Denver Bronco Questions & Concerns (Pre-Free Agency)
As for every team, the 2011 Denver Broncos are going to have some questions going into camp. Depending on how this NFL Labor situation turns out, training camp really is not that far away. All 32 teams have needs to address and questions at certain positions. When you are 4-12, you are going to have more questions surrounding you than the Packers or Steelers. When you are about to be on your third head coach in four seasons (Mike Shanahan, 2008, Josh McDaniels, 2009-10, John Fox 2011-Incumbent), you know the team has a lot of problems.
The Broncos have been looking for someone to get them over "the hump." Mike Shanahan was relieved of his duties after several .500 seasons and Josh McDaniels was given the axe after not being able to get many wins for the Broncos and a spygate scandal put the final nail in the coffin. In fairness, Josh McDaniels did not have enough time I don't think to fix a defense that was very below average. It was no secret that he was an offensive guy, but questionable move after move such as trading Jay Cutler soon after McDaniels arrival, Mike Nolan leaving after one year, trading fan-favorite Peyton Hillis, trading a future first round pick for Alphonso Smith, need I go on.....?
So what are some of the questions and concerns that we are hoping that EFX (Elway, Fox, Xanders) ?
Might as well jump.. JUMP!
1) Quarterback - Most obvious question about this team and probably the most frustrating. Brady Quinn, in my honest opinion is not even a factor as much as Elway says he is. This is between Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow. For the Orton supporters (any out there) you may get your wish the longer that the lockout goes on. How bad of an option would Kyle Orton be, really? I think with an improved running game that Fox will bring, along with the same passing offense with Mike McCoy, Orton can only do better. The problem that I have with Orton is the red zone production. With what is looking like a pretty strong quarterback class for next year, I think this is the season to see what Tim Tebow can do. We should take what we can get for Orton which is hopefully a 2nd and 6th. If Tebow can find a way to win us games and show that he has improved on everything mechanically, I think he will be the guy for today and tomorrow. John Fox likes veteran quarterbacks but depending on the interest for Orton after the lockout, he could be shipped off and I could see someone like Jake Delhomme finding his way to Denver and battling with Brady Quinn for number two.
2) Right Tackle - There are only two candidates for this position, but if indeed Tim Tebow becomes the starter, this becomes more important than ever for the Broncos. The battle right now is between Orlando Franklin, one of the Broncos second round picks, and Ryan Harris the veteran right tackle for the Broncos the past few seasons. It's been said already for Elway that he doesn't see Ryan Harris returning, but with about one month until training camp, I don't think anyones fate is determined. Ryan Harris has been solid for the Broncos, and arguably a top ten right tackle in the league. The problem is he is that great when healthy. He has had foot injuries and has had trouble playing a complete season, only playing in 19 of the Broncos last 32 regular season games. Orlando Franklin is a typical John Fox lineman, being a nasty and aggressive player. I am happy to see some physicality for the Broncos. Rookie offensive line is not an easy job as we saw last year, we had at one point basically three rookies playing on the offensive line.Still, I think we can get away with one. We drafted Franklin for a reason and that is for him to step in for Ryan Harris. We need a healthy core of offensive lineman. Hopefully they stay healthy this year, as it takes time for a unit to gel.
3) Wide Receiver - Wide Receiver? Why would I be concerned about this? Just because of injuries. Eddie Royal is coming off hip surgery and is hopefully ready for the season. I am starting to wonder about Eddie Royal's role with this team. He did not develop into the slot machine that we hoped in the McDaniels offense. I think part of this goes on him being in the return game. I am hoping that we don't use him there anymore and Eric Decker or Cassius Vaugn can take this role. Demarius Thomas we hope to have back by mid season. While training this year he tore his Achilles and if he has to I would rather him sit the season out to get to 100%. We hope he can be back as soon as possible as he showed signs of potential last year, with his massive frame. He did well just couldn't avoid injury. He was known to be a project coming out of college anyways, so I think in year three is when we can really expect it then. Thankfully, I think we have a lot of depth at this position. Of course Brandon Lloyd, our pro bowler last year. Then we have Jabar Gaffney, who set a career high in receptions last year. Last year's third round draft pick Eric Decker is expected to have a bigger role this year. He was one our better special teams players last season but this year I hope to see him catching more passes. He caught a touchdown late last season from Tim Tebow and has solid hands. Two other guys who I think will battle for a roster spot Brit Davis and Matthew Willis. Both looked really good last preseason and I think will battle for that final receiver spot for us.
4) Defensive Tackle - Call me captain obvious but this has to be addressed. The defense will not be fixed in one season. That is the reason why we did not draft defensive tackles. We will bring some in as soon free agency opens up. There are several possibilities but we are going to need someone to work for a couple years for us. As I wrote in a previous article, I think Justin Bannan should be brought back. If not Bannan, Jamal Williams would serve for one spot. I do not want both but someone who knows the rest of the team and would be interested in us again for sure. In a division that has two of the three teams are the top two rushing teams in the league (Chiefs, Raiders) it will hurt us this year. That is where our new loaded linebacker core will come in handy and I think there will be some growing pains this year in the run defense.
5) Second Cornerback spot - Depending on how the Perrish Cox situation turns out, we don't know where we sit at this spot. Champ is still at the top of his game but with Andre Goodman struggling with health last year, I'm not sure how I feel about Syd'Quad Thompson starting there for us. Cox developed well last year, and I truly believe our secondary was not as bad as it looked. You give any quarterback enough time, they will find an open receiver. Our outside pressure will be phenomenal this year.
A Few Things That Do Not Concern Me
Running Game - Our offensive line went through some growing pains. Knowshon Moreno I think will have a break out year if he stays healthy. We know John Fox likes to have a two back system and all the talk is about DeAngelo Williams, but I think a lot of people forget about LenDale White. He looked good last year in preseason before his injury and if he comes to camp in shape, we might have our smash and dash. Along with Lance Ball, we could be adding someone via free agency. I don't know who, but my prediction is that Correl Buckhalter is not a Bronco by the time the season begins.
Special Teams - Matt Prater is with the top kickers in this league. He has a super strong leg making a 59 yarder last year at home. He is cash late in the game. As a returner, I hope to see some returning from Decker or Vaugh. No more Eddie Royal. If DeMarius Thomas comes back healthy, than I would be okay with him returning kicks. He was pretty successful last year.
What concerns you the most about the team this year?
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Orton for pro bowl DT
A starting caliber QB for a pro bowl DT…could work and it would make for a quantum jump for our D.
Personally, I think Quinn has the potential to surprise but maybe more for future trade material if Tebow works out.
I’m most interested in seeing how Watson comes out of winter weight training and his progression this year. He is perhaps THE key element in the offense this year.
Tebow’s instincts against the rush, his ability to fake hand offs, draw defenders in to cover the run all add up to a play maker.
Give one more solid DT in FA and a quality “banger” for a running back…maybe a fullback in FA and we could be 8-8 or better.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
I know we're coming off the worst season ever
But I still hope for more than a .500 record.
I mean we’re the Broncos! We have a new coach, had a great draft, added quite a bit to defense, are getting Doom back. Our offense should be more balanced and should increase our red zone effectiveness. IMO all of this adds up to a winning season not a break even season.
With all our changes from coaches, to schemes, to rookies, and near rookies the CBA hinders
We will have to “make hay while the sun shines” by getting into camp SOON, if there is to be any chance at 8-8. Plus, we will absolutely have to pick up the DT, RB, and improvement of Watson even if we do get back to camp now. However, my sense is we are within one draft this year’s experience from being back in the upper tier of teams.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Jun 21, 2011 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
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For whom is this Watson you speak of ? Are you referring to JD Walton ?
by johnnyurrotten on Jun 21, 2011 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, re Walton..thanks for the catch
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Jun 21, 2011 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree, CUfuus. We should be ecstatic with 8-8.
Too many variables which are not at all gelled yet.. Not to mention that quite a few pieces to the puzzle are still missing.
Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense
NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.
wishful thinking
Yeah that be great, if not for Josh McDummy, asetting the Broncos back three to five years!!!! We still need a pair of DT’s more than anything, a between the tackles RB, and oh yeah hope Tebow is ready!
by Wallace Clemons on Jun 21, 2011 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
wouldn't that be the shiz!
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 21, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Colby, nice write up.
Not sure what you’re referring to with Thomas though, I thought he tore his Achilles.
"as in football so in life"
Woops. Not sure why I put knee. Thats what happens when you write after you get home from work at midnight
You can tune a piano but you cant tune a fish
Nice job Colby. rec'd!
John Fox likes veteran quarterbacks but depending on the interest for Orton after the lockout, he could be shipped off and I could see someone like Jake Delhomme finding his way to Denver
This is my nightmare scenario. Delhomme had more competitive fire than Orton, but was still a below average QB. Man I am getting nervous over this next season. Will my eyes be tortured again or will they be analyzing potential?
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by Tim Lynch on Jun 21, 2011 1:09 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I agree in part…Delhomme is a mess of a QB. Give me Quinn over him EVERY day…and I really don’t like Quinn much at all.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Just a note
Quinn was shipped out and Delhomme was brought into replace him, and actually started before ended the season injured. Quinn lost his job to Derek Anderson, I really have no faith in Quinn.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Delhomme, Anderson and Quinn
are all train wrecks. Quinn is at least young, so will probably not get worse. Delhomme’s career went over a cliff and unless he grows wings he’s gonna get worse, not better. Anderson was an unmitigated disaster for Arizona, which makes his one productive season all the more baffling. Quinn appears to be the least bad of this threesome, and is at least probably better than, um, Simms.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Oh I'm not saying any of them are good
But I’d take either Anderson or Delhomme over Quinn. From a statistical or video review, Quinn struggles with accuracy, deep passes, reads and confidence. Quinn may have potential, and I’d take him over Simms, but at this point, he isn’t a good QB, heck he’s not even an average QB.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Jun 21, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
None of the three we are discussing are up to the level of average
All three suck…its like we’re discussing what flavor of dog poo we like the most.
:)
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Interesting simili.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jun 22, 2011 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Drink the kool aid on Delhomme
He is a great leader
He is a great mentor for Tebow as a guy who knows Fox’s offense.
He is an inexpensive backup.
So what if he threw a ton of interceptions as a starter the past couple years? He’s going to be a backup and won’t see the field unless absolutely necessary.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
. . . at which point he'll resume throwing interceptions
I’ll pass (because he can’t).
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by spock on Jun 21, 2011 6:39 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
The fact that he has thrown a lot of interceptions doesn’t change the fact that he’s a great leader, mentor, and he’ll be inexpensive.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
Delhomme wouldnt give us the best chance to win.
I would rather have a back up that can and will win games than have them be leaders when they are called up on. The one that needs to be the leader is the starter. The one who will hopefully be the one playing. Being a great mentor and leader means nothing if your not winning.
by broncs27 on Jun 22, 2011 7:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a backup QB available that could keep us competitive if our starter went down?
Most backup QB’s are below average players that are either mentors or young players with potential. Once thrown into starting positions, teams generally do horrible and the teams that succeed with backup players typically trade those backups for draft picks ala Matt Cassel.
With Tim being our young QB, we should aim for a veteran presence.
Is there someone else you think we should look at?
I’m not married to the Delhomme idea, I just think it’s a strong option and one that many people are overlooking.
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"They said I couldn't be a high school quarterback, they said I couldn't get a D1 scholarship. You're not good enough, you're not skilled enough. They said I couldn't win a heisman. They said I couldn't win a national championship. They said I wouldn't be a first round draft pick. They said I couldn't play in the league. Appreciate that." - Tim Tebow.
Tavarris Jackson. I like Zac's idea of Matt Moore as well.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Tavaris would be interesting
If only because he could run the same style of offense as Tebow…your defense couldn’t just call a soft zone blitz and wait for the back-up to make a mistake…Tavaris is still a threat to run.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Thats why I like him as well Sadaraine!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
People underestimate
how difficult it is to consistently gain yardage when you’re busy dodging tacklers in the backfield. I think Moreno will have a breakout season.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Jun 21, 2011 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
If he actually dodged them I would have more confidence
Yes there were times he got no blocking, but many times he was left one on one with a defender and he lost that battle an awful lot. There were other times he had good blocking an did not deliver. All in all, he was every bit as bad as the line. I hope he pans out, he was the 12th pick in the draft. But really, if you were scouting him off his NFL film, what has he shown that projects “breakout”. He is not fast, being a whisker faster than Hillis who is not fast by anyone’s definition. At this point people recite the mantra that an NFL running back does not need speed. Well, yea, he needs speed to get to the corner, something Moreno has not shown.
If you can’t get to the corner consistently, than you need to be a power back. Hillis can occasionally get to the corner because they react to his power running and get caught inside. No one is afraid of Moreno’s power running and is going to get caught inside. Yards after contact are important and Moreno has not displayed a great ability here either.
I was not high on him coming out of college (12th pick high) because he got caught a lot from behind and was not a consistent power runner. I would like those things in the 12th pick in the draft. He did show great lateral movement. He had great hands for catching the ball. The thing is, many of those holes he ran through in college were enormous compared to the creases in the NFL. Since so often in the NFL there are only creases, you need speed to stretch a defense to get around the corner, power to run through the creases, quickness and speed to exploit them, etc. Can Moreno make a living off of his lateral movement when creases are the norm in the NFL?
I hope so since the 12th pick in the draft is a huge investment. I just can’t think of a back with his skill set being a consistent success as a runner in the NFL. Third down back, yes, but runner I can’t think of one.
by Keyworthpunch on Jun 21, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I disagree with one thing
Hillis is very fast by most definitions. A 4.5 40 is fast. A 4.50 at 250 pounds is ridiculous.
Anyway I loved Moreno in college but running back at 12 is very high and he was no AP.
The biggest difference isn’t really the size of the holes its his lack of power. He doesn’t have that same low center of gravity I expected and although he breaks through arm tackles, they still hinder him to a high degree. He was more physical in college but his small build I think limits him in the pro’s. Speed is a concern but its top end speed that he lacks. He has tremendous burst, vision and quickness. Honestly right now he projects to be a Thomas Jones type back with his skills. Thats not bad, but not worth a top 12 pick. Moreno is still young though and he may develop better than that.
There are many Orton fans out here!
Kyle Orton is probably already traded. I see virtually no chance that he will play for the Broncos in 2011. Too big of a salary and the team is pregnant with Tebow even though Elway isn’t a believer imo.
I thought the Vikings would have been a great fit for Orton until the draft. Looks like the Fins, Cardinals, or Seahawks now. Orton is as good as gone, probably for a 2 or 3 and a player.
“The closer Kyle Orton gets to the goal line, the better he gets.” – John Madden 2008 Bears vs Eagles.
Just maybe, the fact that we had no tight end, running game, or OL might have had something to do with the teams struggles in the red zone ya think!. I never remember Orton having a red zone problem at Purdue or in Chicago.
One of the first things I noticed about McD’s offense was the poor play design in the red zone. Ron Turner looked like a genius in comparison. Then agtain, the Bears had Olsen/Clark, Forte, and a OL that could run block.
I'm sorry, did you just say the Broncos were "pregnant" with Tebow?
Lol. What does that mean?
Also, Madden 2008 is probably not the greatest source for accurate QB analysis in 2010… or perhaps even ever.
One thing to keep in mind is that if Orton starts, Tebow will undoubtedly be number 2 on the depth chart to allow for his scrambling plays and on the few times Tebow had the ball in the red zone the guy was lights out.
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
Lol BroncoPH
The way I used pregnant…We invested very valuable draft picks, so the team has to let it play out in 2011. Kind of a business way of refering to making a commitment and no turning back.
By Madden, I was referring to a quote by the ex-coach/MNF announcer during a SNF game. NOT THE GAME SILLY!
Orton is gone imo, and Tebow will be the main act in 2011. Everyone knows that Elway has his eyes on Luck. He has find out for sure about Tebow.
I actually agree with the your point that is was McD's offense that was designed terribly for the redzone.
The running game didn’t help but you always got the feeling that those fancy routes were gonna get squeezed out in the close quarters of the red zone.
Elway has been quoted several times supporting Tebow. Does it really need to be posted again?
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
Yes Elway states that publicly, because he has no choice.
I’m talking about what Elway truely believes about Tebow’s ability and potential. That’s jusy my interpretation of the situation. In Elway, you have one of the best QBs ever to play the game. He knows what he’s looking for in our next franchise QB. Tebow is very rough around the edges and has many doubters. Andrew Luck on the other hand….
… will cost the Broncos the worst season in our franchise history. We’d have to play to lose. You willing to bet the farm on Luck? You think he’s worth the hype?
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
Luck is truly over rated....I would not bet on him or Barkley, and I am a PAC 10 and USC fan....seen them both play plenty and although talented they are not cant miss prospects.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I agree Boydy. Luck may be very good, but what we are talking about here is throwing away an entire season in order to be in a position to draft Andrew Luck, a prospect that still has one more entire college football season to either match or beat a fantastic performance last year with a new head coach.
More specifically, I believe that throwing an entire NFL season away to catch a college prospect makes that prospect, by definition, overrated.
Rocko, you seem to think Elway is just putting up a front when it comes to Tebow… which could be true. I don’t know, I don’t know the guy at all. BUT, if this were the case the Broncos did just an awful job of using this draft to prepare for next year’s draft. To me, that is far more telling than any reading between the lines. When giving the opportunity to set the table for Luck in future year’s, instead we made our team better for next year.
I like Fox’s attitude. The Broncos will be better next year.
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
I find it interesting that every other 1st round QB is given the luxury of having at least 2 seasons to develop as a starter, but Tebow is on a one and done scenario. Seems really fair and smart.....just some knuckleheads out there!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I believe enough in Tebow and our new team that we won't be in a position to easily draft Luck
Tebow may not lead us to the playoffs but I am willing to bet that, with our improved defense, we’ll be able to be a better team than we were last year.
It was ease of schedule that won us the #2 pick. We’ll be better than we were last season and in no position to draft Luck unless we bet the farm and sold the entire draft (something I do not see happening).
GB2
Tulogit to quit.
I agree. I just have to laugh at the double standards prevalent in the media and here. Tebow is expected to be a savior after 3 games, and if he does not bring it this season than he sucks and we need Luck. Ridiculous way to be developing talent.
I dont think (at least I hope) that Fox and Elway see it that way, but lots of us arm chair experts do, which to me makes NO sense!
Thanks PH!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I think alot of it comes down to the patience of the fans. I don’t know how much owners or head coaches actually listen to the fan base but im sure there’s some influence from the fans. When you have a situation like green bay had and have a Qb like Favre and a “trainee” if you will like Rosters, they have time to groom because of the solidity of the qb situation.
Now if you take a situation like Atlanta or Baltimore, they didn’t have a good Qb so tue Rookies were thrown to the wolves. Let’s say The Broncos went 10-5 last year with orton under center. Would the fans be calling for Tebow? I doubt it. Tue people calling for Luck right now are Tebow Haters and just want it over with. Tebow should be given the time that was given to Rosters or Eli Manning. But the Broncos just aren’t sitting in that position right now.
This reply is so humbled I appologized for it. I took me 30 to type it up on my phone and having to put my phone down every 30 to clear a train. I actually can’t remember what my whole point was. So again I appologize.
by broncs27 on Jun 23, 2011 11:18 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Everyone is trying to win this year!
Elway invited every 1st round QB in the 2011 draft in for a private workout, prior to the draft. John also went to Stanford to visit with Luck before he declared that he would stay in school another year. Elway also says things lie “Tebow has a long way to go” when he speaks about Tim’s skill level as a QB.
Elway’s job is to turn the Broncos into a champion. He doesn’t have an unlimited amount of time to accomplish this. If he is going to make a switch at QB, the very latest he can do it is at the end of the 2011 in my opinion. So…Give TT 2011 and then make a decision.
Totally disagree with how you feel about Luck. Barkley I think might bust as well.
Im a huge Pac-10 guy and Luck is the best QB prospect I have seen in my lifetime. He is as close as we have seen to “can’t bust”. Take it to the bank with this guy.
Barkley reminds me a lot of Clausen.
How about the Pac-10 QB play last year? WoW.
Andrew Luck, Jake Locker, Nick Foles, Matt Barkley. Those are 4 of the best QB’s in college football last year. Stevan Threet and Kevin Riley are two other QB’s that played very well at times (especially Threet, his play against ranked Wisconsin was amazing).
by ShyandObese on Jun 22, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats cool...I dont think ANY player is cant miss...
Luck played in a VERY friendly QB system….had miles of time. He is smart and athletic but has only average to above average arm strength and was not forced to make any dynamic or pro style reads. I think he will be a good player, as I think Barkley can, but I think there is a lot of unfounded hype about both of them.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Yes I believe Luck will be a great one!
What counts obviously is that Elway thinks very highly of him. If the team plays like they did in 2010(worst season in franchise history and at times seemed like we were playing to lose) then we’ll have a shot. If say the Panthers finish dead last again and they are happy with Newton, then Elway can make an offer for the no. 1 overall. He’ll have to give away the farm. If the Bills finish last, then forget about a trade unless Luck pulls an Elway and flat out states that he wont play for a team like the Bills.
We wont be getting Luck Rocko....I know you dislike Tebow immensely...not sure why...but all MOST of us want is that he is given a chance...a FAIR chance...not a one and done scenario that most on here prescribe to!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I'm a suppOrton, but I don't hate Tebow
I just don’t think as highly of him as you do. My opinion of him probably is in line with how most GMs had him rated in the draft…high 2nd – low 3rd round. So McD overpaid imo by a large amount.
I believe that Kyle will be traded and that Tebow will be given the 2011 season to prove himself. Elway will expect the team to win similar to what Sanchez, Ryan, and Flaco did in their rookie seasons. If the team struggles like they did last year, then I expect Elway to bring in his own guy to play QB.
Remember, that Elway doesn’t have an unlimited amount of time to turn it around.
Actually, he does have a window of 2-3 seasons to turn it around, and he supports Tebow a lot....so I dont think we need to make a decision on Tebow or the job Elway is doing by seasons end.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I agree that Elway probably has 2 to 3 years
so if he only has one or two years after the 2011 season and he’s not convinced Tebow is the guy either right now or after the upcoming season…Elway’s window is very small for finding his franchise QB and winning with him.
So basically without any evidence supporting your view, you are claiming to read Elway's mind?
Elway was a big Tebow fan BEFORE he took the front office job. What was his “Have to” Motivation then? Sorry but you have nothing to base his on other than your own bias.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
My belief is based on what Elway has said or done
Prior to the draft…Elway held private tryouts for all of the top college QB propsects.
During interviews, Elway has stated on more that one occassion that “Tim has a long way to go before becomimg a top QB in the NFL”.
Do you want a map?
No, I want smart football commentary not conjecture.
“I think where we are as an organization, we’re going to go with Tim” – John Elway
“Let’s put it this way, I’m his biggest fan,” Elway said. "He’s one of those guys who — if he comes out and is the player we hope he can be — then we’re in pretty darn good shape. He’s a great ambassador for us as a team. He realizes, and I’ve told him: The bottom line is, ‘You can do all those things and make all those plays that a lot of guys can’t do, and that’s something you have that they don’t — but you have to realize for us to be champions, you have to be able to win it from the pocket and make all those throws from the pocket.’ "
That is what Elway has said. As far as looking at QB’s in the draft, EVERY TEAM looks at the QB’s coming out. We brought in several players we had no interest in. It played up trade rumors and created smoke screens. All teams do it. The draft is a poker game.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
I can do that too Heeler
John Elway: Kyle Orton, not Tim Tebow, is Denver’s starting quarterback
To post the same thing over and over again doesn’t prove your point. It only makes you trollish.
No, I want smart football commentary not conjecture.
Stop posting conjecture and the commentary will be smarter.
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by KaptainKirk on Jun 22, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
KK, Rocko has been posting from the other side too....I think its all good...but if you call Heeler out then call out Rocko and Hoop too.....personally, I have no problems with either side.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Yeah, once the comments get to 100+
it’s a dead issue.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk
by KaptainKirk on Jun 23, 2011 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I am only posting Elway's most recent comments.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
Sorry my cpu glitched.
We can find several people who supported McD a year ago who don’t now. I am one of them. But to claim I feel that way now when more recent quotes show otherwise is, well…a lie. It is spin. You posted something from Feb, I posted a quote from May.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
big Deal. The point is
The coaching staff hasn’t even evaluated one player. There is no depth chart. You (and everyone else) can spin it how they want, but it doesn’t mean a thing.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
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That includes you my friend.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
I have said this before
Heeler: Your quote is from a press conference and the question was regarding all the QB’s the Broncos were looking at.
KK’s quote is from a press conference and the question was regarding who the starting QB will be.
While Elway may in fact come to think Tebow is the better QB, Fox is the one you want to like him. It is not in Elway’s job description to determine the teams depth chart or starting line up.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
This is probably the most important thing Elway has said
Although running an NFL team is uncommon for a former Hall of Fame quarterback with two Super Bowl rings, Elway believes he offers the Broncos a unique perspective on how to build a team from his 16 years as the greatest player in Broncos history.
He intends to be directly involved with the players, particularly Tebow and the other quarterbacks.
“I’m not going to get in the way of the coaches,” he said. “I’m not going to be intrusive. But I believe I have the knowledge to help them, which I want to do.”
Ed Werder covers the NFL for ESPN.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Jun 23, 2011 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions
Here is the full quote
“Those guys, obviously, there’s holes in every young guy coming out,” he said. “There’s not an Andrew Luck, a [Matthew] Stafford, a [Sam] Bradford. Those guys are all very good quarterbacks in my mind, but there are holes in every one of them — as there were in Tebow. I think where we are as an organization, we’re going to go with Tim.”
When you don’t cherry pick the answer. It sounds completely different. Elway WAS NOT saying they were going with Tebow as the starter. He was saying that they were going with Tebow instead of drafting another player at his position.
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Jun 23, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
You are also changing the subject. We were discussing how Elway feels about Tebow.
And you are correct that Elway does not determine the depth chart.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
I thought the "pregnant with Tebow" comment was hysterical!
Rocket, I think we hope there are many Orton fans out there. Not that the talking heads mean a hill of beans, but when referring to QB changes, none of them ever even mention Orton’s name.. Not sure why…..maybe the Kolb and Palmer (et al )show overshadows his name.
Hopefully Elway won’t expect Tebow to be the cookie cutter NFL QB. because that is just not his style. And as long as he helps this team why should we care how pretty or traditionally it is done? However, without another power back, that job will fall on TT’s shoulders and that is just not smart to use him as the “clean up” guy so often.
Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense
NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.
The Rocket! I like that!
Don’t know about the talking heads, but Orton comes up frequently in the written media. I believe he’s the top rated tradeable QB by many. Kolb isn’t that much younger and has no experience. So he hasn’t proven that he can do it, and the Eagles reportedly want a no. 1? Palmer has many issues. I don’t think ownership in Cincy will play ball either and trade him. Is Palmer any better than Kyle Orton? Imo, no.
Colby...thanks for the article and please dont take this wrong but I have had my fill on a few things your article brings up..
- 1 – “FOX FAVORS VETERAN QB’S”: This is really know evidence of this, and one that Fox has dispelled himself. Just because he selects a veteran over a rookie has nothing to do with a preference, but to do with who is playing better. Tebow plays better than Orton he will start or vice versa. This is one of the biggest misconceptions there, and to quote it as fact in your article is not correct.
- - “A LEFT HANDED QB NEEDS A RIGHT TACKLE FOR PROTECTION”. This is not true either. Its about the protection they put along the line, not what hand the QB throws with. If Tebow starts with his added mobility than it would lead me to believe that Franklin will start there, not less chance. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but its another misconception that kills me that I see a lot of.
- - “Demaryius Thomas wont be back to mid season.” : Both Fox and Thomas have been on record as saying he should be back in week 3 or 4 going by latest reports. Thats not week 8 or 9 like this article is saying. I would rather have Royal returning and Decker in the slot, but hey, thats just me.
Sorry man, not getting after you, but its just some of the things that are killing me.
By the way, I agree with your concerns.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I'm pretty sure the Week 8 projection is from a normal scenario
Week 3 or 4 would be the ideal. Really they should take plenty of time with DT and make sure he is 120% this time so he can begin his career without setbacks. One more setback and I will start calling him a bust. 1st round picks need to be not only playing, but productive. especially in their 2nd year. I really do hope he gets well all the way before getting on the field again. That way he can be the beast he should be
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My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
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Thanks KK....I dont think he is anywhere near a bust...he schooled Revis pretty good and thats just a slither of the kids potential.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
agreed kk
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 21, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions
nice post Colby and very thought provoking
The concerns for me are defensive tackle , second cornerback and running back. Number one defensive tackle . free agent Barry Coefield ,and a space eater maybe Allen Branch . Number two second cornerback I’d like Brandon Carr of the chiefs he is a very good player and if you can weaken your division rival all the better , Erick wright of the browns may just need a change in scenery . Number three running back Knowshon Moreno has not been able to stay healthy , I think the price will be to high for DeAngelo Williams but we need a stop gap for this year and Ricky Williams still has a bit left in the tank and could fit the bill for this season then address the position in the 2012 draft . However I would prefer Michael Bush of the Raiders but he probably will be to pricey also. I think Kyle Orton will be traded and Fox may prefer Matt Moore over Jake Delhomme . I would like to see what Syd’Quad Thompson can do as a kick returner I really didn’t like DeMarius Thomas returning kicks last year .
I liked Vaugn returning kicks last year most
Sure Eddie needs to stop returning kicks and punts. He will be a better receiver for that – and we can find cheaper returners than him
1st good post i've read here in ahile. rec'd
Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. DA
Awe shucks man...I had no idea you missed me so much, Whid... ;)
I know them be fightin’ words, but I just couldn’t help myself. lol
As far as I’m concerned there is nothing to write about until we know what the f**k to write about…but I am sure most here get it. I’m not in this to write for the sake of writing and neither is anyone who gets front page access. I’m just glad some of them find things that interest them enough to write about…cause I sure as shit haven’t. I just sit here and wait…maybe do a Horse Tracks or two about how someone was stabbed, tweeted about the color of their poo, got out of jail, sold their home, taught poor slum children how to beg for money, or whatever the hell is going that doesn’t interest me or most of you. :)
God I need a CBA signed……..
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The artist formerly known as ZAPPA
I think
a deal is imminent. Then there will be an influx of activity. I’d say before July is up.
Miller Time!
Yep, looks like the amount of posts here has dropped considerably......I dont give 2 craps about any of this until CBA is signed!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Defensive tackle.
We didn’t address it and I believe it is going to be a huge problem going forward. We got stronger on the outside, but teams should still be able to run it up the gut with ease on us. And I’m going to have to disagree on DT returning kicks. There are other guys that have less value that should be doing those jobs. DT should be allowed to get healthy so he can return to the offense. I’d really like to see him come alive. I saw him when he played at Georgia Tech, the kid has skills. He can be an electrifying player when used properly.
Miller Time!
Im not worryed about most of those positions
what Im worried about is the Defensive Tackle position we need some big boys in that middle D line baby and we dont really got one
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GO BRONCOS
Why no Royal returning?
I’ve only seen about 8 or so Broncos games and one was the Monday night game at SD where he returned a kickoff and a punt for TDs. So I figure he is a gun returner.
With a better run game and more two back/TE looks, there won’t be as much for Royal to do in the offence so I want him to be doing a lot of returning – we know what he can do there and it is very good.
Julian from Australia
I want him as a reciever
when he returns he has to miss plays on offense. however we dont have to wory about returnign with the new rules anyways
You can tune a piano but you cant tune a fish
ahh finally some real football talk
Great post which makes for some interesting discussions. I for one think Orton is already traded, and we all know Quinn couldn’t compete for a qb spot in the special olympics.
I also agree our running game will be solid this year I’m just not sure it will be Moreno having the breakout year. I’m sure Foxy will hunt down some RB’s in free agency.
Like others, I feel our biggest need is at the DT position. If we don’t find some real fatty’s in FA our defense will get shredded all season.
Again, good post and I’m looking forward to the end of this damn lockout.
"Vegetarians are cool. All I eat are vegetarians - except for the occasional mountain lion steak "
Ted Nugent
I'm worried about the whole D-line (as always)
Ayers is the only guy I have confidence in. Doom might be good but a realist approach would tell you he would get much less sacks then he did last year. More importantly he is undersized, and can be a liability in the run game as we have seen before. I don’t think I need to stress how important good run defense is in our league.
Behind Doom we will have small, fast, inexperienced Linebackers. Most likely DJ, Mays, and Miller. How this isn’t a concern is beyond me. Some are saying Irving will start over Mays (doubt) which will only add to the inexperience.
by ShyandObese on Jun 22, 2011 1:52 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Doom put up great sack numbers in the 4-3 as well.
"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"
And expect similiar numbers from him again but realistically, that 17 sack season should not be expected again
He is coming off an injury as well. I could see an 10 sack season or something, and that would be great.
by ShyandObese on Jun 22, 2011 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Doom . . . get much less sacks then he did last year
You mean 2009, of course. It’ll be difficult to match the 17 he got that year, but he will have the advantage, if Miller is effective, of teams not being able to concentrate solely on him. However I, too, worry about his run defense. That’s one reason I was looking forward to his aborted 2010 campaign. I wanted to see if he had made progress defending the run. I still do. But I’m not worried about our linebacking. Fox is a linebackers-centric coach who prefers small, fast linebackers. Miller, despite his inexperience, will almost certainly be an upgrade, and the other two positions will likely be manned by experienced players. It wouldn’t surprise me to see more of Woodyard, because the guy just makes plays and Fox is less likely than McDaniels to be put off by his lack of size. The way we drafted suggests Fox saw more problems in the back seven than the front four. Most tackles are made past the line of scrimmage, but with a more effective back seven it wouldn’t be 10, 20, or 40 yards down the field.
I don’t think our talent level is as low, or that we’re as far from playoff contention, as the talking heads suggest. Although we all recognize the importance of teamwork we still underestimate its contribution to team success. When a team is good we’re more likely to think its individual players are good (that’s when they get recognized), and when it’s bad we can’t help thinking it must be because it has bad players. In my opinion the 2010 Broncos defense suffered more from a lack of cohesion (and morale) than a lack of talent (although upgrades are always welcome).
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
You are right spock
The quality of the supporting cast makes ALL the difference for the key personnel to stand out.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
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More specifically
quite beyond the quality of the supporting cast, good defenses tend to be more than the sum of their parts, and bad defenses less, and cohesiveness or lack of same — teamwork! — is the reason. If Fox repeats his Carolina feat and takes the defense from worst to, well, top 10, it won’t be solely or even mostly because the players on the field are individually more skilled but because they’re meshing more effectively.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
We lacked team speed more than talent. Espicially defensively.
McD went for bigger guys and now Fox is going for smaller guys.
As for LB’s, they are a great concern because out of the 3 starters, 2 are going to be inexperienced. For all we know Mays can really step up and be the man in the middle, however, realistically he will probably have some difficulties and we know for certain Miller will make some rookie mistakes. That leaves DJ as the only LB that is a “sure bet” if you will. This defense will needs to grow up and grow up fast.
And that lack of speed
which I very much agree with, is being addressed not only by drafting small, fast, linebackers but also by making big, slow backers (Haggan) into smaller, quicker linemen. He might too small for the position even for Fox, but I’d like to see Woodyard tried at middle linebacker. Wherever or however he’s used, this might be a breakout year for him because he’s a much better fit with Fox than he was with McDaniels. Despite his size McDaniels couldn’t keep him off the field. Fox won’t want to.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Jerome Bettis
I’m a broken record. I believe if we would have had a big,ugly, run between the tackles fat bastard running back like Jerome bettis the last few years we would have won alot of football games. No more dancing with the stars types PLEASE. Even with our awful defense we would have done ok
Jerome Bettis is a HOFer. Those don't come along every year.
The ignorant redneck formerly known as kentuckybronco.
by Troy Hufford on Jun 22, 2011 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions
agree with you Troy
fat bastard running back like Jerome bettis
… Don’t come around very often. Every team in the league would take Jerome Bettis.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
I hate your Decker to the PR idea so much.
I agree that Royal’s WR play has been questionable at best since we traded Cutler and fired Shanny. He hasn’t become the WR we hoped he would and it’s looking less and less likely that he will.
But I see Decker as a possible #2 WR for the Broncos as soon as this season and certainly next season. Why put Decker in harms way? I would rather we give Decker Royals reps at WR and let Eddie return kicks until his contract expires and he leaves in FA.
The Lockout bores me.
I think we could get value trading Royal
and I think that value would be greater than his value to us as a returner. Particularly I believe that Shanahan would give a pile for him. After all, Shanny definitely knows how to use Royal effectively.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
They already have a very similiar player in Anthony Armstrong
Highly doubt they’d go after royal.
by ShyandObese on Jun 22, 2011 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
You may be right...
And Armstrong was productive. But you never know with Shany.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, Colby. Great article.
I am still shocked, SHOCKED that EFX did not pick up a DT and some type of running back in this draft, (which was filled with good D linemen). Those were such glaring holes—at least to us fans—-that most had a lot of us scratching our heads at the logic of EFX. Which, by the way, I think Xanders is as mealy mouthed as last year, has only a title so he can negotiate salaries. IMO, this is an Elway run club, period. Sorry about getting off topic there..
Fact: Less Governemnt = Common Sense
NFLPA should be disallowed. Period.
Great Article!
The only thing was when I kinda did a face palm when you started talking about who should return kicks. Demarius Thomas? Really?!? How many ways can I tell you how much I disagree with this?
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
Demaryius...D-E-M-A-R-Y-I-U-S......Demaryius.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
LOL
Really? Do I have to be able to spell their names correctly?
Man, guess it’ll be that guy on the end, or, the dude that catches that we just drafted.l……. :D
Opinions are like......, Well anyway, this is mine.
by Sean in Pa. on Jun 22, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
LMAO!
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry guys...just busting your chops......I am not the best wordsmith either, just think we need to spell our players names correctly is all....it was more tongue in cheek than anything!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
You caught me...
I am a lazy typer and copied and pasted the name right out of the article.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
All good homie...just busting your balls...I think we all need a CBA signed and some real football news!
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
I'm for giving Cassius (sp?) Vaughn a chance at returns...The kid can smoke'm on the field...
by bfree2bronc on Jun 23, 2011 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
100% agree....he should be our return guy if we hold onto Royal and play him in the slot, although I think Decker has MAD upside as a slot this year.
FIRE DE MAURICE SMITH...he can go suck dog balls for all I care!
NFLPA??? National Fools and Lame Pricks Association!
ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT WE HAVE IN TEBOW? Watching Kyle orton is like watching re-runs of the Brady Bunch...you always know whats going to happen and makes you feel sick at the end!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
no worries
I didn’t take it personally.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
oops
meant as a reply to boydy
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Many moves still have to be made.
Some I feel have already been made, but can’t be completed until a new CBA is in place.
A little nasty on defense would be nice.
That is so true Digger
I’ts like staring at a Christmas present that has been under the tree for way to long and not being able to open it. I suppose you could say we are just shaking the box right now.
"I get sick when I hear athletes say I’m not a role model" "Yes you are. You’re just not a very good one." -Tim Tebow
by MTBroncosFan on Jun 22, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
The way this off-season has gone it will move at light speed when the CBA is done...
My question is? Can the owners lift the Lockout before the deal is completely made? Say they both come to an agree before the agreement is official and then lift the Lockout. Is that possible so the coaches can get to planning with the players and coaching them?
Good question!
Although it would be nice, it’s kinda like starting to move your things into a house before you close the deal…..risky.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
That's kinda funny because it happened to me...
A couple flew out to Colorado to see my house and they fell in love with it and wanted the furniture and everything! That was hilarious. I was driving truck at the time and my house setters said the woman even pooped her pants! Unbelievable…

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