Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks - 7/17/11

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 9:45 AM MDT in Horse Tracks

Broncos planning to start training camp July 28 if new CBA is ratified this week - The Denver Post
Whistle twirling is dead. Bring on Camp Fox. Reports point to NFL owners and players signing off Thursday on a new collective bargaining agreement.

Krieger: Xanders gets chance to take stance - The Denver Post
When Pat Bowlens right-hand man dropped in on Brian Xanders at his Dove Valley office one day last December, the Broncos were in disarray.

Tebow is no Elway (on golf course) | All Things Broncos
The second of the three-round American Century Championship celebrity golf tournament was completed today in Lake Tahoe. John Elway, the 51 year-old former franchise quarterback of the Broncos and now the team’s football front-office boss, is in 13th place with 34 points in the Stableford scoring system. (Eagle: 6 points, birdie: 3 points, par, 1 pt; bogey, 0 points; double-bogey, 2 points).

AP source: Judge expected in NY for NFL talks - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
A person familiar with the NFL labor negotiations says talks will continue Monday in New York instead of Minneapolis.

Top 10 signs you are ready for the NFL lockout to end - It's All Over, Fat Man!
Drew Brees says the lockout will be over soon. Since you can always trust a guy from New Orleans to give you a calm and reasonable assessment of any situation, I'd say Brees is on to something. We're about to get NFL football again.

NFL tight end excited to bring camp to Loveland | The Coloradoan
NFL tight end Daniel Graham hasn’t spent much time in Loveland since his high school days when his Thomas Jefferson High School team would occasionally field a game against a Loveland team, but on Saturday, Graham was sure happy to return to the city.

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The story about Xanders is incredibly good. It gives so much incite into why he was kept on the staff and how valuable he might actually be to our organization moving forward. If you read only one of these articles today – read that one.

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 10:06 AM MDT reply actions

That one worries me greatly. It sounds like he and McD were working together much more closely in 2009 than 2010.

IMO, the 2009 draft was an absolute horror show, but the 2010 draft wasn’t half bad. McD ran the 2010 draft, but sounds like Xanders was much more involved in 2009.

While the 2011 draft seemed much more like 2010 than 2009, I still have to wonder.

What I will also say is that our 2009 crop of UFAs was quite excellent, while our 2010 class was a disaster.

I’m not sure what to draw from any of this, but I’m still far from sold on Brian Xanders.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions

I draw that I will reexamine Xanders about 12-24 months from now. lol

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions

make it 12. Bowlen doesn’t have forever.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions

It's sweet and sour

Solid point and I agree with your take on the early days. Sounds like X probably had more say in our bad draft than in our good one.

On the sweeter side, as I’ve said before, I get the impression that Xanders wanted Clay Mathews over Robert Ayers. They may have been all buddy, buddy (X and McD) up until draft day, or close to it, and then the actual decisions were made by McDaniels all the sudden. I really believe that if Xanders couldn’t prove – not just say so, but actually show evidence – that he wanted to make different decisions, then I think he would have been canned.

My biggest question about Xanders is on the veteran FAs. Is he the one with the bright idea to give 38 year old Brian Dawkins that huge “performance based” escalator, making his 2011 salary $6M now, instead of the original $2.4M?? Is he the one that wanted to bring in Jarvis Green on a big contract only to ditch him before TC? And what about the $9M or so per year to J-Wall and Bannan? Andra Davis? MIstake!

I agree, our 2010 draft is much better than our 2009 draft. But I also think our 2011 draft is my favorite draft. And yes, I do have the ability to look objectively and not just fall in love with potential :)

I guess I’m saying I still don’t know what to make of Xanders. But he’s got nowhere to hide now.

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 17, 2011 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions

As the title of the article declares,

“Xanders gets chance to take stance”….nuff said.

by idahobronc on Jul 17, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions

Good points

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions

Thanks!

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 17, 2011 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions

agreed Tim, Xanders is growing on me...

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by a16416 on Jul 17, 2011 10:08 AM MDT reply actions

thanks tim.

nice krieger piece on xanders. after reading it, my first thought was ‘what took so long for an article like this to appear?’ well, better late than never.

by oxmouth on Jul 17, 2011 10:09 AM MDT reply actions

Yeah, I made the mistake of reading one of the DP comments and some asshat complimented Elway on naming the next scapegoat if the Broncos continue to falter. I can’t believe Bronco fans have fallen into such a Raider-like mentality.

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 10:14 AM MDT reply actions

I left a comment

“that was the best article of yours I have read. Keep up these efforts.”

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
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by KaptainKirk on Jul 17, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs

Probably better off emailing him directly...

I am pretty sure they don’t read anything from the comments area. ;-) I know I wouldn’t…

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions

Well

maybe it will be a positive influence on at least one commenter.
I know, “Yeah right.”

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk

by KaptainKirk on Jul 17, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions

Pork Chop Williamson used to comment in the comment section of his articles.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions

That's because he hates himself.

The Orton/Tebow Debate Has Been Settled

by Tim Lynch on Jul 17, 2011 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions

I can’t tell if the DP commenters are idiots or trolls. or both

by mikebirty on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions

All I can tell you is that many of them don’t know football from checkers. Very few educated football fans over there.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions

McGeorge, you were one of the posters when you were there I enjoyed.

It was your recomendation to this site that helped me find this site. Thank you.

"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"

by Heeler on Jul 17, 2011 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions

That's how I found the site, too

Not McGeorge, but somebody random just said like hey, you seem like you’d like this other site…

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 17, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions

No problem buddy. I hardly visit the DP anymore. The writing is suspect and the posters are morons.

I’m dead serious when I say 9 out of 10 of them would not know the difference between a CB vs Safety blitz.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions

Isn't that when you rush a middle linebacker?

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 17, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions

The typical DP response would be…

“No you McIdiot, it’s when you stunt the OLB with the LG”

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 17, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions

2shay

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 17, 2011 6:54 PM MDT up reply actions

Yea McG and Bronco Dano are the only ones I remember from back then. Oh and a Miller something. Millertime?

by broncs27 on Jul 17, 2011 7:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions

I really wish Bronco Dano and Jay sixshooter came to MHR. Same with the guy named Millertime. There were good posters.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 18, 2011 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions

Typical post on DP.

“McDaniels is Satan’s butthole, Peyton Hillis is the God of all he surveys, Tebow is a Gay Nazi who eats small children as buttery snacks in the offseason.”

I tried for a long time to comment there but there is no hope. Until I found Mile High Report I thought this was what all of Bronco Country had turned into since I moved out of the area. It was an embarrasment of biblical porportions to see what the fan base had become. It was Philly West and I was not sure if it wasn’t worse than Philly. I am so glad there are true fans through thick and thin left. You just won’t find them at the Denver Post comment section.

"The problem with quotes in internet signatures is 90% of them are made up -Ghandi"

by Heeler on Jul 17, 2011 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions

Post speaks to Elway every bit as much as to Xanders

A 14 hour interview is perhaps the MOST intense I’ve encountered. Couple this with the manner the draft was delivered and this writer comes away with a renewed respect for the whole Bronco organization. There is a strong sense of building an exceptionally solid base of management and that the pieces are already falling in to place to build the 3 year master plan Elway has espoused. Can’t wait to see it unfold!

"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."

by BroncoCUbuffs on Jul 17, 2011 10:44 AM MDT reply actions

Here here

I have to agree with that.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk

by KaptainKirk on Jul 17, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions