Bronco Byte's: A Two-Headed Beast?

The fact of the matter is, there is a good chance Kyle Orton starts for us this year. Time for everyone, myself included, to get it through our heads because we have convinced ourselves for months that this was Tebow’s year.

Players in their contract years have everything to play for. The story repeats time and again — it is in these contract years that players are the most dialed in and often turn in their best performances. I agree with the points on running, and an improved defense (scheming/coach-wise and speed wise — lacking on size, for sure).

Overall, I’m glad the Broncos organization are not hitting the panic button the way some in the media and fan blogosphere are over Orton being in command currently. I believe Tebow will have every chance to win the job.

http://www.milehighreport.com/2011/7/30/2304905/points-of-view-orton-problem-or-solution

Oh well…looks like I was a day late and a dollar short. ;-)

I agree, Tim. I’ve been going back and forth on this, but I think this is going to be a good thing. Orton won’t be here beyond this year, Tebow gets to develop, and we still get to watch those goal line plays with Tebow to get him in some games. I think it’s going to work out well.

For Orton’s sake, I hope that he doesn’t get hurt this year. I like the guy. He’s not the future, but he’s a good player and a good guy. He’ll get his next spring, and Tebow will handle it all with professionalism and class just like he always does.

and that counts for a lot. Also, if Orton walks next year Tebow will inherit an even better team

i’m not convinced at all that kyle’s going to be starting if he’s still here. Elfox may just be leaning towards the ol’ “he’s not there yet but let’s see what we’ve got” thing with tebow. they obviously aren’t enamored with kyle and if kyle’s holding up a trade it won’t exactly make him the MPGIDVFO (most popular guy in the dove valley front office). we’re all pretty sure kyle’s not in the plans for next year, so there is an element of moving forward with a team that’s probably not going anywhere in all of this. okay, and finally… i’m going to say this…. i think tebow was the better all around QB last year in the three games he played. not the better passer or the better stand-around-and-get-sacked-guy, mind you—just the better game time QB. unpolished as he is.

glad that’s off my chest.

….the inevitable QB controversy that will now follow us through whole year. Orton will falter, he is an average NFL QB and they all falter. When he falters the controversy will be deafening. After the national spotlight for all of the wrong reasons the last couple of years, I was hoping for a quieter year.

I also disagree with one point you elude to. I think Tebow would learn more playing this season than holding a clipboard.

Last, I don’t think too many folks around here think Orton will be here beyond this year, so in my (often wrong) opinion, we are just wallowing in mediocrity for another year before we start our QB development. Boydy is right and that we have begun to accept mediocrity around here and it is really depressing.

Tebow may not ever be the answer, but we are now willing to wait another (wasted) year to begin to find that out.

I say call Orton’s bluff. Move him to the third string and see what kind of deal he gets offered in FA after spending a year not even dressing. I suspect he would cave and go to the Dolphins. Orton is going to be public enemy number 1 in this town for being the one holding up the trade and it is going to get very very very ugly when be he begins to falter. I don’t see why any of us fans cannot see this the inevitable. Of course, I’m usually wrong but this just seems like a clear path to me.

Tebow will get more playing time this year regardless, and could still win the starting gig eventhough unlikely to be at the beginning of the year. I believe Orton should have gotten out while he could, now he could sit on the bench some, most, or all of the year hurting his chances to cash in next year. Why play Orton when we know he wont be here.

So either Tim Tebow or Kyle Orton starts for us. That ain’t so bad.
Orton starting signals a effort to have a winning season, Saint Tebow starting signals more of a rebuilding slant.

I for one would trade him for whatever and move on with Tim Tebow if they want to please the fans and have an authentic leader at the helm, however, Orton is the better passer and has more experience…so..why not go with a two headed-QB monster!

Let Orton open up the games and give him the 1st Quarter and the 3rd Quarter…and let fiery Tebow have the 2nd Quarter and 4th Quarter when we need more of a clutch player who can run the ball and not just fall over when pressured or mishandle the snap and lose us the game.

Fact is that Kyle had two year of training under a great QB coach in McDaniels, and while his deep ball progressed, his scramble ability is the worst we’ve seen in Denver…. Time to go or split reps and have a two headed QB monster that will strike fear into foe’s hearts!

What do we do QB wise in the 2012 draft?

We know Orton: Journeyman, decent, gone next year.

Tebow: we don’t know, but shouldn’t we find out NOW?

But I have faith in our staff and what ever they decide to do I’ll get behind, Orton has always been one of my favorite QB’s since he came out of Purdue, seems like a great dude and would be fun to have beers with.

I will say that Orton will be motivated to try to play well as a starter if he wants to be a FA next season, but the point comes up, if he knows he will probably be judged on stuff like TD:INT ratio, will he be conservative and basically be the same guy as last season, great between the twenties, but not willing to make a risky throw on third downs or in the redzone?

I know this goes against the general philosphy of we have to get value for Orton, but the reality is Orton won’t be here after this season unless Tebow completely falls on his face and the Broncos pull a miracle and go 13-3 and make a run in the playoffs. And if he leaves after next season and we have a medicorce season (6-10) then we got no value for him anayways and basically still don’t know what we have in Tebow. To me the best thing the organization can do right now is release Orton, allow Tebow and Quinn to battle it out for a starter roll, and look at using that money to sign some decent free agents (maybe a Zach Miller and Cullen Jenkins) and allow Orton to sign somewhere else.

Is if Orton got traded to Miami and then he went on to defeat us in the playoffs..now that would be embarrassing at best…LOL

However I do think Tebow is the future. The problem is I don’t think Tebow is a guy who practices well.

This concept that we were better than our 4-12 record is dangerous.

We’d all like to think guys like Walton, Beadles, Ayers, Moreno, Decker, Cox, Squid, DT, Dick Quinn and McBath will step up in 2011.

We like to think Franklin will be decent at RT, Irving will be good at ILB, Von Miller will have 12 sacks, Moore will make his move a S….

But not all these things will happen. History tells us some will and some won’t. Some guys will step up and others will disappoint.

I wasn’t particularly impressed with Walton last season. I know I’m not impressed with Orlando Franklin. If they both play poorly in 2011, you can be sure that our offense will struggle.

What if our DTs continue to suck? What if Irving+Joe Mays= no starting caliber ILB? What if Lloyd doesn’t play like an All Pro?

I’ll be the first to get excited if more of our young players step up in 2011, we would surprise some folks if that happens. But if it turns out they don’t or they just play like average rookies, we are still going to suck. They will be a lot of growing pains. This is more likely with a young team.

I think we were every bit of a 4-12 team last year. We lost 8 of those 12 games by TD or more. Got our asses kicked 6 times. 1 and 7 on the road. We didn’t lose a bunch of close games.

As for Orton, his struggles in the red zone and 3rd down happen because he is a risk adverse player. He is so careful and will throw the ball away vs making a risky pass. We better have an improved running game in 2011 because if Orton faces more 3rd and passing situations, you’ll see the same results. Orton will be better in 2011 if he is not asked to throw as much on 3rd down and in the red zone. Not sure how that makes me feel about Kyle as our 2011 QB.

What happened to our $20+ million in cap room? Bill Williamson is reporting that the Broncos haven’t signed McGahee, Fells, and Hatcher because we are tight against the cap. Am I missing something? So much for bringing in Jenkins or Franklin like most everyone on here wants.

Orton needs to leave for the good of the Denver Broncos. A QB controversy will not help but only hurt. Need to find out about Tebow and then know what to do next year. Orton is not the long term answer, and he chokes with any kind of pressure and that is not going to change. We need to know if Tebow is the long term answer or not.

Amazing, 2 say the least!!!

Here we are, members of the greatest Bronco Fan Club (MHR) in the world, and you would think that we are the Fickle Media who always jump to “educated” (gut instincts) decisions, based upon the rumors they have heard.

I see how so many here have decided to write EFX off, after all that they have accomplished 2 date, and again, after less than a week of the official beginning of the 2011 NFL season! If you fit into either of these groups, then you are naive.

Sure we all have our opinions as to what we think should be done, or what we would like to see, but I don’t think that any of us have the experience in the front office, or as an NFL coach, or extensive knowledge about how the business works to be in any position to judge any of the people who are!

I don’t even think that I’ve seen a post on here by a person who has played professionally for the NFL. I have, however, seen a great deal of negativity put forth buy a lot of peeps who “claim” to be Bronco Fans. it is time to put some faith in the front office to use their superior experience and knowledge to do what we need done for this team!

After all. I don’t think that there are many here who think that EFX fell flat on their faces during their first draft. Sure, everyone says that you have to wait three years to grade a draft, but we obviously NEVER do. We give a grade immediately after the draft and then adjust it from year to year.

Oh well! Thats just the way that fans are, but it is Mile High Time that the worlds greatest fans live up to our billing and stop trying to down grade the decisions of a (OUR) front office the first week of the TC period. Lets look for the positives and hope for the best, and rally around our troops who are battling for a starting position.

Regardless who starts in whatever the position, I just want us to do well this year and surprise the rest of the doubters in the NFL!

I was thinking that Washington has crap at QB, and Orton might be a good fit, and a thought hit me between the eyes that I can’t believe I didn’t notice before. He’d be right back to competing with Grossman for the starter’s job. The dude’s head might explode.

Fox and McCoy know how good Tebow is in the red zone. Orton rocks between the 20’s, that’s proven, and Tebow rocks the red zone. It’s the perfect combo to get Tebow playing time and improve our scoring offense.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2011/07/30/broncos-make-contact-with-dt-okoye/8451/

I don’t know how you could possibly believe you have. Kyle is going into what amounts to his fourth season. In my half-century-plus of football, I have seen a lot of QBs break out in their fourth season. So why not Kyle? It looks as if he is going to have an improved running game, a TE or two to pass to, and better blocking, based on the gelling that took place in the last three or four games last year.

I see a lot of predictions here, mostly from the heart, rather than the head. The fact is, Orton is far and wide the best QB the Broncos have. That is already bearing out this year, early as it is in camp.

Kyle is going to start. And maybe not just this year. Get used to it.
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