Perrish Cox Sexual Assault Update
by Colby on Jul 22, 2011 3:01 PM MDT
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PrintCarlos Illescas of the Denver Post has revealed more details on the crime of a sexual assault on Bronco cornerback Perrish Cox.
On October 28th, it was reported that Cox had sexually assaulted a woman on September 9th. The woman reported the assault after she found out she was pregnant. Cox was arrested on December 9th and pleaded not guilty in court in May. He is currently free on bail. When the lockout is over, Cox will probably face some amount of suspension for the incident.
Today more details were reported. The woman who was involved in the assault admitted that she saw two other Broncos with Cox. The woman thinks she was drugged because she only had three or four drinks and she unknowingly had sex with him. The women was then taken to Cox's apartment in which she was sexually assaulted.
The two other Broncos who were allegedly with Cox were Wide Receiver Demaryius Thomas and cornerback Cassius Vaughn. Vaughn was a roommate of Cox. Vaughn was home when assault happened. A friend of the victim was also at the apartment. Cox was dating the friend of the victim. The woman recalled Thomas kissing and fondling her before he left the apartment
Cox who is 24 has been charged with two crimes: Sexual assault on a helpless victim and sexual assault on a victim incapable of appraising her condition. If Cox is convicted of the charges, he will face at least two years in prison and there is a chance he could face a life sentence.
The trial is set to start on October 18th, the week the Broncos have a bye. The following week they play Miami.
Cox was drafted in round five , 137th overall for the Broncos. He played in 15 games and started 9 with one interception and 54 tackles.
Update: 4:02 Mountain Time: The Broncos released a statement on the incident.
"The allegations involving Perrish Cox are extremely serious and troubling to our organization. We will continue to monitor the situations very closely." - via Patrick Smyth
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Patrick Peterson would be looking nice about now
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
me too, even after one hundred million re-do's
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thats a pretty definitive statement considering nobody has played a game in the NFL yet
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 25, 2011 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope....we will be getting a CB in FA now....we need to kick Cox and DT to the curb.
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Uggh..
And the hits keep coming. IF all this is true and he is guilty, and if D Thomas and C Vaughn were both there and watching…all should be kicked off the team immediately. I’m sickened by this and can only laugh that we passed over Dez Bryant because of character issues.
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by gcman on Jul 22, 2011 3:09 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Not fair to group Thomas and Vaughn in on this
Thomas left before it happened and Vaughn was only home during this time. Cox was the first guy with character issues we drafted that year, and we waited until the 5th round to do it.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with hitting on a drunk girl
IF the story is true, he probably realized how gone she was and gave up like the law says he should have.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Good thing we drafted Thomas over Dez because of character
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Once again, Thomas did nothing wrong
He realized the situation, quit hitting on her and left the building. Dez on the other hand is prima donna, Brandon Marshall wannabe who I would never want on our team.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Thomas still seems like the right choice… now if he could just stay healthy.
by SoCalBroncsFan on Jul 22, 2011 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I’d rather have a healthy WR who buys too much Jewelry and hangs his pants to low rather than gettin D-runk trying to get on passsed out women
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 25, 2011 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Still a little disappointed in DT right now
remember all his “hangin’ with the right crowd” Bill Cosby talk after we drafted him?
"When Tim Tebow does pushups, he's not pushing himself up, he's pushing the world down."
"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
Vaughn refused a DNA check....he must have been scared of something.
Looks like Cox got her preggo, so Vaughn is off the hook. Both are looking like slim balls right now.
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by Tim Lynch on Jul 22, 2011 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious to why he refused the DNA check. Maybe Cox had an accomplice since Vaughn was at the house with him when it happened?
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Almost all attorneys will tell you
do not offer up something like that w/o them (your attorney) giving the go ahead or unless you have no choice (subpoena). I respect and trust cops but they can twist and shape statements and tests in a dozen ways, best to be extremely cautious. Most of us say, “hey, take the test….blood, urine, lie detector, should be no problem if you have nothing to hide, right?” Shoot even your auto insurer tells you to simply exchange info and not admit fault at the site of the accident. I see no problem with them refusing the tests initially, guilty or not. I will wait to pass judgment on Cox too. Way too many false accusations flying around anymore to jump to conclusions. Innocent until proven guilty right? Of course her attorney is going to state the case in the paper in a way that is beneficial to his client. Cox’s attorney has not said anything yet….
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by rubincarterrocks on Jul 23, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for that comment, RCR, +1
I’m not going to take sides on this issue, so I’m willing to entertain a large range of possibilities regarding the defendant and the complainant. However, as a somewhat enlightened non-lawyer, I would strongly advise not submitting to a DNA test.
There are a number of relevant issues which I won’t discuss here but I did want to say that the ordinary person’s faith in the criminal justice system is somewhat misplaced. And I’d say the same for civil courts.
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Thomas said he left once the girl passed out.
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So he knocked up his girlfriend's friend
So the girl says, I must have been drugged. I really hope she’s not screwing up his life just to save her friendship…
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:09 PM MDT reply actions
good possiblitly
but as BaldMatt posted in another post of this, the “drugged induced rape” would be hard to prove with alcohol involved. She was drunk out of her skull, and could have consented and not remembered later.
who wears short shorts?
well I think I read like 4 drinks…i don’t care who ya are, that probably isn’t drunk out of your skull
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
she was picked up at a bar
she prolly had a lot more than that before arriving to the apartment
who wears short shorts?
haha mine too
drunk, but not drunk out of her skull
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah
well give my wife 4 drinks and see what happens. Also, what were the size of the drinks? When we went out last, I was drinking PITCHERS as a drink lol
who wears short shorts?
hahah very true…probably downed 4 1.75’s of Jack and called it 4 drinks
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions
My wife gets blitzed off of two drinks as well
But even if this chick could handle her liquor, they were at a bar where plenty of other people could have spiked her drink without Cox ever knowing about it. (If the event happened after that it still doesn’t make it right, but it’s a whole lot less malicious.)
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Whether he drugged her or not isn't the issue
It’s whether she could consent when he treated her like a blow-up doll.
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by margabelle on Jul 22, 2011 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it is an issue
There’s a huge difference between slipping someone a roofie and raping them and taking home a girl who has had too many and raping her because she wasn’t sober enough to assess the situation properly (assuming this is what happened).
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm just saying drugging a girl is much more malicious
And that if she was too drunk to consent, it’s less wrong. Yes, still rape and still wrong, but not as bad. And in the case of a roofie or something similar, I would hope additional charges would be added.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I see your point. Rape v. Rape and assault via drugging
The latter is worse.
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rape is rape regardless of if she was awake or not. It is taking what you want from another person without consent.
I’m not saying he actually raped her but I can’t believe there is even a line in the sand saying one form of rape isn’t as bad as another.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
They're both rapes and wrong, you're right.
And she’s not awake either way. But if you purposely drug a girl to knock her out so you can rape her, it’s much worse than if you’re both drinking and you’re stupid enough to not know what you’re doing is rape. Many people have put themselves in a situation where a drunk girl could have woke up the next morning and say I didn’t consent, but you have to be a real asshat to roofie a chick. Just to clarify, I’m not defending what Cox did (if he did this), I’m just saying roofies are a whole nother level of wrong.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
that doesn't matter
If a woman gives consent while drunk, and then later rescinds consent, it means she didn’t give consent. That’s the way it is.
unfortunately in every case that is true
even when you can prove a person’s charactor issues and bad rap, they’ll still give her the benefit of the doubt.
(the above statement had nothing to do with Cox’s accuser – just a general statement)
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Alcohol is a drug
If she’s messed up on wine coolers or heroin or whatever, if she’s too drunk to consent, it’s rape.
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by margabelle on Jul 22, 2011 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The whole situation is very very ugly.
What is most disturbing to me is that all this happened during the season…
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Not looking good for most involved.
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed, Nick
Three Bronco players drinking and getting in major trouble during the season? Makes us look like the Big Ben of the AFC West.
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Cassius Vaughn was NOT drunk OR involved...just happened to share a place with Cox.
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Cox said he did not have sex with her
but somehow she ended up pregnant with his child.
/Unsolved mysteries said she stole his sperm somehow
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perhaps she woke up while he was sleeping and raped him?!?
lol not likely tho
who wears short shorts?
apologies but it sure didnt sound like that was the angle you were taking
also based on your other posts
If a chick did that to a dude
we would never call the police (unless she was super fugly or manly).
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"Gear down there big shifter This is the "No Bull" review man…" a total Lebowski-esque one liner from Sadaraine, whether he realizes it or not - comedic gold.
Or used a broken bottle...
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Do we know it was proven to be his kid?
All it says in this story was that she found out she was pregnant. Did she even keep the kid? If so, has DNA been done yet? It hasn’t even been quite nine months since it happened…
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions
From all accounts I've read DNA confirms
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions
proof its his kid?
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by Jon Tollerud on Jul 24, 2011 2:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update Colby.
My only quibble would be that “alleged” should be used in front of “assault”. It kinda reads like Perrish is guilty already.
by abroncosfanatic on Jul 22, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions
seems like a tough case for her to make, with stuff like:
… she had several drinks at the nightclub and later visited Cox’s apartment with her friends…
nope, but when he says he didn’t have sex with her, after she claimed rape, and then ends up with a kid with his DNA. That usually spells pretty good evidence
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
if 2 guys had sex with 1 girl
and she was claiming rape even tho she consented, and she’s pregnant, would you claim you had sex with her on that night and take the immediate rap? Or would you roll your dice and take the 50/50 chance?
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yeah i agree with that
i’m not sure how they’re going to prove that she didn’t know that they had sex, but they may have evidence we haven’t heard about
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions
oh man
apparently the victim was dating Wesley Woodyard at the time she was at Cox’s apartment.
What a start to the season. I live in Seattle, maybe I should be a Seahawks fan…
Even more of a reason for the girl to claim rape
Cheated on Woodyard with her friend’s guy? Doesn’t take much of a stretch of the mind to come up with the “I don’t remember it happening, it’s all his fault” reasoning… If this is the case, total crap for her to ruin Cox’s life to save face.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
of course
she may be trying to save her own reputation as well as to try to save a friendship. People are pretty self centered, so ruining one man’s life is plausable.
But, in no way is that in defense of Cox, if he did do as accused, he can rot for all its worth. BUT, there’s always 3 sides to every story…
who wears short shorts?
She doesn't have a salvagable reputation
Her name was leaked before. Pictures she posts of herself are beyond regular Facebook fun stuff
Yeah, except Cox lied to the police about it
Circumstantial evidence is enough to convict…Ask Scott Peterson.
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Umm...
Okay she came with thomas, cox and his girlfriend who is her friend? Why would she pass out then thomas leaves and her “friend” leaves her there with her boyfriend? Doesn’t add up to me.. also is she keeping the baby? The article didn’t say lol
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by Pmoreno95 on Jul 22, 2011 3:25 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
It happened in September right?
Which would put 9 months Right now
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions
there does seem to be something fishy about this story.
These guys have women throwing themselves at them and some of those girls do not have the best intentions. It would not surprise me if this was similar to the duke lacrosse team where the “rape” victims story was completely inconsistent.
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Probably irrelevant, FOX 31 reports that it was aborted.
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I'd love to make a sweeping pronouncement...
But why don’t we wait until it’s all over? Yeah. That’s what I’ll do.
W.W.T.T.D.?
you mean wait for the court system to take its course and provide us with justice?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Read the affidavit. It’s pretty damning (and the female officer actually wrote without quotes about "girl-on-girl action’ and “what went down”).
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where did you find the affadavit?
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Link?
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 22, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_18530251
Linked on the left side next to the 4th paragraph under “EXTRAS”.
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And by the way, none of them are saints, but I can’t condemn Thomas for his actions (if the what is written in the affidavit is true). He hit on a girl leaving the bar, tried to go further, then gave up when she passed out. I can’t say that I’ve never done that.
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by the new Bradfather on Jul 22, 2011 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
i haven't done that either
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Agreed thomas did what any 21-22 year old male would do at that time.
by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh gimme a break Scotty
doing what any other 21-22 year old would do? I’ll find you several thousand other guys who wouldn’t be klssing another “man’s” girlfriend. Please, no apologies for D. Thomas here.
Shame on these Bronco players here, I don’t care what their age.
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And for those thousand other guys who wouldn't be kissing another "man's" girlfriend...
I can find at least twice that amount who don’t give a crap about that “man”… and I’m 21, in this generation of these things
It doesn’t line up with my personal conduct, but its the way things are now days :/
sad state of affiars then
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by mdierk on Jul 22, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sad but true
I’ve walked in on a good friend with another good friend’s girl on a couple occasions. Never done it myself, although 1 friend’s girlfriend did try. Just the way it is anymore.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
however
if you’re referring to D.Thomas, she hadn’t started dating Woodyard yet. That came a few weeks later.
She was dating no-one at the time. I have not trust in DT anymore, but lets not make up crap...
A man is judged by those he surrounds himself with…..
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That's awful reasoning.
I’m an atheist, but didn’t Jesus surround himself with bad people? Now granted, DT is no saint in this situation, but he did the right thing and quit before he did anything illegal.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
What bad people did Jesus surround himself with?.....dude, its a saying that been round for years...so call it awful reasoning but it proves out true...
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
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Well guilty by association will never fly in my book.
And I’m a little rusty on bible verses, but I do recall prostitutes, tax collectors and other “sinners” sitting down with Jesus to the dismay of many of his followers.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 22, 2011 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Its not guilt by association....and jesus saved those people, not "hung out" with them...that would be 12 apostles.the
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He saved them by hanging out with them
Like I said, it’s been awhile since I’ve heard them, but what I recall from the stories was that he would choose to sit down and eat with them and hang out with them and just by his example he would save them. Assuming he is guilty, if Cox had taken DT’s example and gave up when the chick passed out we wouldn’t be in this mess. And judging someone by the people he or she hangs around with is the definition of guilt by association. Once again, DT’s definitely no saint in this situation, but the kid ended up doing the right thing even if it took him a little too long to get to it. It’s not fair at all to blame him for anything that Cox might have done.
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by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 23, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Simple.
Cut. Him. Loose.
(Once the process has gone through)
agreed
I would think keeping Goodman would be a priority now, unless they feel Squid or Vaughn can be serviceable enough…
who wears short shorts?
If they don't determine Vaughn was involved anyway.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Know what ! Say good by to this guy .
Lets get these rookies that we drafted up to speed sooner than later so they take over
and start to turn this team around . This task needs to be completed by champ
B dawk and whoever works closely with the secondary players .
by broncosfaninphilly on Jul 22, 2011 3:55 PM MDT reply actions
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by black_knight101 on Jul 22, 2011 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I really hope Bey Bey and Vaughn
are innocent because the way he plays Vaughn is a keeper. I honestly hope Cassius is innocent…
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by the new Bradfather on Jul 22, 2011 3:56 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
oof
I just read the whole probably cause warrant (pdf) and it’s pretty wild.
Overall impressions. Thomas looks like a good kid that got mixed up in something that could have worked out a whole lot worse for him if not for DNA testing.
Cox looks awful. At this point I want him off the team.
And Vaughn looks suspicious. No probably cause on him, but it’s just way too easy to imagine that he knows something about what went on that night, given how he was acting the next day.
Ugh, ugh, ugh.
just read it too.
i didn’t think thomas looked so good either, but yeah, he comes off better than the other guys. souring on cox real quick.
They all look like shady pricks! I read it too...very suspect!
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You have to remember this was the alleged victim’s account of the story. One she readily admits she can’t remember because she was drunk. Cox or Thomas may both tell a much different version of events.
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Yeah, for sure...just not the actions of decent people, especially knowing DT's story of how he battled thru life and was uneffected by all that wnet on around him...
It paints an entirely different picture of someone you would consider a “good” kid.
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Just read it and I agree with you...
Other than the not showing up for the final interview thing, Thomas seems on the up-and-up. He was quick to give his DNA with no more than the initial request, which I would be hesitant to do unless I knew I was innocent.
Cox is pretty well F#$%ed. He is the father of the baby and he seems like he was pretty evasive. We’re probably gonna need another CB. Vaughn seems suspicious, but it doesn’t matter because there are no signs of any tangible evidence against him.
The only thing that bothers me about the woman’s story is that she stated that she had sex only two weeks later. This is after “suspecting immediately that something was wrong.” Generally, rape victims aren’t that eager to get back in the sack, but that could be because she wasn’t conscious when it occurred.
Granted, there is more evidence to be analyzed and a whole trial to go through, but first impressions after reading that is that Cox is screwed. Too bad, he had such promise… GO SQUID!!!
by SoCalBroncsFan on Jul 22, 2011 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I read it too
All three look bad. I don’t think I can look at any of them the same way regardless of the trial outcome. Maybe I’m old fashioned, but I wasn’t raised to be that way around women. Obviously Cox is the one whose life is in a heap of trouble.
If these allegations are true!
I don’t know how any one of those three can look themselves in the mirror. If you are present when the bank is robbed even if you didn’t have a gun and actually do the robbing you are still GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION
Good riddance to all three!
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So the guy in the crapper that thought he heard people robbing the bank is guilty too?
Or maybe the people cowering during the robbery are guilty too because they didn’t try to stop the robbers? That’s a bit ridiculous, don’t you think?
I think you’re assuming too much about Thomas’ (possibly even Vaughn’s) perceived knowledge of these events.
by SoCalBroncsFan on Jul 22, 2011 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he means present as in "with the robbing party". Not an innocent bystander who happened to be in the bank.
If Cox knew what was going on and didn’t do anything about it he still shares some of the guilt for sure.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I meant Vaughn
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I got that, I was sort of being facetious.
I’ve been taking more exception to the venom D. Thomas was getting. As far as Vaughn, it seems like he is coming off shady, but he probably is more the post-event bystander than the guy who walks in with the robbers. He may have found out or put the pieces together after, but there seems to be no evidence that he was involved with the act. But again, anything regarding Vaughn’s alleged knowledge or participation regarding this incident is just that; alleged.
by SoCalBroncsFan on Jul 22, 2011 7:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm wondering if Cox's spermies won the race to the egg
but the alleged victim had Thomas’ and/or Vauhgn’s swimmers in contention for fatherhood.
Seems weird and incriminating that both the victim and “Che” both felt like they had been drugged. Also doesn’t look good that Cox lied and then ducked the DNA warrant for so long.
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Yeah, it’s so tough to say with Thomas. Some people can take the version as he did the right thing and others will say he got lucky that someone else’s sperm swam faster.
The one thing about this is that without the DNA testing, Cox would have been off the hook most likely and Thomas would be the one on trial. It’s very incriminating that Cox was lying about having sex with her. Tough to say with Thomas, but you’d like to believe that he was telling the truth that he didn’t take things further.
To me it seems Vaughan got involved and knows more about what happened, but was possibly trying to protect Cox.
by wiebrod on Jul 22, 2011 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
what's not entirely out of line is,
if she doesnt pass out, not only does Cox not rape her, she could be a mother of DT’s baby.
I believe Cox and Vaughn but Thomas agreed to the test right away implying to me he really did leave and did not participate.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I think Vaughn may have gone there too....not DT though as he gave sample no questions asked!
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Vaughn may have just been following his lawyer's advice.
Don’t do it unless you have to. It doesn’t look like he had anything to do with it. He wasn’t even out with them. DT May have been partying but looks as though he did the right thing when she was too drunk to continue.
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I read that warrant....
I am quite disgusted. This is the reason that Cox was drafted as low as he was. He needs cut.
Do these guys realize that when they don the jersey, that they represent the community? Kids look up to them whether they like or not. Vaughn and Thomas need to be kept on a short leash after all of this.
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by BroncoMath101 on Jul 22, 2011 6:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn’t sound like Vaughn had anything to do with anything here.
Thomas maybe, but it sounds like he was making out with the girl before she passed out. If making out with a drunk chick is a crime, a lot of us would be in jail.
Sleeping with a woman that is passed out is another matter entirely. That is 2nd or 3 degree rape depending on her actions before she passed out.
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Exactly. If Vaughn and Thomas did any wrong here, im sure they would have charges filed against them by now
by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions
all 4 did wrong
i know the girl got raped. But she’s still somewhat to blame in this, getting with 3 guys in one night?
by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Her name is Camille Washington. She is the accuser. She is a good looking wanna be model. Just google her name.
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whoa, she is good looking
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 25, 2011 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
That’s not what I got out of the read. I may lay blame her way after the trial. As of now she seems quite innocent. If she didn’t pass out, for all we know she may be the mama of DT’s baby and they would be setting wedding plans for next spring, and rather in jail, Cox is our starting CB, and Andre is in KC.
Again, the warrant only gives the
girl’s story. Not saying Cox is innocent just saying it’s one thing to say those guys are arrogant drunken partiers and another entirely to say one of them is a rapist. Let’s not assume yet until either a confession takes place or a trial. False accusations agains pro-athletes is very common also.
I simply hate the lifestyles these guys lead and the lifestyles of the ladies who seem to hang around them. They all seem to be “users”. Using each other for money, sex, drugs, etc. It’s sad that this lifestyle is accepted by too many as normal and ok. I’v never been accused of date rape, probably because I don’t live that kind of life-style. You hang out with pigs and you’ll always get dirty.
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by rubincarterrocks on Jul 23, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Another good point about an extremely damning admission from Cox that will...
…. hang him. He admits the girl was passed out drunk before he got DNA tested. Thomas said the same thing. A lot of witness evidence that she could not consent.
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It is certainly possible
For one: Cox had sex with her in the club.
Look, the case can be summarized this way. Alleged victim claims she went to the Cox’ apartment and passed out. Claims she did not have sex with anyone. She was found pregnant by Cox. Hence he must’ve had sex with her while she was passed out. Cox denied having sex with her, apparently to cover up crime.
What if he denied having sex for other reasons, e.g. to dodge paternity suit? Then what’s left is he said-she said about her condition when they had sex.
I don’t see any direct evidence of alleged crime, only circumstantial and deductive. Not a slam dunk case.
I think it's a safe bet now that Cox is going to jail, if this is all true of course
Hopefully it’s true that Thomas gave up trying to get with her after she passed out and went to sleep and that Vaughn was asleep the entire night.
Right now I am inclined to believe this is how the night went down. However the fact that Cox said that Thomas made a comment stating that she looked pregnant prior to the pregnancy test shows that they probably know more than they are admitting too right now.
Is the court case set to take place in only August or will it continue into the football season as well?
And now for something completely different
You don't know that he made this comment
This is just victim’s word. For all we know she’s making it up to embellish her story. This is may be the weakest evidence there is in the affidavit.
If Thomas told police she was passed out and Cox told police he didn’t have sex with here and DNA confirmed Cox as the father of her aborted fetus…
Me thinks Cox’s days as an NFL player are over and he’ll do some real time in prison.
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Yeah cox is screwed
Thomas didnt do anything wrong from what i read, he made advances with this girl, she passed out he left. Vaughn was simply at the place when it happened.
Honestly there is no winners in this case. The girl probably isnt innocent. She was obviously wasted of her ass, tried to get with these guys, and cox went to far. Looks like cox will be going to prison
by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
If Cox banged a passed out chick, we should cut him and say good riddance. Not the kind of guy you want on your team. That is a loser right there.
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Agreed
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I’m thinking more along the lines of Eric Wright of the Browns, Fabian Washington of the Ravens, or Drayton Florence of the Bills.
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Totally agree.
i think he was already on a short leash already so i bet hes gone.
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by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 6:52 PM MDT up reply actions
If John Elway lives up to himself,
he wlll cut all three of them. What a sad day for the Broncos.
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Thomas and Vaughn didnt do anything Illegal.
by Scotty Payne on Jul 22, 2011 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
From everything I’ve read, Cassius Vaughn didn’t do anything. He simply lived with Perrish Cox, but had no part of any crime.
He stays.
Demayrius was not totally innocent. He’s a question, but forensics ruled him out of any crime so we’ll see.
Cox looks guilty and I would not be surprised if he’s cut day 1.
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No. Just cut Cox, nothing for DT or Vaughn.
The fact that this Camille Washington was dating Woodyard a few weeks after the Cox affair tells me she likes to chase ball players.
That doesn’t get Cox off the hook at all, but you can’t fry Thomas for making out with a drunk chick and you can’t fault Vaughn for living with Cox.
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by McGeorge on Jul 22, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Id cut them all
They simply are not good enough or in DTs case healthy enough to look the other way. It really is not about what they did right or wrong. Sadly they embarrassed the organization and they are not stars, so bye, bye, and bye
Cox is done
After reading that he has hardly any chance. I thought or was hoping that this was a situation where 2 drunk people got it on and one felt she was too drunk and didn’t want it or just didn’t remember. I was very wrong. With overwhelming evidence she was passed out and Cox maintaining he did not sleep with her yet being the father pretty much means he is F#%^ed.
What a sleaze. The stories from all the people involved make him look like he was up to no good and now we can be sure he was. It will be interesting to see how he tries to get out of this one and I hope he gets cut right away.
by jshaw546 on Jul 22, 2011 9:22 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Please ...
This is exactly why it is unfair to Perrish to release these details. This type of information prejudices the jury pool and will make it more difficult for him to receive a fair trial. Of course he sounds guilty they released the police report, the police report is intended and is written in a way that is intended to make him sound like he’s guilty. And of course Perrish can’t say anything because any statement he makes could be used against him at trial. If Harvey Steinberg got to write a public article about the situation, obviously, Cox wouldn’t look nearly as bad.
Here are some things to think about:
a) It depends on the type of date rape drug that is used, but some drugs are detectable for a lot longer than 24 hours after (up to 90 days for a hair follicle test) they are ingested. It’s hard to believe that many medical professionals would say, no its out of your system so it would be a waste of time, without at least offering to run a tox screen, just in case there were drugs found.
b) the victim didn’t want to pay $500 for a rape kit? How bad would you want to know if you suspected you were raped? My suspicions are that there will be evidence that she could have gotten the money for the test. And even if she couldn’t, it is difficult to believe that going to the police to save who she thought was DT’s reputation at the time, is a credible statement. Just because you ask for a sexual assault test to be administered doesn’t mean that charges will be filed against the person, particularly if the test is negative. The victim claims that she wanted proof before going to the police. I think it is fairly elementary to know that evidence of a rape generally dissipates the further from the incident that you get. It’s hard to count on being impregnated as proof.
c) There are all sorts of credibility issues, as ugly as it is. As a sampling, why do you think three women, would drive three separate cars down town? Because they all pretty well knew they wouldn’t be returning to the same place.
d) The date of pregnancy is estimated on May 3rd, the party was on May 5th, the officer sneaks that in, but the actual pregnancy would have begun on May 6th further away from the estimated date of insemination.
d) Everyone is assuming that because Cox admitted she was passed out and then later has been pretty well proven to have slept with her, that the intercourse must have been non-consensual and have occurred that night. That is an assumption and both Cox and the victim had reason to mislead the police regarding whether they had sexual intercourse before or after that. The victim, was pretty sure it was DT who did it, and was not asked about her history with Cox until after she found out that it was his child. At that point she had made the allegation about DT and admitting to having lied about the number and frequency of her sexual partners to the police before, would have potentially embarassed her and would have significantly diminished her credibility.
e) Cox denied any consensual sexual intercourse to the police. Well, he is a young athelete with money, who attracts paternity suits fairly easily. Giving a DNA sample to the police, and an admission of sexual intercourse would make that case fairly easy to prove. It is certainly possible Cox was trying to hide potential paternity by denying the tests, rather than his guilt of sexual assault.
f) The fact she is dating Woodyard during the allegations is a pretty ready made way for the present to argue bias and motive to lie.
g) Most of the evidence contained in the statement of probable cause is inadmissible. What people said to the police is generally true, but it all sounds different when made under oath and subject to cross examination.
Long story short, its better to hear all the evidence prior to determining whether a person committed sexual assault or not.
by Rmann on Jul 22, 2011 10:17 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh I forgot. If the victim thought she had been raped, why would she spend the entire day with her potential attackers hanging out and watching movies?
- And insert alleged before victim above.
I still wonder, after reading the whole thing, how she remembers so vividly what DT was doing to her before she passed out and how everything was so clear to her before she passed out and then bam, everything is gone, she wakes up in the same spot she passed out in, with the same clothes on. Something in those details just doesn’t fit right to me. Cox was in his bedroom with his girlfriend and probably doing what couples do. And then somewhere in the middle of the night Cox decides to go into another room and just rape a passed out girl? I don’t understand why he would do that, I mean he would have to be one sick individual to do that.
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by waterboy31321 on Jul 25, 2011 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions
A blog post from a prominent defense attorney in Colorado
worth a read….
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2011/7/22/204641/530
Essentially states that Perrish Cox has no shot at a fair trial and that the privacy of all others involved was grossly violated (e.g. think about the friend who the entire Bronco nation now knows was puking all night without having removed her tampon).
Article advocates for the legislature to rethink the public records law to preserve due process, fair trials and privacy of witnesses and victims.
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For someone who's read the affidavit...
What sort of state were Cox/Thomas in? Not that it would absolve them of anything, but it’s somewhat important information nonetheless.
Good enough state that they could wake up early in the morning and go practice
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