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2011 NFL Draft Grades: Denver Broncos Draft Grades From Around The Web

I am not a fan of NFL Draft Grades.  It seems like a senseless practice to 'grade' a draft before any one of these guys steps on a NFL field or even receives their playbook.  What it is, however, is something to talk about.  Some people enjoy grading their team's draft, and to ignore it would be to ignore an entire segment of Denver Broncos fans.  So, with that in mind - and using the efforts of BroncoCanuck in this FanPost - I bring you the Denver Broncos NFL Draft Grades from around the web:

We'll start with the thoughts of the Contributors of MileHighReport.  As I get their opinion, I'll add it here:

CONTRIBUTOR GRADE COMMENT
John Bena B

The Broncos finally handled the NFL Draft the way I think it should be handled - with patience and trust.  By trust, I mean trusting of the Draft Board the personnel staff spent the past 4+ months putting together.  When the decision was made to go with Von Miller over Marcell Dareus, the Broncos made the decision to not over-value the defensive tackle position.  We'll find out in time whether or not that was a mistake, but for now we have to trust the fact the Broncos didn't overreact and they didn't mortgage the future.  Denver made a couple of deals, but didn't waste any future draft pick.  They started the Draft with 7 picks, but finished the weekend with 9 new players. 

After strategy, I thought the Broncos did a solid job building depth - and getting value - for the picks they made.  Miller is the premier edge-rusher in the draft and you simply cannot have too many guys that can get to the quarterback.  The Broncos added the top-2 safety prospects in the draft, adding depth and competition to a position with aging veterans and uncertain backups.

Orlando Franklin provides the Broncos some flexibility with a guy that can play inside or out.  He also plays with the kind of nasty streak you want to see in the trenches.  Nate Irving is a wildcard, but like Franklin he plays with a nasty streak and was likely a Late 1st/Early 2nd round prospect before the injury.

Even the final pick - Jeremy Beal - had a tremendous college career.  Most thought he would get picked in the 4th or 5th round, so to get that kind of production in the 7th round is a big win.  He'll also come in with a chip on his shoulder - never a bad thing.

The truth is we don't know now - and won't for 2-3 years - what kind of Draft this was.  I am comforted, however, by the way John Elway, Brian Xanders and John Fox handled the draft.  It focused on defense, it focused on value and it stayed true to the draft board the Broncos established.  Right now, that is all we can ask for.

Tim Lynch A

A lack of a DT is a concern, but a 4-12 team has so many holes that filling them all is not exactly a reasonable expectation. After looking at our current roster with the new draftees included, there is little doubt that this team had a dearth of talent at the Linebacker and Tight End positions. They also added youth to an aging defensive backfield.  It's hard not to grade this draft out as an A, though I have little doubt that 12 months from now the chorus for a DT in the 2012 NFL Draft will be deafening all across Broncoland.  We'll just call the 2011 NFL Draft a good first step.  Go Broncos!

Sayre Bedinger A The name of the game is value, and the Broncos got nine guys at the end of three days with 4th round grades or better. Through the fourth round, they had 5 guys with 2nd round grades or better. The Broncos got a ton of value in this draft, but I wasn't happy with it throughout. My mind was dead set on upgrading the defensive line, specifically because we had cut two of our 2010 starters. However, as I had time to digest and look at the draft as a whole, it's really a great crop of players. The Broncos upgraded the pass rush, the pass defense, and the two worst positions offensively. Very good draft.
Brian Shrout A I like that Fox/Elway/Xanders were able to parlay the picks we had into nine. Out of those nine picks, I'm reading that three have 1st year starter quality -- LB Von Miller, OL Orlando Franklin, LB Nate Irving. I've seen TE Julius Thomas compared to Antonio Gates -- which gives us an upgraded at that position. With Moore and Carter we added some young depth for an aging secondary. We added more depth with Mohammed and Green. The surprise for me was the Beal pick. My initial reaction was indifferent, but then I started see a lot of praise for him, so it will be interesting to see if he can land a spot.
Troy Hufford A
I’m excited that we got value at every pick. We didn’t panic and reach for a player at any point in the draft. Top to bottom, the Broncos took the best player available, despite coming into the draft with a grocery list of needs. By my estimation, the Broncos have accumulated 5 starters for 2011. I believe Von Miller, Rahim Moore, Orlando Franklin and Nate Irving should all start, as well as Virgil Green. I’m especially excited about Virgil Green out of Nevada, the security blanket that helped Colin Kaepernick become a second round pick.
 
Although, I was initially upset that we took Von Miller instead of Marcel Dareus, I’ve come to accept it. We are still getting one of the premier linebackers in all of football. With that said, we definitely need to improve the defensive line during free agency. Part of what makes Von Miller great is using his speed to penetrate the line of scrimmage and blow up running plays. However, it becomes pretty difficult for him to use his speed when offensive linemen can get to the second level and get up in his facemask. Regardless, we have definitely addressed our needs at linebacker and safety during this draft, which will hopefully improve the NFL’s worst defense. Overall, I think the Broncos had a solid draft. We definitely closed the gap in the AFC West and I’m hoping we don’t ever have the number 2 overall pick again.
  Kaptain Kirk   B+

 I can get behind this draft and the logic used on nearly every pick. It  looks like they will be model citizens, so the off-field drama of the last few seasons should dissipate. I also believe the Broncos brought in some intelligent leaders. My only real question mark is Orlando Franklin. We all understand that the club has decided not to offer Ryan Harris a large contract (they may try to keep him at a less than ideal number), but as a 3rd-rounder, is Franklin an upgrade. I look forward to watching this group in Training Camp.

Jeremy Bolander  C+

First a note on draft strategy.  I like what Denver was able to do in terms of picks and sliding around the board, and I think that after three years of that, we can say that is probably one of Xander's warroom strengths.  On to the picks.

As the Draft approached it was becoming clearer and clearer to me that Denver would only be able to address starting SAM or starting DT, but not both, the fall off in grades was too severe after round one.  And while I am a firm believer that it all starts in the trenches, Von will likely be a very solid pick going forward, as his greatest strength is an ability that is often equated with the trenches:  backfield pressure.  Denver addressed a lot of needs with Von, acquired a smart player and a terrific lockerroom addition.  It is my pleasure to root for the young man in Orange and Blue.

Second round strategy left something to be desired.  By trading down I believe Denver passed on starter caliber players at need positions on both offense and defense.  Acquiring Rahim was a solid move, and he will be able to challenge Hill for a starting FS position.  I don't expect that he will supplant Dawkins, but it is a possibility.  Franklin is a rising talent who will probably need a year before he is a clear cut starter in the league, as functional strength needs to be added to his arsenal to man the right side.  Assuming the Ryan Harris situation doesn't work out, I expect he will get thrown to the wolves, and we will have to suffer through rookie growing pains.  He isn't quite ready for the starting RT job, but it shouldn't take more than a year before he is, and he can backup RT, LT and LG, so I expect that he will be around for quite a while.

Both TE prospects are project picks, with Green being more polished, and will probably act more as a versatile H-back option.  I expect it will take at least two years for him to develop into a consistent producer.  Thomas may take even longer than that, or he may wow the pants off us in the early going, but he is definitely a project, and patience is to be expected.

The Irving selection is an odd one, even though I like him as a prospect.  He isn't the kind of ILB that can stay clean, so it is doubtful he will be much impact int eh running game, however he has the instincts and abilities to be a good source of interior blitz pressure, which we need.  If we can get to third down, he may prove useful for nickle packages, but he can get shut down on the blitz if someone makes contact.

I like all of the prospects individually, including our late guys like Jeremy Beal, but the whole package leaves me wondering if we couldn't have accomplished more this year.  Bottom line, I think the team that starts the season won't be much different personnell wise than the team that limped to a 4-12 finish under McD.


Now, here are some thoughts from around the web....

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SITE GRADE COMMENT
Clifton Brown for The Sporting News B Von Miller and Rahim Moore will upgrade a defense that desperately needs it, and Orlando Franklin will help the offensive line.
 CBSSports.com   
B- Had the Denver Broncos not been lacking defensive tackles on their roster and their draft class, their efforts over the three days of the 2011 Draft would rank higher. The addition of pass rusher Von Miller -- an immediate candidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year honors -- certainly boosts their grade. So does the fact the Broncos were able land UCLA free safety Rahim Moore in the in the second round. Moore, the top-rated free safety by NFLDraftScout.com, should be aided by the assistance of veteran Brian Dawkins. The Broncos could see an immediate impact from big, burly offensive lineman Orlando Franklin, their third-round choice. Of the Broncos' late-round selections, Portland State tight end Julius Thomas is the most intriguing. Thomas is the latest former basketball player to attempt the conversion to the gridiron.
Mel Kiper B "The addition of Von Miller as a no-brainer because he can be the defensive rookie of the year; Rahim Moore, the first safety off the board, was great value; and Nate Irving "could be a steal." However, he does have concerns over the lack of defensive line help. So Kiper gives a 'C+" for addressing team needs, but a "B+" for getting value."
Randy Covitz (KC Star) A The sack-starved Broncos pair ’09 NCAA sack leader Miller with ’09 NFL sack leader Elvis Dumervil, who missed all of last season. Moore, a ballhawk, will be heir apparent to Brian Dawkins, 38, while Irving has big-play potential in new 4-3 defense. Franklin will move from LT to a guard. Carter will have impact on special teams. Thomas is another converted basketball player hoping to be the next Tony G or Antonio Gates.
Adam Caplan (Fox Sports) C "While Miller is a great player, he would be better off at defensive end rather than outside linebacker. Most personnel evaluators believe he would be a better fit for a 3-4 defense than Denver's 4-3."
Sports Illustrated A The Broncos gave up more points than any team in the NFL last year and capitalized on that in way the Cowboys should have: Aggressively grabbing defenders. It started with No. 2 pick, Von Miller, a pass-rush specialist OLB. It was a perfect needs-based selection: Denver was No. 29 last year on our Defensive Hog Index and dead-last league wide at pressuring the quarterback, forcing a Negative Pass Play on just 6.3 percent of dropbacks -- half the rate of the best pass-rush team in football last year, the Super Bowl champ packers (12.2%). Second-round pick Rahim Moore was the top-rated safety on most boards, and the Broncos landed him with the No. 45 pick. He could start right away.
Mocking The Draft A While I don't think Miller is a great fit in a 4-3 defense he is still a tremendous player.  This draft needed to be heavy on defense and that is exactly what happened.  Franklin will help the offensive line and could play either tackle or guard.  Watch out for Virgil Green as he has tons of speed and could stretch the defense in passing situations.
Pete Prisco - CBS B-

Best pick: Second-round pick Rahim Moore is a safety with range. That's the kind you need in this modern NFL filled with passing.

Questionable move: Passing on Marcell Dareus to take Von Miller is questionable with their big hole inside on their defense.

Third-day gem: Fourth-round pick Julius Thomas is a tight end who is a former basketball player. That means he has the athletic ability to get down the field.

Analysis: John Elway's first draft was solid. He made moves to fix a defense that needed it badly. If first-round pick Von Miller is an explosive pass rusher, this will be a nice draft.

SBNation B- Von Miller is perhaps the most uniquely athletic rush linebacker to come along in years, and it will be very interesting to see how he assimilates to John Fox and his 4-3 defense. The team also found valuable adds to Fox's defense in Rahim Moore, Nate Irving and perhaps even seventh-round pick Jeremy Beal. The two tight ends, Julius Thomas and Virgil Green, are intriguing selections. It's tough to get overly excited, however, knowing that the Broncos have a dearth of talent at defensive tackle, one of the deepest positions of this draft class.

 

 

I will be adding more and more as the day goes on. Feel free to email any others you find to me - milehighreport@gmail.com.  Feel free to give your grade on the Broncos draft in the poll, and your reasons in the comments.

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Best draft we've had in years. Period.

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by MrFNSunshine on May 2, 2011 7:15 AM MDT reply actions  

I dunno (I guess it kind of depends on how long "in years" referes to)...

2008 was pretty good (Clady, Royal, Hillis) and 2006 was great (Cutler, Marshall, Dumervil, Scheffler, Kuper).

by SethGrandpa on May 2, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Both the drafts yo mentioned were better

Clady is one of the preeminent left tackles in the game, a position that is usually ranked just behind quarterback in terms of team importance. Not to mention, most teams had him ranked as the third best tackle in the NFL draft, so to have him rated as the best LT prospect, as the broncos did, was a great move. Left tackles can play for over a decade. Royal is a good started and Hillis was a pro bowler this year and his production has been as good as Moreno who we burned a #12 pick.

The Cutler draft was even more special. Despite what people around here want to think, all of those who have played the quarterback position and study the position; Young, Jarworski, Dilfer, Sims, etc, all consider him to be a franchise quarterback. People around here want to talk about him only being a game manager for the Bear last year. Problem is, those who have played the position and know more about it than any of us, think he was a play making franchise quarterback last year for the bears. That is why we got the picks we did for him and can’t get those type of pics for Orton. McD did not like him so, well, he is gone. Please, don’t try to tell me McD did not get exactly what he wanted from that situation, at any time he could have given Cutler what he wanted in either respect or money and the situation would not have ended with Cutler leaving.

Thankfully McD did not drive off Dumervil who was highly undervalued in the draft. Not only did the broncos hit on him but did not have to burn a high draft pick to get him. Scheffler was one of the better down field receiving tight ends while in Denver, but McD did not like him so he is gone. Kuper is rated by GMs around the league as a quality starter at the guard position (that was in the Post article assessing the talent of the Broncos). Lets put it this way, he is way better than Walton or Zane. This was a great draft class.

by Keyworthpunch on May 2, 2011 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Both those drafts

were better in terms of talent acquired, definitely, but aside from Doom, those drafts are precisely why the Broncos had the worst defense in the league last season. Of both of those drafts, only three players remain and only one solid defensive player. This draft did more to address team needs than any I can remember recently, off the top of my head. This was a great start and there are some decent DTs left undrafted out there. But this is the first draft I’ve been excited about in a while. Go Broncos!

Elway is in, Zimm is in, Little is FINALLY in but don't forget: Randy Gradishar, Steve Atwater & Terrel Davis

by BlueNOrangeNIdaho on May 2, 2011 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dude I'm totally on board with you.

Trust me, I was as pissed as anybody that McD hated talent.

by SethGrandpa on May 2, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

He didn’t hate talent, it was just less important than versatility. mental toughness and character.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear versatility now and I cringe

I was totally on board at first, but the proof is in the pudding, which we resembled far too often.

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by Jeremy Bolander on May 2, 2011 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least we had guys like Robert Ayers playing OLB, DT, DE, special teams, 1st base and what not.

I’m so glad to be back to drafting ILBs to play ILB and TEs to play TE.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought McD would have likely unloaded Royal and Clady also...

… just for being picks from the Shanahan era. He couldn’t find use for Royal in the passing game and Clady isn’t one of the first choices at LT for a power running scheme. It appeared the whole lot of them were guys McD would never pick.

by cosBroncosFan on May 3, 2011 1:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Passing on Austin was surprising

Broncos did well but getting Austin and maybe a high impact offense player like J. Rodgers would have given this group an A. Two TE and LB were okay but I’d trade one of those TE and that LB for Austin and Rodgers.

by Willie Perdue on May 2, 2011 7:25 AM MDT reply actions  

i think...

Austin came across as a F&%KWITT!!!
We don’t need them…
Enough said…

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by TrainDriverIvan on May 2, 2011 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think you're right

There was a reason they passed on Austin and Paea.

by wyrob on May 2, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Feel like a little old lady gossiping but...

The word is he failed his interviews. I forget what he did to get suspended, but teams wanted evidence that he was remorseful for what he had done and the way he let down his team. Again, this is only word through the grapevine, but teams were met with an individual who did not take personal responsibility and did not seem to be concerned with how he had let his team down. He seemed to be more focused on getting drafted as high as he could for the money.

Again, I want to reiterate this is the buzz. Considering he dropped to the latter part of second round, it maybe true.

by Keyworthpunch on May 2, 2011 8:42 AM MDT up reply actions  

Heard the same...

Of the 16 NC players he was the only one kicked off the team… he uses the race card in his defense as well versus just owning the mistake(s) like his fellow suspended teammates.

by turnman on May 2, 2011 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think passing on Austin will end up being a good choice

Don’t forget that I really wanted him and Fairley. However, now I don’t believe the Broncos could afford to take him. The Giants shouldn’t have too much problem with him as they have a solid locker room. He will get with the program tor the fans will run him out of town. If he matures, I believe he will turn into a good player and I imagine that GM Jerry Reece will lay down the law right up front.

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by KaptainKirk on May 2, 2011 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

B is good, could be an A if FA is equally good

Washington Post Sunday Sports section gave Denver a B for similar reasons to Bena, no DT pick on team with DT need. See washingtonpost.com. Post gave Washington a C, for reaching on Jarvis Jenkins and other reasons, but you gotta like that Royster pick up for Shanahan. If Denver picks up Ian Williams and Henry Hynoski as CFA, and signs Cofield and maybe Williams as FA and keeps Marcus Thomas maybe this draft deserves an A for deft player pool separation.

by OrangeandBluesBros on May 2, 2011 8:02 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

As Tim said, this is a multi-year project

and not bad for year one. EFX seemed to work well as a team. Gives me confidence in Elway’s ability to lead the FO. And I know everyone was clamoring for DT, but oh how long its been since we had quality depth at LB!

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 8:03 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

LOL!

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An optimist sees the opportunities in every difficulty.
- Winston Churchill

First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =

by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 2, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think that is Tennessee, Washington and Buffalo’s plan.

Our draft didn’t read like that. We drafted like we actually want to win some games in 2011.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tennessee's plan?

Our draft read to me….we are going to goooooo down trying with really young guys playing in 2011. Tebow, New TE’s, New tackle, New Linebackers, and new safeteys…..and champ and our new 0-6-5 Defense

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Too me, Tebow is an upgrade over Orton, any new TE is a massive upgrade over the 2010 crop. We needed upgrades and depth at S as Dawkins played poorly in 2010 (think San Fran game) and Hill also regressed. This draft will also improve our ST due to the infusion of tacking at S and LB with the speed and blocking at TE.

Don’t get me started on how bad our LBs were in 2010, but lets just say they were maybe 1% better than Nate Webster and Jamie Winborn. Maybe…

And yes, Tennessee is my clubhouse leader for 1st round 1st pick in 2011. Locker and Rusty Smith at QB, that sounds like a bad joke… Or it sounds like what Buffalo & Washington are doing at the games most important position.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yesss......

The TItans situation is awful at QB….but their defense is good.

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

was good...new HC, new system....

who knows…

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

you mean their defense is *cough* cheap *cough*

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Finnegan is a coward

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on May 2, 2011 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

You'll hear no arguments from me. lol.

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by Troy Hufford on May 2, 2011 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

We'll just get

Andre Johnson to whoop his ass again

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by Calikula on May 3, 2011 6:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Titans defense isn’t very good.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL 0-6-5

I see what you did there.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Your missing the point waterboy...

One DT in this draft isn’t going to be the savior of our defense, not with the gaping holes we have (had)…One thing we all have to understand is; A) EFX have a plan and they are sticking to that plan to a tee, not reaching as several other teams did, but taking the BPA at the spot we picked in. Sure EFX wanted Nick Fairley, it has been documented that they targeted him, but again, they weren’t going to mortage the house for him. Fairley was in the wrong place for us. I also think they were targeting Phil Taylor, but again, reaching up to 20 (because he was taken at 21) was not a good thing for us. NOt with the picks we had and the holes on defense we had. Free Agency will bring a gaggle of DTs to Denver if they want as there are more than 50 FA DTs this year…If we can resign Marcus Thomas that would be a plus because he will be able to play in his original alignment, 4/3. Vickerson will be the starting Nose Guard Tackle if you will. McBean may also be kept to rotate in and out…Unrein is an unknown, but from what I have heard he is a beast and very physical.

This draft brought us into a new era of competition where we now have more speed at LB and Safety, which is one of our glaring needs besides DT. The CB position is pretty set with Champ and Goodman/Cox, along with Squid/Nate Jones. I see no problem there even if Cox goes to jail or get’s suspended. Our aging Safeties with unknown players (Bruton and McBath) had to be upgrade and we were able to snag the two best Safeties in the draft! Remarkable imo…So, to me this draft did what Shanny and McD didn’t do for the past 4-5 years…I look for our defense to climb out of the celler this year and be respectable (not top 5 yet) and middle of the road. That’s about all we can ask for at this point after it has been let go for so long…Giving up nearly 30 points a game in 2010 it is a wonder we even won 4 games and the fact that WE should have won at least 6 (without mistakes) is testimony that this team going forward now has the tools to get it done…Turn overs, rushing yards, points per game given up by the defense last year was our demise, not leaving out the fact that we had an OLine developing…Look for a much better team in 2011 if we can get this kids to practice before it’s too late…Go Broncos!!!

by bfree2bronc on May 2, 2011 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

haha I am not even worried we didn't draft a DT in this draft

Im almost certain 3 first round picks wouldn’t be the savior of our defense

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm just amazed how the media made such a big deal about Tebow's playing style being a detriment

then listed the same set of attributes in describing why Cam Newton was the clear #1 overall.

How do those hacks get out of bed in the morning???

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

If Tebow had come out after his Heisman year...he would have gone #1 overall.

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

AND

Newton probably would have stayed and won another championship for Florida.

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by BeachBronco on May 2, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

The interesting thing in my mind is whether its Tebow

or McDaniels they wanted to see fail. If Tebow starts out of the gates, as he should, and has an above average first 5-6 games, I wager we’ll see mea culpas galore. Positive or negative, sensationalism is what sells advertising.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly!

It’s going to take time and you can’t fill this many holes at once, but they’re sticking to their plan. As Fox has said, this is just the first pool of players.

by bostonbroncofan on May 2, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great first step.

Liked the way we took value while also addressing needs. We’ve still got several holes, but we should be in good shape as an organization if we address the draft like this every year.

by Elway's Ghost on May 2, 2011 8:11 AM MDT reply actions  

You failed to put in the stupidest line in Sports Illustrated's grade...
John Elway’s first draft has the potential to be a great one that addressed all the team’s most glaring needs.

All of our needs addressed! You know…if you don’t count the biggest need – DT. Ha ha. These guys get paid to make comments like that.

by SethGrandpa on May 2, 2011 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Overall, nice draft

I say B, because some picks are really going to have to prove themselves before I will consider them great picks. I do think this draft was designed not to have 4-5 starters game 1, rather to phase out older players as time goes on, which was a huge plus in my book. I can’t give them an A, I just can’t, for ignoring DT, that moved them down to a C in my mind after the draft. But the long term look of these draftees and the focus on other areas of weakness, combined with some good value picks brings it back up to a B. This draft could easily be a C or D if players like Carter, Irving, and Franklin struggle, but it could also end up being an A in the long run as well, depending on how the TE’s work out.

so, overall, I give this draft a B.

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by Topher Doll on May 2, 2011 8:30 AM MDT reply actions  

If Irving and Franklin struggle, we’ll be in a bit of trouble. Esp Franklin. Mays and our 6th round pick hedge Irving’s selection.

Beadles is a horrible hedge at RT.

Welcome to Denver Von Miller.

by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Man, I'm really looking forward to seeing Franklin in action

So glad we addressed the RT spot now that the right side is the blind side … oops, sorry Kyle! ; )

Anyway, yeah, I just hope he lives up to the challenge.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don’t get your hopes up on Franklin, as someone that watched every one of his college games, I’m petrified for Tebow’s health and well being.

Bad news for BFSD is that Orton won’t last a half behind Franklin’s pass blocking ineptitude. We will need to have a mobile QB.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Until week 2 of TC, when Orlando forces Fox to move him inside to Guard.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

It is great to hear a consensus positive review of our draft, even if only a little, this will aid in people getting behind the new regime, even if it is all based on random speculation, thats all we have to go on for now to judge our leadership.

I could see the Seahawks or Dallas and Minnesota fans cringe as they made their picks.

by GreasyQtip on May 2, 2011 8:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Very nice draft

They have talked that they were having conversations on moving up to draft Fairly if he kept falling

by ConradA on May 2, 2011 8:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Considering that would have cost us our 2012 1st round pick +, I’m so glad they didn’t.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Between Bradstater and Brady Quinn, Josh traded away 3 future draft picks… He traded away a future #1 for Alphonso Smith and a future #4 for Lawrence Maroney… He also traded away a future pick for LeKevin Smith and Hochstein.. I’m not sure McD had a filter or a stop mechanism, but if he did something should have sounded the alarm bell of dumbness.

His biggest hit was a future draft pick for Squid and some chump named Jamie Kirlew that was so awful he was cut in the first wave and not even invited to the practice squad… Josh also traded away a future pick for Joe Mays, whom was made expendable by the 2011 draft.

At what point was Josh going to stop doing those deals… I really don’t know. Fortunately, we’ll never have to find out.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Until he got fired

Bellichek pays all his former assistants to crap on other AFC teams…..

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think so. McD was given far too much power by that Joe Ellis moron and McD wasn’t nearly as smart as he thought he was. Add the two together and you have 4-12.

Billicheat had nothing to do with McD’s hubris/inexperience and Joe Ellis’s incompetence.

We shot ourselves with McD. That was a self inflicted wound.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

You sound like you need a hug

McDaniels also got rid of Cutler, who is a whiny baby.
He got rid of Brandon Marshall who obviously has issues being a decent human being.

The problem with McDaniels is he didn’t draft for need.

You guys don’t seem to understand how the draft works and how to rank players on a draft board.

by ConradA on May 2, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

When it comes to McD, I’d like to punch him in his smirking arrogant face. No hugs, just some punches.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with McGeorge

McD’s problem was he thought he was smarter than the rest of the league. How many other new coaches had 2 1st rounders that only contributes 4 .5 total games in their rookie year. First Rounders are supposed to start.

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by KaptainKirk on May 2, 2011 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Alas, McD

If only he’d had a powerful GM to reckon with.

And better people skills.

And better game management skills.

And was a snappier dresser.

And had showed the integrity to fire (or not hire) his video guy.

In sum…. if only he had been someone else.

(sigh) sonofab…

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love this post.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you think Joe Mays is expendable after the way he played last year

Then you weren’t watching the same team I was. Joe Mays was a beast in every game he got significant playing time in, i.e. when he was healthy enough to play. He is a VERY valuable asset as a rotational linebacker IMO.

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by manbearpig5000000 on May 2, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Joe Mays was a beast that missed more open field tackles than he made and his coverage skills suck.

I love his intensity and he made some highlight reel plays, but gamblers like him get hurt and miss a lot of tackles. Case in point, watching Joe Mays in 2010.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I am not worried about the lack of a DT in this draft.

I had made several mocks with us getting Dareus or Fairley in the first round, and another DT in the second. However, I am very pleased at how the draft went. I believe FA will provide us with the DT help we need. I see them bringing back Marcus Thomas, hopefully Justin Bannon, and signing maybe Mebane from Seattle.

I think last year we had players playing in a 3-4 that were, and are, better suited for the 4-3 DT position. So I am not worried. I trust the leadership of EFX will fill this hole.

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by hcubed on May 2, 2011 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Don't get hung up on lack of DT just yet...

DT are notoriously hard to draft. I read a comment on this web site that stated John Fox only drafted 3 DTs at Carolina – two were cut and one hardly plays. Apparently Fox likes super large DTs – most of the highly rated DTs were 6’1 and 300 pounds or so – maxed out in their size. The need for DTs to compliment the other defensive players drafted and remaining crew is obvious and will be addressed. I understand that it is hard not to lose confidence quickly due to the McD debacle – he was given a lot of trust and just completely JACKED up the team with poor player decisions in the draft and in other moves. We need to give the new regime some room to work before we judge. There are some free agents to sign yet and a few undrafted free agents that will be looked at (check out Ian Williams nose tackle from Norte Dame for example… 6’1+, 320 pounds, space eater run stopper projected to be gone by 4th and was undrafted and now with an admitted big chip on shoulder).

Finally, in reference to any angst of the DTs we passed on, please read this scouting report on Marcus Thomas – who was widely considered the BEST player on the FL team until he was kicked off for his love of the Mutha Earf product… we have him on our team and he is okay but certainly no Warren Sapp:

“…could potentially be the best defensive tackle selected… may be the best "pure" pass rusher from the defensive tackle position in this draft class. He is an excellent blend of power and speed for a prospect that could potentially be one of the legitimate steals in the NFL Draft. From a pure athletic, on the field prospect point of view, right up there with Amobi Okoye and Alan Branch… He is reminiscent of Warren Sapp, if I had to suggest anyone. He will need some coaching, but the ceiling as a DT prospect is extremely high. His draft stock is going to vary depending on what team you are speaking to. Could go as high as early round 2 or as late as early round 4, but wherever he is selected, the team who takes the chance could reap the benefits down the line”.

by turnman on May 2, 2011 8:56 AM MDT reply actions  

Why are people forgetting the experience EFX has...

Elway played in this league at a high level. You think a QB can do that without appreciating the impact of everyone on both sides of the ball? Fox has a proven record for building defenses. Not to be gross, but Elway and Fox have left stuff in the toiled with more NFL experience than McD. This is not a shot at McD, more a frustrating realization of how Bowlen and crew did not keep him in check. Why after firing a coach who had multiple super bowl trophies as both head and assistant coach because he had too much power, did we hire someone with far less experience and give him the same power.

The organization should have spanked him with the way he handled the Cutler incident and made him make peace with him. Or if they were going to be okay with offloading Cutler with picks they should have made sure he spent those pics on defensive help. Why did they let him change a blocking scheme that the Broncos had the personal for and was incredible productive for years?

We should be happy, not only do we have more experience in EFX, but we have a better structure for them.

by Keyworthpunch on May 2, 2011 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

While I’m cautiously optimistic about McD’s 2010 draft and Tebow, I’m so very thankful McD was not around to run his 3rd draft.

The sins of the McD regime fall at the feet of Bowlen and Ellis. Hopefully (and it looks like they have), those two learned a very painful lesson about: accountability, compromise, inexperience and trust.

It is so nice to have some gray hair in the war room.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, I used to blame McD but the organization did let him down

It would be like bringing in a rookie and not giving him a play-book and wondering why he is failing.

by Keyworthpunch on May 2, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

More like bringing in a rookie and not giving him a coach (or playbook). McD needed a boss.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Who the hell knows what Ellis does or his function. Joe sure didn’t seem to know when he tried to explain away the McD debacle.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

yup

Ellis is a marketing guy, not a football guy.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

in Xanders' defense

There may be accounting guys who are made of sterner stuff than football coaches. But he doesn’t strike me as one of those guys.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

This!

I still blame Ellis, Bowlen and Xanders for not reigning McD in.

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by HockeyHippie on May 2, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bro, the more time goes by the more and more I think Shanahan was the most OVER RATED coach of all time..

I mush prefer Fox…..just seems to get it. Shanny gambled and has made a career off getting rich off some gambles. The teams he put together in 96, 97 and 98 WERE pure genius, but he was do shit after that.

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by boydy2669 on May 2, 2011 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

yep, 2 losing seasons in ~15 years

He totally sucked. I mean, all those winning seasons were purely lucky gambles. Any Wade Phillips-led team could’ve done just as well.

I mean, all he did in 2005 was take a bunch of Browns castoff d-linemen, a mediocre QB from AZ who’d previously played in all of 1 playoff game, and a bunch of no-name RBs to a 13-3 season and home playoff game in the AFC Chamionship (losing to the eventual SB winner).

I mean, he made Brian Griese into a probowl-caliber QB, and Olandis Gary/Reuben Droughns/Mike Anderson into a 1000yard rushers… only a totally terrible coach would do that. He clearly has no eye for talent given he drafted guys like Clady, Pryce, Cutler, Marshall, Hillis, Kuper, DJ, Doom, Portis, etc.

Clearly he’s a horrible coach who should just quit and stay home. I hope the Broncos NEVER hire someone that terrible again.

(me thinks your standards are a touch high if you think that Shanny did “shit” after the 1990s)

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 8:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Opinions vary....yes, 2005 was good...I forgot that season...though I should not have as that was when he booted Plummer for the Human Jugs Machine!

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by boydy2669 on May 3, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

yes, opinions can vary

but at least try to base them on facts.

Shanny’s relative success compared to 90% of the other coaches in the NFL over the past 15 years has been far above mediocre. His sustained record of success either means he’s the luckiest fool on the planet, or is doing many more things right than wrong… I’d bet on the latter.

Now, that said, he needed to go. He’s a relatively poor GM and had pretty much lost credibility here in Denver by scapegoating his DCs (we NEVER shuld’ve let Coyer go), etc. He is a gambler, and a combination of bad luck (mutiple team tragedies) and the debt he built up on some of his questionable GM moves (Henry, etc.) meant that the team’s overall talent and morale were in a free-fall. We needed to clean house and move on.

But I expect him to be very successful in Washington, now that he has a strong GM in Allen, etc. The ’skins have are in a big hole that Snyder dug them, but this past draft I think shows WAS is now headed in better direction.

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

my apologies

this reads harsher than I intended.

My main thing is I hate that many feel the need to belittle previous players/coaches/etc. for our team, seemingly ingnoring all the good that they did do. Why to we have to tear down and belittle our past rather than focus on getting better in the future?

Over the past 35 years we’ve been one of the most successful franchises in the NFL… even though we’re always striving to do better, it doesn’t mean we haven’t been good to great far more often than we’ve been poor/bad.

Some of our most hated folks from the past few years, like “the human jugs machine”, were amazingly successful in their time in Denver. He threw for over 4000 yards and 20 TDs, and was an extremely exciting prospect that most of us thought had a long and great future in Denver ahead of him. Just because things didn’t work out in the end doesn’t mean they are bad players/coaches/etc… they just weren’t good fits or value for us given circumstances here in Denver at the time they left. Cutler is a good QB… and we got a lot of value for losing him.

I even actually think McD did many more things right than wrong… he cleaned house of lot of folks that needed to go, got good value for many of them, and also did a good job of creating a SYSTEM for rebuilding the team. Some fo the things he did less well (like too much wheeling-dealing for marginal value), some bad luck (Doom/Clady injuries), and some unfair (IMO) media/fan criticism of him due to his need to make some tough decisions to replace a formerly very good coach (dismantling good talent Shanny grabbed like Cutler/Marshall was a tough pill for many to swallow) meant it was also his time to go.

Basically, far too many folks focus on the bad rather than the good. We’re not the Lions… lets be happy about it, rather than be whiners because we’re only “good” most years, not “great”.

You yourself said you FORGOT about 2005…. to me that is simply baffling. It was a GREAT YEAR to be a broncos fan. Did you forget all the other 10-6+ seasons we had the past decade too? That’s just sad to me.

Denver fans complaining that we only were above average rather than the SB champion to me is probably the best indication of Shanny’s success of anything…. Elway and our SB wins have basically turned us into spoiled brats… lets get some perspective.

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with Tim and Brian's grades

and evaluations. Those that think it wasn’t a good draft think so because we have so many stinkin’ needs on D and probably still feel we are not quite there…I agree with that, but we only had 5 picks (to start) and EFX made that 9 (great job!) and you cannot redeem the whole D with one draft. The spots they drafted made sense to me even though I too would have liked to seen us get a DT (Darius) but I do understand what they are doing, free agency will tell the tale. I also have high hopes for Marcus Thomas and Vick in a 4-3, I’ve always felt they were both better suited for it. One good FA DT, one that demands double-teams and that would make this draft an A++, here’s hoping. One last thing….Adam Caplan with Fox Sports is an idiot, his comments above may be the dumbest I’ve heard through this whole draft weekend. Von Miller a DE? It gives me hope that if my current career does not pan out I can go to sports writing because obviously they pay anyone with a pulse to do it.

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by rubincarterrocks on May 2, 2011 9:31 AM MDT reply actions  

I posted a fanshot this morning that showed how each team made out with they draft day trades.

The Broncos came out the winner in both trades as based on the value of the draft picks dealt. It’s rare for a team moving up to come out the winner…so my hat tip goes to EFX on that one!

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

oh and thanks for the shout out!

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

If a B means I think it’s solid, then that would be the grade.

The patience was my favorite part. I’m so thrilled we didn’t trade away any 2012 picks chasing players for a 2011 rebuilding team. Patience was NOT a McD virtue. And that burned him like crazy. It’s the most important lesson he should have picked up from his short stint in Denver.

I thought both our draft day trades were wins for Denver. I’m surprised Green Bay asked for so little in that 4th round deal for Julius Thomas. Getting a mid 4th and 5th round pick to move back 9 spots in round 2 was quite fantastic.

I’d rather have Moore, Carter and Thomas than Jarvis Jenkins. That move was the very definition of how you draft smart and take more than you give. The 49ers got their guy, but they paid a heavy price for it. Bravo front office.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:36 AM MDT reply actions  

I was also very impressed with what I saw of the EFX dynamic.

Together and separately, all three of our execs really seemed passionate about each of these picks. Egos checked at the door in the name of believing in your board. Probably only possible thanks to the presence of ole number 7.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Very True.....

I think for a young, inexperienced A-Type such as McD that patience is a tough thing. You learn and believe in life to go out and get what you want. And that is how football games are won. Right? But the draft is really the opposite. Patience is rewarded. It’s about value and you typically de-value something by giving other things away to go after it.

Quite frankly I’ve always believed in stockpiling picks. I would trade back in the 1st every single year to get more picks. Unless, a unique talent is available, such as a QB or a Von Miller. I would roll the dice for either of them. Hopefully we get a yo-eleven for Denver’s new hero….. Von Miller! Please tell me what is more exciting than watching a guy like that play Defense. Damn they better get this dispute resolved……

by OC Bronco Fan on May 2, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anybody want to give

DeAndre Brown a tryout in camp, huge WR with huge character concerns…left school early and now he went undrafted…I bet he will realize how he has to work real soon…he is undrafted so little to no investment, I really want to give him a chance

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 9:41 AM MDT reply actions  

That guy will go to a team with more WR need than Denver.

That is the problem with UFA vs the draft, the player has the choice, not Denver. We’ re nothing more than one of many options.

Same thing applies to Coefield, MeBane, DeAngelo Williams, etc. Denver was a more attractive option for UFAs when Shanny was the emperor and we were competitive. Our only competitive advantage this time will be our ability to spend more money than anyone else.

Or a chance at roster spot if your an undrafted rookie DT or RB.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

true

I just always thought he could be really good if his head was on straight….we might be needing some backup WR considering Eddie and Bay Bay

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

If you were DeAndre Brown, you wouldn’t sign in Denver. You’d sign for a team like Washington.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

You still have to be invited to a team

yes you can sign with whoever, but they still have to hand you a piece of paper

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

DeAndre Brown will get invites. He’s got enough talent for that.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think we could be competitive with DeAngelo

Well depending on his relationship with Fox. He already knows the system and coach. Could be a somewhat easy sale.

by trumanj on May 2, 2011 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wild card

Mr. Bena could you explain why Nate Irving is the Wildcard. Is it because of his injuries?

by Baghdad on May 2, 2011 9:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly...

Some picks are a risk, while others are a steal based on production. Irving would have gone a lot higher if not for the accident. He was that type of player. His production at NCState last year was indicative of a player that could have gone higher. The Broncos selected a little higher than some may think they should or could have, but not so high that it was a huge risk. I guess that is my definition of a Wild Card.

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by John Bena on May 2, 2011 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

He was rated everywhere from 2nd to 5th

When you have a prospect coming back from injury, it’s hard to rate him. He started every game as a senior.

by ConradA on May 2, 2011 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

And he played really well as a senior....nice "under the radar" guy.

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

he'll be playing with a steel plate in his leg as I understand it...

It’ll be interesting to see if he can stand up to the NFL’s level of play.

by bfree2bronc on May 2, 2011 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the compilation of gradings

I’m with you John (and many others), in that, there is absolutely no merit in ‘grading’ a draft class this early, but I also get the fun of trying. I’d say “B” – simply because We didn’t hit on too much up the middle run stuff-support on D.

I believe there are plenty of undrafted DT prospects We can scoop up, or grab a FA or two, so I am not one to worry, plus We’ve got Vickerson and Thomas, who I feel are underrated and growing exponentially, with their respective experience. I think Eddie Royal’s got it right (as he said the other day on his Facebook page), in that the Broncos are going to surprise a lot of people this year, including many-a Broncos fans.

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 2, 2011 10:00 AM MDT reply actions  

Mcd

When Mcd came in and said he was going to bring in tough, smart football players, I thought he was going to get bigger linemen like the Patriots. But all his trades and what have you weren’t the Patriot way

by Baghdad on May 2, 2011 10:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Draft grades are no more senseless than mock drafts yet we all spend an inordinate amount of time on those—including here at MHR. I enjoy them both. Thanks.

by KansasBronco on May 2, 2011 10:05 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed...

Personally, I am not a big fan of Mock’s either, though I completely understand and support the need to discuss and participate in them…

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by John Bena on May 2, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m with the majority of the national guys. Would have been an A had we picked at least one big interior D lineman. As is, a B with a lot of potential upside. I like the fact that they didn’t go chasing guys who they overvalued like McD did over the past two drafts. It seemed like they had a much more fundamentally sound approach and plan.

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by Bob in Boulder on May 2, 2011 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Yep, I'm with Bob and the national media guys

Generally like all the picks, but am a little nervous about the DT value we didn’t grab… but thats what FA is for, so while I don’t particularly like the lack of D-line help, I’ll hold judgement for now and appreciate the talent we did get.

If I were to do it in an ideal world, I probably would’ve preferred a grabbing a DT rather than Moore, as either Carter or Moore will likely bump a decent DB off the team…. I like Carter better than Moore as I think McBath (if he could just stay healthy) is a better centerfield prospect than Moore…. so that makes Moore perhaps a “depth” pick rather than a starter. Carter may not start immediately, but looks to be a much better prospect than Bruton long-term to replace Dawk in-the-box…. his upside is probowl caliber.

All that said, EFX had no way to know Carter would fall to them, so grabbing a DT in Moore’s spot woulda been risking getting no new safety help (or RT help). With Moore as the best player on their board at the time, I totally understand the pick… it just came at seemingly a pretty high opportunity cost.

by cjfarls on May 2, 2011 10:42 AM MDT reply actions  

Anyone else shocked that McShay said we “won” the AFC draft?

And Kiper said nice things about our draft? What the hell?

Other than that I came away with a few conclusions:

 - Regardless of if you (or I) like it or not expect Haynesworth to be in Orange and Blue next year. Washington didn’t draft a QB and we didn’t draft a DT. And I’m sure Elway still talks to Shanny. I think something is in the works there. Not saying I like it – I’m just saying expect it.

- Our defense is going to generate more turnovers. I like Rahim Moore in that center fielder role in our defense, but I really don’t think he’s strong enough, yet, to make tackles at an NFL level. I watched his gametape and he struggled wrapping up consistently BUT he was consistently around the ball. Quinton Carter is a straight up steal. He has that BLOW IT UP mentality that will jar some balls loose once he gets an NFL level strength and conditioning program.

- Nate Irving is the steal of this draft. You can’t teach the instincts he has. He is a sure and punishing tackler that sheds blocks well and flys to the ball. He plays faster than his measurables. He is SOLID in coverage, too, and combined with his instincts will generate some serious plays for Denver. He is my 2nd favorite pick in the draft.

- Von Miller is rare. Dareus is talented, yes, but I think too many people are expecting Suh with him and thats not reasonable. Miller is going to be a NIGHTMARE for OCs to scheme against. This guy is coming INTO the league with several different pass rush moves which is rare and he’s only going to get better. Look for him to make an impression early.

- EFX likes what we have on offense and we can expect a very defensive oriented draft for the next several years. Our offensive is very young save a few pieces here and there. We should be very excited at the youth on offense.

- The two DTs we wanted went off the board early. Jenkins and Ballard. Jenkins went to the skins and you can’t help but wonder if this was a move by Shanny to almost force Denver’s hand in trading Orton their way. Plus Jenkins can step in and fill Haynesworth spot.

- Can we get some 2012 mock drafts going yet?

Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.

by ChristianL on May 2, 2011 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

To get the ball moving…

Jerell Worthy as our first pick?

Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.

by ChristianL on May 2, 2011 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

interesting shanny - elway scenario

plus with washington grabbing jenkins, it at least sounds plausible

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by BroncoJoe311 on May 2, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Elway and Shanahan don't normally talk to each other.

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by Alan_Smithee on May 2, 2011 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm in the B+/A- range

I can’t give it a full A since we drafted Franklin and didn’t get a DT, but niether of those were horrbile mistakes and they got great value at every pick, including Nate Irving

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by DBroncs1414 on May 2, 2011 11:11 AM MDT reply actions  

A

Though Linebacker and Safety aren’t the sexiest picks in the moment, they are when it comes to crushing fools on the field. This is the draft that I’ve wanted for the last four years. We are on the way to seeing something really special happen with our D. In this draft there wasnt the usual “Oh crap! What did we just do moment…” that we seem to be used to seeing. I think we did great. Bring on Free Agency! Woo woo!

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by Jezru on May 2, 2011 11:16 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Do you think the drafting of the two safeties means that the new regime isn’t too high on Bruton and McBath?

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by Bob in Boulder on May 2, 2011 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. Nor are they high on Rich Quinn.

Unlike Tebow, whom played well enough to allow Denver to focus their draft attention elsewhere, McBath, Bruton and Quinn have been found wanting by EFX. My guess, two of those guys don’t even see the 2011 final roster. And my guess is those two are McGlass and Quinn.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

McD badly McBungled both of the last two drafts. Hell, even Ayers may be looking over his shoulder this season. Do you think he’ll transition well into a 4-3 defensive end?

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by Bob in Boulder on May 2, 2011 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do. Robert Ayers was no more an OLB than you or I.

He’ll be better in 2011.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I’m expecting him to have a significant increase in production. Not having Doom really hurt him.

Now we’re adding Doom AND Miller and you have to block both. Ayers will benefit from this greatly.

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by ChristianL on May 2, 2011 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Ayers is moving back to the position he played in college...DE

We put him at OLB and like McG said, he’s no more a OLB than you or I

The QB position is set!

by broncofaninIL on May 2, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Robert Ayers

1 Year starter at Tennessee

IN 4 YEARS AT TENNESSEE HE HAD 9 SACKS. HE HAD 4 in 2007 and 3 in 2008. 49 TACKLES in 2008.

THIS GUY WAS NEVER GOOD…NEVER……..

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

NFL Draft Proflie

Athletic Ability: Ayers is a classic Indianapolis Colts-style of defensive lineman — a bit undersized, but can be utilized in a variety of roles up front. He is not a great athlete; lacks suddenness off the edge, but could be utilized as an under-tackle for several snaps. Uses his hands well to defeat blocks. He has decent quickness and good balance, but is a bit stiff and struggles to bend his knees and play with good leverage. He shows adequate leverage strength, but lacks bulk. He is quick on the move, showing enough quick-twitch and natural movement, along with a strong hand punch to jolt the offensive lineman. He knows how to vary his speed along the edge to close on the quarterback. He also uses his long arms effectively to reach and separate. GRADE: 6.2

Work Habits: While Ayers has good explosion and burst, from the looks of his weight room figures, you can see why some teams think he will get pushed around a bit. He has a history of shoulder woes dating to his high school days, but they did not come back to haunt him at Tennessee. Despite showing a strong hand punch in the trenches, his bench press totals indicate the shoulder issues might persist. He really bought into the program prior to his senior year, but after three less-than spectacular seasons, it leads teams to wonder if he was a one-year riser or one that is reaching his potential. GRADE: 5.7

Explosion/Pursuit: Ayers does not display an explosive first step off the snap, nor does he have blazing closing quickness, two critical factors in finding a quality edge rusher. He has the agility to redirect in-line and varies his speed to slip past and avoid blockers. When he is isolated or coming off the edge, he shows the hand usage and hip dip to get off the ball and gain penetration. He shows very good hand usage (rip and swim moves) in order to defeat the initial block, showing a nice arm cross over move to break free. GRADE: 6.0
Pass Rush: Ayers is really not a good pass rusher, more the type that will pressure the pocket than seal the deal and close on the QB. He lacks that explosive first step off the snap, but can vary his speed to get the offensive tackle off kilter. In 2008, he showed better body control and hand usage to avoid blocks and work around them to put pressure on the pocket. He still needs to utilize his array of moves more often in order to be effective. He has developed enough quickness to pressure, but has problems when he has to play off blocks when working inside (strength issues). GRADE: 6.1

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ayers was drafted as a 3/4 OLB in McD/Nolans grand scheme...

Ayers was peg wedged into a round hole and even with that he started to show improvement in 2010 to those adjustments. This year he will be doing what he knows best, 4/3 DE and I believe he could flourish in it. Remember John Fox’s words when he first came to Denver; “some of the pieces are already here”…Same can be said about Marcus Thomas. Is is a 4/3 DT not a 3/4 DE/DT. Agin, a peg in a round hole. Resign this young man because we need his athleticism. P.S. Ayer can play DT on certain downs with Von Miller along side the edge…One good DT in FA and a decent one and we’ll be set imo…

by bfree2bronc on May 2, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

People constantly underrate Ayers.

He will be a bookend opposite Doom for many years to come. You watch. You like the sexy sacks…I’ll take the tackles of RB at the line of scrimmage. Ayers did a lot of that, even with a horrible defense.

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thank you for saying that

Ayers had a big improvement in college from 1st year to senior year at DE. He will get better as time goes on, particularly operating within the same system from year to year. Beals will push him and make a really good rotation at DE. With Miller behind him at OLB, this could be a fascinating interaction.

by OrangeandBluesBros on May 3, 2011 7:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't want sacks from him

I want run defense and contributions to QB hurries/pressures. I think he’s good at that and will be excited to see him play in the upcoming year at his natural DE position. If Broncos run defense isn’t going to be trampled, Ayers is going to be a big part of it.

by cosBroncosFan on May 2, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I want a little bit more production out of my 17th overall pick

how many times does a run stuffing DE get drafted in the Top 20?

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was never a fan of the Robert Ayers pick, but I could care less what he did in college. In two years in the NFL, he has shown several flashes of run stopping ability and a bull rush that can collapse a pocket from the outside.

Jarvis Moss was never good. In fact, he SUCKED. Ayers is decent (not great and he’ll probably never will be), but you can’t have stars at every position. If Robert Ayers is a 1st round pick that produces like a 3rd rounder, that is not the worst thing that can happen.

Jarvis Moss was a 1st round pick that played like a 3rd string water boy. That is the worst that can happen. But that is not Ayers. And there is a HUGE difference.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

17 overall picks are suppose to be better

He never produced in college…people are saying he will be good now that he is returning to his “natural position”. OMG Robert Ayers will be way good now that he is a DE in the 4-3. All I am saying he is returning to a position he has never really produced in in the first place……

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

you really seem to be struggling with the concept of a bust.

Robert Ayers would make the roster of all 32 NFL teams. In fact, he’d be in the playing rotation of all 32 NFL teams.

Is Robert Ayers supposed to be better because he was the 18th pick. Yes.

But Jarvis Moss, the 17th pick in the 2007 draft isn’t good enough to make the roster of 30 teams in the NFL. Probably all 32 after TC this year and his career will be over before he is 26. That is a BUST.

Robert Ayers is just underwheming. He was overdrafted by McD. but if the 2009 draft is held in hindsight, Robert Ayers still gets drafted by the end of round 3. Robert is a rotational NFL player. If Jarvis Moss was in the 2007 draft, in hindsight, he doesn’t even get picked.

If all Robert Ayers does in 2011 is defend the run competently and collapse the pocket with his bull rush, then he is doing enough to merit his PT.

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

HEY

Jarvis Moss still has a shot in the UFL. His NFL career may be over but to say his career is over isn’t fair.

But I think the bar is a little higher for Ayers. I think he can become an elite player in terms of setting the edge and stuffing the run.

If we’re fair this is really his year to breakout. He will probably be as good as he’s going to be THIS year. Hopefully something clicks.

Draft Peterson. Elway fears him.

by ChristianL on May 3, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Robert Ayers wasn’t 26, I’d feel better about him.

I think you are right about this year. I don’t thing Robert will ever get better than he plays in 2011. Let’s hope he is a DE afterall. I always said he was a 4-3 DE and NOT an OLB.

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by McGeorge on May 4, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

35% of #17 picks

bust completely and don’t contribute at all… so its hard to say he’s “supposed to be better”.

Ayers is good enough to be a solid rotational starter…. while you hope all first round picks become probowlers, teams are perfectly happy if this is what they get.

The draft is a crapshoot…. deal.

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm going to throw out theory-

I’ve mentioned this a couple times, but I think that Ayers looks better rushing from the inside. His bullrush is by far his best (only?) move, and he looks slow and lacks agility rushing from the perimeter.

I heard Fox mention moving him inside (not to DT exactly), and I think it might be part of the plan. Ayers is looking more like a DT everyday. OR perhaps we just see Miller lining up outside of him in most of the passing situations.

possible?

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by buckhammer on May 2, 2011 6:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think he's an everydown DT

Fox apparently likes bigger DTs, so even if Ayers bulked up to 295 or so, I doubt Fox would want him there fulltime.

but your totally right, and I strongly suspect that our nickel/dime D-line may be Doom, Thomas (or FA), Ayers and Miller.

Ayers is a similar size as Justin Tuck, who often moves inside on passing downs (particularly before Strahan retired and injuries to Osi, et. al. forced him to stay on the edge more). Rahim Brock for Indy might be another good comparison, but Indy tends to play small upfront overall anyway (or at least used to… they got bigger last year).

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

We often moved Holliday and Reid inside as well

though it was a 3-4 or offset 5-2 with a standing lineman, the principle remains the same: a block shedder with some speed is a great value to provide interior pressure on passing downs, so I too expect to see some Ayers rotated inside in the nickle.

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by Jeremy Bolander on May 3, 2011 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who knew that we’d miss Reid so badly in 2010. An underrated injury for sure.

Hell, we missed Holliday as well.

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by McGeorge on May 4, 2011 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think...

they are not high on Bruton (after watching his tape on anything but ST, how can you be)… and while McBath looks good when on the field, he is injury unreliable… so not surprised they brought incompetition.

If he stays healthy expect McBath to win a starting spot… likely making Hill expendable, as then Moore becomes the primary FS backup. The exception would be if Hill can beat out Dawk for the “in the box” guy… Carter likely backs up whichever vet remains unless Bruton just totally outplays him (unlikely).

If McBath can’t stay healthy, he becomes expendable and Hill stays with Moore as a backup… but I hope not because I think Mcbath’s upside is far above Moore’s.

by cjfarls on May 2, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bruton.....

Was drafted to be a specialist on ST. The fact that he has been able to step in when injuries have occurred is a bonus. Not everyone is drafted to start at their respective positions. Bruton is a great ST Player and that will likely remain his role. He is effective there and improved from Yr 1 to Yr 2.

by OC Bronco Fan on May 2, 2011 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

not meant particularly as a slam on Bruton

he is what he is… I pointed out he was a solid ST contributer… but he was bad on DEF.

that said, given the new guys we brought in that have a much higher upside on defense, my guess is unless he can outplay one of the vets, his days as a bronco may be numbered. Can he beat out Hill or Dawk?… I don’t know… now if McBath (or someone else) gets hurt (semi-likely given history and age), his chances of snagging a roster spot improve considerably… but Bruton is defintiely a bubble player.

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

I voted B, but I think we are incorrrect to assume NT was biggest need

After listening to Fox’s analysis of biggest need on D:
1. Pass rush
2. Speed, coverage and tackling in open space

He didn’t say, holes blown open in DL.

Let’s pretend John’s Fox’s analysis is correct, then the Broncos did address their biggest needs. Their drafted defensive players are faster, get penetration, tackler well, and have good turnover capabilities.

More turnovers, lower completion %s, and fewer big gains (run and pass) are all good things for a defense.

On offense the two biggest needs:
—TE with speed and hands
—OL that can drive the defense backward and open holes for backs

Seems like they upgraded those tw o needs as well.

So, although I and others say DT was biggest need. More accurately, DT remains a big need, but it wasn’t the biggest. A big DT wouldn’t solve the inability to cover and tackle in space.

Since there’s not much available in free agency at DT, we might have to wait until 2012 draft to truly address that need.

What do you think?

by MichaelCushman on May 2, 2011 11:29 AM MDT reply actions  

DT wouldn’t be our biggest need if we had Marcus Thomas and Bannon under contract…. But we don’t.

If Marcus Thomas signs with say (Jacksonville) and Bannon signs in Baltimore… Our DTs are Vickerson and…. and…. and… umm..

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by McGeorge on May 2, 2011 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Agree on this aspect when it comes to one specific opponent

Look how KC attacks — perimeter. DT doesn’t do much for us there. We needed speed on the edge and at LB. We seem to have it!

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

B for picking defense...

…C or worse if less than half the picks pan out while the drafted DL makes the other teams look good and whatever remaining plans the Broncos have for 2011 DL possibly do not pan out.

DL is/was considered a big need, wasn’t it?

Without DL I don’t believe in pass rush and certainly not rush defense. Instead of projecting sack counts I’d prefer to count QB hurries and QB pressures.

by cosBroncosFan on May 2, 2011 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I hate grading drafts without a little hindsight

But I think this should go down as an A-, I understand that there are many more holes to fill, but I am so glad that no reaches were made, they stuck to their board, paid attention to their scouts, and got good value throughout, also were able to trade back and pick up some more picks, great job there as well.

I may quible over some of the selections versus who I would of liked personnelly, but agin I will defer to how the EFX crew had their ratings before rushing to judgement. They are paid to do it, I am just a fan.

I would also say this is an incomplete grade in the sense we can’t sign undrafted free agents, I am really curious of who they have targeted, cause there are some good players still out there that we will have to wait and see what happens.

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by Broncoman on May 2, 2011 11:55 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

So do most of us that graded it.

;-)

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by Tim Lynch on May 2, 2011 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Actually, such as every single defensive category

But we will get back to respectability like you said

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by Calikula on May 3, 2011 7:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll wait to grade until one more draft

I like the players drafted and that they had consensus on who they picked. I’d like to see them do this well next year, but I’m worried they’ll give away the farm for Andrew Luck. I worry that they’ easily passed on all the quarterbacks because they have a bulls-eye on next year – and Luck. Hopefully not, and we continue to rebuild.

by Orangeboom on May 2, 2011 11:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Don't know

The last time they were able to land a once in a lifetime QB things worked out pretty damn well. ;)

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by Bob in Boulder on May 2, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Tim Tebow will develop into a op QB in the league...

He has the tenacity to not fail and he has the tools…All we need now is a stout FB, RB and a healthy Demarius Thomas…I believe we will be able to get 20-24 points a game out of this offense now especially with the bulk of the OLine in it’s second year together. And, a healthy Lendale White? Yikes….

by bfree2bronc on May 2, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

mmmm

koolaid tastes goooood.

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by BeachBronco on May 2, 2011 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

The best way to draft,

from what I heard before the draft was to take the best available player at a position of need. Isn’t that was EFX did? I liked the Miller pick. We didn’t get a DT because they just were not there at the right time.

So in the end, and for whatever grades are worth, EFX, in some cases were graded down because they drafted for value and did not reach for players. Sometimes, you just can’t win.

by Bronkfan on May 2, 2011 1:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Bascially

if you draft players with names you have heard your grade is good, if you draft unknown guys your grade is mehh or bad

by waterboy31321 on May 2, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

correct

grading the draft is sillier than mock drafts

by super7 on May 2, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm excited about the Broncos' draft

and I still remain confident we can get a new CBA done on time before games are missed. Here is a pro-Broncos clip! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HR9caPH1Ns

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by the new Bradfather on May 2, 2011 1:23 PM MDT reply actions  

be right back

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Uhm

Hate to burst your bubble BM, but I don’t picture you exactly flattering in some short shorts

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by Calikula on May 3, 2011 7:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

you got something against hairy legs?

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by Jeremy Bolander on May 3, 2011 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why yes, Jeremy, yes I do

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by Calikula on May 4, 2011 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I loved that show :)

Had a huge crush on Mindy LOL

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by Broncotodd on May 3, 2011 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

Time will tell but the draft looks pretty good to me

I think as fans we were overly fixated on defensive tackle. Teams running all over us is terrible but our lack of pass rush has been terrible as well. I think Miller can have more impact there then one defensive tackle can stopping the rush. Plus Dumerville returns so this could even turn into a strength. We basically had no tight ends and now we have a couple that have some potential. We have the top safeties of this class to groom as we watch our current ones get aged out.

So given that we can’t solve everything in one draft, I like the idea that decisions were being made that seemed to take into account that the 2010 Broncos managed to be horrible in lots of creative and interesting ways that go beyond the defensive tackle position, though hopefully we can address that as well.

The premium really is on getting people who can contribute and provide an upgrade so the philosophy seemed sound. It is a matter of waiting to see how it pans out and I agree we’ll have to wait a few years to see about that.

by Broncos2009 on May 2, 2011 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

To all of those who question the lack of DTs:

1) During their post-draft presser, Fox and Elway kept referring to Miller as a difference maker and somebody that the other team has to account for. They wanted to draft a player who brings the most dirsuptive skill set to the draft, and that player is absolutely Miller. As early as week 1, opposing teams must account for Miller AND Dumervil at all times. They will absolutely have to game plan for the 2 of them.

2) Denver obviously only graded 5 DTs as starters. By taking Miller, they passed up 4 of them. By trading back and adding TWO starters (irving & Moore), they passed on the 5th. They did not grade Austin as a starter, otherwise they’d have drafted him.

3) Would you rather them draft a late round DT, knowing full well that he wasn’t talented enough to start, over players that Denver obviously rated higher than the highest available DT on their board? Denver doesn’t need bottom of the roster DTs. We already have plenty of those.

4) Elway characterized Denver’s biggest need as “Front 7”. They drafted the best front 7 player in the draft according to MOST analysts. The real conversation is why NOT Dareus. To me, it’s because of level of impact. Not just that Darus can be accounted before and they may have felt like teams would have a harder time game-planning fro Miller than Dareus. But knowing that Denver is in Nickel 40+% of the time, Denver drafted the best nickel D-Lineman in the draft in Von Miller. He and Doom will be on the edges, Bannan (if he comes back, if not TBA) and Ayers on the inside. That’s a stellar Nickel DL. Maybe best in the NFL.

by super7 on May 2, 2011 2:07 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Out of the whole draft Orlando Franklin is the nost interesting to me...

How long has it been since we were actually “nasty” on our OLine? Franklin reportedly is a nasty and some have considered him a dirty player. No better way can an offense be more proficient with what they are doing than to take an opposing defensive player or players out of their game. Players don’t play well when they are mad or upset, their mind is somewhere else and it makes a great time to attck their weaknesses…Way to go EFX…Can’t wait to see this young man busting someone’s gonads! I graded the draft a B only because we didn’t get a DT, but I see their plan and I love the direction the Broncos are going in…13-3 Bay!!! Until we ain’t!

by bfree2bronc on May 2, 2011 2:13 PM MDT reply actions  

ah yes, mad or upset

a la Derrick Thomas vs. Shannon Sharpe. : ) Good times.

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by broncosmontana on May 2, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was at that game

The behavior on the field extended into the stands. It was NOT good natured. There was a giant “Romanowski is in the Hou-ski” sign that was gobbled up by the KC faithful led to consistent elbow to the back of the neck and a few well placed kidney punches and an elbow to the head that led to a bloody nose (hey it matches your face paint!). But by game’s end, most of the KC backers were in full tail-between-the-legs-mode.

That game put us at 10-0. Sharpe was in DT’s head. Bubby was all over the scoreboard. I was all over the pre-game tailgate scene. My buddy’s dad was all over Jager in the parking lot. Yikes. That was frightening.

I always had a soft spot in my heart for DT, especially after the accident. I was at a bar in KC a few years prior and DT was there and he was super humble and private. He didn’t want to bother anyone. Wasn’t loud or attention seeking. Didn’t have an entourage. I liked him – he said hi to us before we said hi to him.

I also met Marcus Allen in KC, nice guy, but had a HUGE entourage. And he was much bigger than I thought he’d be.

Its too bad that what happened to DT did, but in a way, I think only a KC fan or a Broncos fan can truly appreciate what DT meant to the NFL. It was his friendly rivalry with Elway that in some ways defined his career. I’m happy that Von Miller is cognizant of that history and what DT meant to football in the midwest.

by super7 on May 2, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

What Shannon said......

He was known to be one of, if not the very best, trash talkers in the League. Supposedly he had been in his ear the entire game about being with Thomas’ wife or girlfriend or whatever. Kept at him and kept at him and was doing a great job blocking as well. Then finally, when he had gotten deep enough in Thomas’ dome he told Thomas the phone number verbatim and Thomas snapped. Perfectly played.

by OC Bronco Fan on May 2, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Love this.

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by BeachBronco on May 2, 2011 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I also love the quote from the Patriots game
“Mr. President, call in the National Guard! We need as many men as you can spare! Because we are killing the Patriots! We’ll call the dogs off! Send the National Guard please!”

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by Calikula on May 3, 2011 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

I remember thinking at the time...

…that it was kindof an asshat move, but that it was friggin hilarious, so I forgave him. I do understand why Pats fans hate him however ;-)

by cjfarls on May 3, 2011 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah who can blame 'em?

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by Calikula on May 3, 2011 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Excited but reserved

Gave the Draft a B, would have gone B+ if I could.

4 front seven players taken, more than the last 3 drafts combined. Lack of DT bothers me, but not nearly as much if we had taken a DT just to take one and they turned out to be the Jarvis Moss or Willie Middlebrooks of DT’s. Take the best player that fits your system seems to be the model they followed.

Favorite pick for me is Franklin in the second round. When they described him as a nasty blocker especially in the run game, I liked it cause 3rd and short has been a problem for years around here and hopefully he will help with that problem. Line him up next to Kuper and run behind them.

How come the guy from foxsport gives the draft a “C”, yet his reason makes no sense?

by LuckyCast on May 2, 2011 2:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Great draft because they didn’t panic like people on here did when they didn’t draft a bunch of d lineman just because

by always broncs on May 2, 2011 2:44 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I like our draft a lot

Out main needs heading into the draft were defense, defense, more defense, RT, and TE. We arguably could have used upgrades at every position on defense heading into the draft. We also had no RT and our TE’s are terrible. So I really like how EFX stuck to the board and kept picking the best players available.

Von Miller won the Butkus award in his senior year and could be a terror as a 3rd down pass rusher. He fills a huge need at Sam linebacker. He is a for sure starter day 1.

Moore was by far the best safety in this class. He is a ballhawk, a hard worker, and a high character guy. He plays a great center fielder and is likely to start day 1 for us.

Franklin was a pick that I am not thrilled about, but I understand the pick. We need a RT so the need fits.

Irving is a guy I like a lot. He is a thumper of a MLB and it will be great to some competition at that spot. Parcells rated him as a 1st round talent. He could very well start this year.

Carter was arguably the 2nd best safety. He lacks some instincts, but he is an absolute thumper. Type his name into google and you will see clips of him just destroying receivers. He is a great SS prospect who could learn behind Dawk for a year and take over next year.

Julius Thomas is the TE that I wanted for a long time. Rich Quinn and Gronk will likely never be receiving tight ends and it is crucial to have receiving TE when you are developing a young QB. Thomas could start this year.

Mike Mohammad played 3-4 MLB for Cal. He is an extremely hard worker who will give us much needed LB depth and another ST player. I think he’ll eventually be a ST captain.

Virgil Green was projected to go a lot higher then this, but fell due to medical concerns. If he can stay healthy, he will give Tebow an extremely athletic TE to throw too. He was a fantastic option for Kaepernick.

Jeremy Beal is just a great value. He had a very productive career at Oklahoma and will give us nice depth at DE.

Overall, I like our draft a lot, but I can’t give us an A. Our biggest need was at DT and we didn’t address it at all. That stops me from giving us an A, but I like our draft a lot and we could easily have 4-5 starters from this draft. Great first draft by EFX with lots more to come.

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by Nick Cast on May 2, 2011 2:50 PM MDT reply actions  

B.

If we can nab a stout DT or two in F.A. then I can easily see it becoming an A draft. I believe we got great value with all our picks, and Miller will be sensational teaming up with Doom. I feel much better about our defense going in to this season, and I haven’t had that feeling for quite a while. Now we need to see what Tebow can do. If nothing else, it will be an exciting time in Broncoland if for nothing else than the changes this team has seen over the last year or so. Hopefully this time we’ve found a coach that will stick around for a while.

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by grind_core on May 2, 2011 3:34 PM MDT reply actions  

2nd Round

The first pick that the Broncos made in the 2nd round was solid. I am looking forward to see what Rahim Moore can bring to the field and he will have one of the best teachers in the game in Brian Dawkins. My issue is with Orlando Franklin at #46.While the Broncos do need depth on the offensive line and Franklin will provide coverage at the guard and right tackle position and is good insurance for Ryan Harris, there will several good defenders still on the board. I would have preferred that the Broncos spend the pick on highly rated defensive tackle Marvin Austin or Mikel Leshoure who would be a great tandem back with Knowshon, or players whose stock dropped because of injuries, Oregon State DT Stephen Paea or DE Da’Quan Bowers. Even with Bowers injury problems he would have been a steal at 46,as he was when he fell to Tampa Bay at 52(now that will be an All Pro line for years to come with Clayborn,Bowers,McCoy and Price).

I like the selections of S Quintin Carter,who will add depth and contribute to special teams and I am intrigued by the basketball player Julius Thomas. Thank God that Denver didnt take a flyer on one of the many reaches at QB( I am pointing at you Minnesota-Christian Ponder was at best a 2nd rounder).Like many I would have liked to see Denver draft a run stopping defensie tackle but they at least they addressed the needs at rushing the QB and the defensive secondary. If Irving can work out I think this will be a great draft

by Charlie Kirkpatrick on May 3, 2011 1:06 PM MDT reply actions  

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