Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks - 7/22/11

NFL Lockout Agreement Proposal Includes Salary Cap, Revenue Sharing Details - SBNation.com
Andrew Brandt at the National Football Post takes a look at the labor deal that the owners have proposed to end the NFL Lockout. This isn't guaranteed to be the actual deal, of course, since there's still some wrangling to be done over some provisions that shocked players who hadn't yet seen them before the owners drew the deal up and agreed to it on their own. But here's the general idea.
ESPN: NFLPA likely to vote on ratifying labor deal Friday - The Huddle - USATODAY.com
After a tumultuous day on the NFL labor front when the league's owners voted to ratify a new agreement to end the lockout, it appears the players are now poised to render their own verdict after opting not to Thursday.
Snookered or not, players staring at fair deal | Philadelphia Inquirer
On Thursday evening, the NFL owners made a dramatic announcement in Atlanta. They had voted 31-0 to approve a 10-year deal that would end the four-month-old lockout of their 1,900-plus players. The season was saved. Training camps would open next week and order would be restored to the universe.
Former Bronco Webster indicted for sex assault on a 15-year-old - KWGN
A former Denver Bronco has been indicted on sex assault charges involving a 15-year-old girl. Nate Webster was indicted on June 10th and taken into custody in Cincinnati, Thursday morning.
Broncos aren't going in cold after labor dispute ends - The Denver Post
When the NFL lockout is over and players return to the field, knowledge could have healing powers for them.
Broncos will be playing catch-up once NFL deal gets in place - The Denver Post
The Broncos John Fox has waited months to stand in front of his players, to coach his new team, to start the long climb from last years 4-12 finish. And the wait is not over, despite NFL owners having ratified a new 10-year collective bargaining agreement in Atlanta on Thursday night.
Slimmed Knowshon Moreno attends Broncos unofficial workout | All Things Broncos
Lighter? Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno almost looked downright skinny.
Broncos WR Eddie Royal says he's 100 percent healthy for 2011 | All Things Broncos
Do not place Eddie Royal alongside Demaryius Thomas in the group of injured of Broncos receivers.
Owners OK NFL labor deal; players still to vote - The Denver Post
If labor negotiations were officiated as a football game, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners would be flagged for a false start.
NFL.com news: Dawkins can live with smaller salary to remain with Broncos
Brian Dawkins has been in the NFL long enough to understand that the contract you sign isn't always the contract with which you finish. That's why the Broncos' strong safety is accepting of a potential salary cut.
NFL schedule will not expand to 18 games - The Denver Post
The NFL season will remain at 16 games, with four preseason contests, for at least the next two seasons.
Who's going to be the Broncos' quarterbacK? | National Football Post
Who's going to be the starting quarterback as the Broncos debate the respective merits of veteran Kyle Orton, former Heisman Trophy winner Tim Tebow and former Cleveland Browns first-round draft pick Brady Quinn?
Kiszla: Broncos shouldn't waste their money on Brian Dawkins - The Denver Post
While nobody will ever mistake Kyle Orton for an elite NFL quarterback, he played more good football for the Broncos than veteran safety Brian Dawkins did during the disastrous 4-12 season of 2010.
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Whoa Nate Webster
thats some serious stuff. I would hope there is another side to this story because that is just wrong
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Yeah because the other side of the story is some 15 yr old slut who had it coming right?
There is no way his side comes out of this looking good.
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Skinny Knowshon? Hopefully that =Speedy Knowshon
Kisz going after B Dawk…I think B Dawk has earned whatever he gets paid and would be more than welcome on this team. We have young safeties and who better to learn from
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If Moreno wasn’t fast at 210, which is already pretty light for an NFL RB, he’s just going to be more injury prone at 200 pounds. Strange move for him to slim down. He can’t stay healthy as it was.
Then again, maybe he saw the writing on the wall that clearly reads “Moreno is nothing more than a 3rd down back with good hands” Maybe he is smarter than I give him credit for.
He should be a better 3rd down back if he is more (smaller) like Sproles. But Moreno will need to improve those open field moves after he grabs that Tebow screen pass.
The Lockout bores me.
I have always liked Knowshown
1) because of his name
2) Because he really likes the game of football and I think he tries really hard
3) I think the running game would have sucked for all running backs in Denver over the past couple years
But why would he slim down? Makes no sense to me
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
My first thought
when I read that Moreno was down 8 lb was “explosion.” He hasn’t had that since he arrived and if he is going to drop lbs, he better gain burst. With all the hits he’s taken regarding his performances and work ethic, we’ll find out this year what kind of person he is.
It's a social contract: They leave their hearts on the field, we leave our voices in the stadium.
If you guys reread the article he told us that he didn’t try to lose weight he just did. He was working his butt off and normally when you work it off you have a tendancy of losing weight if you keep the same calorie intake as you would during the season. But if you intake the same calories you would while in full season he would’ve definately have put on lbs.
by broncs27 on Jul 22, 2011 10:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Even Kiz isn't that clueless
is he? Probably just trying to stir things up. $3M for a guy with his attitude and experience to teach the young guys and help set the tone for all the new guys in the locker room is worth it. The Broncos once had a winning culture. Dawk can help re-instill that.
It's a social contract: They leave their hearts on the field, we leave our voices in the stadium.
Kisz and Clueless usually fit nicely in a sentence
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
This is true
I still try to give him the benefit of the doubt occasionally though.
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Me too, I mean he is the one getting paid to write for a fairly large newspaper. I usually like to give him the benefit of the doubt because he is paid to sell newspapers and write controversial stuff, stuff that he might not always think is true…well at least I hope
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope
Kiz earned my enduring wrath when he decided to continue his crusade against the new stadium and write a scathing piece the day before the SB against the Packers. It came across as petty and mean-spirited, not to mention undercutting “his” team which was about to take the field for the championship.
It's a social contract: They leave their hearts on the field, we leave our voices in the stadium.
I understand his wanting to bang a drum about the stadium issue
but his tact and timing need a lot of work. But then that is just because he likes being tactless.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2011 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
TD got better after he bulked up...
I took this news as bad news.
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This gnashing of teeth by players really irritates me to no end.
The deal the owners agreed to wasn’t the full document as it will be finalized, they didn’t get to go through it line by line either. There’s no way in Hades that they would have voted if they didn’t feel that De (incompetent or just poor communicator) Smith had the votes for this to pass. The entire agreement was hashed out in front of a judge, and the players reps on the committee KNEW what was in it. The league also had telegraphed last week that they were meeting Thursday for this purpose. They even had reason to believe the players would vote prior to Thursday……
The players on that committee (I’m talking to you Heath Evans) and the individual team reps are very bad at their JOB. They are supposed to communicate everything that is happening so idiots like Josh Cribbs don’t tweet that they have to “dicect” the proposal since it wasn’t what was agreed to…..
rant off
I had to get that off my chest, and now I feel better. Hopefully this is officially agreed to by the NFLPA* today, and the guys get to come to the facility tomorrow!
Dawkins acknowledging he will be fine with a pay cut to stay a Broncos player is classy.
Kiszla mouthing off about BDawk is pathetic.
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by Broncotodd on Jul 22, 2011 8:29 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
You’ll have NFL ball by week one, which is all that really matters.Preseason is way too long as it currently stands.
The players should make sure they sign a deal they can live with. One that wasn’t rigged at the last minute by the sneaky owners.
I’m just hopeful that Vince Jackson can get out from under that franchisee tag in San Diego. I’d like to see him out of the AFC West. I guess he could remain and be a cancer in that locker room.
I’m torn today.
The Lockout bores me.
V Jack out of the AFC west would be nice…maybe he would be soo pissed that he would come to denver in a discount jus tto stick it to San Diego
/wishful thinking
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
McG, have you read the concessions the owners swallowed?
There was an itemization from Alex Marvez last night that went into detail about everything the players got. After doing all the negotiating in the presence of a federal judge, I highly doubt the owners’ attorneys would have allowed any differentiating from the original deal, terms, and paperwork.
The players have known for several weeks that in all likleyhood the owners would vote on the 21st. They did, but the other side now wants everything delayed so that every single dumb butt player can go over several hundred pages of paperwork so " they can get the best deal?" Seriously who really believes that? This is what they’re negotiating team was for, and the team reps. NOW they want paper babllots (even Obama has disallowed that) - and only after they are allowed in the facilities ie: after he lock out is lifted.
Come on man. The players are delaying the whole thing for a power ploy and a further legal mess. Their PR move has now failed.
Fact: : Less Governemnt = Common Sense
Release The Tebow! ( let him play his game)
Something is fishy, or likely some sort of PR mess
D Smith and Goodell talked all week, met with a mediator, the mediator blessed the deal, and they talked at 6 p.m. right before the press conference. Something is fishy and I have no clue what it is
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
As Ted calls them, I am not one of the owner fanbois
http://deadspin.com/5800887/the-bizarre-cult-of-pro+owner-nfl-fanboys
The players are definitely losing this CBA as it is far more owner friendly than the last deal. In this battle of the CBA, the owners are taking and the players are giving.
Or in Ted’s teams: The owners are the pitchers, players=catchers.
The Lockout bores me.
The owners are allowed to approve unilaterally any revenue sharing components of a new deal
and revenue sharing, the difference between the top and bottom teams in the league is the reason behind the owner’s original opt out provision, and eventual opt-out from the old CBA. The owner’s gave no indication at any point in this process that they would even try to address any revenue sharing (whihc has an effect on nationwide revenue and venue revenue which means an effect on the player’s cut) and then in their latest meeting they basically added however many pages of new revenue sharing agreements to the proposal, sans player approval.
The main issue that needs resolved is why was the revenue sharing added at the last second, amid a PR stance by the league that put the players in the hotseat to vote for it or be the bad guy? Once that has been figured out, then the process can move forward again, and to figure it out, the new revenue sharing addendums need to be gone over very closely. And they could absolutely be added at the last minute (nothing in the CBA would technically need to be changed..since the revenue sharing is an owner vs. owner issue, it can simply be prepared in the months beforehand, without needing any player input, and then added whenever, including at the last minute.
Right now the fans have only very generally defined the two stances by the parties involved: owners are ready to go, players are shuffling their feet. But the stances are much more definite than that.
The players are delaying, but what they are delaying is their recertification. This is their powerplay, not because they want to sue the league over antitrust violations in the future, but because they want to preserve the leverage that their current lawsuit has.
The owners are ready, but what they are ready for is a rush job on the most important element of this agreement, which is final ratification by both parties. The owner’s powerplay is to get signatures that end the threat of the current lawsuit, and then they can sort out the damage at their leisure, including making amends to players.
This isn’t about good and bad guys, this is about two full-fledged, rank and file bureaucracies each trying to undermine the other’s legal leverage. The winner gets more than money…they get control. Control of where money comes from, and where it goes. Control that can placate even the superegos.
Until it isn’t enough, of course. And it never is.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The players always crumble, owners knew it, went for the boss move, and we will see what happens. I give it a week or 2 weeks yet
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe I just missed it, but does anyone know when trades can start? immediately after an agreement?
I wonder how much teams have been talking trades during the lockout.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 9:09 AM MDT reply actions
Plan I heard
was for teams to re-sign their own players starting Saturday and free agency to start Monday (at 12:01 am), assuming the players vote yes today.
Orton, Tebow, Quinn, may the best man win!
by OrangeandBluesBros on Jul 22, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions
what about trades though?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
they would start at the same time as free agency
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2011 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions
If true, Webster is about to have a terrible existence. ANd he earned it. Skin crimes, especially committed against children, don’t go unnoticed inside. Fellas in prison have daughters, moms, sisters and wives, and they get worked up over this subject. Again, if true, he earned it.
luckily im a bronco and a blazer fan
Can somebody tell me how much money we will have to spend?
I really wish we could go after a Corner in Free Agency. I want to build a dominating defense. I think if we build a great defense it will really take a lot of pressure off of our offense.
1)Goodman is ok and Champ is getting older
2)Perrish could be in prison
Wish we had the monney to go after Antonio “I can’t keep it in my pants”
Also it is assumed that Nate Clements will get cut
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Last I read
the cap is to be $120.4M, the Broncos are at $129M, but have 72 players under contract.
It's a social contract: They leave their hearts on the field, we leave our voices in the stadium.
although NFL salary caps are always confusing, and it never seems like it is reported accurately
the most obvious way to decrease our salary commitments would be to trade Orton…
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Legwold reported the $129M figure, but I don't know where he got it
As I recall, only the top 53 salaries count against the cap, so teams may be well over the cap counting all players, but the first 53 determine whether a team is over or under the cap. Other reports have the Broncos just under the cap. I didn’t check the link provide by black_knight101.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Jul 22, 2011 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Legwold was one
but I have seen it elsewhere too. On the other hand, ESPN reported $125M.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/37327/looking-at-2011-salary-cap-figures
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by orangenorth on Jul 22, 2011 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
That info is confusing
Now that I look at it again, it might not refer to 2011.
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by orangenorth on Jul 22, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
No, no one can, but it won't be a lot
Broncos are right around the salary cap of $120M, over or under depending upon who you believe. The team will have to do some restructuring of existing salaries and trade or cut some players to get some manuvering room under the cap. There is also a $3.5M exemption from the cap this year, but it is not clear how it works (it was explained, but i got lost). So, it is up to Xanders and Bluem (Broncos cap guy) to figure out how much the Broncos can spend.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Jul 22, 2011 9:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats kinda what I thought about $120 Million
but it sounds like we won’t have much money to spend.
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
it's really hard to tell.
I’m not a cap expert, but after trades and salary restructuring we should have some room. i’m just not entirely sure how those things affect the cap.
We also have to sign our draft picks, although if I remember correctly they don’t have a big cap hit at all in their first year.
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I would like another RB
but I hope they don’t spend a ton of money on one, I hate spending anything on running backs
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah I'm in the same boat as you there
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions
from what I just heard on the radio, the Panthers have to spend a lot of money to make it to the salary floor, and the person speculated that they will give Deangelo Williams a big offer and that we would match it
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Williams makes sense, if we decide to sign an expensive RB
the problem is that we’re going to prioritize DT and may not be able to match a big offer like that
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I’d put the priority at DT or CB, this team needs defense and we can’t depend on Tebow to score a ton of points to win. Sign a cheap RB and let Knowshown have one more year
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
borrowed
My understanding so far is that the 3.5M is an amount teams can borrow from the future for the current year. How that would be paid back, I’m not sure. Maybe it has to be designated to a year up front.
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by orangenorth on Jul 22, 2011 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions
just further evidence that the NFL salary cap is the most complicated thing in all of sports
and that nobody except the NFL guys, GMs and salary cap experts have an understanding of it.
You’d think things like that could get accurately reported, but we never really hear the whole story on the salary cap issues
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Ain't it the truth
And to further emphasize your point, I just heard on the NFL Network that the cap would be around $123M and that team personnel reps meeting in Atlanta weren’t told exactly where they are relative to the new cap. One told the reporter that if player signings opened up tomorrow, it would be crazy because they wouldn’t know exactly what they could do.
Am I crazy, or isn’t the budget the first thing teams need to know?
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by orangenorth on Jul 22, 2011 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah you are right
I guess I can understand them not knowing yet, because until the deal is finalized there might be some small negotiations leading to small differences in #s, etc. I think Xanders probably has a pretty good idea of what he’s looking at though
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions
Let's hope
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by orangenorth on Jul 22, 2011 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Kiszla has to be kidding
If Dawkins held that same attitude, who would have stepped in and got the team together for the players only workouts this summer? He may have lost a step on the field, but his leadership is priceless. His willingness to take a pay cut makes it clear that he wants to be a part of the team and get our rookies up to speed. The team owes that much to Dawkins and we should consider ourselves lucky to have him on our roster. Letting him take that leadership and experience to another team might cost us a great deal more than his salary in long run.
Kickin it with Kiz = Kicking Kiz in the balls cuz he deserves it
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Does anyone else find it amusing that there are already football preview magazines out?
I mean, I know they have publication dates and all but this would’ve been a good year to hold that, to delay it. Feels like team rosters are about 30-40% undecided til the free agent frenzy and trade market opens for business. Man, those mags will be outdated quickly. (Some do appear to have held off…)
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agreed
the Maple Street Press annual magazine that MHR does is on hold indefinitely….I think it comes down to editorial standards….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2011 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
or sales
coming out with a preview now allows them to come out with a revised preview after more players are signed, thereby doubling their sales.
Orton, Tebow, Quinn, may the best man win!
by OrangeandBluesBros on Jul 22, 2011 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
true
as a one time thing it is a survivable business decision, if a questionable editorial one. One thing media markets have shown, however, is that over time, bad editorial decisions add up and affect readership….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 22, 2011 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I would be ticked if I bought a magazine and then had to pay again to buy a revised edition
if they wanted to do it fairly and not look bad they would give people with receipt for 1st version a free copy of revised one, but they likely won’t.
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Time for the players
to quit whining, the terms are SO fair to them…
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by the new Bradfather on Jul 22, 2011 1:00 PM MDT reply actions
Hmmm
We could use a bruiser like John Clay to compliment Knowshon….IMO
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compared to knowshon, a 225 lb back is now a bruiser
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Adam Schefter just put this on his FB
While Patriots G Logan Mankins has withdrawn his demands, Vincent Jackson hasn’t, despite denials that he wants $10 million or no tag.
All we need is for a Charger to hold this up.
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We will take both of them
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
So the Perrish Cox thing got released today
and I would have to say its not looking good. Its gonna be a he said she said deal but now it involves Cassius Vaughn and DT
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