What Makes A Great Defense?
As the 2011 NFL Draft concluded, I was left intrigued by the thought of whether a defensive lineman holds more value or has more impact than a linebacker. However, when trying to weigh the value of a DT or DE against an ILB or OLB, I found it somewhat difficult to give an honest and accurate description of both groups of defenders.
The controversy this year appears to be whether Denver made the best decision in going with OLB Von Miller over DT Marcell Dareus. Both of these players were the top rated prospects at their respective positions and would instantly fill a huge need for the Broncos' rather poor front-seven.
As hard as it might seem, Denver once fielded a pretty stout defense in many statistical categories. I went back and looked at the statistics of each year since 2000 and then compared them with Denver's roster of defensive linemen and linebackers to see if anything stood out.
The areas of study were Rush Yards Allowed per game, Rush Yards Per Carry per game, Passing Yards Allowed per game, Passing Yards per play, Turnovers, Sacks, Third Down Percentage and Points Allowed per game. While some of these stats are skewed a little to inaccurate methodology (a special teams touchdown or a turnover resulting in a touchdown negatively effect "Defensive Scoring" even when it was not against the defense) these stats do tell an interesting story. More after the chart.
| Rush | Pass | |||||||
| Year | YPG | YPR | YPG | YPP | TO | Sacks | 3rd Dn % | PPGA |
| 2000 | 99.9 | 4.6 | 246.6 | 7.3 | 44 | 44 | 35 | 23.1 |
| 2001 | 93.2 | 3.7 | 205.1 | 6.9 | 37 | 39 | 33 | 21.2 |
| 2002 | 93.1 | 3.9 | 208.6 | 6.3 | 22 | 40 | 44 | 21.5 |
| 2003 | 100.3 | 4.2 | 176.8 | 6.2 | 20 | 36 | 30 | 18.8 |
| 2004 | 94.5 | 3.8 | 184.2 | 6.6 | 20 | 38 | 31 | 19 |
| 2005 | 85.2 | 4 | 227.7 | 6.3 | 36 | 28 | 37 | 16.1 |
| 2006 | 113.3 | 4.1 | 213.1 | 6.7 | 30 | 35 | 37 | 19.1 |
| 2007 | 142.6 | 4.6 | 193.4 | 7.2 | 30 | 33 | 43 | 25.6 |
| 2008 | 146.1 | 5 | 228.5 | 7.7 | 13 | 26 | 44 | 28 |
| 2009 | 128.7 | 4.5 | 186.3 | 6.3 | 30 | 39 | 37 | 20.2 |
| 2010 | 154.6 | 4.7 | 236.2 | 7.8 | 18 | 23 | 38 | 29.4 |
Purple indicates a top-5 ranking, green a top-10 ranking and red a bottom-5 ranking.
First (a quick summary), Denver fielded a solid defense from 2001-2005. During these years, they ranked in the top-5 in at least one category each year, and including the 2000 regular season, Denver ranked in the top-10 in at least three categories.
Denver was particular consistent in run defense, yards per pass thrown and "scoring defense". Then, something dreadful occurred in the middle of 2006. Even though the stats were not too awful that year, nothing was great. Since then, Denver has been horrible at just about everything. So the questions I want to raise are simple.
Question 1: Did Denver have a defense as good as the numbers indicate from 2001-2005?
Question 2: How did Denver go from a top-10 defense consistently into a horrible defense in 1 year?
The answer to question one answers question two. Here is the chart of Denver's roster at defensive line and linebacker for years 2000-2010. What do you see? (The ones listed are the starters or the ones that had significant playing time)
| Year | Lineman | Linebackers |
| 2000 | Keith Traylor, Maa Tanuvasa, Trevor Pryce, Kavika Pittman | Al Wilson, Bill Romanowski, John Mobley, Ian Gold |
| Montae Reagor | Keith Burns | |
| 2001 | Trevor Pryce, Reggie Hayward, Bertrand Berry, Chester McGlockton | Al Wilson, Bill Romanowski, John Mobley, Ian Gold |
| Montae Reagor, Kavika Pittman | Keith Burns | |
| 2002 | Trevor Pryce, Reggie Hayward, Bertrand Berry, Chester McGlockton | Al Wilson, John Mobley, Ian Gold, Keith Burns, Donnie Spragan |
| Montae Reagor, Kavika Pittman | ||
| 2003 | Trevor Pryce, Reggie Hayward, Bertrand Berry, Darius Holland | Al Wilson, John Mobley, Ian Gold, Keith Burns, Donnie Spragan |
| Monsanto Pope | ||
| 2004 | Marco Coleman, Mario Fatafehi, Reggie Hayward, Monsanto Pope | Al Wilson, DJ Williams, Donnie Spragan, Terry Pierce, Jason Sykes |
| Trevor Pryce | ||
| 2005 | Trevor Pryce, Gerard Warren, Michael Myers, Ebenezer Ekuban | Al Wilson, DJ Williams, Ian Gold, Keith Burns |
| 2006 | Ebenezer Ekuban, Kenard Lang, Michael Myers, Gerard Warren, Elvis Dumervil |
Al Wilson, DJ Williams, Ian Gold, Nate Webster |
| Demetrin Veal | ||
| 2007 | Sam Adams, Elvis Dumervil, John Engelberger, Alvin McKinley | DJ Williams, Ian Gold, Nate Webster, Jamie Winborn |
| 2008 | Ebenezer Ekuban, Elvis Dumervil, Dewayne Robertson | Nate Webster, DJ Williams, Jamie Winborn, Boss Bailey |
| Marcus Thomas, Kenny Peterson | Wesley Woodyard | |
| 2009 | Ronald Fields, Ryan McBean, Kenny Peterson, Vonnie Holiday | Elvis Dumervil, DJ Williams, Mario Haggan, Andre Davis, Robert Ayers |
| Le Kevin Smith, Marcus Thomas | Wesley Woodyard | |
| 2010 | Justin Bannan, Kevin Vickrson, Jamal Williams, Marcus Thomas | Elvis Dumervil**, DJ Williams, Mario Haggan, Robert Ayers |
| Le Kevin Smith, Ryan McBean | Jason Hunter, Joe Mays, Wesley Woodyard |
**Indicates player was on the team but did not play during the year. Dumervil was on IR.
Denver had a great system executed by great leadership. There were solid starters across the board for both the defensive line and the linebackers in 2001. Lots of names change as the years progress. When looking at these units, there are a few standouts on the defensive line and the group of linebackers is quite impressive. Over all, I would give Denver's defensive line a grade of 7.5-8.5 from 2000-2006 and the linebackers a grade of a 9.0-9.5 from 2000-2006.
In 2007, four players stand out because two of them left and two filled their roles. Trevor Pryce left the team and Al Wilson was injured and forced to retire. Elvis Dumervil needed to replace the production from Pryce and DJ Williams moved to MLB to replace Wilson.
In 2006, Denver started out playing at a high level as they had in previous years. Dumervil was a rookie and ended up with 8.5 sacks in a 4-3 base defense despite being undersized. He came in and quickly bolstered a defensive line that lost Pryce. However, Al Wilson was lost in the middle of the year and Denver's season quickly spiraled downhill. The loss of Pryce and other talented defensive lineman prior to the 2006 regular season was masked by Al Wilson's incredible leadership, great depth at linebacker and the drafting of Dumervil.
The truth seems quite simple when you look at the rosters and performance of the defense. Denver did not have an elite defensive front-four, but they had a couple impact players each year that performed well. However, what made Denver's defense tough was the group of linebackers. Al Wilson was the constant piece that made Denver a playoff team each year. When Wilson was lost, Denver's poor front-seven was exposed as lacking talent and with starters out of position.
I do not know if Fox-Elway-Xanders (FEX I guess) saw this and put more value in a great linebacker over a great defensive tackle, but I believe they arrived at the same conclusion. Linebackers have a greater effect on defense than defensive lineman. Not only that, but Dumervil can play well as an DE - he had 26 sacks in his first 3 years. While there are still "ifs" about defensive tackles, FEX felt that Denver had absolutely no one worth keeping as a linebacker except DJ Williams, who has been playing the wrong position.
As bad as the defensive line was last year, the linebackers were less talented and more ineffective. Not only that, FEX felt Von Miller would have a greater impact as a OLB-DE player that can play several positions on the field than Dareus at DT. I am not here to say which player will be better because none of know how Von Miller and Marcell Dareus will perform as professionals.
However, I do believe they picked the best player at the MORE IMPORTANT position. Yes Denver has struggled against the run, but one of the biggest reasons for Denver's failures in the playoffs from 2001-2005 was their pass defense, turnovers and sacks. Denver was great against the run and yet never threatened Indianapolis in consecutive playoff games. I believe it takes a great front-seven to win games and Denver took the right step in bolstering the most important group on defense. Right now, Denver has 4 of the 7 players necessary with Dumvervil, Von Miller, DJ Williams and Nate Irving.
If Von Miller can have the effect Al Wilson had on defense, even though he is at a different position, the outcome will be a huge positive. The biggest need for this year in no longer related to player acquisition. It is now up to Fox and his defensive coaches to put each player in a position where they can succeed and coach them into the best players they can be.
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Articles such as these ,make me proud to be a bronco fan!!
Great read,researched well and you made valid points, great
job!!
i thought...
the idea was to have Miller and Dumerville be opposite each other… i guess i dont really understand enough of which each of the positions duties are.. and SAM and Will and whats the other one? i dont get that either, what does that signify exactly?
My understanding of your question
Sam is strongside linebacker, or the side that the TE lines up at. I think. Will is weakside, so the side that the TE is not lined up at. The third is Mike or Middle linebacker. He calls out the plays, and makes adjustments at the line and stands up between the other two LBs.
I think that is correct, but I always get confused as to what the strongside is. For some reason I think it’s the opposite to what I just wrote. :) A football coach I am not.
by Jason Witte on May 1, 2011 9:34 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
U R Correct
To further answer the question the bookends of our front four is Doom and Ayers. The question prior to the draft was to provide needed help in the middle, the two DT, who usually provide the foundation of run support. I believe we have signed Vickerson and Thomas is still up in the air, so we need depth at DT which will be provided via FA.
Per Wikipedia, the SAM is usually the strongest LB who can shed blocks and tackle the RB who’s usually following the TE. The WILL is the fastest LB who will drop in coverage. The MIKE is the QB of the defense.
Irving?
How long will it take Irving to become the QB for the Defense. Do we look for DJ playing the MIKE for awhile?
I think DJ will get traded.
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crazy to trade DJ.
He’s about to have a year surrounded by young talent…
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by Whidbey Bronco on May 2, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Completely disagree!
We have always wanted DJ to step up and be the star; he is not and will not be a star standout defender. However, he is a good LB that has recently been surrounded by lesser players. I am extremely excited to see how DJ will play when he is playing with other talented LBs, not Nate Webster and Niko Kioerajkfdsjalkfjdslkfjds (sp?)
Not saying I am not a fan...but hes worth something....and the question will be how better is he than WW, considering the cost of each guy vs production.
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Great Post
I’ve thought for years what we were missing was Al Wilson (or his replacement). Great defensive teams need that defensive quarterbacking.
Think of the ’85 Bears – Mike Singletary (and Butkus before him and Urlacher today)
Baltimore – Ray Lewis
Saints Superbowl team – Jonathan Vilma
Steelers Superbowl teams – James Farrior
Packers Superbowl team – Nick Barnett
I think we may have drafted Al’s replacement finally. Go Broncos!
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by BroncoCanuck on May 1, 2011 9:52 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
The trio of Wilson, Mobley and Pryce made our defense fun to watch. If we kept Pryce and added Doom, the D would have been great. The loss of Wilson and Mobley hurt us greatly and we never recovered. DJ is a soldier and not a leader, he belongs at the WILL.
I love our picks for 2011..EFX drafted leaders who can play fast and smart football…..if Irving turns out to be the ultimate MIKE that we have been missing, paired with MIller at SAM as well as faster safety help and the return of DOOM, the Denver D will return to greatness.
4 good examples, 1 bad
Barnett missed the season for the Packers last year but the point is still a good one.
Nice post
As bad as the defensive line was last year, the linebackers were less talented and more ineffective.
That’s what I’m talking about.
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+1 That was exactly the part I was going to repost LOL
This is the truth….plain and simple. Very scary when you think about it.
Considering Doom is coming back, we are looking pretty darn good on D. We haven’t even had FA and UFA’s yet.
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One more thing...
When you line it up the way you did, Intel, you can sure see where the tipping point is and why. When Shanny fought with Trevor Pryce over salary and he took his game to Baltimore and the very next season, Al Wilson goes down with the neck injury, the whole defense crashed.
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by BroncoCanuck on May 1, 2011 9:55 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
I would venture to say that EFX knew well what the problem with our defense is,
the reason for the picks (fast, physical, smart and hard hitters) on LBer…I didn’t pick any of your choices. Here’s mine at the moment before FA; Ayers LDE, M Thomas LDT, K Vickerson RDT, Doom RDE, V Miller SOLB, N Iving MLB, DJ Williams/M Mohamad WOLB…Mohamad in on obvious passing downs. He is the coverage guy. If we get a solid run stuffing DT in FA then I see this defense getting back to respectability…Doom’s pass pressure was missed last year and it also had an effect on the run defense as well. Trevor Pryce and Al Wilson were a big reason for our success I believe. I loved Bill Romanowski’s play as well…Thanks Intel for the post and work…
Just to throw a curveball, I think the most effective lineup is:
Miller – Irving – DJ Williams
Hunter – Ayers – Vickerson – Dumervil
IOW I think Hunter is a net positive over Thomas.
That's a really small group of D-lineman.
Hunter at 271. Ayers is listed at 274. Vickerson at 321 and Doom at 248. I worry that they’d get blown way off the ball and the best our stud LBs could do would be to make the tackle for a 3 yard gain. Thomas is listed at 316. That extra 40-45 lbs should really help against some of the mammoth OGs and OTs that they will see next year.
and they're paying for it..
Denver needs a stud DT w/ size to collapse the pocket. As I agree w/ some of Denver’s draft, your right, it’s a small group of guys.
Yeah, I agree, Hunter will be kept, but Ayers can't hold down DT on every down...
Ayers (as Fox stated) will slide over on certain down when Miller takes his spot. Should be interesting to see some of the alignments.
Ayers to get beat out.
Watch when Jeremy Beal, outta Sooner country takes away playing time from Ayers.
You make interesting points, but I think it can be just as simply stated that the dline went from good to bad, and thus the defense fell apart. Yes, losing a MLB, especially a great leader like Al was maybe the reason, but…
We had Pryce and then one other useful unit for a number of years. (Berry, Tractor traylor, Hayward) Then we get the Browncos, Pryce/Dumerville alone is not enough, and all the LB in the world cannot save us.
Note that the LB’s don’t chance other than Al. The Dline does. And yet you claim LB is the critical position. I tend to question your conclusion. From 05 to 07 rushing stats, scoring shoot up, and look at the dline in those years. No one of worth, and the lbs don’t change.
I am quickly learning no one loves dline and indeed everyone in denver would prefer their dline bbqed, not starting. And I’m sad. :P (trenches most important, cannot win w/o oline, cannot win w/o stopping run, cannot win w/o winning point of attack, cannot spout more cliches/truisms because people don’t seem to care…)
agreed..
gave Denver’s draft a D initially. It’s growing on me, but still w/o a big man in the middle to collapse the pocket and stuff the run, you can’t play good defense. Which means you can’t play winning football.
Good work
I look at that Dline and it got bad really quickly when Pryce left. I agree with Gelder that it really wasn’t entirely on the linebacker because for the most part until recent years they weren’t bad at all. I am happy with what we did in the draft despite it not being anywhere close to the way I thought it was going to go. Fox has built a pretty darn good defense before so he clearly knows how to do it. We really need to let him get through free agency before people start thinking he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
I think avoiding the “unsexy” pick of Dareus for Miller will benefit us in the future and if we can get two guys in the middle to just plug up the gaps we will see much improvement. Switching to the 4-3 should help our run defense too.
In FA, whenever that happens I expect EFX will find us some good value pick ups maybe not a Coefield and Mebane like a lot of people seem to want, but not other teams’ cast off either.
All I can say is I’m pleasantly surprised with how the Broncos moved around the draft this year and waited for players to fall to them unlike Alphonso Smith and Richard Quinn also somewhat certain we could have got Thomas in the 2nd round, but we’ll never know.
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Great article man...really great read. I dont think Intel is BLAMING the LB corps...he is more pointing out that a strong Line Backing corps does more for the D than a strong D line...
I said it all thru the draft, we all need to understand the scheme Foxy, and in particular, Dennis Allen, will bring in. It is an attacking style D based on speed and aggressiveness on the backend, speed and playmaking ability from the LB’s and DE’s and STOUT DT’s that can STOP the run. On 3rd downs, one of the DE’s (presumably AYers) moves in side. Miller moves to DE, we bring in WW (another speed guy with nose for the ball) and bring the house while having our DB’s be able to shut the down the pass (the reason why Rahim Moore was drafted and why McBath, if healthy, will be a starter).
I actually have a belief that DJ will be traded, and that they may play WW at the will. He is MUCH more effective at getting off blocks, is markedly faster and better against the pass.
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NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
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by boydy2669 on May 2, 2011 6:31 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Another useful data set from FO is the adjusted sack rate. Here is our D's from 2000 along with relative rank
2000 7.9% #11
2001 7.7% #12
2002 7.9% #10
2003 7.3% #12
2004 7.6% #12
2005 5.0% #31
2006 5.7% #27
2007 6.1% #18
2008 5.8% #19
2009 7.4% #7
2010 4.6% #32
Pretty easy to see where the break point is here.
All starts up front, in the trenches
If those guys are getting pushed around, it doesn’t matter who you have behind them. Eventually, your LBs will wear down from OLinemen smashing them at the 2nd level. The scheme and coordinator make a difference too. As does offensive T.O.P.
However, I do believe they picked the best player at the MORE IMPORTANT position
LB is always important. Is it MORE important? Guess we’ll find out, but conventional wisdom says otherwise. There are some pretty decent running teams in the AFC west, I hear.
Very well put-together post, my friend.
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One can argue..
Fabulous post and research. Very convincing article, but I stand my ground. While LB is certainly very important, it all begins with the man in the middle of the DL. Singletary wasn’t great w/o William Perry, Pittsburg is as good as their D line. The NYG crushed the Pats w/ a tenacious front DL. With a stud front 4, it makes everything gravy for the rest of the D unit. Without it, the rest of the Defense is always on their heels.
I am excited to see this team get fast again! only a matter of time before EFX brings in some hogmollies that will help us attempt to shut down the run games of the chiefs and the raiders
also stoked to see the D getting young!
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