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NFL Draft: Top Ten Denver Broncos Draft Busts - #8 George Foster

The Denver Broncos have had their share of ups and downs in the NFL Draft.  Over the next few weeks, we'll look at the highest of highs and lowest of lows.  We'll start with the Top-10 Draft Busts in Broncos history, followed by the Top-10 Draft picks in team history.  Agree or disagree, this will help us pass the time as we march full-steam ahead towards the 2011 NFL Draft.

We move on to #8.  Let's be honest, the NFL Draft has not been kind to the Broncos in the past.  Especially the early round selections.  To limit the picks to 10 is the hard part.  I'll do my best.

#8 - George Foster, OT - Georgia(2003, 1st Round, #20 Overall)

I could have went a few different directions here.  This is a tough part of the list because there are so many names that need to go higher.  I settled on Foster over a few other candidates mainly because he was a first round pick.  That will always hold more weight - and since Foster started some games for the Broncos he avoided being much higher.

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After a solid career at the University of Georgia, the Broncos selected Foster with the 20th pick on the 2003 NFL Draft.  The Broncos needed to secure their left tackle of the future and Foster seemed like a good value.  Foster didn't see the field his rookie season, however, and very early on there were questions about the kind of player Foster would become.

Foster started 45 of a possible 48 games the next three seasons for the Broncos, but at right tackle.  Late in the 2006 season, however, Foster was benched by Mike Shanahan in favor of veteran Adam Meadows.  Foster struggled at times with mental mistakes, the kind that drive coaches and fans crazy.

On March 2, 2007, the Broncos traded Foster along with running back Tatum Bell and a draft pick to the Detroit Lions for CB Dre Bly.  He spent two lackluster seasons in Detroit before being released in 2009.  After spending the 2009 preseason with the Cleveland Browns, Foster found himself out of football before former Broncos FM Ted Sundquist signed him to a contract to play for the UFL's Omaha Nighthawks.  Several former Broncos played for the Nighthawks, including TE Jeb Putzier, DL Demetrian Veal and RB Maurice Clarett.

Another first round pick who lasted just 4 years with the Broncos, a high pick sent packing just when he should reaching his prime.  Picks like this one a good reason - among many others - why the Broncos are in the position they are in today.

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Jeez

and that wasn’t even a good trade for Bly :(

Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.

by Sean in Pa. on Apr 7, 2011 7:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Bad analysis John

First, I am not going to debate if Foster belongs in the top 10. I can understand how using certain criteria he could be placed in the top 10. The problem with this pick is there was no way of knowing this would be a bad pick. Anyone who has played/coached the offensive line KNOWS Foster had ELITE F-ING TALENT. I remember one play on the goal line where he stuck a shoulder into a defensive tackle and drove him, literally, off the ball 4 yards. For those who don’t know doing this to a quality defensive tackle, well, it just does not happen. I almost wept as I saw the play. Foster also had incredible feet for his size and excellent strength.

For some reason Foster did not want put in the required work to go from elite talent to elite player. There was NOTHING in his background that indicated this would be his problem. This was a great pick from a talent stand point and, people forget, if it had not been for an injury to his wrist before the draft he may have gone higher.

Any discussion of Foster being a bust that does not discuss that he had elite talent is very incomplete. I have not seen the compete list, of course, but the number 10 pick was a bad one. There are way worse picks in bronco history and sure as hell are more than 10 of them than wasting a second round pick on a bust. The number 10 pick and this, make me wonder, if there is much more emphasis being placed on shanny’s tenure than over the entire history. Just for reference, Phonz was a FAR WORSE PICK, than Paul at #10. We gave up a mid first round pick for Phonz and got nothing for him. Unless he is on the list, tell me how he is not a worse pick them both Foster and Paul. As much of a bust as Foster was given his draft selection at 8 and lack of a long and productive career, he at least started games for the broncos, as opposed to the phonz.

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 8:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Elite talent?

I disagree, but i get the point of what you are saying. To be fair, for close to the past 30 years the Broncos have had 3 head coaches. So far, the list has 2 from Shanny’s tenure and 1 from Dan Reeves. Those guys should dominate the list since they coached the Broncos for a combined 25 years – half the team’s history. Add to that the importance the Draft has taken – both in terms of building a team and financially – and you’ll see more recent selections.

If, at the end of the list, you take exception, I’m fine with that. Remember, this list is starting at #10 and working towards the worst. If I focus on the Shanny era, forgive me, but there is going to be more weight to a time in Broncos history that saw the franchise go from a 2-time Super Bowl champion to what we are today. Yes, McDaniels had a say in that as well, but failed drafts from 1999 —> 2005 were huge as well…

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

True and shanny did have some bad drafts :(

Foster was an elite talent, that is why he fell to #8

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Really

A guy who started over 40 games for us through multiple winning seasons was one of our top-10 busts? Really? It seems like there has to be worse than that from the 60s/70s/80s/90s…. to me this smacks of short timeframe narrow vision.

Was he a good pick? no…. was he one of the 10worst in franchise history? I truly doubt it.

Looking forward to seeing the rest of the list.

by cjfarls on Apr 7, 2011 8:33 AM MDT reply actions  

I am noticing an early shanny bias...

Not having seen the entire list, this maybe a lack of a large enough sample size. I can guarantee, however, as a life long bronco fan since the 1970’s that there have been far worse picks than a second round pick that busted at #10 and underachieving Foster at #8. The truth is, at this moment Moreno is no more a success than Foster was. Notice nobody is beating down Denver’s door to trade for Moreno the highest back picked in his draft. I am not saying Moreno will be a bust, but if his production stays the same the next couple years and the broncos move in another direction, would he receive the same treatment as Foster? Would he be placed on the list, and if not, then why put Foster at 8?

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

And you bias...

Is towards McDaniels. I understand what you are saying, but I can’t call a guy a bust after two years. That is, unless he never plays a game in the NFL – Toviessi – or never plays the position he was drafted and paid to play – Foster. This list is in descending order, meaning 7 through 1 are worse…

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

McD will ultimately be judged by Tebow

If he got that pick right, a franchise quarterback is hard to find, then the rest will be noise that will be forgotten.

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Foster had all the tools to be a left tackle...

he did not have the habitual work habits that are needed to make a great player. Again, this did not show up in any background checks, other teams would have chosen him before the broncos except for the wrist injury.

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

That still doesn't mean hes not a bust.

I dont care what kind of talent he had he didnt use it.

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by Pmoreno95 on Apr 7, 2011 11:32 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

But wouldn't be the definition of a bust be

a guy who has the tools/talent to be an effective player at his position but does not live up to that potential?

I’m not being sarcastic here, I’m curious how different people are defining the term “bust.”

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Apr 7, 2011 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Has the tools but doesn't have the shed

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by KaptainKirk on Apr 7, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

just to highlight my point

Some worse picks just quickly off the top of my head that I hope are above Foster in your scale:
J.Moss, Phonz, M.Nash, W.Middlebrooks, Clarrett, T.Pierce, etc… thats 6 just since Shanny (when we’ve been generally a very good team), so I can’t imagine how bad some of them were in the darker years… there aren’t 3 from pre-1990 worse than Foster?

Toviessi was far worse too…

by cjfarls on Apr 7, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

The ONLY reason..

Toviessi got a pass was because he got hurt. To me, underachieving is much worse than getting hurt…

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

My problem with Toviessi...

… was that everybody knew he had BIG injury flags. He was overdrafted for the risk he entailed…. if he’d stayed healthy, he could’ve been a high reward pick, but the high risk made me think even at the time: “WTF are these guys thinking!?!?!”

by cjfarls on Apr 7, 2011 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

If he was, say, Courtney Brown, he’s not on the list at all. Brown was as good as advertised but couldn’t stay healthy. Toviessi making the list is more about the evaluation process than a knock on the player. The overriding theme in this was a broken philosophy in overdrafting for need.

Love the debate everyone!!!

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

And yes..

I know Courtney Brown was drafted by the Browns. I was just using him as an example…

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed, which is why Foster's selection confuses me...

Foster was appropriately drafted given his potential and known flags at the time… we got some pretty decent value out of him, but he just didn’t work out as well as he had the potential to. But, if every bad pick we made gave us 40 semi-quality starts, we’d be a pretty good team….

I have a hard time calling him our 8th worst pick given that incongruency. I even have a hard time calling him a major bust at all, because he exceeded the average NFL career and probably gave us the expected value of a ~#50-#75 draftpick… thats below where he was drafted, but not horrible either.

by cjfarls on Apr 7, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can respect that...

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

  I normally expect a first round pick to be a starter for there team until they retire. seeing as how Foster did not last very long I would consider him a bust. Dont know how hi I woyld put him but a first round pick is expected to play and be an elite atarter for years. And just because he had the tool and the talent and the eliteness in college doesnt mean that they transition very well into the nfl, making them busts. If moreno is given a couple more years and he doesnt give us the production he is expected to then would consider him a bust aswell.

by broncs27 on Apr 7, 2011 11:16 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I do consider him a "bust"

… under the definition of any pick that performs less than the expected value for their draft position… he definitely underperformed his draft position.

But given Foster gave us maybe 3rd rounder value, I see it as a relatively minor bust (vs.an all-time top-10).

Moreno could still do the same too, though again we are still getting some decent value out of him in the meantime (though definitely not yet to his draft position).

by cjfarls on Apr 7, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I struggled with that as well...

I guess it comes down to how we each define a bust. Foster was a tough choice for me, but the fact he was selected to play LT, never did, then ended up being PACKAGED in a trade that included another starter(Bell) and a draft pick for Dre Bly weighed on me…

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify that block by Foster was against an NFL defensive tackle

and a quality one at that. He did not just have elite college talent, he had elite nfl talent, but did not use it.

by Keyworthpunch on Apr 7, 2011 8:34 AM MDT reply actions  

A lot of guys have “elite” talent and still suck. Having elite talent doesn’t mean you can’t be a bust.

by Kwash on Apr 7, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who and what game?

Not that I doubt you.

But you almost shed a tear by a block, so I’m sure this play is able to be looked up and viewed by others.

Please tell me who and what game.

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by Scrappy Bill on Apr 8, 2011 6:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

At the time,

I wanted either him or Kwame Harris of Stanford because OT was Denver’s biggest need. Little did I know, the Foster pick would be the start of one of the worst, if not the worst, Bronco drafts in history.

A bigger bust at OT that Denver had, though, was in 1979 when they took Kelvin Clark from Nebraska over OT Kent Hill of Georgia Tech, who went on to be an All-Pro with the Rams while Clark barely saw the field in Denver in three years.

by PABroncofan on Apr 7, 2011 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

While do appreciate you doing this series John

This may be a painful list to read through for us koolaid drinkers. Each lost draft selection rehashed is like a punch in the gut.

by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Apr 7, 2011 8:41 AM MDT reply actions  

As painful...

as it is for you, it is doubly for me. When this list i done, we break down to Best picks by the Broncos, looking for positive vibes heading into the Draft.

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by John Bena on Apr 7, 2011 8:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Insanity

Repeating the same mistakes expecting different results. Reaching for players, drafting injured players, Shannahan, Mcd had aproblem with this. Everybody makes mistakes, but it’s a bad habit. But Foster actually played a little

by Baghdad on Apr 7, 2011 9:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Every year I was excited to see what Foster would do...

until he was traded… That was essentially the highlight of his career.

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by Jezru on Apr 7, 2011 9:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Look back on these picks, I’m still amazed we were able to field a reasonably competitive team for most of the last decade.

by BroncoTwins on Apr 7, 2011 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

A lot of that was due to Shanahans coaching

Say what you will about his drafting, but that guy was a true offensive genius

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by Calikula on Apr 7, 2011 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm with you John

good selection. He is a bust because he never played LT, never lived up to his potential, and was here for a limited number of years. He didn’t live up to expectations, which means he’s a bust. His potential actually makes him even more of a bust

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by DBroncs1414 on Apr 7, 2011 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

Your definion of a bust...

“He didn’t live up to expectations, which means he’s a bust.” – DBroncs1414

By that definition, most players (and coaches) in history have been a bust somewhere and to somebody…:) I can think of a recently departed coach who fit that description in spades.

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by MoB.DeadMeat on Apr 7, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Subjective Analysis

There is a decided anti-Shanahan bias to this series. That’s not particularly surprising from some MHR sources. However, truth be told, Mike Shanahan was not very successful in his top round Draft selections. Personally, I believe that was because Shanahan tended to focus on only certain aspects of a a candidates abilities with the preconception that the player could be coached into fitting the system. That’s also, I believe, the reason he was willing to workout and sign so many “bust” players during his career. A real second chances man. Unfortunately some players are more coachable than others. Top draft picks generally receive signing deals which lessen their incentive to change and perform…just look at JaMarcus Russell. at least, Foster was useful to the team for a few years and eventually helped to sweeten the pot on a trade deal. All in all, that can’t be considered a true “bust”.

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by MoB.DeadMeat on Apr 7, 2011 2:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Define Bust

To me, a bust is the end result.

Never lived up to potential, injury, bad upbringing whatever, the bottom line is production.

For where Foster was drafted, we should expect a very good player for many years.

What we got was a starer for 40 games. That’s not a bust. That’s below expectations.

I like this whole series and commend the author for taking the time to ease our boredom while we wait out this lockout.

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by Scrappy Bill on Apr 8, 2011 7:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Foster was not a bust.

He did not play up to expectations so we traded him. He would’ve been a good guard IMO.

A little nasty on defense would be nice.

by Digger24 on Apr 10, 2011 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sure, but he was drafted as a LT

Big money and expectation difference. Nobody drafts a Tackle Guard that high except the raiders. See Robert Gallery. Bwa hahahahahaha!

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by KaptainKirk on Apr 10, 2011 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's exactly who I was thinking of KK.

By the time we traded him, his contract had to be about up. If he worked as a guard we would’ve paid him as a guard. I understand he played under what he was drafted for though.

A little nasty on defense would be nice.

by Digger24 on Apr 10, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

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