Seas of Change
So I have this Denver Broncos desk calendar that I received as a parting gift from co-workers at my last job (good people!) and as I peeled away the July 4th date, I saw that the factoid was about Brandon Marshall making his first Pro Bowl in 2008. BMarsh, there's a guy I barely think about anymore, yet he was kind of a big deal around here just a few years ago.
That got me to thinking about how much change this franchise has gone through over the last few years - a sea of change if you will. To really examine the depths of this change we need to step into the way back machine and travel to 2006.
2006
One of my last posts briefly touched on the change and all that, but I had somewhat of a tiff with a fellow Mile High Report member over 2006. I ended up letting it go, because I could never really figure out what the disagreement was over. In any case, the tidal wave of change began in 2006. Larry Coyer's defense was centered around the all-world talent and leadership of Al Wilson. I consider his career ending injury to be the watershed moment for this organization - an event which it is essentially still reeling from.
Why? Because with Al Wilson still playing, I guarantee the Broncos win one of those final few games it lost. Getting to the playoffs would likely have saved Coyer from being the fall guy for the failure, and may have led to a more long-sighted draft strategy, rather than a short-sighted one.
Here's the thing though. Though I think Al Wilson's injury brought the five years of pain we have all endured, I think the loss of Al Wilson may have also been the best thing that could have happened to this franchise from a long-term view. I'll elaborate on this later.
2007
Ah, the year of so many hopes dashed. We believed, at the time, we still had an elite defense. All we lost really was Al Wilson right? We still have Champ, Lynch, DJ - so we should have dominated. STOP! Obviously, we were all drunkards off a 27 day koolaid binge, but I digress. 2007 was a year when we started a rookie quarterback in a highly complex offensive system. 7-9 is actually pretty good all things considered there.
The big concern was on defense. The scheme wasn't horrible per say, but Mike Shanahan failed to recognize the heart and soul of the defense was gone. For good. And instead of recognizing that fact early on, he pretended it was a schematical problem and proceeded to fire Jim Bates (technically Bates resigned, yeah right!). The Broncos defense went from 9th in scoring to 29th and couldn't stop the run.
This should have been a wake up call to all of us, but we had the three-headed beast of Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler...so who needs defense? Right.
2008
In what I thought was the worst season I had ever experienced in my 30 years on the planet - this is pre-2010 of course - Jay Cutler and the Broncos led the franchise into the most humiliating late season collapse I've ever seen. Yes, I've ever seen, because I've never had my favorite team so humiliated, so don't go bringing up some other example of a catastrophic collapse unless it involves the Denver Broncos. Or what not...
All complaining aside, we all got a good taste of what Cutler isn't that year. He isn't a big game quarterback, nor does he have that consistent competitive fire to win. The proof in this is his ability to win a game one week and lead the team to a massive blowout the next. It was disgusting - no wait, I'd like to save that word for later - frustrating.
Personally, the year couldn't have started out better as I sat in the Oakland Coliseum to watch the Broncos open up a can of whoop ass on the Raiders on Monday Night. However, it ended in a Broncos bar in San Diego when the Broncos lost their third straight game to blow the division title.
2008 could only end with Mike Shanahan's firing. Looking back, the firing came 2 years to late.
2009
You were either invigorated and excited about the 2009 season or you were disparaged by the firing of Shanny, hiring of Josh McDaniels and trading of Jay Cutler. I personally was feeling invigorated, having gone from being one of Cutler's staunch supporters to realizing his was a great talent with little heart. It is universally recognized that the Broncos fleeced the Bears on the deal, so that all turned out well.
In reality, Josh McDaniels was nothing but a Mike Shanahan clone. We, the Broncos faithful, ended up becoming the 1988-1989 Los Angeles Raiders. I have no doubts McD will take what he learned coaching and managing our organization and will build a championship program somewhere, someday. Part of me resents that, but another part of me understands it is all part of the learning process for coaches. It just sucks to be the guinea pig.
The linchpin to McDaniels' early success was having Mike Nolan on the staff. Nolan had our inferior talent believing in themselves early on and had Nolan been allowed more control over the defensive decisions, I think that confidence would have carried through most of the season and we would have seen the playoffs. Yet, again bad luck and inferior talent came crashing in on the defense with a 2-8 finish.
Kyle Orton quietly put up nice numbers. After I wrote my third down and out post last year on his failings on third down, I did extensive research into 2009 and found the trend was not nearly as noticeable that season as it was in 2010. I think I know, but more on that later.
2010
Ok, now I can fully use the word "disgusting". Hopes were high, as most of us were keyed in on the 6-0 and not the 2-8 collapse, though in hindsight we all know where our eyes should have been come Week 1. Especially after Dumervil's injury, LenDale's injury and the lack of continuity on the offensive line. One thing was certain back then, I was a staunch Orton supporter. You can actually track my progress from staunch supporter to full fledge Tebowner from here to here (Orton's a stud!) to here to here (support for Orton wavering) to here (support for Orton gone) to here to here and finally to here (full fledged Tebowner). Haha It's fun to self analyze, but at least I'm consistent and not so stubborn that my position is unwavering. Don't feel the need to read all those...this is just a selfish self diagnosis of my psyche that I am forcing you to be a part of. Somehow, I think I am both completely sane and completely crazy.
The thing is, Orton didn't make these mistakes in 2009 and I think a big reason for that is the lack of a threat behind him. Orton took risks in 2009 that he was afraid to take in 2010 and the result was like 90% of his sacks occurring on third down - atrocious! This reminds me of Jake Plummer in 2006 with Jay Cutler breathing down his neck, he began to screw up. It is clear as day to me that Orton felt threatened by a superior talent pushing him and crumbled under the pressure. He will undoubtedly find some other place to start that doesn't have a superior talent pushing him and threatening him from the bench.
So yeah, back to 2010. I hated almost every minute of it, so much so that I wanted little to do with football after the end of the season. I enjoyed exactly three games immensely. Obviously I enjoyed every win, but I particularly enjoyed the route against Kansas City, the uplifting win against Houston and the exciting competitive finale against the Chargers. Everything else, pretty much sucked and isn't worth mentioning.
Suffice to say, McDaniels deservedly got fired, though I didn't like it at the time - enough information has come to light that the firing made absolute sense. Even so, 2010 left a horrible taste in my mouth that an NFL Lockout has only made 10 times worse.
2011
Okay, so as much as I want to remain critical and a downer on this franchise. I cannot. The hiring of John Elway is exactly what this franchise needed. Then the hiring of John Fox was another exactly what this franchise needed. The perfect storm that has hammered Dove Valley for the past 4+ years is finally subsiding and what is left is the makings of a champion.
John Elway and company now have in place a young core on offense. If, and this is still a big if, Tebow works out, this offense is going to be dynamic and frightening to defend for years to come. Yes, I am making the assumption Orton is not a big factor on this team by seasons end.
The problem remains on the defense, which is a defense that is aging. This is where John Fox comes in to play. For the first time in over a decade, I feel like we have a coach who gives preference to defense...THAT is something I've been yearning for from the Broncos for a very long time. As our esteemed Kaptain Kirk reminded us earlier this year, Pat Bowlen has given us 27 years of awesomeness, though I would certainly like to forget one of those years.
Which brings me back to Al Wilson. I love Big Al and have missed his style of play every single game since he's been gone, so don't take this the wrong way. His departure could quite likely be the best thing to have ever happened to this franchise. It set into motion chain of events that led to the departure of a stale head coach, an unruly selfish quarterback and wide receiver, the acquisition of a determined all-world athlete in Tebow, the return of John Elway and the hiring of a defensive minded coach. All of this was cause and effect that led us to the worst season of football in 40 years, but also led us to a bright new era in Broncos history.
Am I excited? HELL YES. Should you be?
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Hells Yes!
I am NEVER not excited for the Broncos. They could be 1-15 (as long as the 1 is vs the Raiders) and I’ll talk smack and look for the good things.
Looking forward to a building year and defense that slowly moves into the top 15-20 area in critical stats.
PS – yes, Al Wilson changed the team forever. Why it took us so long to draft biable LBs again is beyond me. Wilson, Mobley, Gold, etc MADE the Broncos what they were in the late 90s, early 00’s
by Brian Conrad on Jul 6, 2011 12:57 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
And even before.
Those great Joe Collier, Orange Crush defenses were bilt around some pretty fair linebackers: Rizzo, Ryan, Jackson, and should-already-be-in-the-Hall-of-Fame Gradishar.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Jul 7, 2011 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome Tim
Gets me excited for the season, brings back fond/not so fond memories, and I agree, that moment that Al Wilson got hurt turned this franchise around forever. Nice stuff!
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Woooh, this gets me pumped! Here's to a new 27 years of awesomeness.
Orange Kool Aid induced predictions:
1) Greg Williams doesn’t just talk about an aggressive, turnover creating D. He actually makes one.
2) By retaining McCoy as OC, John Fox gets the best of McDaniels offense, while adding a more balanced overall attack.
3) Dumervil (16 sacks) and Miller (13 sacks) lead the way in bringing back an Orange Crush. And Miller = ROY.
4) The O-line continues to develop and allows Moreno to finally show he can be a feature back.
5) Tebow shows he can actually be a NFL QB and his position is no longer questioned and he has more Houston like comebacks.
6) Rahim Moore becomes the Darren Sharper of Williams’ D, becoming a beastly ballhawk. He teams up with Quinton Carter to make a terrifying secondary.
7) We show we got the steals of the draft in TEs Virgil Green and Julius Thomas who will be like the patriots Gronkowski and Hernandez. Except we got our in the 5th and 7th round.
8) We do a reenactment of that MNF beatdown of the raiders to start the year, rocking what will be our uniforms of the future.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
Sincerely yours, Tortured T.O Fan
Greg Williams isnt the defensive Coordinater...
Its Dennis Allen which was the Saints dbacks coach. A coach trained by Williams.
by broncs27 on Jul 6, 2011 2:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Ahhhh of course.
It was one of those names that I knew deep down, it was on the tip of my tongue but I thought of Saints D and I first thought of Williams and just went with it. Probably should have looked that one up lol.
Witnessed Playoffs last: April 28, 2008
Sincerely yours, Tortured T.O Fan
Nah its just a bad habit my friends say I have. Whenever they spell something wring I correct them and it over time has irritated them. They’ll get over it. Im sure we all knew what you meant.
by broncs27 on Jul 6, 2011 6:10 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Items 4 and 5...
These go hand in hand actually. The Oline won’t be able to block all 8 guys in the box on a consistant basis. So even if moreno gets rolling, he’ll come back to earth when other teams drop the 8th guy down there. And why shouldn’t they… Tebow has not been able to prove he can throw the ball down field accurately and consistently. He will need a solid training camp and at least a season to get there. Chances are.. he is not the guy on Day 1 of Training camp nor game 1 of the season. Which puts us at game 1 of 2013 at the earliest (assuming he plays all of 2012), before he’s in a position to dictate where that safety lines up. By then Moreno would be a free agent, right?
Josh McDaniels is much more like Cam Cameron of the 2007 Dolphins than the 1989 version of Mike Shanahan.
And Mike Shanahan should have been fired after the 2007 season. The inflection point was the ass whipping loss in Detroit. It was clear after that game, Mike had lost his team and the organization was on a downwards track. That same Detroit team went 0-16 the very next season.
But we were still pretty good in 2006 so that would have been jumping the gun to fire Mike at that time.
And while we decisively won the Cutler trade, McD squandered most of the bounty on fools gold and dream chasing. When Bowlen hired McD, he hired a kid, not a professional. Based on 2010, McD is still a kid.
The Lockout bores me.
Yeah, but Shanny was a kid too in 1988 - slightly older sure...
If mid 2007 was the year Shanny lost the team, then end of 2006 would have been the right time to fire.
Hindsight is great for these kinds of markers. lol If Shanny had actually been fired end of 2006 it would have created a firestorm….though in hindsight, he should have been. Ha, eat that! j/k ;-)
Josh didn’t show progress or improvement during his tenure. That was a HUGE red flag. His coaching, grip on the team and his coaching staff deteriorated over his short era.
It ended very poorly for him because it became more and more clear that he was in way over his head with the role he held. Josh was impossibly far from becoming the coach many of you envisioned him to be back in 2009.
You can’t fire a coach before it’s clear he has lost the team. You have to fail in the NFL before you change coaches. Not sure why that is, but it happens time and again.
The Lockout bores me.
In hindsight, I agree...
but I also think he learned a bunch from his little experiment with us….and will eventually take that knowledge and combine it with the continued experience he will gain in the next 4-5 years and come back to build a team worth talking about.
I think we ALL learned a bunch his little experiment. You see the fruits of this in the Fox hiring and three headed GM. The team is also doing a better job handling the media.
Even fans seem to be happier, even though we are coming off the worst season in franchisee history.
If someone in Bronco Nation didn’t learn a few lessons from the McD fiasco, they are an idiot.
The Lockout bores me.
I wasn't happy...went completely AWOL for the first few months of 2011
Enough so, that I completely missed the thread I now promote in my sig. lol I’m happy now, though I don’t look forward to Orton starting Week 1…
Orton will be passing the ball to Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald in week one and I will wish him the best in doing that.
Unlike Cutler, I’ll quietly root for Kyle to have success on his 2011 team. A trade is also best for him since that new team would turn around and sign him to a long term deal.
The Lockout bores me.
by McGeorge on Jul 6, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
In my mind, from 2006-7 and beyond were considered the pitiful, stale and stagnate years...
Nobody could have ever predicted back then that our team would be drafting at #2 in 2010. We were and forever will be thinking in the back of our minds of the glory years and there was no woy that this team would be mediocre again…Such a fool as I was that the past would be ‘revisited’ in a same manner Creedence Clearwater Revival was revisited…Heh! Yeah and “Looking Out My Backdoor” or “Running Through the Jungle” would always be there to help me through the bad times. I definitely never “Heard it Through the Grapevine” that this team would be swine, but I kept my hopes and dreams up that someday this “War” good God ya all of mediocrity would soon end and or beloved Broncos would once again reclaim respectability in the league. I truly believe we are on the right track now and will feel good again about our team…Thanks Tim.
Nice work Mr. Lynch!
Still a little worried about our D-line this year but I hope we can get a big name or two in free agency.
Nice article Tim
These past few years have been filled with major changes, both for fans and the team, hopefully through all these troubling times are behind us, and we have some stability in our future.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Great read Tim
For whatever reason, I am seemingly less worried about the D, as I feel they will sign a stud DT. It’s the offense I’m worried about. Our O-line on paper looks horrendous to me which wont help our pedestrian running game. With the lockout and a new scheme, they will have to be in speed-mode figuring it out. Could be a real slow start on the offensive side of the ball.
Al Wilson
I was talking to a bunch of guys last year and they asked what happened to the Broncos, and I said “when Al Wilson got hurt they never recovered.” It just kind of came out I had never really thought about it. But We need a leader and I think our new coach and Elway are either going to find one, or one of them is going to be one
Questionable personnel changes during the bye week of the 2009 season after starting out 6-0!
Was the beginning of the end for McKid! He jinxed himself, by messing with an undefeated team . From the very first play of that Ravens game, where Orton got splattered…you could tell, something had changed.
Nice summary of the past few years
NIce write-up. Always good to look back and see the evolution of your point of view. A couple of points I don’t think you considered….
1. Shannhan was a gambler with draft picks and tried to build the team in FA until 2005. Looking at the Superbowl years it made sense. He hit the jackpot with TD in the 6th round and brought in core players that could contribute right away. I remember in the 2004 season when Indy handed our a$$es to us in the playoffs. At that moment, I think Shannhan changed his draft strategy and decided to quit screwing around. He drafted a bunch of DBs right after that. If D Williams is alive today and Foxworthy (not great but OK) is still on the team that looks brilliant. He tried the same thing except with Dline guys in 2007 and they ALL flopped. If even ONE of those guys is average we are a very different organization today.
2. I think Shannon knew he was screwed if Al Wilson was gone. He tried trading him for Justin Tuck, remember? He was looking for a difference maker. Think about how much better the Dline would look with Justin Tuck in there,
3. Remember we gave up on Trevor Pryce and he signed with the Ravens in 2006. Trevor was a lazy SOB but when he decided to play he was great and it left a HUGE hole in the Dline.
4. Shannhan also went after and failed to land Tony Romo. Shannhan knew he was in trouble at the QB spot with Plummer.
So think about these players: Romo, Tuck, William and Foxworthy. 2 or 3 of these players land with the Broncos and man we are a very different org today.
And finally, sigh I hate going into this but I am sooooooooo sick of the people claiming McDaniels will have great success somewhere else. Really? Based on what evidence? A great power point presentation? This guy came into the Bronco HC job with the thinnest resume I have ever seen and did NOTHING to improve it while he was here. His supporters like to point to the Patriots 3 SB wins. He was a glorified waterboy for win #1. He was a DB coach for win number #2. The QB coach of a 2 time winning QB for win #3. And the fourth SB appearance? He displayed the the same faults that he did in Denver. Use the same offensive plays over and over again even though it was clear to everyone the D had figured them out 3 quarters ago. The Denver offense couldn’t run worth a spit after dominating the league for years and the passing game was built on bubble screens thrown 30+ times a game.
And that 6-0 stretch in 2009? A mirage. Go back and look at the offensive drives in those first few games. Orton played like crap in Cincinnati. Know why Stokely caught a tipped ball? Orton threw into triple coverage and the D guys alligator armed it. The offense didn’t have a start-on-the-20-score-a-TD drive until week 4! We were living off of the turn overs the D was generating. The best the team played was the second half of the Dallas game that year and the Patriot game. We went into a bye week. Plenty of teams had lots of game tape by then and he NEVER adjusted the offense. Same.Thing.That.Happened.In.The.Superbowl.
The one shining thing he did in Denver was sign Brian Dawkins. That’s it. What else did he do here that makes you think he’ll be a great coach somewhere else?
Now Josh may change after his public humiliation in Denver but I doubt it. He was (and still is IMO) a punk. Don’t kid yourself, McDaniels and Culter have a lot in common…..lots of potential that will be dwarfed by ego.
And speaking of Cutler….it is not generally considered that Denver fleeced Chicago in the trade outside of MileHighReport today. Maybe when the team was 6-0. Maybe when the team ended up at 8-8. But heard very few folks outside of Denver claiming that they ‘won’ the trade at the end of this year. At best it’s a push. None of the draft picks we got in the trade have turned into great players. In fact, it looks like we reached for Moreno, Thomas is injury prone, Ayers is getting better but we could have had Orkapo (who is already in the top 100 player lists sigh) and I don’t know what the heck we have we Tebow. Hate on Cutler all you want, but his team wasn’t picking at #2 last year and even if he kills the Bears in big games don’t count on them picking in the top 10 next year either. The Broncos could very well be looking at top 5 pick next year if Timmy the Wonder Boy doesn’t work out.
by AtomicLeo on Jul 6, 2011 5:44 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Good Points, Leo
When you look at the first 6 games of 09, the 6-0 start is really shakey. Brandon Marshall willed the team to victory over the Cowboys and the Patriots. Stokely’s miracle grab in week one was completely luck. Our record could quite easily have been 3-3 going into the bye. The only teams we beat convicingly in that stretch were the lowly Browns and the even lowlier Raiders. I feel mirage desribes the 09 start very well.
Ive never really been a huge supporter or McD...
But if your gonna point fingers you have to point them to ever one that’s at fault fir the down fall of the Broncos. It wasn’t only McD. Like you said, he had the thinnest resume, so who’s fault is it that gave him too much power? Power he couldn’t handle. The man was a genious at the passing game and I think your hatred for him is over shadowing the facts.
by broncs27 on Jul 6, 2011 6:25 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
McD is excellent in the passing game and also with QB development. Anything else? Nope, not from his short stint here. If you really looking at the facts, they tell you he is either a QB coach or only a half decent O coordinator.
NOTHING about his resume or 2 year run in Denver points to a good HC candidate. McD’s ST, defense and running game were abysmal in Denver. So how would that point to him being primed for major HC success in his future?
The Lockout bores me.
I think he'll be a great HC someday.
The guy is like a sponge the way he absorbs the game. He was just best with the passing game since he had spent the most time with it. I can’t imagine anyone not giving him an A for effort during his time with us. My kool-aid hangover has finally just about worn off, and I’m able to admit he wasn’t ready for the position we gave him, but I’m always going to cling to the idea that he’s ahead of the game and can foresee where it’s going. He gave us some great players to prepare for that future, and was able to study other teams and understand exactly what they were going to do. Remember he Indy game when he was so livid that he was calling their plays and we weren’t stopping them? Stuff like that just happens. Even when we were playing the Raiders for the first time with Shanny, they kept their signals so he actually knew the EXACT play they were running and couldn’t stop them. I fully believe McD has the intelligence, resilience and determination to make it someday. And his Broncos experience will be a big part of the sponge that helps him achieve it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s still way too soon and I’m glad we made the decision to get rid of him no matter how angry I was when it happened. But I still see the greatness in him that someday might just rear its head.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 6, 2011 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
McG...
Im not saying he’s going to be a good head coach at all. All im saying is that if the fingers are going to be pointed at who’s fault the downfall of the Broncos it should be pointed at Bowlen and Xanders as well. Bowlen had said he gave Shanny too much power and wasn’t going to give the next coach that kinda of power. Instead he hires McD and gives him the exact power Shanny had. If he would’ve stuck true to his word McD wouldn’t of have signed Jarvis or LeKevin or anyone else that flopped. He should’ve let Xanders do his job.
Again just saying the finger needs to be pointed to more than just McHoody.
by broncs27 on Jul 6, 2011 9:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
We all agree on this point. I hate Joe Ellis more than anyone else at Dove Valley. Including McD.
The Lockout bores me.
I don't hate him...I hate that I know OF him.
He should be a behind-the-scene’s guy we never hear from.
Based on a hunch. Call me out if he fails in his next HC gig.
I am allowed to have hunches and McD seems smart enough to have gained valuable experience in his failed time here and to use it to succeed next time.
Great post. I’m 100% with you on McD. He is vastly overrated by many at MHR.
I don’t agree on Cutler. I’m glad he is getting paid $15MM by someone else. I bet Chicago wishes they had that trade back. Not Denver and that is how you determine a trade winner. McD wasted the draft bounty, but it’s hard to say we lost the deal because of that. A better drafter would have made the Cutler trade look like a debacle for Chicago.
Imagine if we’d taken Clay Matthews instead of Ayers and Tebow instead of D Thomas. We’d have also had 4 more 2 to 4th round picks in 2010 that would have addressed spots like DT, LB and TE.
The Lockout bores me.
Very nice write up
I feel close to you in almost everything.. and including the 2011 season, althought I don’t know if I should too.
I bleed Orange & Blue.
Great job Zappa....I had the same journey as yours with Kyle Orton!
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
+1
I went from a total collapse during Tebow pick (on my knees screaming at the TV that we have Orton, why do we need a quarterback in the 1st round) to a total Tebownhead. Hell he even made me break my rule about never buying a Bronco’s jersey before he’s a “proven” starter.
None of us go out and play for stats. You just do whatever you can to help the team out. -- Eddie Royal
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Jul 6, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
I too broke that rule.
I only own an Elway jersey and a Tebow jersey. Part of me doesn’t like wearing the Tebow jersey though because he isn’t proven…then he runs for a 40 yd TD and I put it on. :)
I'd point to Shanhan trading up to get Cutler as the downfall.
Plummer was just coming off his best year and had one of the best offenses in the NFL that year—top 5 actually. Plummer did have a rocky post season, but he deserved a second chance to show what he could do in the playoffs. Instead of giving Plummer another reasonable shot, Shanhan drafts Jay Cutler. Not just drafts the guy, but trades up to get him. It was clear the broncos didn’t need a QB. You would figure Shanhan would draft a d-linemen in the first round after letting Trevor Pryce walk. That was by far one of the worst managment decisions Shanhan ever made. Who lets their best d-linemen in their prime walk? Sure Shanhan brought in Bailey, but really, between letting go Pryce and drafting Moss and Tim Crowder in the same draft….I would say that over shadows that move. Those decisions right there is the reason why the broncos have had agruable the worst defense in NFL history.
In addition, Shanhan and Mcdainels did a real number during their dictator roles on this franchise. The only thing that was keeping the team from not getting a top 5 pick after 05 was the fact that the broncos played in one of the worst divisons in the NFL. Really all the broncos had to beat, was the Chargers and they were in the playoffs. Also, I would even say that getting blown out by the Chargers in 08 at the end of the season was worse than getting hammered by the raiders last year. It was a Monday night game and really a playoff game. Everyone in the country was watching that game. It was embrassing.
Same argument could be made for drafting Tebow.
If a QB is talented, they wouldn’t falter and be threatened. Look how Elway crushed the hopes and dreams of Tommy Maddox. :)
But Orton didn't take the broncos to an AFC Championship
In fact, Orton pulled a Jay Cutler, where he gave up a big divisonal lead and was crushed in the last game of the year. Who would have predicted that happening two years in a row with different QBs and head coaches? lol
by tiderfootball09 on Jul 6, 2011 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
haha, good point.
My laugh was not a happy one…I love me some Jake Plummer and I do consider him to be an above average QB compared to Orton’s below average QB standing – but still, he was no franchise Super Bowl caliber, big game winning QB.
Great article except finding the scooby doo morality
Great article. Was fun to read.
Side story: I dated this girl who had a crazy mom. The mom thought that every good book or news article should have a moral to the story. Infact, we would talk about something topical and she would ask, “well, what is the moral to the story?” Maybe crazy is the wrong word.
Back to your article. You delete the sentence about how Al Wilson’s demise is a positive and you have something really solid.
Your argument:
I think your saying your glad we lost Al Wilson because it had a significant negative effect on the team, which in turn caused some significant poor choices, which lead to some terrible years, which lead to yet more change, which brings us to our current, hopefully bright, future.
Logic says you dont have to take a step back to take two forward.
Another side note: Learning life’s lesson by listening to the lyrics of songs isn’t found in any of the great self improvement books. Therefore, it just CAN’T be a good idea.
Logic says you can handle adversity in many ways, including making the best possible choices over and over to overcome your new adversity and eventually succeed by doing it.
Other facts according to myself:
1) McD will not be a successful head coach. He doesn’t have the personality to lead.
2) Orton will be successful somewhere. When he gets a multi-threat offense and a solid defense to keep games close.
3) Shanahan was fired because he couldn’t pick talent and insisted on being the GM and coach. So he was hired in Washington to be coach only, and not GM. Bowlen should have fired Shanny the GM and hired the best GM possible. I think Shanahan is still an excellent coach.
4) Plummer and Griese didn’t have the arm strength to make those 4th qtr throws that win games.
5) Cutler, as much as I hate the guy, really did tear a ligament in his knee I believe. Forgive the guy for sitting out the 4th qtr.
he's tall, blonde, smokes a cigar, and he's a pig!
My logic was silver linings.
I would have loved to have kept Big Al healthy, but the silver lining is that his demise ended up being a positive thing for the organization….FIVE YEARS LATER. ;)
The moral of my story is, It’ ain’t all bad. :P

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