Broncos @ Cowboys: Preseason Notebook
Last year I started a new series here on MHR where I shared my extensive note-taking during games, and I am planning on continuing that this year. These are simply off the cuff observations of things that oftentimes go unnoticed, or I describe certain plays or situations to help us understand them better.
Typically I organize these notes as a sort of abbreviated play-by-play, but I'm always interested in better ways to present the info, so the format will change, sometimes significantly.
Like a lot of you, it feels like the wait for this game has been a long time in the making, despite the fact that its hasn't been any longer than any other time. With that said, I have to say how great it was to really see these guys for the first time, and to see them competing hard. 8 pages of notes later, I feel like I am finally getting a grasp on how this whole shivaree is going to shake out.
Without further ado, lets start breaking things down.
Starting Offense
- 1st thing that stands out to me is the first play of the game, with Cassius Vaughn back to return kicks. With Royal out for the game, this indicates just how far Vaughn has come since last year, as the starting return man behind Royal. Of course, excepting 1 or 2 plays over the course of the game, kickoffs are non-impact plays at this point, and that will likely project into the season...
- Knowshon Moreno: Number one offensive need was a running game, and it sure looks like that could be addressed this year. Knowshon could have a huge impact in that area, and tonight he showed several reasons why. After breaking a tackle on his first run he would go on to make a defender miss for a first down, and then continues on another play to evade a tackler with a spin move against the Cowboys' Shawn Lee, followed by dragging two more defenders with him for the 1st. And he wasn't done, breaking an arm tackle on the following play. Add in production as a checkdown option and pass blocking on the drive and KM is showing he can carry his share of the load. If you have been watching him as long as I have, you know that the start of his Denver career has been the anomaly, where he didn't look as quick or elusive as you know he can be. It is clearer than ever to me that when healthy, he can be the back Denver drafted him to be, an all around, slippery and difficult to bring down runner, with great effort.
- Starting OL: Overall they were much improved, with the only real boner they pulled being Franklin missing the backside cut of Marcus Spears in a running formation. That ended with the only tackle for loss on the first drive. It isn't the most difficult of a block, and it really looked like it was just a miscommunication between Franklin and Kuper.
- Daniel Fells: Fells got the start at TE and was primarily a blocker. Nothing major to report here except that he was not often a priority target on these reps, unlike Julius Thomas, who we will talk about a little later. The one play drawn up for him was the 3rd and long play down in the redzone, where Denver was looking to get him matched up against a LB. Denver got that matchup, but Fells wasn't even close to being open. Orton extended that play against a 3 man rush and finally took a shot at Lloyd crossing the back of the endzone for an incomplete. When Fells gets that matchup, he needs to get separation.
- Eric Decker: Decker got one chance to really shine, in a trips formation. Against a heavy blitz he settled into a soft spot in the zone and presented his numbers to Orton as a good option. Those are the small things that get you targets. Orton finds him with a nice throw for the first down.
- Willis McGahee: After carrying 2 cowboys on his back with some tough running, McGahee stumbles out of the gates on the next play, but key blocks by Clady and Lloyd allow him the time he needs to get his feet back under him and rumble for the first down. A great example of the way that the team as a whole can overcome small errors, if everyone just sticks with it. I'm reminded of how often I saw unfinished plays left on the field last year.
- Goal to go: Denver opened their red zone package with a passing set, with Orton placing a ball in the corner of the endzone on a fade route. Tight coverage closed the window on the play, but I still like this kind of call. Don't wait until you are desperate for a play to try to get your best offensive playmaker involved. I think we can all agree that Lloyd has earned first dibs if he wants them. What is interesting is that Denver followed up this play with a huge substitution package, literally, bringing in 2 TEs a RB and a FB. This led to a miscommunication where Lloyd didn't leave the huddle, and Denver was charged with an illegal substitution. Because this created 3rd and very long, out goes the heavy package and in comes the 5WR set, with Fells lining up at WR. See above for the breakdown on that play. The final play in this goalline series is a designed rollout against max coverage. The movement of the play is designed to buy time until someone, in this case #17 Britt Davis, is able to creep along the back and get open. Davis doesn't get open here, and Orton throws it away.
Starting Defense
- Joe Mays: A little good and a little bad with Mays. First he opens the defense with a great stack and shed, primarily hand technique, and makes a solid pop on the runner in the hole. It has been a long time since I have seen good tackle shedding and that was as good as it gets. Unfortunately, a few plays later he has a clean shot at Felix Jones in the hole, and misses the tackle, allowing Jones to get a 1st down against the secondary. I think this will be Mays' game for a while, big ups followed by big downs. Hopefully we'll eventually get the consistency there that we need. Likewise Mays gets beat on a screen pass later, and then follows that up with solid coverage in a max coverage play. He got singled out on that one after Romo had time in the pocket (one of Romo's greatest strengths as a passer is finding the weak links on a defense to target), but played it close enough to prevent the completion.
- Wesley Woodyard: Woodyard struggled a bit, getting beat on the same screen pass that Mays had trouble with, but he showed his typical ability to be around the ball when he helped Marcus Thomas finish off a solid stop in the running game. Overall Woodyard allowed two completions on the weakside.
- Marcus Thomas: Thomas actually rotated all through the first half, so he is more what you might call a priority starter, as opposed to a true starter. I think most packages that Fox wants to run will involve Thomas knifing up the field, and then getting rest as needed, possibly deferring later running downs in each half to fresher defenders. We'll see how that goes throughout the season, but for now, He was solid in the middle and made contact in the backfield on a couple of occasions. He didn't finish any of those plays off, which is why he wasn't a priority free-agent around the league this offseason. But with speedy LBs right behind him, his impact should be felt.
- Zone Blitz: ZB was mixed in with a lot of nickle and monster (safety) blitzes throughout the day. For the starters, Von dropped into coverage on one, allowing a completion behind him and in front of Dawkins, and he blitzed hard on one, which we will cover below.
- 3rd and Long: Denver got a 3rd and long opportunity to shut down the drive, and they brought a full blitz, with cover 4 behind them. Of interest is that Champ now lines up in the slot when the nickle package is on the field, while Cassius Vaughn earned the start as the nickle back, and lined up over the same side WR as Champ was on. Tremendous use of Champ's skills here, and should pay off down the road when he is in the mix on the traffic side of the field... On the blitz, it was the inside pressure from Dawk and the DTs that ended up rushing the pass and forcing the incompletion and FG.
- Rahim Moore: We didn't hear his name a lot, which is a good thing, but when I was watching Rahim, I was surprised by how fast he looks in Orange and Blue. He has great range, and it is no wonder he supplanted McBath for 1st team reps
Tebow Time
- It was great for me to finally get to see Tebow this season with my own eyes, and a lot of things came into perspective watching him. His development this offseason comes down to Key Point Number One and Key Point Number Two, which I will discuss below.
- Key Point Number One: Reads: Tebow has got to work through all of his progressions. The biggest hang up I had watching him in this game was that he almost never went past his first read. He still had completions, but this is a great study for why not all completions are equal. Several of his completions were very quick throws. We shouldn't begreduge these much as the play may have called for it. The deep pass to Willis on the playfake on the second drive is a good example of this, and a well thrown ball. But it should be noted that this was a "no-read" play: Tebow knows at the snap whether he is going to make the throw or run, so despite the plays production, it lends nothing to the development of his ability to go through a progression. Another completion was a nice screen to Ball, where Tebow did a fantastic job of pulling in the defense and pulling the trigger at the right time (although he took a shot for his efforts). But again, this is a "no-read" play, and isn't helping his progressions. Later on a 3rd and 5, he makes one read and then takes off running. This one also fits under decision-making, but we will put it here. Tebow will learn that in the NFL, 3rd and 4 is really the last favorable distance that can be converted consistently with a run. And as luck would have it, he came up with only 4 yards, as the LBs and safeties converged quickly. "One read and run" is a situational play, and will be successful on occasion, but it can't be a QB's bread and butter.
- Key Point Number Two: Accuracy: There are actually two components here, with one being a decision about where to throw, or placement, and the other being actual accuracy. Since we can't know what Tim is thinking, we'll file them under the same category for now. One example of this is 3rd and 11 on Tebow's second drive. Tebow gets man to man coverage and looks for Willis. It is a quick route and a quick throw, and the key to the 3rd down conversion is placement of the ball. Because it is low and behind Willis, he has to slow down right at the marker in order to drag the pass in, which he does a great job of doing, but he is a yard short for the 1st down. If Tebow puts that pass on the numbers for Willis, or better yet, a hair in front of him, Willis catches it at the marker with momentum, and possibly can get turned upfield (against man to man this is very likely) and outrun everyone for a TD. This resulted in a FG. Later, Tebow makes a back foot throw on 3rd and 7 to Anderson, leading him into a group of defenders. The high ball means Anderson has to jump ball to get it, and he paid for the catch, hard. He came off the field after that play, but got the 1st down. One can argue it is a productive throw, and it was, but the how of it is just as important, and throws cannot be consistently completed that way. It leads to gunshy or dead receivers and a lack of trust. On another play a couple of drives later he successfully extends a play with his feet only to bury the ball at Davis' feet. Footwork, again mixed with decision-making really seems to be at the heart of the accuracy issue, as Tim was always backpedaling on those throws, or leaving his feet as he passed. This isn't something that should be beaten into or out of him, it is just a nuance he will pick up as he continues to transition out of his spread game. There is a time and a place for the difficult throws, but whenever you can, set yourself up for success with a good base.
- Great Throws: Tebow had his share of nice tosses too. The playaction to Willis I mentioned earlier is one. His first pass of the game was another. It looks like a short, inaccurate, high pass at first glance, that Anderson somehow manages to reel in, but it is actually a very difficult throw that Tim puts a deft touch on. The problem is the DE coming free off the corner. He can do a lot of things, especially leaving his feet to bat down the pass. Tebow snuck it around him as well as could be done, while giving his receiver a chance at the ball.
- Tebow will be Tebow: On 3rd and 18, against a 3 man rush Tebow takes off immediately. On this play, this was really the best decision, as the max coverage is going to make a completion very difficult. Of course he puts his shoulder down and gets pounded on, and at 18 yards, that conversion just isn't in the cards. This is followed by a punt. Later, on a 3rd and goal, against a 3-man rush, Tebow dashes around like a #7 I recall fondly, spinning away, stiffarming a defender, running across the field to the far side, finally throwing up the ball...all for naught. One illegal downfield pass penalty, one illegal block in the back penalty and one illegal man downfield penalty later, the Broncos are kicking the FG on 4th down. I firmly believe that someday we are going to cheer a play like that as it brings home the critical win. That day is not today.
Second String Offense
- Lance Ball and Lendale White: Ball looked decent overall, starting off his day with a tackle for loss (missed block by Julius Thomas), following up with another short run (another missed block by Thomas). White rotated in with him, and picked up a few yards, but wasn't a standout either. Both players are capable of rotational production behind the starters, but I don't think there is a very high ceiling here if we start seeing injuries. As we will see a little later, there are flashes from harder running players behind them that interest me far more. Ball had one illegal shift with Anderson at one point that turned a 3rd and 5 into a 3rd and 11 and White took a holding penalty on a late throw by Tebow at the end of the first half.
- Second String OL: These guys really struggled to start out. I had a little trouble keeping up with who was who at first, but I clearly saw missed blocks by Ramirez and Hochstein on that first Tebow drive.Later on the second drive Daniels took a turn at struggling on a White run, getting stood up vertical. Ramirez was making the lowlight reel again on the final drive of the half, getting blown up on a Ball run for no gain. Hochstein got abused like a rented Bronco twice, and had some difficulty with a couple of snaps. Clark got nailed for a hold that cost the Broncos a TD and backed them up into an eventual FG. Overall this group is less than inspiring, but seeing them all play at once is the least of our worries. The key is how well they can step in in an emergency.
- Julius Thomas: After losing himself on some runblocks on his first drive, The Broncos gave him another chance to start out his second drive, and he showed that he is a fast learner. Ball picks up 5 yards running hard behind a good Thomas block on the first play, and then Thomas and Ball combine for some excellent communication and two great blocks in pass protection in a heavy wing formation playfake (the deep throw to Willis in the first half). Thomas wasn't getting open in the passing game, but I think he is showing a spark of competitiveness that can be built on here. I really like the development tack that Fox is taking with Thomas: not too fast, not too slow.
- David Anderson: Anderson really made an impression on me, and the thought that kept jumping into my mind was that he could be a poor man's replacement for Stokley. He consistently presented a good target, he has good hands, he is tough and is willing to hang onto the tough catches. He was getting open against zone regularly, which is the coverage of choice for most teams on 3rd down. I really think that Anderson could add a special element to our 4 and 5 WR sets on 3rd down, especially 3rd and long. He seems to have a really good feel for where he needs to be that helps the team the most. He got dinged on one pass from Tebow, but he looked to have walked it off. I'll be keeping an eye on him going forward.
Second String Defense
- Second string defense and third string defense are really cross-populated, so don't be surprised if I separate the guys out in weird ways.
- Defensive Line: The dropoff between our first and second string DTs is hardly noticeable, an idea the cuts both ways, good and bad. Vickerson was nabbed for an early encroachment (followed immediately by Harvey with the same) but it was good to see these guys fighting upfield instead of giving ground. Go down fighting is something I can get behind. The run defense overall was solid all game, and is really the one solid promise I have heard Fox make all offseason. I think I'm starting to believe him. Jarmon was getting involved in several plays, and Warren broke through the line several times. Rotation is everything here, and Thomas popped up a time or two in this group as well. I'm also starting to understand why we brought in so many DEs. the two DE spots behind Ayers and DOOM are anything but settled, though it looks like Hunter is going to pin one down if he can keep the effort up. Jarmon also looks to be making a solid push. Vickerson batted down another pass, something he was in the habit of doing last time I saw him. I think what we lack in big plays from this line we are going to make up for with consistency, no small thing.
- Mario Haggan: between STs and 2nd and 3rd string defense, Haggan had a busy evening. He looks pretty good behind our new stable of DTs, filling gaps nicely. He just looks a little big back there, and struggled keeping up with the passes. But as tweeners go, he looked ok. They were quick to drop him for Nate Jones in a sort of heavy nickle formation, and he got caught on a couple of bad angles, and two missed tackles that I counted. I am racking my brain for situations where he will be a consistent contributor, but I'm having a hard time coming up with anything. I can't see the Broncos keeping him solely for STs or leadership. This is going to be a tough choice...
- Nate Jones and Kyle McCarthy: Jones played a lot on both 2nd and 3rd team defense as the nickle back, and in a nickle safety role. He struggled in several places, and alongside him, McCarthy also had several gaffes. As the Cowboys were pressuring the redzone in the 3rd quarter, McCarthy showed the limit to his range and Jones showed a bad decision when he gave the WR too much room in front of him. McCarthy couldn't close the resulting gap quick enough and a 1st down pass dropped in between them easily. Later in the same drive, in goalline, Dallas ran a naked bootleg with 3 WRs running routes. McGee picked through his 1st and second read and finally zipped it into the 3rd guy, beating Jones, McBath and McCarthy on the play. They didn't do a good enough job as a group reading the flow on the play, and as a result were all drifting away from the 3rd option, getting sucked up by the QB.
- McBath and Carter: Like Jones and McCarthy, McBath and Carter were not communicating well in the backfield. A good example of this was the TD given up in the 4th quarter. On an all out blitz McBath starts out from a cover one spot, which is a deep centerfield posiiton. Seeing the open TE he starts to come up, over where Carter is sitting on the slot. In trying to take away the middle, McBath basically gets run over as Carter corrals the TE right into him, breaking the TE open and resulting in a long YAC TD. Good effort by Vaughn to get downfield on the play, but too little too late.
- Cassius Vaughn: Besides starting kick returner and starting nickle back, Vaughn also got a ton of reps as the main second string CB. He got enough reps to see a few bad ones, but overall he did a great job. He forced three incompletions on one drive, then allowed a tough catch for a first down on another drive. Watching when he has success and when he struggles, it is clear that he plays best when he gets up on the receiver and works to disrupt the route. Subpar Steelers corners played like that for years with a great degree of success, and I think it is a model that should work well for Vaughn. His turn and run just isn't elite enough to keep up with most WRs, but if he can be disruptive, he can control the route and give the safeties time to key the play (not to mention help the pass rush on quick outlets). He did pick up a personal foul for upending the QB out of bounds, but seeing it live, I was willing to give him a pass on that one... get after that QB!
- Perrish Cox: Cox had second string punt return duties, and made a really difficult fair catch on a short punt surrounded by Cowboys that required diving forward to snag it. He also had the only INT in the game, a nifty snag in man-to-man coverage with a terrific return that set the Broncos up nicely with 1st and goal. He had a couple of good defensive plays, including a blanket coverage in tandem with Carter later in the game on a play action fake that forced an incompletion on a dangerous play.
Best of the Rest
- Brady Quinn: I thought Quinn did a pretty good job. He is clearly a refined passer, with good velocity, timing, footwork and accuracy, but he had troubles despite this, including having a pass batted down, tripping while handing off the ball, bad center snap exchange. However he still managed to make something of several of these less than desirable situations. He made several perfect throws in addition, including a nicely placed deep ball to Mark Dell, several nice tosses to Eron Riley, one of which was a perfect pass zipped into the backline of the endzone, placed where only the receiver could get it. Overall I thought Brady had perhaps the most solid performance, with the lesser weapons, but also the lesser defense to challenge him.
- Mark Dell: He made a terrific catch on a long ball from Quinn, taking a big hit as he came down, and keeping his feet. He still had enough sense to get turned up field for a little YAC afterwards too. Very nice play. Later he got dinged and had to leave the field, so hopefully he is ok.
- Jeremiah Johnson: I don't know what he needs to do in practice to move up to second string reps, but he did what he needed in this game . Hard running marked his performance throughout the day, including one first down that he gained after getting hit by three defenders. His best play was one where he went relatively untouched however, as he showed tremendous speed and agility cutting through a small hole in a weakside zone play that was beautifully blocked. He streaked into the endzone standing up.
- Matthew Willis: I probably should have mentioned him up with second string offense, but Willis is looking more and more like a vet everyday. I only saw him make one mistake, and while he had several good grabs, a highlight play for me was the illegal pass/scramble from Tebow where Willis came back to his QB, and then laid out a defender to buy more time as Tebow took off for the other side of the field. One of my favorite things to see from a WR is the ability to find ways to help his QB when the play is breaking down. Normally that comes with time and reps working together, so great instinctual play by Willis here. On Quinn's first drive there was a miscommunication on a go/curl? route with Matthew that ended up incomplete.
- Britt Davis: Davis struggled a bit, twice failing to bring in difficult passes and dropping one ball. That should come with time, and hopefully he gets that time, because he did a pretty good job of getting open.
- Eron Riley: Riley came through several times, inclduing a nice grab on playaction, followed by another tough grab, again on a playfake, with a high velocity toss from Quinn. On the bad snap, Quinn put the perfect pass on Riley in the endzone to take the lead towards the end of the game. Riley got great elevation on the play, and had the concentration to come down in bounds in the back of tee endzone.
- Jeremy Beal: I would have liked to see some pass rush when he was on the field, but he did manage to show some good awareness and speed on STs. Very athletic big guy, he also was a sure tackler. First stop, STs, second stop, the world?
- Lee Robinson: Lee got in one great play, and was MIA that rest of the game. He came up from the SLB spot and put a huge pop on the running back, to force a 3rd and 14. Very noticeable play that should get him a few more reps to show what he has got.
- Braxton Kelley: Kelley was solid all game long, not hurting the team in coverage, and providing good presence stopping the run. A Marcus Thomas hit in the backfield later in the game was cleaned up nicely by Kelley, and for approximately $1.5million less than Woodyard did it for in the first half. :)
- Kyle McCarthy: I know we covered him up above, but I wanted to single him out one more time to point out how similar to Dawkins his play is. They brought him on the monster blitz several times throughout the game, and the Broncos almost always got positive results from those plays. Safety is a tough position to break down, so despite his struggles, I wouldn't write him off yet.
- Brandon Minor: Several good moves in his repertoire, but his running wasn't nearly as productive as Johnson who he was rotating with. He runs like a lighter back, and isn't as quick as he looks like he should be. I would call his evening a bubble performance.
- Virgil Green: Still has a ways to go, caught a nice pass early, but had to push off to get open. I would call it a good play, just in regular grading, since what he did wasn't that serious for a TE. With a little time he can refine that and use a little less arm and a little more body, and that move will be perfectly legal, and very productive. Didn't see him blocking much.
- Brandon Bing: Showed up late in the game on a kick return, caught the ball 3 yards deep and took a chance bringing the ball out. I like that decision, to go big or go home. He had a good runback and got out to the 23 yard line, so he wins that round. I'll be watching for him next week, see what else he is willing to try to make the team...
- Mike Mohamed: Had one great play to start his reps, staying at home on a playaction then doing a textbook breakdown to tackle the checkdown receiver for minimal gain. On the final drive, however, he loses the edge on a running play, then gets cleanly beat by a good throw in man to man coverage, no real chance to make a play. On the 4th down pass for a TD, he and Jones got caught up in coverage and allow an unforgivable completion to lose the game. (Jones was in on the next pass on the 2 point conversion as well...shame, shame.)
- Ronnell Brown: This DT had some ups and downs on that final drive, but overall I would give him a positive grade. He gave up a huge run, getting dominated in his gap by a 3rd string lineman, I'm sure. The result was a huge chunk of yardage to get the scoring drive started. However he responded nicely and started clamping down. On the 1st and goal, on a nickle blitz, he read and reacted well to the called draw to beat the blitz, stopping it for no gain. On the following 3rd and goal, Ronnell and Hunter collapse the pocket, with Hunter getting the sack. On the 4th and goal TD pass, it is Ronnell that makes it into the backfield and hits the QB as he is throwing. Bad coverage from Nate and Mohammed made it an effort for naught though.
If you made it this far, I would like to say thank you for reading and I hope you enjoyed this edition of Broncos Notebook!
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On Tebow's high throw to Anderson
the replay showed Tebow hanging on to the ball ’til the last second before throwing to Anderson. This up the center pressure is probably the main reason that pass was put up a little high.
Great breakdown of the game.
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
I haven't rewatched yet
I’ll be looking at the passes I have marked down as inaccurate, look for some of the nuances like what you are mentioning. Holding the ball too long often leads to all sort of issues with throws…. the good news is he doesn’t seem to have any chronic problems in that area that I noticed. Thanks for reading!
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 2:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Tebow OK but
The Willis catch might have been a long score had it hit the wideout in stride. Another red-zone pass was behind Willis instead of leading him on third down, sending out the field-goal unit.
2nd HELPINGS
THE GAME IS ON AGAIN TODAY.
I just wanted to notify people who may have missed the announcement that NFL TV is replaying it today.
NFL PRESEASON GAME: DEN vs. DAL
The guide shows for my location (8:30 PM MDT).
******* George Santayana described fanaticism as -- "redoubling your effort after you've forgotten your aim"
I have it at 9:30 MT after the Arena game.
It’s pre recorded and I will be keeping a close eye out when the time get’s close while watching the Queefs.
Kudos Jeremy!
Excellent breakdown! You have got the best “eyes” for what is happening on the field as well as the ability to put those views in type for sometimes guys like me who don’t always see the action.
With all the solar flares of late, are you getting any good photos of those Northern Lights?
Its daytime when I go to sleep, and light out when I get up at 4am...lol
I have to stay up pretty late (like tonight) to have any chance of seeing anything cool. I’m kindof a square…early to bed unless I have some sort of project going on….
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 3:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Great breakdown...
compared to my breakdown, I seem to be the poor man’s version of Jeremy Bolander…thanks for all the excellent info!
Just went over to check yours out
looks like we are saying pretty much the same thing! And trust me, we’re both poor man’s Jeremys…lol. Now if I was getting paid by the word….
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 3:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Very much appreciated.
It is really great to read some notes by a guy who obviously knows a lot about the X’s and O’s. Thanks!
Couple of thoughts -
1. great to hear about R. Moore as I didn’t really notice him all game…was wondering.
2. same with DT’s as that’s a hard one for me to track, but I did notice McBean (somebody who wasn’t really touched on) get a great stuff on their RB late in the 2nd half 2. you were pretty easy on N. Jones. It seemed like he was HORRIBLE, but maybe some of those weren’t all his fault?
3. I think you’re spot on comparing Anderson to Stokely, which is a GOOD thing.
4. What’d you think about Franklin’s pass blocking. I posted in another thread that he needs work. He looks great run blocking, but I thought he looked slow pass blocking on a couple of plays.
by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Aug 12, 2011 3:01 AM MDT reply actions
I too thought Nasty Nate was Nasty,
and I do not mean that in a good way. He looked completely lost out there, and from what my room mate and I saw, he looked horrible. I’ll have to watch the game again and pay attention more to see if what i saw the first time was correct or not.
by two days slow on Aug 12, 2011 3:33 AM MDT up reply actions
2A. Mcbean: I forgot to add McBean at the end there… That play during the last drive was a zone run, so he had to read and react, and he did a great job. Big hit on the RB, with Quinton Carter right behind him helping to clean up.
2B. Jones: It is good to resist the urge to assume the closest guy to the ball was the one responsible for coverage, That is often true in man coverage schemes, but in zone, there area lot of factors at play, especially with the safeties. To be totally clear, I think Jones might have lost a spot on the roster, at least as of right now…. I would have to watch again to pin down what he is doing wrong, but my impression was not reacting well to players entering his area of the field, and overating the amount of room he had to work with…too often he was just too late to the play or out of range to make the play. The 2 point conversions was backfield miscommunication and confusion…he is the vet, and that makes it hard to cut him slack like for Carter and McCarthy.
4. I will break down Franklin’s technique during the season, after he has had some time to work with everyone, but for now I would say he was ADEQUATE. Good enough. Keep in mind that when you watch the line as a whole, Franklin is no Ryan Clady, so don’t let the overall flex of the line bother you…Franklin will look slow compared to some of his teammates, it is just how he is built. It’ll take time to break down how much he is helping or hurting them though…
Have courage for the great sorrows of life and patience for the small ones; and when you have laboriously accomplished your daily task, go to sleep in peace.
by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 3:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the thoughts JB.
2B haha….I should preview my posts huh?
Interesting on Nate Jones and it makes total sense. On the touchdown pass he was looking at Mohamed like he blew it. I agree that it’s easy to jump down his throat but in reality you just can’t know what exactly his assignment was in the zone. With Cox possibly leaving who knows, they may just hang onto him.
I’m with you on Franklin, he is a bulldozer for the run game which is exciting. I doubt he will ever be a Cladyesque pass blocker, but he doesn’t need to. He just has to be good and I believe he will develop into that through the year (crossing fingers).
by Mile High ThundaDownUnda on Aug 12, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice job Styg.
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Just want to say thanks for the analysis. Good writing, interesting points.
Also, I agree that it will be a surprise if Jeremiah Johnson doesn’t push into the 2nd string; he seems to have a good motor and the ability to make things happen.
injuries have set him back so far in his career, I believe
might just be seeing him totally healthy for the first time. Love the downhill running. I can’t imagine that Fox of all pwople doesn’t appreciate it as well…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
My co-worker
Broncos fan (again not the one I complain about all the time) says he loves Jeremiah Johnson’s burst. The Cowboys’ stream didn’t to his run justice so perhaps I can watch it another way. Anyway, the Mountain Man is a stud!
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by the new Bradfather on Aug 12, 2011 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Pulling a boner?
What the? Is this a football term?
It's an age thing...a common term back in the day. Got you to think though, didn't it;O)
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by BroncoCUbuffs on Aug 12, 2011 8:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Your guys' first team o-line looked tough.
Granted, we did not have Ratliff, but it looks like the running game may be back in Denver…
Good game, y’all.
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 12, 2011 5:17 AM MDT reply actions
Good game to you Cowboys fan
McGee is a kid I’ve liked for a while.
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by the new Bradfather on Aug 12, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks a lot.
I’ve always liked McGee, a lot of fans hate him. I think with game experience he’ll make reads quicker… He doesn’t make mistakes, which I like…
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by BlueNSilverBlood on Aug 13, 2011 6:55 AM MDT up reply actions
Jeremy,
Excellent write up buddy. This really helps for those of us who were not able to see most of the game. I thought Orlando Franklin looked like a road grading run blocker, which was good to see. What were your thoughts on him?
I mentioned above that he was adequate
he is slower right now than other players on the line, but that could improve with confidence and surety in his execution. I plan on grading him in depth after the preseason, give him the benefit of time accrual with the rest of his linemates.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
Its like Josh Mcdaniels never left!
I know its just the preseason and our offense is still gelling so im not going to panic yet but it looked like last season all over again on that first drive. Orton needs to learn how to keep a darn play alive! Kicking field goals every drive with our porous defense is not going to cut it! Never been impressed with this guy and probably never will but at least he doesnt throw many int’s. Either way staying optimistic at this point but as you can probably tell by the name im a Tebow guy….and i dont know if you noticed but he looked pretty darn good last night. Here’s hoping he beats out Neckbeard and takes the job by the season opener. If not we may in for another long year of nothing but Matt Prater my friends.
I agree that Tebow looked pretty good but you might want to reread Jeremy's points about that Goal-to-Go situation
Something to consider: Denver got to 1st & goal at the 1 on 5 straight runs for 36 yards. Then McGahee got stuffed, but bailed out by a defensive offside penalty. The fade route made sense as an attempt to switch it up on the defense. Denver next set up to run but called for 12 men in the huddle which moved the ball out to the 6.
See Jeremy’s descriptions on the incompletion to Fells on second down and the roll out on third down, then suggest what Orton could have done differently in those circumstance.
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by Brian Shrout on Aug 12, 2011 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions
As bonaire points out below
he could have forced a throw. It IS preseason after all, maybe take a chance and give a receiver a chance at a catch, but redzone throws are dangerous, and on one of them we were talking about max protect, 8 guys in coverage. I thought the flow play was smart, and a great call against the max protect, but I still didn’t see anyone open on the play. Elway used to throw to covered receivers, as did cutler, with mixed results.
CheifMojo made a good point, in that fans hate throwaways, and in the preseson they seem particularly pointless exercises. But those throwaways did not cost the team the game, nor would they have on the first drive in the regular season either. we are having a totally different discussion if those are the choices Orton is making in the 4th quarter and we are behind. As it is we can grade the decision, but that is about it….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
max coverage I meant...
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Tucking the ball down and plowing your way into the endzone isn’t smart to do in preseason either – which is what I found myself wanting Orton to do on one of those plays. I felt like Tebow would have run it in for the score, but he also probably would have gotten hurt on the play.
Also, if Orton took a shot on a dangerous pass, he’d be getting even more flak for throwing a pick in the redzone than for us settling for another field goal. When all is said and done, both Tebow and Orton failed to get into the endzone after having penalties called to set the offense back. Quinn’s the only one who delivered with a very nice pass in the red zone.
Great write-up, by the way. I agree with pretty much all of your conclusions, and I feel like you caught some things that I missed.
Orton did the right thing and true fans should appreciate this.
btw that fade was thrown pretty well.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice right up Jeremy.
I’ll get my first chance to watch the game on Saturday after I DVR it Friday night. I am looking forward doing some serious individual player performance breakdowns. Trying to decide on which Broncos to focus.
Ding Dong the lockout's dead
Great stuff. I was actually more impressed with McGahee then Moreno. I think Jeremiah Johnson needs to be the third back.
If we keep 4 RB's, today I have Moreno, McGahee, Ball, Johnson
LenDale White needs to show-up to prove tendions are fine
Very good read +1
Can’t wait tp watch it on real tv tonight.
Super nice to read about actual football!!!!
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truly FAB
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Kudos to both Jeremy and ElFoxXo
Nice analysis, Jeremy. Very helpful in getting a feel for how the parts are working. It will be interesting to see who improves and who regresses as the preseason unfolds.
Good job, ElFoxXo (using Oxmouth’s term for EFX). Good results after a patchwork offseason and late assembly of the parts. Shows good instruction and heightens expectations that former busts might regain their form to contribute to a satisfactory season.
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by OrangeandBluesBros on Aug 12, 2011 7:41 AM MDT reply actions
couple great Fox moments...
one was him talking with his defense on the sideline, I have no idea what he was saying but the body language of all involved really gave me confidence that he is telling these guys something that will help them be better defenders…. they just all looked so comfortable…
Secodn was after Tim’s crazy play, with all the penalties that got turned down, Fox has his hands on Tebows shoulders and is clearly calming him down and giving him a pep talk at the same time. Ended it with an Uncle Foxy head rub and a nephew Huey grin from Tebow. Looked like great rapport…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Fox doesn't browbeat, he teaches
That’s part of the little bit I saw. Great moment. Fox has great people skills. I don’t think we’ll see any more long losing streaks.
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I noticed this too. Fox is really growing on me.
I’ve always liked him.
It remains to be seen if he can shake his Marty Ball rep and trust his coordinators like he DIDN’T last year.
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks a bunch Jermey
Didn’t get the game up here in MT. Was really curious how some guys held up and you answered all my questions and more. This is why I love me some MHR!
by goosepitts on Aug 12, 2011 8:06 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Great recap Jeremy
I didn’t get to watch as I’m in SD so this was a great read to start my day! Thanks a bunch.
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Great Job Jeremy!!!
The visions of nate jones getting beat from last year still haunt me, and to see that it hasn’t been fixed is very scary right now!! The 2nd/3rd string defense reminded me a lot of how we played last year… not bad schemes just a step slow everywhere. Thought Tebow looked good but agree that he needs to trust his arm more and not get ‘spooked’ Anderson, McCarthy and B. Quinn all were positive!
by DurangoTebowFan on Aug 12, 2011 8:21 AM MDT reply actions
I forgot to mention how much I hate FIELD GOALS though. that seems to be Ortons MO… you get into scoring position and get 3 not 7
by DurangoTebowFan on Aug 12, 2011 8:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought McKarthy (sp?)
was a bright spot, Vaughn too.
Jones was a problem last year and nothing has changed…
Anderson kicked butt, i’m still waiting for one more received to step up and have a big game though.
could be Willis
he was solid, did what he needed to. Get him an endzone target over the next few weeks, and I’ll bet he becomes pretty popular…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions
I've already stated earlier that Willis is my personal favorite guy in TC this year.
I really liked what I saw from him last year and so far this year he’s still showing he has the goods. Now…stay away from injuries and you’ll make the team kid.
The guy is a burner man…you can’t coach speed.
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His catch on the long pass from Tebow
was absolutely beautiful.
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Janet Malcolm
was feeling him last year too.
we seriously have some good WRs
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Very good read and great objective detail. Thanks.
I think your critique of the QB’s, in particular Tebow, was spot on!! Tim needs to learn to go through all of his progressions. Inspite of some pretty good plays that were the result of successful first reads, his second read was always tuck and run. To me, playing QB is like a great Point Guard in basketball — you gotta see the whole field, go through the progressions as the game comes to you and respond accordingly. To me that’s why Quinn looked the best of the 3 QB’s last night. No panic, good reads, went through the progressions AND, like a great team player & pro, he looked to be advising/sharing, with Tebow in particular, on the sidelines. I thought, how can you NOT like this guy?
Quinn somehow looked like he had the most time in the pocket compared to Tebow, there was really not a time that Tebow had more than 1, 2 seconds before he had to make a decision.
by DurangoTebowFan on Aug 12, 2011 9:27 AM MDT up reply actions
But he can still make his progressions...
The problem with Tim is he sees pressure and bails. He needs to learn how to keep his progressions going by sliding and moving out of the way of pressure. Make the man miss and continue to look… he doesn’t do that.
Not wiht 1 0r 2 seconds he cant....most of the plays, even from a 3 step drop, wont develop with that little time...
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Great vision
Some people “see” the game differently than the average bear and it is obvious you are one such. A good many of your observations appear to come from a player/coach perspective, meaning I suspect you played the game and was considered an “on-field” coach. Great work and loved the read, thanks.
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What I saw
Moreno looks beastly. There was one play where the annoucer thought McGahee was running the ball, but it was actually Moreno. Which was a good thing becasue Moreno was carrying a bunch of defenders. Those two are going to rip apart the AFC west this year.
You forgot that Von Miller was playing some DE as well. I can see now that his first step is amazing. He slipped a little bit against Smith—-Cowboy annoucers call that “owning Miller”— but he was clearly past Smith and would have gotten the sack if he didn’t slip—maybe his too fast. Miller and Dumervil are going to do well togeather.
The d-line was awesome. You could see that the broncos first string was dominating the line of scrimmage(LOS). Which is a great sign bronco fans. You could nit pick at Jone’s long run, but that was just Mays wiffing on that play. Mays has to make that play. Yet that’s the kind of thing a good d-line will do. Mays had a clean shot on the RB, something LBs last year didn’t get. It’s the first preseasn game, but I was excited to see the linemen making the Linebacker’s job easier, which is what they’re suppose to do. Also looks like they got a nice rotation as well.
Best play by the defense: Brian Dawkins going through Jason Witten to force 4th down. That was awesome. That’s where Ray Lewis would have said, “this is a man’s game.” And that’s what Brian Dawkins bascially told Witten.
So in part: good running game, good defense, and Orton looked calm under the blitz. That bolds well for the broncos even if it is just the first preseason game.
However, McCoy needs to keep going with the run when it’s working. His not the only coach that does this and I don’t know why coaches do this at each level. It drives me crazy when I see it, but it just seems like coaches would rather make it more difficuilt then easy. Sure I’m not an o-cordinator, but you can’t tell me you guys wouldn’t just continue to run the ball at the one yard line instead of throwing a fade. When you got two RBs that are carrying guys for a couple of yards, you gotta keep running! I hope McCoy improves upon that once the season starts.
by tiderfootball09 on Aug 12, 2011 8:50 AM MDT reply actions 6 recs
I agree with you on that goal-goal situation mccoy needs to let the oline and rbs finish the drive. This is the preseason lets see if we can run when the defense knows we are going to run.
by RabidGoldFish on Aug 12, 2011 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
+1 tider
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 12, 2011 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
good stuff tider
and agree about rewarding the OL and RBs with a shot at the endzone….I honestly think that an actual gameplan would have insisted on it if we are talking about a team Denver can run on (and Dallas certainly looked like such a team)… No gameplan, and I think they were looking to see how certain formations and plays would work. Everything about the fade looked nice, just great coverage, so maybe they won’t plan on running it again this preseason.
also, i don’t know anything about the Cowboys corners, but maybe McCoy, Orton or Lloyd called the play wanting to pick on him…kind of doubt it, but in a real game, those moments do come along, and should be taken advantage of…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
pre-season. You have to see the whole package.
We’re running this year
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by Whidbey Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Great Review
I’m a Chiefs fan from Arrowhead Pride, but a football fan the most. Just wanted to say great breakdown of the game. One more question, one of my favorite players on your team is Eddie Royal, I hope he comes back strong.
He practiced the day before the game...
… so it doesn’t look like it.
Maya: "What are your first impressions of Denver?"
Mozgov: "I must break you..."
yup
they kept him and DJ out pretty much as a precaution.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you for sharing your notes here, JB
I agree with some comments and disagree with others… but overall I share most of your thoughts here.
My biggest positive surprise: Jeremiah Johnson
The most negative player (wasn’t a surprise for me): Nate Jones
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Thanks
Great post. The average fan can learn a ton from you!
Very nice
This is a great breakdown, excellent job. Even some nice details on the undrafted Brown out of my alma mater JMU!
I won't see the game until Saturday morning
on DVR, Styg, and I’ll be watching it with your analysis at hand. That way I’ll feel real smart, seeing things I’d otherwise miss. A lot of people made the same observation about Tebow not going through his progressions and taking off instead, something I addressed in a comment to another post. I’m hoping he improves significantly in this areas as the season goes on. A lot depends on coaching and Tim being able to go against his ingrained habits. The run D sounds like it’s made real progress, the opposite of what happened against Dallas in preseason at the dawn of the run contain experiment. Looking forward to more of the same, and more expert analyses. Thanks a bunch.
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Your spot on...
People point to the pressure Tim received, but failed to realize that doesn’t mean he has to stop going through his progressions. He needs to learn how to move and slide in the pocket. Pressure comes and you don’t just bail… you make the defender miss while still looking down field.
More times than not, there is always a counter to the pressure and it depends where the pressure came from.
Pressure comes up the middle, you work to slide away from the incoming defender. If it comes from the right or left, then likely look in the vacated defenders territory for a back or a wide receiver crossing. I know it is easier said than done, but a quality NFL QB learns these things. It is all a part of learning defenses and understanding your offense in general. John Elway was a master of all of this!
Bro, thats a great theory, and I agree, as a theory....
But thats not how it happened Thursday (judging by footage I saw). There was a complete breakdown on basically all plays, pockets collapsing and pressure from most sides….its just a pathetic O line and playing consistently behind that will exasperate Tebow’s problems, not help.
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Disagree...
I get the feeling you did not actually see the game, only a few highlighted plays? I just re-watched Tebow’s passing plays, and there were really only two where the blocking broke down quickly. One was the terrible pick that he threw while getting hit (called back on a PI call), and the other was JT’s whif block after a bad center/QB exchange with Tebow. He had a ton of time to throw on many other plays. The bomb had great blocking (very nice block by the RB there), and even the quick slant against the blitz was picked up pretty well. You just aren’t going to get much time to throw in third and long against a blitz, but it was no less time than Orton had when he faced the blitz with the first team.
Unfortunately, I also counted 4 plays where Tebow had great blocking, but took off running almost immediately. One bad one was 3rd and 5-6 yards, and he never gave the play a chance to develop. It was called back for an illegal shift, but Tebow never should have run as quickly as he did. He had great blocking on his two passes after Cox gave him that first and goal too, and he failed on both of those plays. One was a terrible sideline pass while he was rolling out (his achiles heel apparently), and the other one he was only facing a 3 man rush and still took off running right away on third and very long. Third and goal from 15+ yards out might not have a high conversion rate, but at least give the play a chance. There’s no way in hell you are going to run it in from there, and trying to do so in the preseason is just going to get somebody hurt (lucky for us, it was a Cowboy who got hurt on the play).
It is completely unfair to blame Tebow’s read progression on his o-line. He’s a young kid who hasn’t learned the position yet. He needs more time to develop, and this lockout killed his offseason development. He does some things well, and his run threat allows him to make up for some deficiencies in his throwing ability, but he needs better pocket awareness before he deserves to get the starting job. His stat line looked very good after the game… Unfortunately, I did not feel the same way about his actual performance.
by Tazzik on Aug 13, 2011 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent right up - thank you - Question though - how did the Fullbacks get on?
Did we run any FB formations? I’ve seen no reviews of our FBs at all from last night.
I’m interested to see if this Slyvester guy can push Larsen.
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 10:29 AM MDT reply actions
Sylvester, Larsen and Rosario
played in the 2 back sets that I saw. Julius Thomas might have been in there too. I would say they had mixed results.
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by KaptainKirk on Aug 12, 2011 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
didn't notice them
that can be good and bad. Typically, if the RBs are doing good, then so are the FBs, so i would say Larsen did well, sylvester not so much. the TEs are being used like wingbacks, so they show up blocking in the G/T gap, again, except for some bad block by thomas on the second string offense, didn’t really notice them much.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok thanks guys
What would Blackie Lawless do?
by British Bronco on Aug 12, 2011 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Larsen was in for the first play of the game at FB run blocking for Moreno...
I will be interested to see if they put Daniel Fells in on goal line situations.
Nice write up......
…..but when Orton was in the game, you put all of the blame on the receivers not getting open. No mention that Orton needs to learn to make plays.
You next critique the heck out of Tebow, which most of your thoughts I believe are correct. The one I would disagree with his your criticism of not hitting Willis in the numbers on third a long. You said exactly what the announcers said. But that sure seems like a tough critique. It was low but it wasn’t behind Willis, it was on his hip. Some blame goes to Willis on this throw as well as he could have went for the catch on the hip knowing he needed to keep his feet for a 1st down chance instead of sliding to secure the ball.
But I still don’t get the very gentle critique of Orton. I don’t think Orton did anything to hurt his 1st QB role, but let’s not put all the blame on the receivers not getting open and give him a complete free pass.
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no free pass
but we are only talking about 3 plays…for Tebow, the plays I mentioned highlighted issues that were cropping up repeatedly. The fade pass is simply a timing throw: throw to an area, give your guy a shot. That isn’t a bad on Orton or Lloyd, but good play by Dallas. The other two passes, being redzone passes, are dangerous throws to try to force the completion. Elway used to get a lot of credit in this area, but he had tools that we haven’t seen since, including an armcannon that could launch the ball into some pretty tight spaces. No one on our roster, and few in the league could be expected to take that chance regularly.
As far as head to head situations where Orton and Tebow might be compared, Tebow’s slip screen pass to anderson could be compared to a swing pass to Lloyd on the first play, where Tebow slipped the ball around the DE with a little sidearm touch, but Orton had his ball batted down by the DE… On the other hand, Tebow threw it lefthanded, so Orton didn’t have the same tool to make that adjustment with, unless he was throwing to his right (they both were throws to the left).
I didn’t single Orton out for analysis like I did for Brady and Tim because there weren’t a lot of examples, and they were better described by either situation or supporting cast. Substitute Royal for Davis on the back of the endzone and I might be talking about a tight throw that Orton tried to complete. Substitute Scheffler for Fells in the endzone and I might be grading Orton’s placement on a goalline toss. As it was, he didn’t target the receivers so I can’t really grade him.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Aug 12, 2011 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do we have to wait til August 30th til they cut Nate "does nothing well" Jones?
Blech. That is the official deadline to 75-man roster, but I would think Fox could trim some useless fat now so he can concentrate on teaching the one who might have a chance to stick, especially in this shortened off season. Anybody know what they plan to do?
That's one thing
every Bronco fan knows, Nate Jones is gone. Like I told my Cowboys’ fan co-worker, you guys won on a 2-point conversion because literally, Nate was standing there joking and goofing off. This is the NFL, get a clue tool
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by the new Bradfather on Aug 12, 2011 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Jeremy - great stuff as always.
Here in DC we had the Balt-Phi game last night instead, but I intend to watch it late tonight on NFLN. Lots of stuff to look for!
Great write-up as always Styg. Thanks.
I have 3 disagreements.
1) I think McCarthy had a really good game.
2) Unfortunatley you were to kind to Tebow.
3) You werent’ kind enough to Quin.
And I’m a huge Tebow fan.
by ThorpeBroncosfan on Aug 12, 2011 1:50 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks, Jeremy, for a great piece of work.
I am uneasy going into the season with the depth on the OL – probably echoing almost everyone. Hopefully there will be an addition or 2 there.
Love the return of the running game. And the run defense.
I agree with you BK, but like Jeremy pointed out, we won't need any of the depth players unless there is an injury (fingers crossed)...
One or 2 subs max might not be so bad, but if our entire OLine went down, we are toast.
It's amazing how many professional football analyst on here...
After reading your article Jeremy I feel disillusioned from the comments I read last night during and after the game. They don’t mirror this post in any way shape or form. This leaves me feeling like I have a bad tooth and just gargle with whiskey rather than going to the dentist. Thank God we have so many great football minds on here! Oh and btw, great read, great analysis and thank you very much for giving me ‘real’ sense of the matter than a truckload of BS I was fed last night…
Thanks Jeremy for your level headed assessment of our first game.
I saw some good things, but our team has a long way to go! With a defensive minded HC, I was disappointed with the finish. I don’t care if it’s our 5th string against theirs, our defense has to win that battle.
Awesome breakdown
It’s nice to see little to no dropoff between the 1st and 2nd string defensive line. I’ll take that every year. Now EFX just needs to grab a few quality veteran O-linemen from other teams’ preseason cuts and I’ll feel much better about our depth in the trenches.
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Im most excited about Knowshon, and Joe Mays.
by Sergio AppleSeed on Aug 12, 2011 11:36 PM MDT reply actions
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Couldn’t watch but thanks alot Jeremy because it sounds like progress. The cowboys used to think our linemen were fun to push around, I think that has changed and if it has our team is much better.

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