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NFL Secret Meeting a Smoke Signal or Smokescreen?

Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Richardson of the Carolina Panthers were two of the owners involved in a secret meeting between representatives of the NFL and Players Association in Chicago yesterday. (Photo by Hannah Foslien /Getty Images)

Various sources reported that secret talks were held by members of the NFL owners and the NFL players representation on Wednesday. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, the New England Patriots' Robert Kraft, the New York Giants' John Mara and the Pittsburgh Steelers' Art Rooney were the owners present along with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell.  DeMaurice Smith, Kevin Mawae, the Kansas City Chiefs' Mike Vrabel and the Indianapolis Colts' Jeff Saturday were also in attendance representing the players. The only lawyer present was Smith.

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The meeting was held in Chicago to try to bridge some of their significant differences, according to multiple league sources. The two sides worked into the night, though it is unknown how long the NFL and NFLPA actually spent in talks.

With Day 80 of the Lockout nearing and a day before the next scheduled court date, it is possible that the two sides have come to the realization that this impasse must end. Friday's hearing in St. Louis in front of the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, will preside over an appeal determining whether or not the lockout will be lifted. The final judgment is not expected until at least late June. Regardless of that, Mediation between the two sides should resume on June 7th.

Football fans are enduring the longest work stoppage in NFL history.

So are the two sides determined to work out a settlement that eventually leads to a new CBA? 

Or is it all a smokescreen. 

UPDATE 2:00 pm MT

The U.S. District court in Minnesota has canceled mediation sessions scheduled for next week to begin "confidential settlement talks" with the NFL and the NFLPA. U.S. Magistrate Judge Arthur Boylan is pushing for a settlement now, taking advantage of the uncertainty and lack of leverage on both sides before the Eighth Circuit issues a ruling on the lockout. The players have been pushing for serious talks with the "power-broker" owners as opposes to attorneys, and this is a step in the right direction. As NFL Network's Albert Breer points out, terms of the next CBA were included in the settlement reached back in 1993.






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maybe they listened to Floyd Little

who justifiably labeled them all “idiots” if they don’t find a solution.

by Bradoncadonc on Jun 2, 2011 11:45 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

The NFL makes to much money for a season not to happen

they know if they go to court they will lose and if they lose with no rules pro football will turn into MLB teams will buy all the best players with no salary cap and players will start to make trillions of dollars a year they will give the players what they want or they will lose

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GO BRONCOS

by Taylor K on Jun 2, 2011 11:51 AM MDT reply actions  

As far as it being the longest work stoppage,

that’s a bit funny of a statement, considering we haven’t missed any actual football yet, as opposed to the two times in the 80s that games were lost in a season. So while it may be true that it’s the longest “work stoppage,” I’m not sure it’s the most significant work stoppage.

by Orange Rush on Jun 2, 2011 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe it wasn't meant to be a secret

Maybe they got a cheaper rate to rent the space at night, this is a recession after all. Plus I mean, is it really a secret meeting if the press finds it before it even starts? Either way, I hope they made some progress.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Jun 2, 2011 12:10 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't know what to think.

As long as the players do not re-certify there can be no CBA. I wouldn’t call this a smokescreen either. The only bargaining they can do is to figure out how the NFL will work without CBA. That is what the court ordered mediation talks are really about. trying to figure out how to get things done without a CBA.

As far as just wanting some football well if you can’t stand how they run baseball then you won’t like how this will all turn out in the end. I know I won’t.

by papasteven on Jun 2, 2011 12:16 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

As we historians (or aspiring historians)

know, SETTLEMENT is what led to labor peace after the 87 strike season, sounds good to me!

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by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Okay I got your point

Yes they reached a settlement then. But the players really didn’t want to re-certify then. So don’t expect them to now. They can reach a settlement but don’t expect it to be like it was before. In order for a CBA to be reached the players will have to re-certify as a union. A players association does not represent all members in collective bargaining. Only a labor association ie trade association or union can do that, and Upshaw didn’t want to re-certify then but was basically forced to by the NFL ie owners. Football will be a lot different than what we have had. Think Major League baseball.

by papasteven on Jun 2, 2011 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

This article by John Mara...

NY Giants president and CEO is worth the read if you haven’t yet.

Here is a little bit of it.

“The solution lies at the bargaining table. Everyone should realize what is at stake, especially in this economy. Right now, fans are caught in the middle listening to rhetoric and legalese they don’t want to hear. That is why, as ownership and players, we must recognize our shared responsibility as stewards of the game to compromise and reach a fair agreement — one that highly compensates players, protects their health and safety, ensures the on-field competitiveness of 32 teams, helps retired players, and improves the fan experience and fan value. The best way to get there is to let both sides exercise their labor law rights.

The current ball of confusion needs to become a football season, pronto; the kind of football season that NFL fans have grown to love and that has made our sport so popular."

No joke dude! I’m so sick of this BS that it’s pathetic!

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Jun 2, 2011 12:45 PM MDT reply actions  

John Mara is a classy man

perhaps if everyone had listened to him more, this never would have happened. Thank heavens for his dad and grandpa who helped make the NFL a league wherein small markets can compete along with their deep-pocketed counterparts!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

True That Brad!

I think they need to boot all the lawyers and the Players Union and start over with just the players and owners negotiating. hey, lets face it, to many “Outsiders” are trying to get a piece of the pie. Agents and lawyers do more damage then good in my humble opinion.

It is better to keep silent, and appear to be wise, then to ramble on and remove all doubt! The Wisest Man, Solomon.

by metalman5050 on Jun 2, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Call me crazy

if thou art desirous but I prefer the term quixotic like this stud , but I believe something is in the works now, primarily because PFT asserts no lawyers (save De Smith) were present. My life is great because of faith, so I choose to believe!

Brad James

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by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 12:46 PM MDT reply actions  

Just get something done......PLEASE!!!!

Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.

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2009-10 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant

by weazel on Jun 2, 2011 12:58 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

sticking points

Anybody know what the big sticking points are? Rookie salary cap, lenth of contracts, salary cap , or increased drug testing? Or is it a reduction in pay across the board?

by Baghdad on Jun 2, 2011 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

I think those are topics of discussion

I think the biggest issue is the break up of money between the owners and players.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Jun 2, 2011 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think that the players are starting to realize that No CBA means no money split.

If each team has to act like a separate business then they the teams don’t have to share any revenue with they players.

by papasteven on Jun 2, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course! Why handn't I thought of this before?

Hopefully that ray of light wil urge the players’ pea brains. to get back and negotiate or settle this thing.

Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense

NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.

by Boiler etc on Jun 3, 2011 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

About 3 hours ago

XAMSports Scott Smith Tweeted
the plot thickens RT @MarkMaske: Mediator Arthur Boylan participated in Wednesday’s meeting between the league and players, a source said.

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by KaptainKirk on Jun 2, 2011 1:21 PM MDT reply actions  

This was basically organized by the mediator (or set up at his urging). I'm glad they are meeting but there will not be a deal until after the ruling of the 8th circuit court

Hopefully they are laying a foundation though to get a deal done as quickly as possible no matter what the ruling.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Jun 2, 2011 1:47 PM MDT reply actions  

and the reason I think a deal won't get done

is because the Owners won’t really sweeten the pot and the players won’t accept their offers or make new ones. At least not until after the ruling IMO.

Tim Tebow wears 3WM and drinks Tuscan whole milk.

by BroncoMath101 on Jun 2, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

hopefully said ruling comes tomorrow then

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think this is a good sign

The owners are almost certain to win their 8th circuit hearing and really had no reason to step forward here. If John Clayton is right and the owners initiated this latest meeting, that bodes well for a deal. If they were simply going to low ball the players again Smith would have walked away pronto. He didn’t. That tells me the owners have concerns about their lockout strategy and the players resolve and must have made a decent move from their previous position. Otherwise, what’s the point? I like it. Let’s get ’er done boys.

by John in Castle Rock on Jun 2, 2011 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

The latest from Daniel Kaplan of the SportsBusiness Journal on Twitter ...

“The minnesota federal court has cancelled mediation set next week saying it is engaged in confidential settlement talks with the parties”

by BroncoTwins on Jun 2, 2011 2:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Yawn

More pictures of rich old white guys in thousand dollar suits. Boring. back to sleep with me. Wake me when it’s over.

W.W.T.T.D.?

by TheMastermind on Jun 2, 2011 2:22 PM MDT reply actions  

It may be a long sleep sadly

Rip Van Winkle kind of nap maybe.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Jun 2, 2011 2:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Got something problematic with

rich old white guys? Prefer dark, poor black guys? Geesh

Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense

NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.

by Boiler etc on Jun 3, 2011 12:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's amusing that the meeting was labelled as "secret"

Since everything I’ve heard about the talks since this went to the courts is that the courts had ordered both sides to not talk about their discussions.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Jun 2, 2011 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

PFT called it "secret"

in order to make it provocative and exciting. That’s all journalists ERRRR sensationalists do, spice things up, make things more exciting than they really are

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well it was secret because

Most of the owners and Player Reps didn’t know about it.

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by KaptainKirk on Jun 2, 2011 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

Touche!

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Imagine that!

With no attorneys present, both sides reported that progress was made. Attorneys are only good at delays and milking clients for fees.

by rocko1 on Jun 2, 2011 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

The cast of characters is very impressive

The list of owners and players present reads like a who’s who list of the true power brokers in this thing. There was a mediator, one with some power and clout from the court’s perspective. Both the NFL Commish and the Union President where there. The top players were present, and a very impressive collection of the top owners were present.

And the lawyers were left out.

For something to actually get done… for more than just progress, but real results… This is pretty much the Dream Team. These guys are the ones with the power to actually make decisions that the others will follow, IMO.

This is very encouraging news. Half the world still thinks nothing can get done until the court’s ruling in late June-ish. But I don’t at all buy that. The players are the underdogs in that decision, and they know it. And if the owners wait for it, they’ll likely be sacrificing some preseason and real money lost. More importantly, they’ll be risking pissing off the fans further, which will slow merchandise sales and the overall rate of growth to the game.

Von. Doom. Pow!

by Rodney A on Jun 2, 2011 7:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I do not think

the owners ever wanted things to go this far. I still believe they would have averted the lockout had the NFLPA not decertified. They pulled their nuclear option and they need to get back to business soon or the results will be disastrous.

Brad James

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With Coach Zorro on our side, we will slice opponents to ribbons. Tim Tebow gives me hope and I already have faith and charity in my heart! I see a propitious future rife with Lombardis for our Broncos!

by the new Bradfather on Jun 2, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto Ditto

Owners have begged players numerous times over the last couple months to get back to the bargaining table where it can all be resolved. Players thus far have refused. May be a good sign.

Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense

NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.

by Boiler etc on Jun 3, 2011 1:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Rip

Apreciate the humor aspect of your posts. There is already enough drama for one pre season

by Baghdad on Jun 2, 2011 11:10 PM MDT reply actions  

Jerry Jones

I don’t think Jerry ever passes up a photo op. He’s an attention junkie. Just another reason to hate the cowboys

by Baghdad on Jun 2, 2011 11:14 PM MDT reply actions  

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