these as well.
Unfortunately you cannot be both...
Ok... prove me wrong.
Yee-Haw
Yee- Haw indeed
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha ;)
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
nicely put
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Awesome!
Give me 10-6 and the wildcard, we will have an easy schedule and sneak up on some people like Kansas City did this year!
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Hell YA BROTHA!
Now that’s what I’m talking about
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by WhyBroncosWhy? on Apr 19, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
I’m sick of fans saying how bad we’re gonna suck. We are not that bad before the draft, let alone getting three of the top 46 players in the draft. 4-12 be damned. It ain’t happening again. It was a fluke. It is a fine line between a win and a loss in the NFL. Sure we got dominated in a couple of games, but yeah 10-6 is my prediction as well.
A little nasty on defense would be nice.
nice compilation, max.
that’s actually a fun read to see who nailed it and who didn’t. looks like most of us are wearing orange sunglasses.
I'm not sugarcoating this.
Agreed
It was a pretty enjoyable, if not sad, read when I went back through my old post and read the prediction and comments, but hey, hopefully I can learn to predict better from what mistakes I made last year.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I must have predicted on a different thread, but I think my predictions varied anyway.
I wouldn’t have counted Dumervil as being worth more than two wins, though. I think the only two candidates last season were the Jets and San Francisco. Every other loss we either had huge deficits or a putrid offense that wasn’t good enough anyway.
I definitely think the other two losses can be chalked up to injuries though. Even outside of Dumervil, our injury stats were horrendous, especially on defense. I wish there were a stat that showed us how many person-games we missed from players projected to start. It was really extreme for us last season, and this is after being one of the least injured teams in the league in 2009.
At any rate, I think we’re back to 8-8 this next season. I think the combination of Dumervil, Tebow, and better talent/scheme/coordinators will improve things, and I’m assuming a more sane injury rate, but I also think we have a harder schedule this year than last.






































