Denver Broncos News - Horse Tracks - 7/8/11

by Tim Lynch on Jul 8, 2011 7:36 AM MDT in Horse Tracks

Kyle Orton Vs. Tim Tebow: Battle Of Denver Broncos Quarterbacks - SB Nation Denver
Which quarterback will be the Denver Broncos' quarterback in 2011? Tim Tebow may have the upper hand over Kyle Orton after recent comments by head coach John Fox.

Q&A: Broncos are prepared for a flurry of free-agent activity - The Denver Post
As the league and the players continue to negotiate toward a new collective bargaining agreement, one of the key components as the season approaches is free agency.

Delhomme To Drive Denver’s Young QB? " Predominantly Orange
The position that sits in the spotlight for the Denver Broncos is none other than at quarterback. Head coach John Fox has maintained that there will be a fair competition between Tim Tebow and Kyle Orton for the starting job.

Sharpe loses grandmother - The Denver Post
Mary Porter was raising nine of her own children in a tiny home in the country outside Glennville, Ga., when she learned her daughter in Chicago needed help.

Owners, NFLPA meet in N.Y., push for end to lockout - The Denver Post
Members of the NFL Players Association executive board and team owners met for hours Thursday at a law firm in Manhattan, hoping another push could finally resolve the labor lockout that began in March.

Paige: Broncos coach John Fox wants "gamer" as his quarterback - The Denver Post
John Fox maintained Thursday afternoon that the Broncos will have a "wide-open competition" at quarterback, but admitted, for the first time publicly, that "deep down, I have an idea" who will be No. 1 when the season starts.

Player, union chief set high standards - The Denver Post
John Mackey revolutionized the tight end position, his incomparable ability to catch passes off the line of scrimmage helping to usher the NFL into the pass-happy modern era.

Colts Hall of Famer John Mackey dies at age 69 - The Denver Post
BALTIMORE — John Mackey, a Hall of Fame tight end and former president of the NFL Players Association who struggled with dementia after his playing career, has died. He was 69.

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Tebow doesn't need Delhomme as a mentor, he has Elway

I can’t believe some of the stuff that makes it into print, but the article on the Broncos picking up Delhomme to mentor Tebow is really thin, meaning based upon very limited information. Elway is a better mentor for Tebow than Delhomme and the Delhomme-Fox connection isn’t enough to justify the move. DeAngelo Williams or a lineman from Carolina is a better possibility than picking up Delhomme. Keeping Orton is a better possibility than picking up Delhomme.

Orton, Tebow, Quinn, may the best man win!

by OrangeandBluesBros on Jul 8, 2011 8:32 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs

agreed 100%

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
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by Broncotodd on Jul 8, 2011 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions

Prayers are with the Sharpe and Mackey families!

Welcome back coach! Way to make a splash after your vacation :)

We are returning to a zone blocking scheme and that makes me a happy camper. KM should have better success in that system. I think this makes resigning Harris even more important, as he has experience in this system.

He scared me a bit with saying that a FA RB is the number 1 priority, but I’m sure he means “offensive” priority….DT is first.

Thanks for the tracks!

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
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by Broncotodd on Jul 8, 2011 8:41 AM MDT reply actions

bring it on, jake.

i’ll drive the delhomme bandwagon. IF the broncos trade orton, delhomme would be one of my first choices to bring in. this is a guy who’s been there, even up to playing brilliantly in the superbowl. he’s also by all accounts a great teammate who would be nothing but a positive in tebow’s development. he’d be a perfect fit.

that said… i don’t think orton’s going anywhere at this point.

by oxmouth on Jul 8, 2011 8:57 AM MDT reply actions

Thanks for the Tracks!

I like that Fox said they won’t be bringing in a 4th QB for TC competition, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t trading Kyle and then procuring a(nother) third QB…..

Agree with OBB up top, that Elway is by far a better mentor for Tebow than Delhomme… But also have to agree with Ox, in that if We do trade Orton, he wouldn’t be bad at all for the team…. I just have a hard time seeing, with so many QB needful teams, that he’d land here.

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jul 8, 2011 10:09 AM MDT reply actions

Most "sophosticated" running team in the league? I wonder what that's supposed to mean

Hey Woody… You had TWO AND A HALF HOURS with the guy. There’s a couple nice tidbits in there, but is that it?!?

1. What’s the depth chart at TE look like? Does Fox expect more from Green or Thomas for this first year? Is four TEs a realistic possibility? If we only keep three TEs, is it more likely to have two “receiving” TEs, or two “blocking” TEs?

2. What about linebacker? Is there any consideration to bringing in a quality MLB in FA? What does he think are the chances Joe Mays starts at linebacker? Who’s going to wear the ‘green dot’?

3. Um, Ryan Harris? Why is it that you cracker heads haven’t asked ANYTHING about Harris in like six months? How about finding out whether he’s a priority and then asking… why he’s not a priority??

4. Defensive Tackle? Wow, Fox got off really easy there. Did he mean to say that RB is the #1 FA priority on offense, or overall? This is the area to spend time questioning him. Bring up actual names of free agents and ask him about it. Ask him what the chances are of bringing in a “top-tier” DT. Ask how many we plan to buy.

5. What about Little Vick’s weight? Was he aware that 321 pound Big Vick dropped to 285 pounds? Did he order that weight change? Did he condone it? Why?

6. Safety. How many safeties does he prefer on the roster…. which should lead into saying someone has to go. Ask if restructuring Dawkins’ contract is on the table. And if Hill is still at the top of the depth chart at FS.

7. He told you what the #1 prioty in FA is, follow it up by asking the #2… Is he looking at OL? And on defense, is he looking at DE, a backup for the strong side?

Woody failed unless there’s more to come.

"I’ve never been so blindsided," Bannan said. " I did my job. I gave it everything I had. It broke my heart. …it really came as quite a shock, and it’s very upsetting to me and my family... "I love Baltimore. I still keep in contact with a lot of guys back there. They’re family to me, the Ravens organization is family to me. So that’s a definite possibility."

It's time to stop trying to make Bannan happen. He's not coming back.
Von. Doom. Pow!

by Rodney A on Jul 8, 2011 11:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs

He failed

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by KaptainKirk on Jul 8, 2011 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions

I emailed him four of those questions (re-worded, of course ;)

Hopefully he has some more answers

It's time to stop trying to make Bannan happen. He's not coming back.
Von. Doom. Pow!

by Rodney A on Jul 8, 2011 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions

As he usually does...Some might call him a 'half-wit'?

Open-ended and lose connections, some might even consider him electrifying-short…

by bfree2bronc on Jul 8, 2011 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions

also, is a sophisticated running game desirable? how about a naive running game that just bashes the crap out of people and opens monstrous gaping holes? maybe fox just means that they’ll be nibbling crumpets and reading edith wharton novels outside of practice. (no knock on edith wharton either—give me that over henry james any day…)

by oxmouth on Jul 8, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions

lol

Guess that means tea and cookies will be replacing the Gatorade?

My guess is that it has something to do with Tebow running.

It's time to stop trying to make Bannan happen. He's not coming back.
Von. Doom. Pow!

by Rodney A on Jul 8, 2011 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions

sign me up for that. really though, i don’t care if we’re sophisticated or ignorant, smashmouth or finesse—just move the dang ball 7x better than mcD & co did on the ground.

actually, wait. i’m still not sure i want ‘finesse’…

by oxmouth on Jul 8, 2011 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions

sort of the slingblade of running games?

You are onto something Ox…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 8, 2011 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions

mm. reckon you make me some biscuits.

by oxmouth on Jul 9, 2011 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions

I have a theory on the sophisticated comment, Vodney...

I won’t waste too much time on it here, but the guts of it would essentially be McD’s plays combined with Fox’s(Magazu’s) blocking assignments and techniques.

I keep saying this, but it keeps getting dismissed as a McDanielan bogeyman, the blocking schemes we were running in the pass and run game last year were utterly fascinating. Put on any game starting in week 4 and just watch the OL, WRs, backs and TEs blocking…. It is unlike anything I have ever seen before (not true, but when was the last time you saw Wing-T in the NFL??

The days of the zoneblocking scheme being the ultimate innovation have passed, and the next “big thing” is right around the corner. I think McD took a stab at it, but tried to stay true to a lot of the patriots concepts he cut his teeth on, with way too much of a focus on the passing games lateral field element (Foxy won’t have this issue…his hegemony has everything subordinate to setting up the long pass), and as a result of “not majoring” in it, didn’t dedicate enough effort to it.

Your instinct is right on, I think, Vodney. The critical components of the sophisticated running game Foxy is talking about? How about multiple pulling OL, 3 RBs (TEs in the backfield qualify…and so does a running QB), and deep fakes run to the second level, both running and passing. It requires stud athletes on the OL, smart, agile, and unlike pure ZBers, these guys need to be closer to a Zimmerman than a Lepsis or a Hamilton. Also note that we aren’t talking abut option or wildhorses fufu here. The DNA of the scheme is much deeper than that, to the point that a QB like Orton, not regarded as a running QB could still run it and run it well, though with a couple of caveats regarding designed runs directly off the snap…that isn’t his cup of tea.

I could talk about this stuff all day, but I’ll leave it there for now, and just say that I absolutely agree with Foxy on this one, if he is talking about what I have been suspecting…we will certainly have a very sophisticated running game, that will be tremendously difficult for defenses to adapt to in the front-7.

Change your opinions, keep to your principles; change your leaves, keep intact your roots.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 8, 2011 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions

also

regardless of what we run, sophistication in the running game is usually synonymous with “misdirection.” Lots of fakes, QB turning his back to the defense, etc.

Change your opinions, keep to your principles; change your leaves, keep intact your roots.

by Jeremy Bolander on Jul 8, 2011 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions