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Broncos Cap Situation

With the CBA soon to be finished (at least we hope....), the Broncos media has started turning its attention to free agency. Last week, the Denver Post wrote a piece that said the Broncos were going to be about 9 million dollars over the expected cap (120 million).

Now, before I go on, let me just say that I am less then sure the Denver Post is correct. Rodney did some nice investigating and discovered the truth about the cap here.

Regardless of what our starting cap is going to be, we are still going to have to cut salaries, especially if we go after big free agents like DeAngelo Williams and Brandon Mebane. So today, we look at the Broncos with the highest salaries and who could be cut in result. Conrad did a post about this the other day. I am going to go into a little more detail.

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Highest Salaries in 2011 per Rotoworld.com. It's hard to nail exact numbers since not all financial details are released, but the rough estimates are enough to be able to guess at what could happen. Let's examine the salaries over 1 million dollars from highest to lowest.

Elvis Dumervil- 14 million

Remember how great this deal was because we were getting a real bargain in 2011 giving little money to Doom. Well, that turned out to be a moot point since he got injured and missed the whole year. Now, he returns and with the highest salary. Still, no chance we cut or restructure the contract.

Champ Bailey - 11 million

We just gave him his contract. No need to talk about it.

Kyle Orton- 8.8 million

If Tebow is deemed the starter, there is no way we keep Orton as a backup. Not with an 8 million dollar salary. We can trade Orton and that will cut the 3rd biggest salary on the roster from our cap. Now, if we trade Orton for a player, we will obviously be taking on cap so keep that in mind.

Chris Kuper- 7 million

I was surprised to see Chris Kuper's 2011 salary was so high. 7 million is awful lot of money to pay to a guard who has never made the pro bowl. However, I found out from Rodney that the reason his salary is so high is because he didn't receive a bonus last year. After this year, his salary goes down to 3.5 in 2012 so that explains the high price this year. The deal only has 13 million guaranteed so it would be interesting if we cut him, resign Ryan Harris and plugged Orlando Franklin in at guard.

Brian Dawkins- 6 million (incentives not included)

Dawkins has a base salary of 6 million, but the Denver Post reports its at 7 million likely due to incentives. Dawkins is the heart of our defense and a great leader. However, he simply is not worth 7 million dollars at his current skill level. He could be a cap casualty and be cut, but I think he might take a pay cut. I have no idea what it would be reduced to, but 2-4 million with incentives sounds reasonable.

DJ Wiliams- 4.9 million (incentives not included)

The Post has DJ's salary at about 6.6 million likely with incentives. It's a semi-steep price, but he is our best linebacker on our roster. We won't cut him, trade him or restructure, this year at least.

Andre Goodman- 2.8 million (incentives not included)

The Post has Goodmans salary at about 4 million likely with incentives. Goodman missed a big chunk of 2010 and was subpar when he was playing due to not being totally healthy. It is a possibility we release or restructure his contract, but there is uncertainty with Perrish Cox and we would have to sign another corner anyway if we released Goodman. We will probably just keep him. When he was healthy in 2009, he was a very good player for us.

Renaldo Hill- 2.4 million

Hill likely faces an up hill battle to remain on the battle. With so many safeties on the roster, Hill is on the wrong side of 30 and he has a 2.4 million dollar salary. With recently drafted safeties Rahim Moore, Quinton Carter and 2009 draftees Darcel McBath and David Bruton, I don't see how we keep Hill and his contract. Cut or trade is likely.

Jabar Gaffney- 2.4 million

Gaffney has been a very good player for us. He had 875 receiving yards last year and with DeMayrius Thomas hurt once again, I don't see us getting rid of Gaffney.

Correll Buckhalter- 1.9 million

Buckhalter's play dropped off immensely last year. He is still a decent 3rd down back who can block better then Moreno, but I don't see him sticking on the roster. Denver will pursue a free agent and Buck will likely get the boot.

Mario Haggan- 1.9 million

I didn't know that Haggan was due this much. Quite frankly, I don't see him as a starter and 1.9 million for a backup DE/OLB is kind of steep, but he is a good locker room guy and a ST stud. Who knows what will happen to him. If things are tight, we will cut him. If we have the money, I think we keep him.

Tim Tebow- 1.6 million (incentives not included)

This is without incentives. With incentives, the amount is 3.1 million according to the Post. If Tim is the starter, this is a bargain. If he is a backup, he's a well paid backup. No chance we cut him/trade him.

Demayrius Thomas- 1.6 million (incentives not included)

With incentives, this is around 3 million but with DeMaryius likely to miss a significant amount of time, I feel confident saying he likely won't reach those incentives. Is it possible we trade him? He's totally unproven and he's hurt, but I could see us trading him if we were offered good value. Not likely, in fact highly unlikely, but possible.

Kevin Vickerson- 1.3 million

We just resigned Big Vick. He's staying.

Brandon Lloyd- 1.3 million

Underpaid

Ryan Clady- 1.1 million (incentives not included)

Severely underpaid.

Knowshon Moreno- 1 million (incentives not included)

If he is diminished to a 3rd down role, his salary likely stays at 1 million. He's probably going to stay here, but if someone were to offer us something of value in return, I could see us trading him.

 

In total, 17 players are going to at least be making 1 million dollars in 2011 and most of them are going to make much more. This makes it semi easy to get us under the cap. I think the top 5 ways we get under the cap are:

1. Trade Kyle Orton

2. Restructure/Cut Dawkins

3. Cut/Trade Renaldo Hill

4. Cut Correll Buckhalter

5. Cut/Trade Mario Haggan

 

What players do you think will get released/cut/traded?

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Good stuff, and I agree with each of your moves. Just a couple notes on Tebow and Kuper..

Tebow’s 2011 salary is an enigma. The recent DP article by Jeff Legwold pegs his price at the $3.1M you quoted, which undoubtedly includes his 2011 base salary of $1.62M along with a one-time bonus of $1. 54M that he’ll receive for taking 45% of the snaps this year. So that’s $3.16M, which is intensely close to the $3.19M quoted by Jeff. But here’s the kicker… Somehow between our friend Josh McDaniels and our true friend GM Brian Xanders, the team never gave Tebow a signing bonus last year.

On the 29th day of the new league year, Tim Tebow is due an additional $6.275M as a delayed signing bonus. So Tebow will likely be paid a total of $9.4M this year, all of which will go toward the ‘cash floor’, which is set at 90% of the cap.

As for Kuper, I don’t see any way we cut him. There’s just too much in guaranteed money that’s still due to him.

Oh, and you brought up a good point on Brandon Lloyd, in that he’s under paid and headed into his last contract year. If I’m running things, I wait just a couple weeks into the season to make sure he’s still 2011 Brandon Lloyd and then I give him an extension. It’s cheaper to extned him while he’s only had one breakout season than to extend him after he’s had two. So the point here is that we’ll need to save some cap room for this extension.

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 21, 2011 5:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the extra stuff Rodney.

So Tebow will be paid more then Orton if he plays most of the snaps. If he doesn’t play most of the snaps, he will be very close to his salary? That’s interesting…

Can’t imagine paying a backup 7-9 million

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by Nick Cast on Jul 21, 2011 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I guess I should mention that The Denver Post mentioned something about offsetting his salaries from his bonus, but even they did that with his entire 2011 base salary, Tebow will still make around $7.8M if he starts and $6.28 if he doesn’t. I wish we had access to what they have access to.

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 21, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow got a signing bonus last year

he got a $975,000 advance that the league treated as a signing bonus, which is prorated over the life of the contract. The 6.275mil is more like a roster bonus with funny wording…the agent looking out for his client in terms of when does the season actually start. For what it is worht I have Tebow’s 2011 cap number at 9.626mil.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I believe Buckhalter has a 0.0% chance of making the 2011 Broncos.
Fully agree that we trade Orton.
We should also cut Dawkins because we can do a lot with that money. He simply isn’t the player he used to be and you can’t overpay old vets, even totally cool dudes like Brian.
I agree with cutting Hill and Haggen as well. Time to replace their salaries with those of younger players.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 21, 2011 6:00 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't think that...

we should cut BDawk, but I think that 2mill is fair and that his “player coach” value is worth that.

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by metalman5050 on Jul 21, 2011 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

Let's be honest about this.

Dawkins will move on to a much better team if we try to pay market for him.

The only way Brain stays in Denver is if we overpay.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 21, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

You know...

when I think about it that way, why would he want to stay, verses to get cut and get what another team is willing to pay? He hasn’t any reason to be overly loyal to the broncos anyway, and especially if they want to restructure his deal. He’s at the end of his career and so He should be more concerned about his “nest egg” then what team he’s plays for.

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by metalman5050 on Jul 21, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Apparently Dawk has said he'll take a pay cut to stay in Denver.

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by GrizBronc on Jul 21, 2011 2:32 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

well if that's true...

then that even increases my respect 4 the guy!

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by metalman5050 on Jul 21, 2011 2:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, he wants to finish his career in Denver and loves it here.

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by boydy2669 on Jul 22, 2011 5:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

If we restructure dawk

his cap number drops to $3.396mil. If we cut him, it costs us 3.468mil in cap space. The restructure accomplishes the same thing as cutting him, in terms of gaining space, and yet leaves one of the most intimidating and fiery leaders of all time in the NFL with one last chance to make an impact. That seems like a fair deal for all involved…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 21, 2011 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nick...

I dont agree on Moreno or Thomas….put them in the “no way do they get traded” pile!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

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by boydy2669 on Jul 21, 2011 6:04 AM MDT reply actions  

We couldn’t trade Thomas for anything more than a 4th round pick at this point. He won’t be traded because he isn’t worth much to anyone else.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 21, 2011 6:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I dont think that is the case. I think that Denver believe in him as a play maker. Anyone who has watched him play knows that.

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

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by boydy2669 on Jul 21, 2011 6:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

The thing is, not many people have watched him play because he’s always hurt. Be a GM of some random NFL team – you wouldn’t give up much at all for him. Too high of a risk.

by scooter17 on Jul 21, 2011 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I dont want to trade him. I think hes going to be an elite WR.

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

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by boydy2669 on Jul 21, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

late bloomer?

Just look at BLloyd. However he may end up being a star 4 years down the road on another team. Somebody else’s BLlyoyd

by Clompy on Jul 21, 2011 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope not mate!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

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by boydy2669 on Jul 21, 2011 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

When healthy

Im sure you wont see him running back kicks…………..

by Clompy on Jul 21, 2011 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

The system/scheme D Thomas was in at Georgia Tech never really gave the kid a chance to become what he needs to be...

He could possibly get more catches in the NFL in one year than he did his entire career in college. I don’t think he is first round material, but time will see on that. He (imo) was the better choice over Dez Bryant at the time, but his feet/legs concern me. Can he stay healthy? These are the things that EFX will be looking at when he returns sometime in mid season…We may be drafting a WR next year of need.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Also, I wonder if Virgil green has the speed to play WR? Mmm...

We know he the athleticism and he can catch the ball. TC will be interesting because if he can translate to WR then we may see the end of Gaffney as we knew him…Always thinking I am…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

If Green is a fast study, that man will be on the field

Shannon Sharpe was split wide at times…..Green is faster

by Clompy on Jul 21, 2011 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kuper is totally safe. It would send a horrible message to the other Bronco players if we messed with his salary/deal one year after giving him a new deal. Kuper didn’t play poorly last season, he didn’t get hurt and he didn’t bitch. I know I’d have bitched if I had to execute McD’s moronic blocking schemes.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 21, 2011 6:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Kuper is a very good guard. I am glad he is on our o line!

"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"

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Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!

by boydy2669 on Jul 21, 2011 6:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Kuper has been solid and I want to see if Eric Olsen has what it takes to be in the NFL...

Can Magazu turn him into a solid Guard? If so then we may see a battle at that position in TC…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

That we have an O-line coach McD didn’t hire makes me so super duper happy. I couldn’t handle the coaching brain drain under the Josh regime. Yes men are rarely the best coaches as both Josh and Shanny found out. Us fans too unfortunately.

The Lockout bores me.

by McGeorge on Jul 21, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

let's estimate what our total savings could be from the 5 proposed moves above

8.8 MM from dealing KO
4 MM Restructure BD (I’m hoping we don’t cut BD, but I understand the rationale completely)
2.4 MM cut Hill (IMO he is as good as gone)
1.9 MM cut Buck
1.9 MM cut/trade Haggan

19 MM total salary savings. Depending on where we stand relative to the Cap considering the conflicting reports, that either gets us under or puts us below the floor – meaning we would have to add salary.

Of course we are going to add salary in the form of two FA DTs (at least) and a FA RB (maybe two). We also might be picking up salary in the KO deal when it happens if we get a current DT and not a draft pick in return.

Ding Dong the lockout's dead

by DE_BroncoFan on Jul 21, 2011 7:22 AM MDT reply actions  

I doubt very seriously that haggan get's the axe...

I can’t get on Rodney’s train headed for the Haggan be gone theory…As Smith spoke highly of him in a couple of articles. Very stout STs, multi-purpose player…Hunter may get the axe though.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Haggan is the one on that list with the best chance of keeping his job

But it’s entirely possible that we can trade him. So that, coupled with the fact his salary is a lot higher than Hunter’s makes me think Hunter will get the backup DE job rather than Haggan. But it’s the one name we’ve been throwing out that I consider less than 80% sure of.

I think Bannan isn't coming back, Nate Irving will start at MLB and Tim Tebow starts at QB. Oh, and VonDoom should combine for 20-25 sacks.

by Rodney A on Jul 21, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Always being the guy who threw caution to the wind with wreckless abandon,

I’ve come to the conclusion that I know very little about what is right or what is wrong. What we do have is Doom and Ayers as starters, Mario Haggan, Jason Hunter, David veikune and Jeremy Beal as backups. Now we have to conclude how many DEs will the broncos keep? 5 maybe? Or 4? If we keep 5 on the roster with 4 suiting up on game day that means we are heavy by one player. I don’t think we could put Beal on the PS and hope he won’t be taken by somebody, so he stays on the roster. Is Veikune a better option than either Hunter or Haggan? I don’t think so but he is young and raw with a ceiling left to reach? Keeping Veikune over Hunter or Haggan may be the best option because we would have a player not yet fully developed yet in Veikune. That leaves either Hunter or Haggan getting the axe with haggan having more experience (if that counts) with his team mates. IMO Haggan’s salry won’t make or break us and I’m not sure what Hunter is getting? In trying to be logical here, I feel that Hunter may be the odd man out, that’s just the way I feel right now. Which ever ways it plays out I’m onboadr with EFX…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

excellent Nick

I think Dawkins needs to be back on the team somehow, someway. KO, Moreno, Hill, DJ, Haggan, Buck, we would be fine without.

Where’s Moreno been this offseason? Training at altitude I hope.

by Clompy on Jul 21, 2011 8:23 AM MDT reply actions  

I hope he has been training in the Himalayas with a Sherpa! For crying out loud...

The 3rd year will either make him or break him imo…He either shows he belongs in the NFL as a starting RB or take a backseat to someone else…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

seriously though

Sadly I think he may be in the latter category…….

by Clompy on Jul 21, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

U got a broken link there buddy.

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by metalman5050 on Jul 21, 2011 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Nick for the post and pretty much agree with it...

Definitely have to trade Orton or start him, there is no middle road with him at this point…

Brian Dawkins is a guy you want on the team and if the Broncos can restructure his contract to include a coaching position it should absolve some of his player salary money I believe. I would love for the broncos to retain him for mentoring/motivation and leadership. Can this be done?

I would cut Hill and Nate Jones at this point when McBath (if he stays healthy which I think he can) and Squid/Vaughn can immediately fill those holes while the rookies develop.

Lendale White’s injury put us in a bad spot last year and you are right, Bucky is getting up there in age and has battled the injury bug as well. Leave Lance Ball on the roster to fill Bucky’s spot and acquire a solid RB in FA/CUFA. Can’t rely on White making it back at least this year and i would be surprised if he did. I would almost bet that Fox has inquired about White’s status more than once this offseason, that’s what Fox does…

The way LBer coach Richard Smith talked about Haggan I think he will be retained for a varity of roles on defense/special teams. I think Jason hunter would leave before haggan does…

You know it wasn’t long ago that the Broncos salary was around 85 mil. Now they are saying it’s up over the 120mil cap? Something doesn’t sound right to me.

by bfree2bronc on Jul 21, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

I am accepcting my role as a Kyle Orton's Salary Ninja Assassian

Kyle Orton’s salary must be assassinated Ninja style.

 i expect Dawkins to be reasonable in a restructure. If he wants a ring he’ll have to allow us to sign FA.

 and I have also heard rumors about Tyson Clabo becoming a Bronco. Maybe he’ll a be a RT and Franklin will replace Kuper and his contract?

 Whats Brady Quinns takehome?

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by Zac Man on Jul 21, 2011 12:37 PM MDT reply actions  

No trades

I think it’s highly unlikely that trading players will occur this season. Teams will be focused on bringing back their current players or getting some FAs. We may be able to trake KO, but then again, we may not. Why trade and give up something for another player when you can just wait and see who gets cut? There are going to be a lot of bargains out there.
I’m not sure of the cap hit if they just outright released KO, but it might be better than eating the entire salary. Some tough decisions coming up!

by cskilly on Jul 21, 2011 5:28 PM MDT reply actions  

We have no one of note to bring back so we will have to do some trades, and other teams will have to aswell due to the cap eg Atlanta O Line.

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by boydy2669 on Jul 22, 2011 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

This just in

from the NFL.com on the new salary cap agreement issue.

Salary-cap exemptions in 2011 and 2012
This is good not only for teams who are up against the $120 million salary cap but also for players set up to be cap casualties.

Teams basically will have a $3.5 million credit this season to help pay veteran players. Teams also can borrow up to $3 million from future salary caps to help pay veterans. That $6.5 million cushion can be used on multiple players.

In 2012, teams can borrow up to $1.5 million against future caps for veteran players. This is the exact type of relief that teams can use to retain veterans for at least one more season, like the New Orleans Saints with safety Darren Sharper

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