Denver Broncos News: Horse Tracks - 5/13/11
by John Bena on May 13, 2011 6:55 AM MDT
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A leaner Vickerson plans to fit just fine in new defense for Broncos - The Denver Post
When Broncos defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson strolled into the South Suburban Sports Dome on Tuesday, his teammates did a double take.
Broncos QB Orton looks sharp in workouts while passing through - The Denver Post
Even though it's May, and even though Orton was throwing to uncovered receivers, his arm, footwork, release and accuracy appear to be ready for a game.
LenDale White, Rod Smith join Broncos unofficial workouts in Englewood - The Denver Post
The second, Brian Dawkins-led player-supervised workout Thursday at the South Suburban Sports Dome drew roughly 14 players and 24 members of the media, depending on which group you put Rod Smith.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Broncos TE Quinn might get starting nod
The way we hear it, TE Richard Quinn currently has a leg up on the competition. Quinn, who is entering his third seasonwith the team, was taken in the second round of the '09 draft in large part because of his strong blocking abilities. He has caught one pass in his career, but head coach John Fox has a history of using his tight ends as blockers and the team believes that Quinn has a lot of upside.
NFL players ask for $707 million in damages in TV dispute - The Denver Post
The NFL's locked-out players asked a federal judge Thursday for at least $707 million in damages stemming from a dispute with the league over $4 billion in broadcast revenue.
Kordell Stewart arrested on traffic charges - The Denver Post
Authorities say former NFL quarterback and ESPN analyst Kordell Stewart, who starred at the University of Colorado, has been charged with driving with a suspended license and speeding.
Study: 38 percent of players wore low-rated helmets - The Denver Post
Nearly 40 percent of NFL players last season wore a helmet model that got the second- lowest rating for reducing the risk of concussions in a study by Virginia Tech researchers.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Despite lockout, Turner working hard to get Bolts back on top
Back in the late 1980s, when Norv Turner was just starting his NFL coaching career as a tight ends/wide receivers coach for the Los Angeles Rams, there were no such things as organized team activities or contract bonuses for players attending offseason workouts. Instead there were three days of mandatory minicamp at some point during the summer, then training camp starting the second week of July leading up to the regular season. Maybe a player living locally would drop by the team facility for a day or two to meet with coaches or get some treatment on an injury, but the time between the Super Bowl and camp's kickoff was mainly spent with players and coaches working separately.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Veteran assistant Moore no longer on Colts website
Tom Moore, the Colts' offensive coordinator from 1998-2009, is not listed among the coaches on the Colts' website. He had no comment when reached by the Indianapolis Star, and neither did the team.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Goodell: Four owners attending May 16 mediation
NFL Network's Albert Breer reported that Giants owner John Mara, Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, Steelers owner Art Rooney and Bengals owner Mike Brown will attend the mediation session.
ProFootballWeekly.com - Pride is in Newton's way
My concern about him at the moment has nothing to do with some of the off-the-field mistakes he made in college or his inexperience with a pro-style offense. That's not my focus right now, although the concerns over those things are valid. My issue stems from an answer he gave to a question in a radio interview with WFNZ in Charlotte last week.
NFL.com news: Show of hands: Teams might snag V-Jax, Rice in free agency
Once free agency finally begins, who among the crop of potential free-agent wide receivers would interest teams most?
NFL.com news: Browns QB McCoy, teammates gather to study new attack
Quarterback Colt McCoy, tasked with learning the Browns' new West Coast attack without the guidance of his coaches during the NFL lockout, gathered with teammates this week for the second player-organized camp of the offseason and spoke of progress being made, The Plain Dealer reported.
NFL.com news: These QBs could help elevate Cardinals back to contention
While most expected the team to address their biggest issue in the NFL draft, coach Ken Whisenhunt has seemingly set his sights on a trio of veterans -- Kevin Kolb, Marc Bulger and Kyle Orton -- to shore up the quarterback position.
NFL.com news: Saints WR Colston participating in workouts after knee surgery
New Orleans wide receivers Marques Colston underwent microfracture surgery this offseason to repair cartilage around his right kneecap, The Times-Picayune reported Thursday.
NFL.com Blogs - Stevie Johnson defends Bush, is enjoying time off "
No, Bush hasn’t been taking part in workouts organized by Saints QB Drew Brees. But don’t be surprised that not everyone agrees with the criticism levied on Bush, namely his fellow NFL players. Echoing similar comments by DeAngelo Hall, Bills WR Stevie Johnson suggests most players are — gulp — thinking what Bush put out on Twitter and just trying to make the best of the time they’ve been given.
NFL.com news: Packers president: Team plans to eventually retire Favre's No. 4
One day after Brett Favre declared that he was "done with football," his former team, the Green Bay Packers, announced they will retire his number, according the Green Bay Press Gazette .
NFL.com news: Finley tweets surgically repaired knee 'feels brand new'
Jermichael Finley was carted off the field during a game last October and never played another down, only making headlines when he tweeted his displeasure with being left out of Green Bay's Super Bowl team photo in February.
NFL.com news: Packers president: Veteran CB Harris to get Super Bowl ring
Al Harris didn't play a part in the Packers' run to the Super Bowl last season, but the organization has made it clear his past contributions haven't been forgotten.
NFL Hot Button Topic of the week - NFL - ESPN
In judging NFL teams against the expectations we helped set with all we wrote before the draft, Jake Locker was a reach. But Christian Ponder was an even bigger reach.
Cost of school: New England Patriots' Ty Warren puts degree first - ESPN Boston
Last spring, New England Patriots defensive lineman Ty Warren stayed home from the team's offseason program for the first time in 2010 so he could complete his college degree. In doing so, he sacrificed $250,000.
Steve Smith of Carolina Panthers clears air on trade rumors - ESPN
Receiver Steve Smith says he hasn't demanded a trade but has asked the Carolina Panthers to be "in a competitive situation."
Derrick Mason organizing workouts for Baltimore Ravens players - ESPN
Baltimore Ravens receiver Derrick Mason has begun organizing workouts for his teammates to be held in the Baltimore area later this month.
Just in case the Eighth Circuit Court upholds the ruling of federal judge Susan Richard Nelson to lift the NFL lockout, a group of front-office executives and owners is studying what type of free-agent system to implement.
NFL: A return to 2010 free-agent rules would impact final-eight teams - ESPN
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Vickerson
He’s no longer Big Vick:
When Broncos defensive tackle Kevin Vickerson strolled into the South Suburban Sports Dome on Tuesday, his teammates did a double take.
“They were like, ‘Where is the rest of you at?’ " Vickerson said.
In the four months since he last saw most of his teammates, he has shed at least 30 pounds. He was was listed at 321 pounds in 2010 but showed up for the voluntary players-only conditioning sessions this week at a lean 285.
I guess EFX will be looking to sign a veteran NT in FA. He’s too small now to play on the strong side of the line.
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Aubrayo Franklin (SF) may be available in FA
but I’ll expect Denver to have some competition from Washington, who is said to be “chomping at the bit” to make a move for him.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
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bummer. It was looking like he was going to be our NT in the new defense. I wonder though if this weight loss was
under instruction from the coaching staff?
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on May 13, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm wondering the same thing BM
If so, then one of Bannan and Thomas will not return to play DT in Denver. Which leaves Jim Leonard as the only possibility on the roster. EFX may end up overpaying to get some much needed vets to play the interior. Or accept troublemakers such as Haynesworth in a short term deal out of desperation.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
"Keep away from people who try to belittle your ambitions. Small people always do that, but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." Mark Twain
"If people never did silly things nothing intelligent would ever get done." Wittgenstein
The talk of being faster up front may play a part in this as well.
Vickersonson signed a contract with a bonus for this summer, so I am sure the coaches had some influence to his losing weight. Not sure if it will affect his strength or not and that is a big concern. But, if he can loose it, he can gain it back I suppose…
by bfree2bronc on May 13, 2011 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
I am really happy about this
Garland sighting.
For the first time since he left training camp last year to begin his minimum two-year military commitment with the U.S. Air Force, former AFA star Ben Garland joined the workout Thursday.
Garland opted against joining the Air Force pilot training program, which would have required him “to lose about 85 pounds in two months,” he said. The defensive lineman, now a strength and conditioning coach at the Air Force
Broncos center J.D. Walton, left, wrestles with receiver Eric Decker as guard Zane Beadles offers assistance after a workout. (John Leyba, The Post )
Academy, arranged midday leave with his superiors so he could work out with Dawkins’ group.
Garland recently received a transfer to an Air Force base in another state but is working toward fulfilling his military commitment in time to rejoin the Broncos for their 2012 training camp.
“That’s the hope,” he said
Read more: Broncos QB Orton looks sharp in workouts while passing through – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18054121#ixzz1MEpUwwPk
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This was a good story and he seemed to be a good and motivated player.
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Awesome!
Nothing like a fresh set of Horse Tracks in the morning! Thanks John!
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A run to look in the mirror?
Bulls in 6! Karma says Bulls win it all!
Hmmmm........
“Orton looks sharp”.
That ‘s what I’m talking about……..
Yep
Orton is great with uncovered receivers and no blitz. Just awesome.
by Brian Conrad on May 13, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
because the 3600 yards and 20 tds in 13 games was just a mirage there was really no defense in any of those games
by Hoopforia on May 13, 2011 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Correct!
Glad to see everyone coming around.
by Brian Conrad on May 13, 2011 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
476 of those yards came in one game in which we scored all of 13 points in a two TD loss at home.
Put up another 371 yards in another loss where we scored all of 16 points.
Lots of hallow yards and bad losses mixed in with your numbers.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
but those games did happen right ? .typical hater talk where you basically say something stupid and justofy it by basically saying you dont consider a 50 yard td play in the nfl as a good play
in that Indy game the one you are clinging to how many rushing yards did we get ? How many times did we get stopped rushing the ball inside the redzone ?
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81ad8d22/Colts-thwart-Broncos-scoring-threat
that play in the Indy game made it 13-10 in the 3rd quarter
that was meaningless ? or are you simply talking out your arse after the fact .
Lots of hollow memories and misinformed comments in your recollection of things
Did that game end in the 3rd quarter? Nope. It ended 13-27. We lost by more points than we scored. Is that a misinformed statement?
You can pretend I don’t have a handle on facts, but it’s not me playing pretend or what ifs. That would be you and your example above.
How many times did we get stopped rushing the ball in the redzone? I don’t remember, but I’d venture to guess close to 100%. Did Moreno fumble or did Orton throw incomplete on 4th down?
McD’s running scheme was the worst I’ve ever seen and Orton’s inability to make plays in the redzone helped D’s stack the line on Moreno and Co.
Orton and Co are very easy to defend in the redzone. Thats why our offense was 19th in points in 2010. We were in the low 20s before Tebow came along and boosted our scoring average the last three games.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
Yep.
Talking out of a bleeding arse. How many toimes have people said that the D needed to stop an oppenent? How many times have many agreed that a better D and a decent running game would have helped the Broncos to win as a team?
Yes. I think Orton is a better QB fo rhe Broncos at thios time. And I am not talking out of my arse like you are.
No, you are making up stupid pretend scenarios and talking drunk. Congratulations on making no sense.
Maybe you can spin us up a scenario where Denver was really 12-4 in 2010 and Orton won the super bowl MVP.
I just go by the facts. Dude was 3-11 as a starter guiding the 23rd ranked scoring offense at the time he was pulled.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
Orton’s inability to make plays in the redzone helped D’s stack the line on Moreno and Co.
You are kidding right? I mean really, you’re kidding aren’t you??
It’s not like you to twist things McG. You want to call yards empty because we lost the game, well I suppose you could look at it that way. But, to suggest the lack of redzone rushing was due to KO not making plays is total crap! KO couldn’t make any plays in the redzone because every defensive player out there knew we had ZERO run threat. Even with them knowing that KO was able to make play action work at least some of the time. Pretty impresive really.
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by Sean in Pa. on May 13, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I call the yards empty because they didn’t lead to points. And yes, that means we lose. Kyle Orton is not a guy that lights up the score board as evidenced by his 281 yards per game in passing yards and the 23rd ranked scoring offense when he was QB. Tebow had us at 25 points per game in his three starts, which would have ranked us as the 7th highest scoring O in the NFL if done over a full season.
The lack of red zone rushing was a culmination of several things, one of which was Orton’s inability to make plays in the red zone. He is not a risk taker. If you put pressure on him or cover the WRs, he will throw the ball into the 4th row and let Prater kick a FG.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
There is a problem with your comparison
It is the basic flaw in everyone’s evidence of Tebow’s potential. He played those three games when they meant nothing. None of the teams he played against had anything to play for, add to that the fact that we lost 2 of the three then we are still losing and Tebow’s points are as empty as Ortons yards.
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by Sean in Pa. on May 14, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
again more BS
How many short fields did we get due to turnovers ? how many special teams score did we get during the last 3 games ?
It really is borderline stupid because you are simply leaving out some very important aspects of scoring points in the nfl
special teams
field position
turnovers
TE
running game
all those play a huge part in scoring points in the NFL and yet Orton had none of them but just like with the Hollow yards you pull it out of your arse
You say we scored more points the last 3 games with Tim but against Oakland there were at least 3 scores that came directly off of short fields created by defensive turnovers ?
We had 18 total forced turnovers for the season and 5-6 of those came the last 3 games
We even had our special teams score of the season during the last 3 games.
but again youre just peddling BS
We were 12 in redzone scores per game and every sigle team ahead of us had at least one or more of whats listed below while wde had none at all.
field position
turnovers
running game
TE
1 New England (14-2)
2 Indianapolis (10-6)
3 NY Giants (10-6)
4 San Diego (9-7)
4 Kansas City (10-6)
4 Houston (6-10)
4 Atlanta (13-3)
8 Green Bay (10-6)
9 Detroit (6-10)
9 New Orleans (11-5)
9 Philadelphia (10-6)
12 Jacksonville (8-8)
12 Denver (4-12)
all of those teams had the benefit of something but our offense didnt have the benefit of anything .
we scored 75 points our last 3 games and 21 of those points came as a result of a short field created by a defensive turnover or a special teams td .
Without those plays the average is 18 ppg . Now Im not gonna take away from Tims play because he played very well but other aspects of our team gave contributions that they simply hadnt made the previous 13 games .
by Hoopforia on May 14, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a bunch of BS!
Put a well balanced team around Orton and he takes the Broncis to the promised land. You know, one that can actually block, tackle, and run the ball. Throw in a little coaching and that’s a recipe for success in the NFL. Problem is, we have the HC from the worst team in the NFL; our top executive..Elway is inexperienced; The Broncos couldn’t run the ball, tackle, or block in 2010. The only thing we did well, was throw the friggin ball! In a nutshell bro! No running game or TE in the red zone with McNutcase calling the plays……why you crappin on KO.
I’m not McD fan myself, but Orton was part of the problem, not a part of the solution. One of the reasons we couldn’t run in short yardage or red zone is because it’s easy to defend Orton in such instances. Kyle can’t run and he’ll throw the ball away at the first sign of trouble. It’s his MO… No INTs, but a lot of FG attempts or McDwhatever going for it on 4th and 4 with some idiotic 20 yard fade pattern that Orton’s is not particularly good at throwing.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
Orton being able to run has nothing to do with short yardarge running plays lol thats against just ridiclous
It sure heck didnt Matt Forte from having 8 rushing tds in 2008 but it gets better Orton had 3 rushing tds in 2008 himself .
So this Orton cant run so our line cant block nor can our running backs run in the redzone strawman argument is ridiculous
simply ridiculous……
If Orton had played in the last 3 games,
he would have broken all of Elway’s passing franchise records. Think about it!
by rocko1 on May 13, 2011 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was always thought you were a hack and this confirms it for me.
You mean Cutler, not Elway… Cutler set most of Denver’s most prestigious passing records with his 2008 Pro Bowl season. Jay threw for nearly 4,600 yards on a team with an even worse D & coordinator than the 2010 unit.
Denver had the 2nd most yards in the NFL that season, but only 15th in points.
Orton, if he had played those last three games may have surpassed Jay in the hollow yards category, and we’d have finished 3-13 and around 24th in the league in points scored, which is where we were when Orton thankfully got yanked.
Tebow moved that season ending points per game ranking up to 19th since we averaged 25 points a game when Tim was the starting QB vs 20.6 points per game when Orton was starting.
I’m a fan that prefers my offense scores more points. Guess you have another agenda. I love when guys set me up to smack you down.
Welcome to Denver Von Miller.
Hm, I guess Rod meant, play on the same team as Wolverine....
Rod did play (against) with Dawkins…
I wish I understood how to load a bleepin picture directly to the comment. Grrr.
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
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by Omniscient Orange on May 13, 2011 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions
That's my problem
The picture is not on a website, it’s on my computer. I’ve even dragged the pic to the internet, and it opens up, on what looks like a web page, but then the above word “Pic” is what I got.
Maybe…
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A pessimist sees the difficulties in every opportunity.
An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 13, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks man...
I knew I could do it… Went to google and searched for a free image uploader. Ta-Da!
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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
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First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 13, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks for the tracks John
just wondering, who was the long-haired receiver catching passes from Orton in the video embedded in the Vickerson article.
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by BroncoJoe311 on May 13, 2011 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Tracks. Love em.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
I am concerned about Vickerson now not being heavy enough to man the inside.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
In Fox's teleconference a week or so ago
I asked him what he was looking for in the DT positions. He told me that he wants a 3 tech and a big NT. Big Vick’s size would project him to that 3 teach spot. He wasn’t a good fit at NT anyway. so the EFX team will be searching for the big space eater with penetrating ability like Aubrayo Franklin of the Niners.
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by KaptainKirk on May 13, 2011 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Good to hear. Isn't 285 still pretty light to play 3 tech?
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
by BroncoMath101 on May 13, 2011 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I think Fox will tell him to gain some weight back if he isn’t getting it done.
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I also am worried about the report that TE Thomas could go on the practice squad.
If they truly believe that he has the most upside of any rookie TE in the class then he won’t last on the practice squad before another team tries to steal him away. I think Gronk and Coats will end up getting cut.
Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.
That shouldn't be a great worry
Every team passed on him at least 6 times in the draft. He would have to show that he is less of a project that could produce for a team to grab him off the PS. But we shall see in Camp.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
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by KaptainKirk on May 13, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
he was taken in the 5th round so I can definitely see teams wanting to aquire him. It isn't like he was a CFA going on the practice squad.
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by BroncoMath101 on May 13, 2011 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions
My bad
I thought (without looking) he was the 7th rounder
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I love the picture of Decker just getting manhandled
While wrestling Beadles and Walton. Glad to know the guys are getting along and creating chemistry.
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