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Manny Must Go!

Last night's game provided few answers about this year's edition of the Denver Broncos. But, as the game progressed, one thing became clear: Backup center Manny Ramirez should have been cut before he showered. Fox should have asked him to strip down to his jock strap (hopefully, off camera) and turn in his playbook right there on the sideline.


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I've admitted elsewhere that I don't know how to grade offensive line talent. But it was plain to me that Manny Ramirez shouldn't be playing center. Several of his snaps disrupted the timing of plays, forcing Tim Tebow to adjust immediately. Another - and maybe this one came from Jeff Byers - literally rolled back to Brady Quinn.

The poor play of the second-string offensive line has been discussed elsewhere, so I won't belabor it here. However, having watched their ineptitude for the first time, I have to wonder how fair this quarterback competition truly is. I think most of us remember how lousy Houston's offensive line play was during David Carr's development. And how that translated into him having the happiest feet north of Antarctica. It ruined him.

I hope Tebow's reps behind the second-team offensive line don't stunt his growth.

A few other random thoughts:

Am I the only one who was disappointed with Von Miller's performance? Sure, he was always around the ball, but so was Hamza Abdullah back in the day. Didn't mean he could play safety worth squat. Several people have said they saw Von fast and flying. But I guess I was hoping he would make a play. Just one play. The truth is, I was hoping to see a few Romo sandwiches.

I'm not a fan of Knowshon Moreno. I thought he was overrated coming out of college. I thought we never should have drafted him. And until last night, my assessment seemed on point. But last night, he looked good. And so did McGahee. McGahee looked slow and plodding. But he did show good toughness and vision. Having said that, I was most impressed by Jeremiah Johnson.

We have a ton of depth at wideout. It's going to be tough to choose. Why is Decker so high on the depth chart? I haven't seen anything from him that makes me believe he's better than Matthew Willis.

I was hoping to be wowed by Julius Thomas, but wasn't. In his stellar game-one summary, Jeremy said that Julius Thomas had a hard time separating. I didn't notice that, but I'm not very observant of such things. But I believe Jeremy. I did see Thomas' missed blocks. Maybe my hopes were too high. Does anyone know where Antonio Gates was at this stage of his career? Could he separate? Could he block?

Finally, what's happened to Wesley Woodyard? During his rookie year, I thought he showed Pro Bowl potential. What happened to that guy? I swear he's regressed.

If you haven't had a chance to see the game, let me bottom-line it for you: We'll be better than last year. If you're hoping the Broncos land Andrew Luck, you need to start praying he blows out a knee or something.

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it was Miller's first professional series....

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by ktown on Aug 12, 2011 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

That's true.

I guess I just expected to be blown away and I wasn’t.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

The center play was atrocious

How many snaps did BQ and TT have to pick up off the turf?!

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by Robb Yeager on Aug 12, 2011 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

I didn't count...

…but it seemed like there were several missnaps. There was a high one to Tebow, while he was in shotgun, that screwed up the timing of the entire play. That was Manny.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Manny apparently had a really good block to spring Jeremiah Johnson on his touchdown run.

by tunesmith on Aug 12, 2011 1:20 PM MDT reply actions  

He didn't pressure the QB.

There were a lot of reasons to draft Von Miller. Many described him as the most complete player in the draft. But I think one of the main reasons we drafted him was for his pass rushing abilities. That’s what I was looking most forward to seeing. I was excited about seeing him drop into coverage. I wanted to see him speed rush. I wanted to see offensive lines struggle to cope with the threat represented by Miller and Doom.

But it didn’t happen. But as some people pointed out, it was only 10 plays.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

He actually did get past Smith when he played DE

It’s just that he slipped. If you watch that play, you see his first step is elite. Also you can tell his a good pass rusher by how well he controls his hips. His rip move was beauitful, he was low to the ground. It’s amazing how he has that much control of his hips. He’ll give lot of bigger OT’s fits just like Dumervil does.

by tiderfootball09 on Aug 12, 2011 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Take it easy pal

It was just the first preseason game. Many wont make the roster.

And about Miller, take it even easier as he played well while he was on the field.

I bleed Orange & Blue.

by Fabio Broncos on Aug 12, 2011 3:35 PM MDT reply actions  

btw... Many = Lots

Not talking about Manny Ramirez

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by Fabio Broncos on Aug 12, 2011 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, good.....

another set of opinions that are rather off center…..

by Gulbrand on Aug 12, 2011 4:47 PM MDT reply actions  

I thought Ramirez played much better at guard than center. It seemed like he had trouble getting ready to block after snapping, and I think maybe that causes him to rush snaps and sometimes mess them up. He moved to RG when Byers came in.

I was interested in watching the snaps since I’ve heard of a lot of bad snaps in camp. I don’t think Walton had a bad snap. I think the only snap that Ramirez messed up was that one to Tebow which took him a second to gather in. The one to Quinn you refer to was definitely Byers.

In regards to Miller, others have pointed out he didn’t play for very long…hard to fault him for not making a sack in a limited showing. I thought he played well.

As for Decker, him and Willis are both listed on the second team, so the depth chart doesn’t really say he’s better than Willis either. That being said, Decker has been doing great things in camp and got to play more last year. Not that Willis hasn’t looked good too. They are also two different types of receivers. I see us keeping both of them.

Julius Thomas is kind of a project. It’s going to take a while to get him adjusted to the NFL. The early returns are promising though—we’ve heard great things from camp and, as Jeremy Bolander pointed out he improved upon his mistakes through the game.

by poorboywilly on Aug 12, 2011 4:53 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess I wasn't referring to the depth chart literally.

But rather, isn’t Decker the first receiver coming off the bench and the starter in three-receiver sets? I think we’ll keep them both too. But I think Willis is better all around. And I’m not sure how much different they really are. I’d consider them both possession receivers – it’s just that Willis seems a little bit faster.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Decker 6-3 220, Willis 6-0 190. From what I’ve seen of the two Decker seems comfortable working all over the field and is an easy target to hit. Willis seems more like a big play threat, always ready to blow the top off the defense. Willis is possibly the fastest guy on the team.

by poorboywilly on Aug 12, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Manny hasn't looked very good in Camp either

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by KaptainKirk on Aug 12, 2011 4:53 PM MDT reply actions  

It's too early to make a statement

But imo he is one of those who will not make the roster…

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by Fabio Broncos on Aug 12, 2011 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

It doesn't take a second game to know that this guy can't play.

He wears the dreaded “out-of-football” moniker. That’s never a good sign. Unless you happen to be Kurt Warner.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

So dont need Nate Jones

But since we have 4 preseason games, let’s watch them once more…

I was seeing the 49ers vs. the saints, and the starting OL of the 49ers looked even worse than our 2nd string OL… So let’d just give them the preseason before we want their heads. And ok, I admit, imo Manny Ramirez cant make the team and Nate Jones cant even live in Denver!

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by Fabio Broncos on Aug 13, 2011 9:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

No doubt

Miller played one series, he is a rookie, and they had him dropping into coverage alot, give him a few full games.

Manny stinks, but unfortunately, none of our Centers are that great.

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by Broncoman on Aug 12, 2011 5:50 PM MDT reply actions  

I totally agee.

I’m not thrilled with any of centers.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

As bad as Ramirez was

Nate Jones should get the honor of MWP. Absolutely awful

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by Calikula on Aug 12, 2011 7:36 PM MDT reply actions  

MWP - I like that.

A lot of people are saying he stunk it up. Between him overcompensating in camp and last night’s game, he’ll probably end up with the Rams here soon.

Truth shall be known.

by Agent Jerry Fletcher on Aug 12, 2011 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im sure McD will convince Spags to give us a pick for it

at least, that’s what Im hopin for

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by Calikula on Aug 12, 2011 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

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