1 Play Breakdown: The crazy Tebow play from last night (you know the one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXjj8rIbQtU&feature=player_embedded
Deserves a breakdown. After the jump.
It's 3rd & Goal from the 14. Denver has 3 WRs and 1 back with Julius Thomas standing up to Tebow's right, with Britt Davis beyond him and on Tebow's far left, he has Matt Willis with David Anderson inside him in the slot. Lance Ball is on Tebow's left as Tim sets up in the shotgun.
At the snap, the line pushes Dallas' D-Line and rushers to the right, except for Clady who kicks his man outside and beyond the pocket. Momentairly this creates a perfect passing lane. Tim takes a short 2 step drop straight back and as he sees that (what I indentify as) his primary read, Thomas, has been double covered on a seam up the middle. Tim steps up while gaining speed with the ball at his left hip. He could throw from there (Anderson may have been able to make a catch in the back corner around then - but it would have been contested) but Tim may be better served to carry the ball a bit higher while he's in the pocket, even if he is scrambling. But that's picking nits. In the end, Tim leaves the pocket to his left with a full head of steam towards the sideline.
Tebow gets to the second level (beyond the LOS at this point by around 2 to 3 yard) quickly but finds himself walled off by the Dallas defense.
Then Tim is able to fend of a would be tackler (#26 Josh Thomas) with a great stiff-arm and then another great stiff arm to disengage from Thomas and simultanously pivots on the sideline leaving about an inch to work with. He then doubles back and finds a block from Herb Taylor and eventually Russ Hochstein as he looks upfield. Once he realizes that there is nobody directly in front of him (was he still looking for Thomas or Anderson?), he turns his head to the right slightly and sees Britt Davis coming towards him. Tim feels some pressure from the oncoming CB (#20 Alan Ball) and eventually tosses a soft, short pass over Ball to Davis that Davis catches and turns upfield, but that comes up short of the endzone.
And here are my reactions on the play (just my opinions, by the way):
The best part: Tebow is a beast. He's shockingly fast for a guy the exact same size as Dick Butkus (6'3", 245). He can throw with touch. And he has a killer stiff arm and with his legs, he can do EXACTLY what Ben Rothlisberger does with his legs (extend plays), but Tebow's much faster and elusive.
The worst part: If Tebow had better awareness he wouldn't have gone beyond the line of scrimmage. It's not like he was a foot or even a yard beyond it. He was 9 feet beyond it. In reality, Big Ben would have gotten beyond the Left Tackle and Right DE and turned his run towards the sideline at around the 15 yardline looking to pass (9:00) and at that time, he probably could have given Anderson a chance to make a play on ball.
Even worse than that, in my opinion though, is that it took him at least .75 seconds too long to get the ball to Davis and that he didn't recognize that the CB coming free at him as he ran back to the right was responsible for Davis and left the WR wide open.
Okay, lets pretend for a moment that Timmy didn't go beyond the LOS. Or that a few of the linemen had run upfield to block for his initial scamper and now were ineligible. Let's say that all was kosher up until the point when Tebow let go of the ball. It was still too late. Davis was wide open right around the 14:00 mark. The kind of wide open only Antonio Gates knows about. If Tebow throws the ball to Davis anywhere from the 14:75 to 15:75 mark and not 16:50 or so (when he did throw it), Davis easily scores a TD. And here's the thing. Tebow waited so long to throw the ball that he had to flutter it over Ball's (#20) head to get it to Davis. If he recognizes what's going on a tick earlier, he can get it to Davis when Davis can score BECAUSE he can rifle a pass to him before Ball gets between the two of them. That said, Davis ran way too far towards Tebow, so that certainly had something to do with it, but he probably kept running towards his young QB because Tebow wasn't noticing how open he was and when you have a QB scampering around back there, you're taught to come back to him and to give him a target.
To me, that, in short is why Tebow's not going to start, at least for now. Because even when he improvises and makes a great play with his feet, his recognition as a passer is still a tick late, just like when he is on a called 3, 5, or 7 step pocket drop with 2-5 progressions. Once Timmay can clean that part of his game up, he'll get the nod.
Said it last night and I'll say it again: Tebow doesn't have to be a better passer than Orton to win the starter job. But he has to be closer than he is today.
Here's to more crazy plays that make me stand up and shout at my TV.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
27 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
nice
Yeah, I think it really does all come down to recognition and anticipation for him. I rewatched last season’s final regular season game and saw it there, too – lots of passes that would have been really nice had they been half a tick sooner.
I don’t know about this historically though. Do quarterbacks normally tend to get a lot better in these regards? Or is this a mental processing thing where QB’s tend to be stuck with where they are?
No...Elway got oodles better over time in reading plays.
Part of that was probably the lame offense that he played in in his early years, but late he was just deadly and dissecting plays by making his reads.
Experience helps this a lot – you have to be used to your brain processing all the things going on in front of you before you can use it to read and predict what is going to happen. It is the biggest advantage Orton has on Tebow right now.
I definitely would say that some people won’t be able to progress in this regard because of how their brain works, but if you are playing QB at the NFL that shouldn’t be the case.
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
Elway Started as a Rookie, used the brain, gained the experience by doing it. You learn to read and predict by being in the heat of the moment
"There's only one person who carries the ball right here..."
Quit tryng to compare Tebow to Elway
There is no comparison
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk
We have compared every QB to Elway it will not end sorry thats the way it is brother you just mad that Tebow has the potential to be great or even great and Orton doesn’t even havea chance 2 even come close to the greatness of Elway
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
QBs do improve in this area
I.e. Michael Vick
When Tim Tebow pissses into the wind, the wind changes direction.
by Albuquerque on Aug 12, 2011 1:51 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Players get better with experience. Michael Vick was no different. He learned by doing it
"There's only one person who carries the ball right here..."
Vick didn't come into the NFL
needing to relearn everything he wasn’t taught.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk
Once again KK..not the point
The point is simply that experience is the best way to learn for the vast majority of people. What’s up with the contrarian position when people reference Tebow?
"as in football so in life"
"Look good, play good, play good, pay good, pay good, eat good, eat good, live good, live good, die good".........Primetime
It's not when they reference Tebow
It’s when they keep comparing him to players that don’t compare to him.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
My ship finally came in, but it was the Kobayashi Maru.
Follow me on Twitter @MHR_KaptainKirk
by KaptainKirk on Aug 13, 2011 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
He compares to mobile QB's....2 were mentioned...I think they are fair comparisons.
"I actually watched the World Cup. I HATE baseball. Hockey’s over. Hey, at least we have the WNBA. Oh, man. I’m making a noose. Want one?"
Harv Neptune.
Is it Free Agency yet? Wake me up when it starts!
You know who TT compares 2? Ryan Leaf
KK would agree with that comparison
No save ammunition all bullets in gun now- Bruce Campbell
Stand up straight a man looks more confident when he is erect- Taj
I don't always drink and drive, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis- BroncoPH
BRONCOS 4 LIFE
Great post and solid points
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
This play...
Is a poor play to pick to breakdown for the simple fact that everyone on the field was going “WTF?”. Everything that happened after Tebow took off is simply too unorthadox to apply football logic to. Tim’s hesitation on the pass could have very well have been because he knew in the back of his mind he crossed the LOS. That being said, it does show that he is not quite ready. It was crazy, and entertaining, but could have been a disaster on so many different levels. I loved the heart he showed and I think when he gets his head where it needs to be, he is going to be a force.
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Great because of the WTF factor
This is classic Tim Tebow from College. It totally illustrates many of the things he has to overcome before he is a true star in this league. Windows close much faster in the NFL than in College – every player on the field is a super athlete. Go back and listen to or read interviews from Elways team mates – when a play broke down they had set responsibilities, be it breaking off a route, throwing a block or covering Elway’s back side. Opposing defenses responded with their own game plans for Elway – which in turn opened up the conventional game just that much more. This play illustrates that Tebow’s athleticism, mobility and determination are great assets when used to compliment the game plan but have huge negatives if allowed to substitute for the game plan. My guess is that Tim learned more off of that one play than all of his other snaps combined.
What I like about...
That play was Fox went to him and got on him, but still gave him a smile and a pat on the back. I think it shows Lombardi was way off in his assessment that Tebow would fail in Denver. I feel they are trying to coach Tebow up and I think he will prove all the critics wrong in time. We all need to be patient, Tebow will get his chance when he is ready!
"You’re only great if you win something. I mean, Alexander wasn’t Alexander the Mediocre or Alexander the Average. He was Alexander the Great, and there’s a reason for it."-Shannon Sharpe
Reminded me of a sack Cutler took in one of his first regular season games
Can’t remember exactly which, but he also held on to the ball for too long, trying to make a play when it was lost. He ended up being sacked for some ridiculous yardage because of that. Rookie mistake. Fixable by coaching.
One thing struck me as odd about the penalties that were called. If you call a team for illegal forward pass you should not also be able to call them
for ineligible receiver down the field. It should not matter at that point if all the lineman were standing in the endzone it was an illegal forward pass. IMO.
Does it really matter to argue semantics at that point?
That play was chalk full of fail. Was it exciting, yeah…up until he passed the line of scrimmage which I noticed and said, “That was bone-headed.”
"Bombs dropping down overhead. Underground. It's instilled to want to live." -EV
a different viewpoint
If Tim Tebow keeps getting smacked on the busted plays, Broncos better have a good second string QB. Exciting play, maybe. An example of Tebow football, yes. Impressing the coaches, yes and no. His pass AFTER crossing the line reminded me of the Intramural Flag Football Championship (1967) and I was the QB. The regulation game was tied and each team had 4 downs to score or gain yardage. The other team went first. Result ZERO yards. Our team’s chance- first play I take the snap and rush for 1-2 yards BUT foolishly passed the ball to another teammate…5 yard penalty. We ended up losing the game as we ended up -1 yard. Bonehead play as a senior in HS just as I thought it was a bonehead play last night.
What I saw during the brief NFLN Live, I’m not too confident about Orton or Tebow and unsure about Quinn as well. Maybe VP Elway should have grabbed a QB last draft.
it was a pretty crazy play
and it was somewhat rediculous that he didnt know he had crossed the line. but what it did show is that tebow is a grown man! and he CAN do in the nfl what he did in college! I would love to see him running with the first team.
Anytime a head coach (Fox) put's their hands on your shoulders after a series like that, I can pretty well assume Tebow got his butt chewed out.
Sure wish I can lip read…Decision making will come with development and time on the field. Tim needs more time with the first team offense and that hasn’t happened yet on the playing field. The lockout sure didn’t help his progress either. Tim will get plenty of opportunities to show why he deserves or doesn’t to be an NFL starting quarterback.
Agree
Fox knew the cameras were on him. He probably was laughing but he did not think it was funny.
The beauty of MHR! We vent, argue, and proclaim greatness and smartness to our fellow bloggers. Thank goodness because nobody else is listening. -
good post.
i agree that it kind of nutshells the tebow quandry at the moment. frankly, as someone who wants to get this guy on the field and is ready for orton to game manage elsewhere, this play had me shaking my head. i don’t know if tebow was just trying too hard or what, but the LOS thing was absurd. i can’t recall a QB ever attempting a pass after being SO far past the line. the whole “event” seemed to last for days. i actually drank a beer, wept, called my dad, paid some bills, wept again and posted “NO!!!” three times on the game thread before the play ended. i was pleasantly surprised at the minimal number of penalties that were finally called.
all that said, tebow moves the ball upfield somehow—even when it’s not pretty, and i’m sticking by the kid. as others have copiously noted, this wasn’t the first young QB debacle ever. patience and repetition are required.
Tebow is going to be unique.
I don’t think there is or was anyone to compare him to. If he can master his unique style at the pro level he’s going to give defenses the fits.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!

by 






































