Some would say that Emily Dickinson wrote it best with "The past is not a package one can lay away" or some will say that Dodinsky was on the right track by writing "Look not at the days gone by with a forlorn heart. They were simply the dots we can now connect with our present, to help us draw the outline of a beautiful tomorrow. Is Tim Tebow Josh McDaniels beautiful and positive contribution to the Broncos organization? That is TBD and make no mistake, Tim Tebow will have to win a lot more games then he loses and better have a very long and successful career with the Denver Broncos to justify drafting him in the first round and giving up picks in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds to do so. Finally some might say that Nathaniel Hawthorne was quite right by saying "The Past lies upon the Present like a giant's dead body".
Just a heads up. After the hop is a cleaver fan poll and a ridiculously long, poorly written waste of time rant about the Broncos and Josh McDaniels in reply to Royal's post about how we should quietly put the past "specifically the Josh McDaniels era" behind us and how it would also be nice if we could put it to bed with a positive spin.
(think Arsenio Hall's whiney voice in Harlem Nights) Why Royal, Why!? oh why did you do this Royal, Why?!
I was on the right track to keeping quiet about the horrible Josh McDaniels era and doing so well thanks to time, medication and meditation but you and your very little group of "big believers" have to keep bringing up how great Josh McDaniels was or could have been. How he cleansed the Broncos of malcontent, mediocre offensive players and had some great master plan for our team. That is the BS that has to cease. Josh McDaniels spitefully ran all of those players out of town and wasted a great opportunity to coach the best franchise in the world back to dominance.
Don't be so arrogant as to assume that you and your very little group of "big believers" get to say when enough is enough in regards to the Josh McDaniels debacle. Which by the way was not "a very long time ago", Red Miller was a very long time ago..... kind of. As Bronco fans our only contribution to this non-sense is to look to the past, present, future and give our two cents both positive and negative. That is what we do do! Remember how much joy it brought us this off season to rail on Mike Shannahan for all of the mistakes he made in past drafts and with the defense? You didn't hear about folks getting hurt feelings because of it. Josh McDaniels is not above similar criticism and deserves everything he gets. As a third generation Broncos fanatic I have earned the right to be critical of Pat Bowlen, Josh McDaniels and any other person that disrespects the Broncos Organization, disrespects it's players and disrespects it's fans. They come and go, true fans do not! Just like I will never forgive Dan Reeves for not properly supporting John Elway or Mike Shannahan for not bringing in a top notch DC and allowing him to build a solid defense to balance the team.
Don't be so arrogant as to question my allegiance or any fans allegiance to the Denver Broncos for pointing out the obvious mistake that Pat Bowlen made by hiring Josh McDaniels or for pointing out the many obvious mistakes that Josh McDaniels made while he was the HC/GM of our favorite NFL team. BTW, I do applaud Pat for bringing in the J&J connection even if it was two years too late.
And your misconception that Josh McDaniels was "about the Broncos" is literally mind boggling (BTW doesn't boggling sound like an activity? Hahem...Cookie and I will be out boggling this evening, would you care to join us?) Josh McDaniels was all about himself and was so young, immature and insecure that he couldn't let go of the New England Patriots way. That was painfully obvious from the get go and is even more obvious today. You can chalk it up to his inexperience but that doesn't change the facts or the way he handled the situation. That's what is so frustrating about this argument. Josh McDaniels is a selfish, egotistical insecure little man and the 2008 Denver Broncos needed a mature defensive minded HC. These points are and were obvious to even the casual fan. Why in the world would an owner in his right mind that is trying to change the culture of the organization replace a little old offensive minded egomaniac that makes odd faces with a too young and too inexperienced offensive minded egomaniac that Literally had to super glue his lips together to avoid saying or donig somthing stupid?
The malcontents (as you call them, which is utter BSBTW) on offense had firsthand knowledge that Josh McDaniels was hell bent on changing an offense that was obviously (to most) not the teams problem and was obviously (to most) very young, very talented, very productive and worked very well together. That didn't sit well with the players nor did the fact that Josh McDaniels turned a blind eye(s) to the fact that he couldn't find a middle ground for the current players and his god forsaken system. I remember how all the quotes of "things are going great under Josh and guys are really buying into the system" came from players on the defensive side of the ball. That's why the offensive players wanted out of Denver, they (like most) saw right through the scared HC. Don't you get it? Did you ever hear about those "whiners" wanting out of Denver in 2008 or before? No, of course you didn't, they (like most of us) knew that they had a good thing going. Not only was Josh McDaniels selfish but he went about his "re-org" like a little child and that too was painfully obvious to (most).
You're Royally Right in saying that "That part of our history" is behind the Broncos but it is still negatively affecting the team and will continue to negatively affect the team for years to come so don't fool yourself or try to fool others. Josh McDaniels deserves to be berated, belittled and thrown under every team bus (just like you and your very little group of "big believers" do to the players that he ran out of town, fair is fair) until Bronco fans see fit and not a Sunday before that. When a Bronco fan really stops to think about it, it's mind boggling that the negative energy and comments at the MHR are reserved for the players that Josh McDaniels ran out of town and not Josh McDaniels himself. >Insert virtual head shaking and the sound that Tom makes after being cold cocked by Jerry<
Like McG said and I have been saying, all things being considered, the Josh McDaniels hire was the worst thing to ever happen to the Denver Broncos Organization and quite possibly the worst decision that Pat Bowlen has ever made, professionally or personally. Josh McDaniels was absolutely not what the 2008 Denver Broncos needed! Now feel free to mull the levels of Josh McDaniels incompetence and discuss his many poor decisions but there is no doubt that Pat Bowlen made a huge mistake hiring Josh McDaniels considering that all the team really needed was a mature, adult HC with a Defensive mindset to take the team to the next level and flourish in the weak weak west. Pretty simple. The real kicker is that not only did Pat make an obvious mistake hiring Josh McDaniels but then Josh McDaniels quickly proceeded to compound Pats problems by running talented young players out of town, dividing the locker room, dividing the fan base and fielding a losing, gutless, heartless and spineless team. And it's not like he did this over a few years or a decade, it was a few months! Unheard of and literally unbelievable.
So I really don't care if it's "not productive" to rehash the past because it's what fans have done and will continue to do for all time, most of us have taken shots at past draft busts and numbered jersey wearers this off season so stop the hypocrisy. Besides, you don't have to read my posts if you don't want to. I was well on my way to letting it go until the Royal post surfaced.
Josh McDaniels did not give a damn about the Broncos or its fans and it showed very early on so I will never give a damn about him. I will not however wish him harm like you and your hypocritical "big believers" do to those players that he spitefully ran out of town. Many "big believers" are currently becoming acquainted with the St Louis Rams and will continue to root for and follow Josh McDaniels for the rest of his career and hope that an (in child's voice) "I told you so" is in their near future. Which again stinks of hypocrisy because those "big believers" say that it's "against the MHR rules" to follow or root for a non-Bronco player. I don't know, maybe that rule doesn't apply to ex-coaches, I'll have to look it up. In fact it's probably time that I post some new Rules for the MHR anyway. Then there's your BS about giving poor Josh McDaniels a break while at the same time it's against the rules to give the players that he spitefully ran out of town a break when they were only reacting to Josh McDaniels inability to lead, mentor and coach todays NFL players. Also hypocritical.
Some will call this a waste of time rant, even though we routinely see "rants" on this site, again hypocritical. Or some will call this a waste of time Josh McDaniels hate poem because it doesn't contain numbers, stats, figures and pretty photographs. But we all know the truth about the Denver Broncos past, unfortunately there remains a very small group of "big believers" that refuses to look at the past realistically. I am definitely ready to move on and get the 2011 season underway if you are.
Yes, this discussion is getting old (heck, I'm even getting tired of it and want it to stop) but I will continue to be a voice of reason as long as you and your very little group of "big believers" continues to put a positive spin on the very short, thank the football gods, but very negative tenure of Josh McDaniels as the Broncos HC/GM. I promise.